Newspoll breaks out of its long-established 53-47 to 54-46 rut by recording Labor with a two-party lead of 55-45, compared with 54-46 a fortnight ago. On the primary vote, Labor is up one to 38%, the Coalition down one to 34%, One Nation is up one to 10% and the Greens are down one to 9%. Malcolm Turnbull suffers a body blow on personal ratings, down two on approval to 29% and one on disapproval to 58%, and his lead on preferred prime minister all but disappears, now at 36-34 compared with 41-33 last time. Bill Shorten is up two on approval to 34% and down three on disapproval to 53%. The poll was conducted Thursday to Sunday from a sample of 1625. Full report from The Australian.
UPDATE: The poll also finds Julie Bishop clearly favoured over Malcolm Turnbull to lead the Liberal Party, by 40% to 27%. Peter Dutton on 11%, being most favoured by One Nation voters on 24%.
Jen
You might get your wish if Bernadi knows because he may have a new member in Anning
Cory gunning for Pauline?
guytaur @ #316 Monday, November 13th, 2017 – 11:02 am
Bernadi’s time in the States was well spent, and we (incl LGBQTI et al, and incl people in socks and sandals for whom citizenship should be revoked and they be sent back to Brighton) coughed up the bill. He’s a smooth operator, playing a quiet hand so far. His first campaign be interesting.
Steve777 says:
Monday, November 13, 2017 at 11:33 am
PREDICTION: Mathias Cormann Prime Minister by close of business 24th December [2017].
Interesting. He’ll have 3 months to find a seat in the Reps (like Senator John Gorton).
There are a few seats in WA where he’d be safe – Curtin, O’Connor, Moore and Tangney. Maybe, just maybe, Durack is possible too. I can hardly see any sitting member resigning to accomodate him.
https://mobile.twitter.com/4corners/status/929808543644975104/video/1
FMD, don’t know if I can watch that lot.
You gotta laugh
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One Nation began this parliament with four seats in the Senate – two have been disqualified and a replacement has now quit.
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I can’t remember who the Qld poster was who was concerned yesterday that PHON wouldn’t implode before the Qld state election but I bet they’ve got a grin on their face now.
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PHON as a party is as dysfunctional as its leader is as an individual!
While hilarious about Anning and PHON, I still don’t agree with the ability of senators to defect from the party that got them elected in the first place, similar case with Bernadi.
In the Reps it is fine, the individual is beholden to their constituency and were voted in as an individual.
A senator is rarely elected on below the line votes.
It does not respect the intentions of voters.
Zeh
It’s all a bit suss, isn’t it.
Ah, One Nation really does pick its candidates well, doesn’t it.
@ Zeh – what would a defection ban even mean?
It would have to entail a ban on crossing the floor as well
Yes Lizzie,
When not elected below the line, the seat in the senate should be owned by the party, not the individual. A senator defecting should trigger another count-back (In most this would result in them losing the seat)
I’d be interested to know what others think, because this to me is the most broken aspect of the senate.
Briefly
Maybe my local member Ben Morton (Tangney) could take one for the team and swap with Cormann.
He has been pretty invisible since he replaced the odious Jensen and the one time I did see him speak in the Parliament I was less than impressed, given he is somebody touted as a future senior man.
In reality I would think Cormann would prefer to be in the Senate, a place once described by Nick Minchin as the place where real power lies. And Minchin certainly wielded a lot of power.
There is no actual requirement that the PM be in the House of Reps, and certainly no time limit on when a move would need to happen by (beyond the fact that once they decide to move they would have to resign and be re-elected within that 3 months)…
Hanson’s press release on Anning defecting (or defecating whichever you prefer) re One Nation is dated 13 November 2016.
Is she prescient or really does not know what day it is as so many say.
There is nothing in the Constitution that says that senators have to be members of a party or to remain a member of a party.
jenauthor:
Monday, November 13, 2017 at 11:32 am
Most of them did last time One Nation got lots of MPs elected on Queensland.
I imagine Bernardi is banking on One Nation inevitably imploding soon after the QLD election, and will then swoop in to pick up the scraps.
Meanwhile
If what Fraser Anning has suggested is true, that is, that Pauline Hanson prevailed upon him to stand down from the Senate and let Malcolm Roberts waltz back in on the back of the Casual Vacancy, doesn’t that make Roberts’ candidacy in Logan just a stunt all along?
Though now he has to own it as the Local Member for Logan and no more national stage, should he win.
*Insert chuckling emoji here*
VE,
Yes you raise a valid point, and in the end, the absurdity of the senate and the broken-ness of some aspects probably leads to a more accurate reflection of the general public.
