Essential Research closes its account for 2016 with another finding of 53-47 in favour of Labor, with both major parties steady on 37%, the Greens and One Nation both up a point to 10% and 8%, and the Nick Xenophon Team steady on 3%. The other findings record a view that 2016 was a bad year for pretty much everything, most remarkably in the case of “Australian politics” (good by 6%, bad by 62%) and “the planet” (good by 12%, bad by 44%), with a follow-up on expectations for 2017 producing much the same results. The current state of the economy was rated good by 23% and bad by 36%, with 26% rating it headed in the right direction against 45% for the wrong direction. Thirteen per cent expect their job to be more secure in two years, versus 30% for less secure. A question on whether Malcolm Turnbull understands various issues confirms, in a roundabout kind of way, that he’s more understanding of the rich than the poor.
Essential Research: 53-47 to Labor
A stable result on voting intention in the last Essential Research poll for the year, which finds respondents taking a dim view of 2016 in general.
briefly @ #50 Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 10:08 am
I suspect Socrates is influenced by exposure to the SDA in South Australia where it appears to be uniquely toxic.
Doyley
Concur with your sentiments.
All the very best to William and Bludgers for the holiday season, and special thanks to BK!
Xx
And the suspects are?
I am curious to know Socrates thoughts on this but it seems to me the State Govt is making a mistake in not building a South Yarra station so that passengers can switch between lines. Surely it adds greatly to the system as a whole to have as many interchange points as possible?
DTT @8:05 AM: “Now Bernadi is an extreme right winger but he IS NOT stupid, nor does he seem personally corrupt. He may evolve into the less fruit cakey extreme RW party replacing PHON and probably the Nationals. we live in interesting times.”
My thoughts too. Bernardi is on the far right, but he comes across as calm and sensible, as distinct from some of the wackier, more ‘colourful’ figures who occupy a similar political space. That’s what makes him dangerous. He would have the support of much of the Liberal base, most of the right wing media megaphones and a large chunk of the Parliamentary Liberals. Maybe he can get the Nationals on board, Familiy First and some of the saner elements of One Nation and other far right groups.
We shall see. I think it most likely that the Liberals would just shift further to the right to accomate his supporters, as Howard did with One Nation, but maybe (hopefully) the Liberals will split. It will be interesting to see.
steve777 @ #55 Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 10:27 am
I always appreciate your level headed comments Steve and this is yet another.
That’s not to say I always agree 100% but you always express yourself in sensible terms and in this case I do agree 100%.
steve777 @ #55 Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 10:27 am
Calm, yes, but sensible, what planet are you on?
I don’t see Bernardi trying to court members of PHON, Culleton, and the rest of the relatively unstable RWNJ groups. For one thing they seem not to claim “Christian” values and for another they seem to be wracked with internal dissent. On the other hand, Bernardi already has a working relationship with FF (using their facilities in Adelaide) and they share his “Christian” values. Bernardi could certainly go after members of the Nationals, like Christensen, who seem to share his outlook on politics.
In the main, I think Bernardi would mostly pick up support outside the big cities and perhaps on the urban fringes where a lot of the happy clappers seem to be located. Were Bernardi to actually create his Conservative Party, the biggest losers would probably be the Nationals. FF would probably be happy to align with Bernardi and the Hansonites would still appeal to the atheists who nevertheless hate the “establishment” and are fearful of Muslims.
Whatever transpires, it’s not a pleasant prospect for Turnbull.
correction Jen…its delusions of adequacy. 🙂
Bemused – thank you.
Barney – when I say that Bernardi comes across as ‘sensible’, it does not mean that I think what he says is ‘sensible’ or that I agree with him. Bernardi is ‘sensible’ to those who share his values and would be lauded by like-minded people, for example the radio 2GB audiencee (right wing Sydney talk radio) and much of the readership of Murdoch rags. And it is a matter of values rather than ‘sense’ or intelligence.
Bernardi may be smart and come across ‘well’ but surely intelligence involves a degree of open minded -ness? So clever – in the sense of tricky – maybe.
steve777 @ #60 Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 11:02 am
Yep! It’s like a certain type of person liking the way Trump came across.
Absolutely. the Climate Denialist / Bolt is wunderfull crew who consider Malcolm Roberts is sane and Abbott would have won the last election in a canter will love him. My take is it will split the RW vote, but the Libs will get much (but not quite all) back in preferences. I reckon some of the voters Bernardi will appeal to will just let their vote exhaust in the Senate.
A very tangled web, setup to deceive. Best advice: keep well away, Australia.
