The latest Newspoll has Labor’s two-party lead unchanged on last fortnight at 53-47, from primary votes of Coalition 37% (up one), Labor 38% (up one), Greens 9% (down one) and One Nation 7% (down one). Despite the stability on voting intention, Malcolm Turnbull’s lead on preferred prime minister has been slashed from 40-33 to 37-35. The Australian’s report relates that Turnbull is down two points on approval to 32%, and Shorten is down one to 33%, but the only hint we get about disapproval is that Turnbull’s result is worse than Shorten’s. More on that shortly. (UPDATE: Turnbull’s disapproval is up three to 57%, Shorten’s is up two to 56%). The poll was conducted Thursday to Sunday from a sample of 1657.
Boerwar @ #295 Monday, March 5th, 2018 – 1:15 pm
If they had any sense they’d parachute Wong into the lower house and install her as leader.
How is this possible given Barnaby isn’t in the Liberal partyroom?
The anti green tirade here – seems like the peasants and workers of Batman are deluded and selfish for not embracing Gerardine as the labor appointed landlord for batman, the gall of these people.
Confessons
Maybe its part of the secret deal. Otherwise I would say fantasy about numbers of allies in the Liberal Party Room
‘Voice Endeavour says:
Monday, March 5, 2018 at 1:11 pm
So PB is back to simultaneously calling the Greens meaningless for not having the numbers to change any legislation (as true of Labor as it is of the Greens), too naive because they refuse to compromise, and too willing to compromise and negotiate with the Liberals (which Labor do more often than the Greens do).’
Why do the Greens insist on setting up strawmen? Trog was at it this morning and now VE is having a trot.
1. The Greens do not have the numbers to change legislation.
2. This is not as true of Labor as it is of the Greens because Labor has the numbers platform to form government after the next election. The Greens do not. Never have. Do not. Never will.
3. The Greens are not too naive to compromise. They abuse what little power they have for political advantage. Thus they gutted the ETS and they gutted the Malaysian Solution.
4. The Greens criticize Labor at a rate more than four times they criticize the Coalition.
5. When the Greens DO criticize the Coalition, 90% of the time they ALSO criticize Labor.
THEREFORE, the Greens are the handmaidens of Big Fossil and Big Money.
“Bonza says:
Monday, March 5, 2018 at 12:34 pm
Are we expecting anything interesting to happen if/when we get to 30 Newspolls with Turnbull behind?”
Hopefully this in the Liberal party room:
Fess
Barnaby could have threatened to withhold supply and confidence in the house given the tight numbers. Ie only agreed to work with certain members of the Liberal party as PM.
The basic electoral question will be “Should the Government be changed?” The G position will be…nah, not so much, the LNP is acceptable to us unless we can g-mail Labor. The Gs will campaign against Labor/for the LNP. Just watch. It is their staple gig.
Well, now we know why the DT ran such a sweeping anti-Joyce campaign. They had Turnbull’s back. Since then the Liberal dirt unit has leaked a flood of dirt about Joyce.
Jen
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Oh and I mean as a content creator not assuming you want the producer job
“Edwina StJohn says:
Monday, March 5, 2018 at 1:20 pm
The anti green tirade here – seems like the peasants and workers of Batman are deluded and selfish for not embracing Gerardine as the labor appointed landlord for batman, the gall of these people.”
A strong Liberal – Green alliance here.
PvO concluding with the obvious in The Oz;
‘The latest Newspoll is a disaster for the Coalition after a disastrous fortnight for the government.’
With Joyce threatening Mal’s hold of the precious, the leaker of the woman’s name regarding sexual harassment likely to be out of the PMOs office.
citizen
Either that or the view from outside of the Labor party supporter view.
It does not have to be an alliance for a person looking in from the outside.
Benson in today’s The Oz concludes with:
‘Anyone in government who thinks the CFMEU and Adani-related hits on Shorten are working, as valid as they may be, is drinking a special brew of Kool Aid. That Shorten has improved his stocks as preferred prime minister at a time when both leaders have suffered a fall in satisfaction levels should be a deeply troubling trend for Turnbull.’
@guytuar,
The Greens play a greater part for every action they take, that includes the Debt Ceiling that was lifted when Labor refused.
Labor playing a bigger role in blocking social welfare reforms.
Greens attacking Labor in Tasmania, and in Batman by election, when in Tasmania the LNP been in power.