I’m not sure if there’s a solution without either enforcing the party ownership of seats, or entirely removing the concept of ‘parties’ from the senate process completely, and have some other method for endorsement?
Guytaur should see my posts of last night.
I predicted their course of action last night.
They’ll go through contortions to prevent a SSM bill passing under this govt. Including self destruction.
@ Zeh – senator would simply ‘not’ defect, they would just cross the floor on every single vote and not turn up to party meetings.
Then what, the party kicks them out?
Who gets the seat then?
If the Senator, then they have successfully defected and avoided your ban.
If the party, then all senators have instantly lost the ability to ever cross the floor, as their party could take their seat. There then don’t even need to be 76 senators. Simply make 1 Labor senator with 30 votes or whatever.
briefly @ #352 Monday, November 13th, 2017 – 8:44 am
Then its lucky for Corman that the Member for Forrest has come to the attention of s.44 isn’t it?
I wonder if Cory Bernardi is an Italian Citizen by Descent? 🙂
Cory Bernardi is a citizen of Cory Bernadi, and thus should be referred to the HC.
http://insidestory.org.au/how-to-avoid-a-violent-end-to-the-manus-island-stand-off/
Bernardi* (bugger, edit button is gone)
Is the porn shop owner still in the running? 😛
Now THAT’S patiently waiting his turn.
David Marr crystal clear as to what is going on
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/nov/13/hanging-on-for-dear-life-hardliners-change-tack-on-same-sex-marriage?CMP=share_btn_tw
Bernardi is a citizen of Lizard Nation.
Speaking of QLD, seat poll of South Brisbane released shows Jackie Trad (lab) losing to the Greens (51-49)
Cory’s dad was born in Italy. His wife is Irish.
We can but hope.
“cybernetic organism. Living tissue over a metal endoskeleton.”
Cyborgs are infinitely patiant
Does Mr Bernardi get Irish citizenship/right of abode through his Irish wife?
I wonder if Cory Bernardi is an Italian Citizen by Descent?
I’m sure he would love to be.
Some of his photos are styled on busts of Roman senators such as Sulla.
The Sulla one is funny, given stories over his homosexuality and staunch defense of the Republic, though he did revive the dictatorship to protect the morals of Roman society.
BroedeCarmody: ABC staff are suffering “dangerous” levels of workplace stress, according to the CPSU theage.com.au/entertainment/… @theage
https://twitter.com/broedecarmody/status/929880560784121856
Zeh @ #376 Monday, November 13th, 2017 – 12:07 pm
You can “quote” your own post and edit that.
I am not sure that is what William regards as a good idea, but in the meanwhile, why not ❓
PREDICTION: Mathias Cormann Prime Minister by close of business 24th December 12017.
Bushfire Bill
Now THAT’S patiently waiting his turn.
“cybernetic organism. Living tissue over a metal endoskeleton.”
Cyborgs are infinitely patiant
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He could be teleported rather than parachuted into a safe seat!
C@tmomma @ #373 Monday, November 13th, 2017 – 12:03 pm
Certainly not by decent
Ha de hah hah.
So good to be relatively pain free, I’m almost euphoric.
😵😵😵
Please let the entitled rabble be removed soon so a Labor government can get on with the reconstruction of our country asap.
BK
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PREDICTION: Turnbull will hang on until the political gods suddenly decide to have a bit of fun with the other side, as inevitably happens. There’s a snap election and the government scrapes home, as happens more often than not.
Still, it’s very enjoyable watching the current meltdowns over dual citizenship, marriage equality and One Nation – not to mention Roy Moore in Alabama.
Kim Carr is tearing Brandis and Fifeld a new one
Sad as I am to say this, I doubt the Australian electorate will endorse Cormann as PM. As a senator, he is put top of ticket by his party and Lib electors get him whether they want him or not. Voting him into the lower house is a different matter.
His accent will be off-putting to many regardless of his competence (I don’t say that lightly – I know the ramifications of such a statement but the level of bias/bigotry/racism/‘accentism’ in this country is such that I reckon he would crash and burn).
Ideally, our country should not regard an accent as important but we will because he is, at times, difficult to understand.
I also do not think he will want the poisoned chalice if he is as ambitious as many say he is.
Do the Libs really believe that people will think anything other than they’ve surrendered to Labor on the citizenship issue?
Grimace….Forrest is vulnerable to Labor….will be more so in a few years….
I think the swap in Tangney suggested by rossm might work better…geez, they are desperate if they think Cormann might be a solution….quest for “safe hands”….
ABC News24
J.Bishop “The Government has a plan.”