The latest Essential Research fortnightly rolling aggregate result has Labor’s lead back to 52-48 after two weeks at 51-49, with the Coalition down a point on the primary vote to 39%, Labor steady on 37%, the Greens steady on 10% and the Nick Xenophon Team down one to 3%. Other questions find an across-the-board decline in trust towards a range of institutions since the question was last posed in October. At the top of the list are state and federal police, followed by the High Court and the ABC, while political parties take the wooden spoon, followed by business groups, state and federal parliaments, religious organisations and trade unions. A series of indicators involving personal wellbeing were reported as having improved over the past 50 years, while job security and political leadership had become much worse. A question on trust in handling personal information found either a lot of trust or some trust for security agencies (51%), the Australian Bureau of Statistics (46%) and banks (45%), compared with 20% for social media sites.
As well as Dastyari, the media have been carrying on about the Tromp family for days. I don’t know the story as I haven’t gone past the headlines but it seems that once they latch onto something they will try to spin out their narrative for as long as possible.
Or perhaps they think that enough people (like me originally) will mistake ‘Tromp’ for ‘Trump’ and click on the article.
‘Brownie the Brown-ringed Octopus’ just not have the same sort of pizzazz factor.
A couple of massive polls in the US, this Washington Post one of 74,000 registered voters does all 50 states, with a key finding
“The massive survey highlights a critical weakness in Trump’s candidacy — an unprecedented deficit for a Republican among college-educated white voters, especially women. White college graduates have been loyal Republican voters in recent elections, but Trump is behind Clinton with this group across much of the country, including in some solidly red states.”
http://wapo.st/2coVN4k
confessions @ #200 Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 9:17 pm
‘Fess it wasnt important. I was just saying your avatar looked pink to me.
It just occurred to me while I was watching ‘Good Game’ just now, that, if Sam Dastyari is demoted by Bill Shorten ultimately, then it will have come to such a pretty pass that a politician can be sacked from their frontbench position for NOT taking a bribe but simply for the appearance that a bribe might have been taken to possibly parrot a line.
Also, what has been really interesting me about all this is the involvement of the Chinese-Australian media (‘InBrisbaneToday’ wasn’t it?), who fed the story to receptive journos in the Aussie media. Then I reflected back to the Chinese Whispers effort by the Chinese-Australian SOCIAL media against the Labor candidate in Chisholm and the murky links to the Liberal Party in Victoria that they have. Which leads me to wonder, is the whole Sam Dastyari thing yet another one of these co-ordinated operations to damage the Labor Party between the Chinese-Australian diaspora sympathetic to the Liberal Party, the Liberal Party, and the Australian media who are also onside?
Nothing would surprise me as to the depths to which the real sleazebags here, the Liberal Party, would descend in order to win the political contest. Fair means just don’t get a look in with them, because they are hopeless at that. Just foul.
C
I was coming to the conclusion that the Tromps were perhaps some sort of Australian Kardashians. The children seemed quite happy to drop their guts in public in exchange for 15 seconds of fame.
I’ve said it definitely isn’t a sacking/demotion offense but he does deserve some opprobrium.
More importantly is to use the example to improve the rules to reflect what we expect from our democracy.
Not sacking offence – agreed.
Help to tighten the rules – agreed.
I don’t know what deserves opprobrium. Unless Dastyari is to be whipping boy for the entire political class, he’s not done anything to deserve opprobium. When the “get Sam” bullshit dies down we can have a sensible conversation about changing the rules to better reflect what most voters would expect. Until then it’s just a unicorn to distract people from the unfolding clusterfuck of the government.
Bushfire Bill
The “reptiles” of the media went after Bronwyn Bishop the same way and I recall some pretty awful stuff commented here about her, which could have been deemed sexist.
However as the Speaker she had to step down. Sam D. might be given another chance as he in opposition.
My opinion is that his cuteness and engaging personality may hold him through. People don’t take him seriously, do they. But still, there is the sense of entitlement that many of our politicians have, that they feel they are above the rest of us.
And I know you will say that only Liberals have a problem with this and donations LOL. I know you will say that.
Boerwar,
‘Brownie the Brown-ringed Octopus’ just not have the same sort of pizzazz factor.
Well, his prognostications have been crap lately. ; )
This NBC news poll has HRC 6 points up with a whopping 32,228 sample
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/clinton-holds-steady-against-trump-campaign-enters-final-weeks-poll-n642931
You will see some media (and Trump tweets) highlighting the CNN poll which has him 1 point ahead. The sample? 786
C@tmomma
Bluey reckons that it is unlike felines to lack grace to go with their sharp claws.
Ides:
No worries. My gravatar was indeed pink up until tonight that is.
Citizen,
Yet I didn’t see one subeditor come up with the obvious headline,
‘It’s All Tromp and Circumstance’.
: )
Bemused:
‘So you lied about not watching it.
What other lies have you posted on here? ‘
I think that I once said that you weren’t a boring and pompous dickhead.
