The Sydney Morning Herald today has results from a ReachTEL poll for the Bennelong by-election, which credits John Alexander with a lead of 53-47 on respondent-allocated preferences – a swing to Labor of nearly 7%. The primary votes, after allocating a forced response follow-up from the (unusually small) 2.4% who initially professed themselves undecided, are 41.3% for John Alexander (down 9.1% on the election), 36.3% for Kristina Keneally (up 7.8%), 7.5% for the Greens (down 1.6%) and 14.9% for the rest. The poll was conducted on Tuesday from a sample of 819. This is the second ReachTEL poll of the campaign, the first being conducted a month ago and showing Alexander leading 54-46. The other two published polls, a Galaxy poll at the start of the campaign and Newspoll this week, both had it at 50-50. Multiple reports suggest party polling has been nearer to ReachTEL’s findings.
For all the background you could want, my Bennelong by-election guide is now updated and much expanded.
JM @ #947 Friday, December 15th, 2017 – 5:05 pm
Oh! Good shot! JM breaks service.
Sonar
Sorry to disappoint you but LNP will have the numbers to send Labor members of parliament to the high court
Jeff_Sparrow: To think these people were lecturing us on sexual morality
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2017/dec/15/child-sexual-abuse-royal-commission-delivers-final-report-live?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Hi Bludgers,
Fingers crossed for KK tomorrow although if she looses I wonder if she might get parachuted into Sam’s senate seat.?
My take on the confessional BS the Catholic church is throwing up as a reformed mick myself.
I think it is a red herring for them to claim these things are told in confession. Rule 1 from my childhood & going through all that BS was tell them nothing or make something up. Never tell them the truth in confession.
What was happening was that children & parents & teachers & nuns were telling the PP or Bishop of their concerns & they were blatantly turning a blind eye or moving the perpetrators around. When they finally got caught up with in the RC they hid behind the confessional lie.
I remember these philosophical questions being seriously discussed by some students in religious studies classes to the consternation of the Brothers. We were always assured that such perpetrators (always murderers were the example) would always be denied absolution in the confessional unless they went to the relevant authorities & handed themselves in.
Funny that just doesn’t happen to them though.
What a joke the whole practice is anyway. It’s sole purpose in the past was control. Control of the flock insomuch as the priest was the only one who knew everybody’s secrets & used that information to his advantage.
Really it is an evil cult trying to control the frightened & gullible.
Tax them out of existence.
Shock horror news.
Protesters against the Libs in Bennelong *linked* with the Labor party.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-15/protesters-who-ambushed-malcolm-turnbull-linked-to-vic-labor/9263578
I’m just hoping the Boerwar Bot (Ver 2.49) breaks it’s programming and turns into Kryten……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x6h96zs0Xc
A 2 day sleeper! Love it. 😀
Game set and match to John Alexander
sonar,
Don’t get too excited. Feeney is likely to face a by-election before parliament sits again.
I for one welcome the end of Feeney.
Thanks bakunin for being on my side
Wayne @ #955 Friday, December 15th, 2017 – 5:10 pm
Brilliant. So clever. Why didn’t I think of that. The Hat’s yours now Wayne, defo. High Fives.
Worst outcome for Labor if Feeney loses is two Greens on Crossbench.
Can still form a government long enough to go to general election.
No they will lose all five seats to LNP and they will be in opposition till 2030
I have just smashed a winner passed all of you and here is to a JA win tomorrow
Warner out.
rhwombat @ #949 Friday, December 15th, 2017 – 3:38 pm
The backhander always was my best shot. 🙂
Alexander Out
Oh no, Labor protestors from Victoria confront Turnbull.
How dare they.
Call the AFP to find out if they had visas for NSW although last time I looked I think free travel and trade between the States was guaranteed by the constitution.
And the protestors refused to answer questions from the ABC! Dunno why that is a problem, Turnbull has made it an art form.
I shakes my head.
Wayne, are we only hearing from you lately because the schools are now on holidays?
Here is to a JA win tomorrow
guytaur,
Greens were happy to support referring members on both sides of the chamber.
Don’t assume they’ll be equally happy supporting an attempted coup by the ALP.
Jack Aranda @ #968 Friday, December 15th, 2017 – 5:30 pm
The Boy stood on the burning deck,
A string of sausages ’round his neck…
rossmcg @ #967 Friday, December 15th, 2017 – 5:26 pm
Typical unruly Labor supporters abusing their right to protest about the best government in Australia’s history.