The LNP were in power when they Okayed the Adani mine with Federal LNP support.
The LNP are in power for the mess of welfare but it doesn’t help when Greens attacking Labor and only focusing on single bit policies (like Adani Mine in Queensland or whatever it was in Tasmania).
Greens need to be pulled into line, and get rid of it’s lazy leader.
The only good thing for Turnbull in the personal ratings is that there is a largish percentage of undecideds.
It’s obvious that the Nats can pull the rug from under the libs at any time simply by threatening to blow up the coalition agreement. The Libs would in my opinion be prepared to kill Turnbull rather than split the agreement.
Mr Newbie @ #240 Monday, March 5th, 2018 – 12:09 pm
Fantastic!
What are the Greens going to do now?
Sack Di Natale and replace him with Sarah Hanson-Young?
Zoid
Not true about welfare as I have shown and as you cannot deny the facts of the votes in the Senate.
As for the rest. The Greens want to maximise their vote. They like Labor are a political party.
That doesn’t mean Labor and Greens are the enemy of progressive politics. That honour remains for those parties on the right.
Thats the reality like it or not
lizzie
Barnyard’s inner nasty used to pop through occasionally back in the Rudd/Gillard era. A few time I saw a reporter asked him a question he did not like and the jovial hayseed schtick vanished in a flash. Replaced with a snarly surly bastard .
But when it comes to “vicious” I’d put mu money on Truffles to win in that field.
Abbott: ‘Turnbull set the Newspoll test’
Tony Abbott says it was Malcolm Turnbull who set the test of 30 Newspoll failures in order to roll him as prime minister, and Mr Turnbull will have to explain why that test shouldn’t apply to him if he reaches 30 losses next month.
Mr Abbott said he had never made opinion polls the “be-all and the end-all”.
“I never turned the polls into the ultimate test of leadership. It was someone else who did that,” he said.
The former prime minister said Mr Turnbull’s plotting against him started well before Newspoll number 29 or 30 of Mr Abbott’s leadership.
“I think I said on your program a long time ago that Malcolm didn’t stay in the parliament to be someone else’s minister, and I think that’s the case, but look, it was the Prime Minister who set this test, and I guess if he fails this test it’ll be the Prime Minister who will have to explain why the test was right for one and not right for the other. It’ll be up to him to tell us all why the test doesn’t apply in his case,” Mr Abbott said.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/newspoll/abbott-turnbull-set-the-newspoll-test/news-story/ae1fd23db85821293449ba6c18886c09
“PvO concluding with the obvious in The Oz;
‘The latest Newspoll is a disaster for the Coalition after a disastrous fortnight for the government.’”
Katharine Murphy in the Guardian:
‘The latest Newspoll is a disaster for Labor after a disastrous fortnight for Labor.’
Ides of March not.logged in @ #305 Monday, March 5th, 2018 – 10:23 am
Yes good point. I forgot this is a govt hanging on by a thread in the House.
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I think hicks /stone Nexus with Russian emails wiki announcement – “ Russia if you can find the 35 thousand “ was endgame- they are all dead men walking – Watch trump try to avoid the hangman’s noose with a war- we must stop him –
The debt ceiling was pointless. If the parliament has already approved a budget which has spending exceeding income, why make it then go through the exercise of approving an increase in debt?
It was a complete waste of time.
Sohar
I agree with your post and it means I have to explain something I posted earlier.
I said that on twitter Murphy doesn’t block and does engage and listen to debate.
However on some basics she does not change her position which is why I agree with your post.
Sorry if this is unrelated to you and thanks for your patience if so. 🙂
guytaur says:
Monday, March 5, 2018 at 12:33 pm
imacca
Labor also needs to learn to have discipline in its rhetoric on the Greens.
I agree. I intend to be far more disciplined in my critique of G campaigning.
For two progressive parties to work together the hyperbolic rhetoric gets in the way. This is especially so at election times when it a Lab v Green by election.
There is only one progressive party in Australia and that is the ALP. The idea that the Gs are progressive is a mirage. They are alt-Tory.
Rebecca White needs to take a deep breath and reconsider her stance on pokies. It’s a career destroyer.
A policy calibration to $1 max bets might hurt the pride now but 6 months down the track that hurt will be gone.
AM
Exactly
The only reason it was of relevance to Labor is that Labor was actually sticking to the debt ceiling they created to their great credit.