Boerwar,
Maybe it’s got something to do with losing my pussy? : )
Maybe I’ll regain my composure when I find it?
adrian @ #214 Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 9:33 pm
Wrong again. 🙂
Anyway, did you enjoy watching what you announced you wouldn’t watch? 😆
ICAC’s Mr Teflon, Eric Roozendaal, always lies close.
Must be getting some good coin so he can jog around Darling Point
‘Anyway, did you enjoy watching what you announced you wouldn’t watch? ‘
Why are you such a fuckwit?
I watched about 20 seconds. Ok? If you call that watching, that’s fine.
I have better things to do than argue with an idiot like you, so the rest of your idiocy will be ignored.
C@tmomma
I hesitate to go where even angels fear to tread…
c@tmomma @ #215 Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 9:33 pm
Someone has been watching too much “Have You Been Served?”.
The Conservo shills, the media, and some here continue to refer to the fact that Sam’s debt is a personal debt.
I have heard it stated that the debt is a cost blow out of about $1670 in the allocation / allowance from which his staff’s travel is paid. His staff incurred more travel cost than was available.
Barnaby rabbitted on ad nauseam that “the Chinese company paid his personal debt” as though what is being paid is his toothpaste, toilet paper, or laundry. The media is happy to let this false impression thrive.
So what is the difference between “here is money to pay for your future travel and future staff travel” and “here is money to pay for your past travel and your staff past travel”.
Either way it is the Chinese company paying for travel associated with being a polly. It is either within the rules or not.
And we all know the answer to that. Just ask Rineheart and Barnaby.
adrian @ #218 Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 9:39 pm
Deep breaths Adrian….
“It is either within the rules or not.”
So was Bronwyn Bishop. Why are we so particular now?
I think the Australian public will just see another politician on the make, Liberal, Labor or Green.
‘Barnaby rabbitted on ad nauseam that “the Chinese company paid his personal debt” as though what is being paid is his toothpaste, toilet paper, or laundry. The media is happy to let this false impression thrive.’
Turnbull said the same thing a couple of times, again unchallenged. Must be the line they’ve adopted, in their normal dishonest way.
PO
I doubt very much that BBishop’s ‘adventurism’ with taxpayer’s travel funds were ‘within the rules’
Prettyone
A song for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbr60I0u2Ng
Boerwar,
The AFP investigated the Finance Dept at Labor’s request, I believe. No charges were forthcoming. So therefore it was “within the rules”.
prettyone @ #223 Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 9:52 pm
Two things.
First, Bishop held one of the highest offices in the land (as we were told ad nauseam during the Peter Slipper imbroglio) and brought that office into disrepute. You would have to look up what Sam Dastyari’s position is on the Labor frontbench – a position he is not even being paid for.
Secondly, the rules about donations are clear. The rules about using public money to pay for travel is anything but clear. In the cases of both Bishop and Slipper, the rules (the Minchin protocols) were so ambiguous that it was impossible for them to ever be found to have broken the law. This was proved when Slipper won his appeal against his conviction.
I agree though that the public is sick of snouts in the trough. There is a hell of a lot to be done about it. They could clean up the travel rules. They could reduce the circumstances in which gifts can be made (whether to individuals, to party organisations or, a Liberal specialty, front organisations which exist solely to raise money in a way that hides the identity of donors from official records.
If the Liberals, who are in government, were genuinely affronted by what a junior Labor frontbencher (and he is junior, given that he was only appointed to the position since the election and is not even being paid as a frontbencher) has accepted by way of a gift and declared, they would do something about being able to give and accept gifts in these circumstances. But they are doing nothing except look for a scalp and make a big noise to deflect from their incompetent management of the country.
Oh, and government ministers and office holders, regardless of which party is in government, should be held to a higher standard than opposition or third party members. These people are sworn in as members of the executive government and exercise statutory power to make decisions that affect the lives of many people. Opposition members have no power at all, except to block laws if they can muster sufficient numbers – very rarely in the Reps, although increasingly frequently in the Senate.
Whatever it is the Libs are saying, it only reinforces the impression that they are using Opposition tactics while in government.
They are trying to get Sam because Sam has been Labor’s go-to front-man of late, and because of his notoriety on the Banking Royal Commission issue. Get Same to be held guilty of rorting his finances and he’s no longer able to comment on rorting (or so the theory goes).
Turnbull today, in China, with the leaders of the world economies within spitting distance, ranting on about parish pump stuff like Sam’s $1,700 donation was cringeworthy and embarrassing. It was almost as bad as Abbott’s local branch-meeting pop talk speech to Obama and the rest of them when they were in Brisbane. Truly poor taste and inappropriate.
I hope the forensic mole that Labor has in the Caymans, going quietly through volumes of paperwork, will pick up some juicy tidbits, if he or she hasn’t already. There will be a right time for it, but youse have to agree, that given today’s Essential poll result, whatever it is the Coalition are doing isn’t working out. Having Brandis and Pyne on a point-men is the worst of their mistakes. These two – outside a very small circle of schoolboy-brained sycophants – are loathed by the wider community, for good reason.