They should be in Communist China, and they’d see how far their protest would get them.
There are concerns the by-election is being influenced by community leaders !!!
“A network of influential community leaders targeting the Turnbull government ahead of the Bennelong byelection … (blah blah blah china)”
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bennelong-byelection-the-influential-network-targeting-the-turnbull-government-in-bennelong-20171215-h0581u.html
Dave,
Would Bus 288 Epping to Macquarie Park help?
All good! I have been allocated Eastwood Public School now. Even though the trains don ‘t stop there from the Central Coast on Saturday morning. Gladys’ new efficiencies. 🙁
Not to worry, I can get a train back to Eastwood from Epping.
bug1 @ #974 Friday, December 15th, 2017 – 5:40 pm
Here is for John Alexander win tomorrow and for LNP majority government again
Get down to East Denistone public after 12 and meet two lovely Jewish princesses from Gilmore handing out for KK.
Wayne says:
Friday, December 15, 2017 at 5:48 pm
Here is for John Alexander win tomorrow and for LNP majority government again
I’ll drink to that!
(I’ll need one or two if it comes about……)
Wayne
JA will send KK flying and do equally as well as he did getting Grand Slams.
Mr. Kerr
I was most definitely not siding with you.
I’ve been ignoring your posts as mindless trolling.
bug1 @ #974 Friday, December 15th, 2017 – 5:40 pm
Written by Alex Joske, half Chinese, ex (short stint) editor of Woronki from which he resigned beset by disillusionment, ANU student of affairs CCP, and held in admiration by Andrew Bolt.
https://www.crikey.com.au/2017/04/03/woroni-editor-alex-joske-quits-finds-allies-in-andrew-bolt-and-the-australian/
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/ideology-ousts-news-editor-at-anu-paper/news-story/a4b66914ef30e963d5954c0cc415d609
Catholic Church has already ruled out celibacy or reporting child abuse from the confessional. It’s up to the governments to respond. I gather it’s a state issue and I think Victoria would be the only one that would even consider forcing the issue.
Bakunin you were siding with me so stop lying and your an a LNP supporter with me and want JA to win tomorrow
Diogenes The royal commission – interesting that a Jesuit bishop is claiming not confessional privilege but legal privilege over whether or not he had advice as to child molestation occurring to defend himself on the grounds of accessorial liability.
What a sad day when the Church has to rely on legal casuistry of this type to defend itself.
And apparently also now reported to be taking an Alan bond type defence.
Suffer the little children.
Newsflash sky news say that JA will win big tomorrow night and Malcom Turnbull will be safe in his job
victoria @ #893 Friday, December 15th, 2017 – 1:29 pm
Hope Hicks perhaps?
Sadly Wayne, Keneally has to be favourite to win, everything has broken in her favour.
Where she to lose it could only be because the good people of Bennelong just couldn’t stomach the idea of Bill Shorten.
Diogenes @ #983 Friday, December 15th, 2017 – 1:58 pm
That’s where the COAG os going to be so important in coming up with a national response which is then implemented by the States.
Diogenes @ #983 Friday, December 15th, 2017 – 5:58 pm
Dio, apparently there is room to move on celibacy, but not the confessional.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/vatican-should-be-asked-to-make-celibacy-optional-childsex-abuse-commission-20171215-h05g97.html
(There’s a good pie chart in that link of institutions and abuse rates, if someone could convert to jpeg and post, it’s interesting)
I believe I have found the actual training room where young Libs are trained in the art of internet trolling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y
ESJ
My understanding is there is no legal privilege for the confessional, much the same as for doctors and journalists. Doctors in fact have mandatory reporting so we are legally obliged to report child abuse, as are social workers, teachers, police etc. The RC suggested mandatory reporting for priests which would require a change to the law.
Someone on The Drum (sorry, wasn’t concentrating) has explained that perpetrators rarely if ever confess to child abuse, so the ‘confessional seal’ (sic) is irrelevant. If a child ‘confesses’ to a priest, it is not his ‘sin’ and the priest is at fault for not following it up.
Ides…..I hope this is the right one……
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Diogenes
I think we’re on the same tram.
Sonar
Not sure why you are responding to me. Ive not said much on the RC today.