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-21/adani-corporate-web-spreads-to-tax-havens/8135700
Morning all. Thanks BK, gotta say your dawn patrol is way better than the Worm. 🙂
steve777 @ #60 Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 11:02 am
Using that definition you would say Malcolm Roberts and most RWNJs are sensible.
This shouldn’t be a problem. Malcolm can always contact Adani via their mutual location of funds in the Cayman Islands.
https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/was-gst-disparity-to-remain-ng-b88334212z
Turnbull just can’t take a trick. Everything he puts his hands on turns to shite.
Fascinating!; Hillary knew better so she ignored the Bernie team. The rest is history.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/12/20/team-bernie-hillary-fucking-ignored-us-in-swing-states.html
barney in saigon @ #66 Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 11:18 am
They seem that way to their supporters and those susceptible to their message.
Do not confuse this with objective standards of rationality.
It’s his super power confessions
This is baaaad news.
http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/centrelink-boss-offers-personal-email/8136138
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-21/virtual-reality-game-helps-people-with-dementia/8137616
bemused @ #71 Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 11:26 am
I’m not, it’s more a frustration of the failure, so far, of the left to to blow away their “arguments” and the general unwillingness of most of the media to expose their bullshit and instead give it the air to grow.
An interesting suggestion in the lead-up to the WA election.
https://thewest.com.au/opinion/paul-murray/hanson-strife-will-taint-was-election-ng-b88334980z
Here’s an article that DTT might be interested in:
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/12/outbreaks-trump-disease-epidemic-ebola/511127/
Happy Christmas to William and pollbludgers
Flying to Sydney today to terrorise the family!!
Was going to post a Christmas git but not sure on policy re same,or even if it would print on crikey
All have a happy time please
What I find disappointing on a political blog is the incapacity of many here to distinguish between THEIR views and the sanity or rationality of others. It is group think totalitarian central, Agree with me or you must be mad, troll, deluded etc.
Let us take Bernadi as an example. Now I disagree violently with just about EVERYTHING he believes and stand for. I would be surprised if we even shared 2% of issues we agreed on. I would fight every inch ofn the way to stop his party of religious right having control of government.
However the fact that I do not agree with his views does NOT mean I think he is stupid or that he is nuts or that he is immoral. He has a right to different views and I have every right to oppose them. This is what we call democracy and free speech.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/20/newsweek-kurt-eichenwald-twitter-epilepsy-seizure?CMP=soc_568
Daretotread
Name-calling obviates the need for logical thought. It is especially popular amongst the more illiterate people on social media. I wouldn’t say the majority of posters follow that habit, however.
Absolutely. That doesn’t mean he is NOT a idiot nutbagger though. And he’s a nasty bastard who is part of the whole Liberal thing of playing on any kind of fear and loathing available to stay in power while fwarking up or ignoring the whole governance thing he’s actually employed to do.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/supreme-court-declares-detention-of-children-in-adult-jails-illegal-20161220-gtfibg.html
TPOF
Yes interesting article, although a little confused ie just what is it saying. There are many themes of course.
Would or could Trump use an epidemic to enforce fascist like controls. Yes he probably would. So would most others but they would think and worry about it first.
The horrifying reality is that if there really were a deadly and highly contagious epidemic, especially one that is airborne, Quarantine and a very harsh quarantine is the ONLY way to go. Obviously the response depends on the characteristics of the organism – especially survival time outside the host and the incubation period before the disease is infectious. If for example you have a bug that is:
1 – very short incubation time so it is infectious within say 3 days
2. Is highly contagious in that just a few organisms can trigger illness OR is present in huge volumes in infected patients such that brief contact will still expose people to large numbers of infectious agents AND it
3. is airborne such that routine barriers such as gloves and clothes do not work
4. Can live for say 24 hrs in air conditioning systems orn moist environments
5. has a very high mortality
Then you have the worst possible scenario. Total quarantine would be the only hope of preventing rapid spread. Every office, school and shop would need to close. Total curfew with food delivery by the government would be essential.
Centrelink once sent me a letter demanding to know why I hadn’t declared certain income….I pointed out that I hadn’t actually been on benefits at the time!
Zoomster
I think the whole of the present mess is the fault of whoever set up the program to “catch welfare cheats”.
dtt
‘ He has a right to different views and I have every right to oppose them. This is what we call democracy and free speech.’
He doesn’t have a right to ignore or misrepresent the facts, and no amount of crying ‘free speech’ (which, like all priviledges, carries responsibilities) gives him that.
Lizzie
I am always sceptical of claims that corporate tax cuts will result in any growth at all if they require taking benefits away from the poor and middle class consumers. Less money in circulation and the exact opposite of a stimulus.
It would be very interesting to have more detail on the assumptions in the treasury modeling.