And then there’s Cory Bernardi…
prettyone @ #227 Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 10:00 pm
As I just noted, it is near impossible to find a breach of the law in the way politicians claim entitlements, the rules are so vague and ambiguous. That said, I would have very little confidence in the AFP being able to find Sydney Harbour Bridge while standing at Circular Quay.
I can’t see any difference between Dastyari accepting $1,670 to cover part of his travel bill ..and Abbott accepting $60,000 to cover all of his daughter’s education fees..
..except, of course, the amounts involved..
A new recruit wants to join Fairfax/ News corp or the ABC .
Goes into the interview with a large resume and asks the interviewer if they want to see it. The interviewer says don’t worry about that, do you hate Labor, if the answers yes they get the job
warrenpeace @ #232 Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 10:34 pm
Nah. They hand them a sheet of paper with questions to ask Labor, with the Liberal Party logo on the top. The applicant is then asked what they see at the top of the page. If the applicant says ‘nothing’, they get the job.
markjs @ #231 Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 10:34 pm
Well, for starters Abbott never declared it.
TPOF..
..I thought he didn’t, but wasn’t sure ..pretty sure the media didn’t attempt to publicly lynch him over it though..
..Turnbull ..Abetz ..Joyce ..Pyne ..Bernardi ..Brandis ..all getting apoplectic with indignation ..and their ABC going along with what has become a transparent attempt to ASSASSINATE SAM!!
..pathetic..
Next week in parliament will be interesting, Bill and his team have far more nous then the Libs and their media mates. I bet they are working out tactics already That will make the enemy squirm, because this is war.
Not sure if this is happening to others things ….I log into Crikey, find PB read and when I refresh the page to get latest comments, it logs me out and I need to start from scratch again. Most annoying and something that never used to be the case. Tough enough on an Ipad….grrr.
Meant to write just ‘others’ , not things.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/09/02/the-future-of-public-universities-is-in-jeopardy-and-this-documentary-explains-why/?postshare=191473128696943&tid=ss_tw-bottom
The reason the media are going so hard on Labor this week is because it’s a non sitting week. They know that next week when parliament sits Turnbull and Co. will be show’n
up for the pack of drongos they are.
/if Bill Shorten won’t sack Sam Dastyari, then Tony Wright may as well do it himself.
Vexed by Sam Dastyari’s non-resignation, and with Bill Shorten’s tepid defence of “the young fella”, Wright has decided to rewrite history (a not uncommon occurrence for Tony). If Sam didn’t resign, he’s finished anyway.
Who says?
Tony Wright says, that’s who says….
I love it when the boozy, whoring Press Gallery, working for failing companies pursuing an out of date business model, utilising old antiquated of linear methods production and suffering huges losses both to diminishing volume of consumption and profit, see fit to lecture others on how they should comport themselves.
That $1600 declared dollars, paid and received not only wholly within the rules and guidelines, but in excess of the requirements of the rules and guidelines, excites a bored Gallery, too lazy to do any work, but never too lazy to heckle and kick someone when he’s down, into this kind of pack attack, acting as a lynch mob too used to rorting their own expense accounts to notice when someone else fills in the forms properly,you know it’s time for a cleanout.
Today’s spectacle wasn’t one of Sam Dastyari’s best moments, but he played a blinder compared to the Gallery hacks who had told us he had to go… in their estimation, of course… and who were denied their prize but couldn’t think of an alternative story… so they made one up.
BB
My thoughts all day were along the same lines as yourself, but in your posts its always a better read.
Gravatar test.
All good again except for the random auto-generated ones.
Dan Gulberry
Not sure what you did but thank you.
My wife has just told me she is pregnant even although I’m impotent, she said that an angel came came and said that our child would be the second coming of Jesus.
Is the above all bullshit to righ it is, just like the crap they write/say in the media.
Sam should go to the backbench for a period of self-imposed reflection. He can always come back later and should. However, now is not the time for a major distraction away from government incompetence. It will be a small price to pay to shift the focus back onto the government.
I say this, not because I believe that Sam Dastyari did anything that wasn’t allowable within the rules as they stand around the matters under discussion but because there is one question that is hanging in the air like a spectre.
‘Why did Sam ask this particular gentleman and his company, in particular, to pay the excess of his staff travel bill?’
For the life of me I can’t come up with an answer. Can anyone else?
Yay! My c@t has come home to momma! : )
In my view Sam Dastyari, only mistake was apologising; where did he get the illusion that apologising would stop the nonsense. It should have been; I travelled for a reason; not for pleasure; it’s within the rules; if you don’t like it lets change the rules.
WarrenPeace
Wednesday, September 7, 2016 at 4:23 am
My wife has just told me she is pregnant even although I’m impotent, she said that an angel came came and said that our child would be the second coming of Jesus.
Work once, why not give it a second try. You could set yourself up as a priest and take up activities being uncovered by a royal commission; should you be twisted enough for that to rock your boat.