The takeout should be that was when the LNP showed they were abandoning economic management in favour of ideology.
Sohar says:
Monday, March 5, 2018 at 1:34 pm
“PvO concluding with the obvious in The Oz;
‘The latest Newspoll is a disaster for the Coalition after a disastrous fortnight for the government.’”
Katharine Murphy in the Guardian:
‘The latest Newspoll is a disaster for Labor after a disastrous fortnight for Labor.’
Murphy, needless to say, is a G-Tory. She will campaign for the Tories.
Cheers Guytaur – unfortunately I have blocked linked-in after spam/email issues.
I’ll check it out if I can find a link that isn’t linked-in 😆
jen
That was why my apology in advance. I for same reasons avoid linked_in like the plague
@guytaur,
Rubbish,
Greens not c0ooperating with Labor.
As evidence by Green posters, batman by election, and Tasmania election (where Greens lost votes in their heartland).
Where did she say this?
Sohar
Source of Murphy? I think you’re ‘having a lend’.
Have Oscars going on in the background – I don’t usually seriously react to anything ESJ or Rex has to say as they deliberately bait for baiting’s sake but much as I love Albo, he is really only supporting actor material. Perhaps back in the 70s he would have been a good fit, but now the leader has to have a multi-level appeal.
Shorten is building himself into that and I think, down the track, someone like Jason Clare may be the type to take on the leadership (that’s no reflection on the women in ALP ranks – there are a number who might also qualify).
The Blue-Tories and the Alt-Tories will now set about trying to knock 3 points off Labor’s polling numbers.
The Blue-Tories have tried out a bit of racial vilification in order to undermine ON. They have tried a bit of slut-shaming in relation to Shorten. The alt-Tories will try out anything they can come up with…..Adani-phobics….any kind of alarmism will do…
Puffy
Bedford is going to win Florey easily. She’s up 57-43 against the Labor sacrificial lamb in Galaxy. X is campaigning with her and not running a candidate. All Snelling’s fault. That’s one definite seat loss to Labor.
Zoid
The bs is from you.
Greens vote fell because Labor took on the pokies. Their decision not the Greens. Any fallout from that is entirely the Labor party fault.
The Greens were already anti pokies.
I applaud Labor for doing that policy but in hindsight they should have campaigned on donations and an ICAC first. Then look at policies when in government on pokies. I say hindsight because I don’t live in Tasmania anymore and was not aware of how much that money would flow. Labor should have been though.
As for Batman. Of course its Greens v Labor. Both are trying to win a seat. They are the only game in town there.
In fact, the Guardian led with the ‘Turnbull satisfaction plummets’ line rather than ‘Newspoll no change’ line (although it wasnt murpharoo that wrote the article).
liz
Yes sohar is doing personal viewpoint of Murphy not quoting Murphy
Rex Douglas says:
Monday, March 5, 2018 at 1:38 pm
Rebecca White needs to take a deep breath and reconsider her stance on pokies. It’s a career destroyer.
I agree. She was sucked in by Alt-Tory elitism. Labor have to stay well away from G optics.
This from someone who wants shorten to be all love and mung beans to refugees. a bit rich….
guytaur says:
Monday, March 5, 2018 at 1:48 pm
As for Batman. Of course its Greens v Labor. Both are trying to win a seat.
It is Labor, who are the Opposition and the alternative Government in competition with the Alt-Tories, who are campaigning to make it more difficult for Labor to remove the LNP from office. The Blue tories have ceded their voter support to their siblings, the Alt-Tories of the Greens…
Briefly
Labor or Greens winning the seat takes zero votes away from the government.
I call BS
36500 attacks on Labor on the Greens website.
9690 attacks on the Coalition.
And of those 9690 hits on the Coalition the Greens threw Labor in for same-same balance.
#empiricalfacts
Fuck the Greens. If that’s how they want to do politics that’s fine. But Labor people can count. Labor will negotiate on individual bills as required with whoever they need to in order to get their program legislated, but their preference will be to avoid the Greens as much as possible. When there is no benefit other than another round of attack no sane operator would.
The Greens are free to do as they please. But the idea that after attacking Labor relentlessly the ALP will cozy up to the Greens is pure delusion. You get to choose how you behave. You don’t get to pretend that doesn’t have completely natural consequences.
Dio
Any chance Bedford would come back to Labor post election? Or at least be a Labor friendly indy?