James Comey shakes his dick at US democracy.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/the-subpoena-that-rocked-the-election-is-legal-garbage-attorney-say_us_58597cd9e4b03904470b0633
zoomster
Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 12:47 pm
Lies and distortion is NOT Free Speech.
No one has the right to have stupidity treated as reason.
If you believe the world is flat you’re an idiot.
Of course there are limits to knowledge. We don’t KNOW human activity is driving climate change. But if you can’t acknowledge that it by far the most likely explanation then you’re an idiot.
There are domains where reasonable and rational debate can occur, and there are domains where it cannot unless you are bringing some pretty excellent new data to the table. And no the dribbling of nutjobs on a website doesn’t qualify as excellent new data.
Everyone might be entitled to their own opinion, but that doesn’t make opinions that are complete nonsense worth anything more than evidence that those who hold them are idiots.
Regarding Benardi
He has the right to free speech.
He has the right to put his different point of view.
But he does not have the right to fabricate evidence to support his views nor the right to misrepresent the evidence of contra views.
Having said that, of all the RWNJs he is one of the few who can certainly present himself plausibly and coherently.
Unlike Cullerton and Roberts who both talk manifest nonsense from the moment they open their mouths, palpable nonsense which pervades their every sentence, Benardi can usually carry on a conversation, speech or interview in a “sensible” manner.
One has to look a bit deeper to the underlying evidence or assumptions or values or logic to recognise the nonsense components of the views he is putting.
And looking a bit deeper is beyond the desires and/or capabilities of many punters to do so.
Cullerton’s case is not unclear at all (unless a new precedent is set). If he is found ineligible to run it goes to a recount, if he was eligible to run but disqualified after (eg by bankruptcy) then it is a casual vacancy effectively filled by One Nation (the idea the WA government would defy the explicit right of political parties to designate replacements on a technicality is nuts. Especially for a government facing a very risky election.)
I think its important to distinguish between the dignity of the individual and the rationality of that person’s views. Bernardi is entitled to respect and dignity, even if he is mentally deficient and deluded. I have the same attitude to meat eaters. They are entitled to dignity and respect even if they are barbaric towards other creatures.
psyclaw
The problem with that line of reasoning is that it assumes that you know the facts and everyone else is wrong. That is just group think talking. MOST scientific and cultural discoveries/advances happen because some “idiot” denied current wisdom.
There are thousands of examples where current wisdom encourages exactly the wrong sort of practice – just casting my mind about quickly for examples – think treatment of burns, snake bites, lying babies on tummies not side, ulcer treatments.
Bernardi, Dutton and the rest are responding to the ON vote-split. ON is shearing support away from the LNP. If this persists, the effect is likely to be enough to keep the LNP out of office. The problem they have is that every time they appeal to ON-antihero voters, they discredit themselves with Lib-leaning moderates.
The Right inside the LNP will have to learn to ignore the ON split, in the same way that Labor have had to learn to ignore the Gs. Every time the right try to reach across to the pop-wing, they validate the tactics of the pops. The LNP can only lose by doing this.
Nevertheless, some in the LNP will figure they can make personal mileage out of this. They should be encouraged in this belief. The more they do to break up the LNP vote, the better as far as I’m concerned. If Bernardi goes through with his plans to create another schism in the SA Lib constituency, they will end up losing even more seats, both to NXT and to Labor. They will be reduced to being little more than a rump in the Federal landscape. This is much to be hoped for.
The so-called conservatives are in fact not at all conservative, in the sense they wish to bring down and remake the social, cultural, political and economic order.
This will almost certainly end badly for them.
dtt
And if Bernardi was presenting a well argued, researched case backed by evidence then your argument would hold merit.
Coming up with a different theory (as the result of research) which is not accepted by the mainstream is entirely different to deliberately ignoring or distorting other people’s , which is what climate change deniers such as Bernardi do.
DTT
I don’t think the article was saying that. I think the article was saying that his response would be to go immediately to this small palette of mechanisms because that is all he thinks of. And his refusal to be briefed on complex matters means that his response could be totally inappropriate or even make things much worse.
The essence of the article as I saw it is that there is a regular risk of a pandemic disease breaking out and a real risk of a critically serious spread of that disease if experienced and knowledgeable evidence based responses are not developed and implemented by a machinery that has the knowledge and skill base to do so. We don’t have any idea of what Trump would do other than his past conduct – and that is all show and emotion, but no substance and science.
The problem is not that he would use the threat of a pandemic to introduce dictatorial laws (not fascistic – that is different) it is that his only idea to combat a threatened pandemic would be to use a small set of viscerally driven dictatorial laws that have no logical rationale for dealing with the actual threat of pandemic.