The Essential Research fortnightly rolling average moves back a point to the Coalition this week, with Labor’s lead narrowing to 51-49 from primary votes of Coalition 39% (steady), Labor 36% (down one), Greens 10% (steady) and Nick Xenophon Team 4% (steady). Also featured are occasional questions on issue salience, recording big increases since December 2014 for national security and terrorism and housing affordability, and the best party to handle the various issues, with very little change on the previous such result in June, except that Coalition deficits have narrowed slightly on health and education. A semi-regular question on climate change finds 57% attributing it to human activity, down two points since June, with “normal fluctuation in the earth’s climate” also down two since July to 26%. Support for same-sex marriage is up four points to 62%, while opposition is down one to 27%. Sixty-two per cent oppose public funding of advertising campaigns in the event of a plebiscite, with only 25% in support. Respondents were also asked to state if various types of foreign investment were good or bad for the country, which recorded a neutral result for mining and negative ones for ports, agriculture, infrastructure and real estate.
Essential Research: 51-49 to Labor
A blip back to the Coalition from Essential Research, which also turns in results on climate change, same-sex marriage and foreign investment.
Try again:
Don
#3123 Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 3:19 pm
Adrian, previous thread:
I think you just struck a bad batch. The lady who came to check on us was quite friendly.
Though maybe the cracks are beginning to show in the lack of response to the census. We don’t have any hard data on that yet.
It’s hard to see the coalition ever winning an election with a 39% primary vote.
It always interests me seeing things like 26% of Australians claiming they don’t believe in climate change.
Lets assume the real number is 6%, which is still likely an overestimate in an educated society.
That means 20% of people don’t genuinely respond to questions, they just pick whatever answer “is most right wing”. It would be a fair assumption that there are a further 20% of people that do the same on the left wing. That leaves very few people actually answering the questions genuinely.
A great article about the CFA dispute by The Age’s Richard Willingham (he calls out the behaviour of Michaelia Car Crash and Turnbull for what it really is):
http://www.smh.com.au/victoria/the-politicisation-of-victorian-firefighters-continues-from-canberra-20160823-gqyss7.html
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-23/anthony-albanese-search-finds-father-he-thought-was-dead/7776918
C@Tmomma
I’ve found an alternative to “tidying my sock drawer”: changing the water in my fish tank.
Australian Aheda Zanetti says controversy in France has sparked interest, particularly from non-Muslim women who want protection from the sun
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/23/burkini-bans-in-france-have-sales-of-full-body-swimsuit-soaring-says-designer?CMP=share_btn_tw
The Census – whether to protest or to boycott:
General advice (with all the usual provisos .. I am not a lawyer etc etc …) is that it is better to protest by not providing name and address than to boycott the census altogether. It is not an offence to omit these items of information. It only becomes an offence if you are directed to provide them by the ABS. Which would be a bit dopey of them, since they have to have this information already to direct you to provide it!
In any event, there is a reasonable case to be made that the ABS has no right to unilaterally declare name and address to be “statistical information” when they were not so considered in any previous census, and the ex-head of the ABS says they are not.
lizzie @ #5 Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 3:35 pm
What a beautiful and heartfelt story. I am so glad you shared it. ❤☮
player one @ #8 Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 4:08 pm
I am going to do both. First boycott and finally the protest option.
45 minutes in queue for Telstra web chat; one hour of fiddling to resolve my email issues.
At least I could achieve resolution from O/S without too much stress.
Telstra worked on this occasion. They did tell me about the impending email migration which would have been good to receive some info about.
Only 26 more negative polls to go and Turnbull must eesign.
I had a visit today from a person from the ABS demanding that I fill in the census. After challenging the woman to show appropriate accreditation I showed her a print out of the screen grab from three Sundays ago when I completed the Census prior to C Tuesday and also the 9 digit code I was given on completion.
The arrogant woman typed these details into her iPad and then sheepishly announced that yes I had indeed completed the Census then turned on her heels and sulked off.
B**ch
Lizzie,
I’ve found an alternative to “tidying my sock drawer”: changing the water in my fish tank.
I have a lawn that needs mowing. But it’s too cold! As would be the water in the fish tank? Unless they are tropical fish. : )
Boerwar,
Is ‘eesigning’ the new digital way to tender one’s resignation, for switched on types like Turnbull? ; )
Looks like the ABS is going all out to win hearts and minds.
What an amzingly heartwarming story about Albo’s dad. However, I will observe that Albo looks exactly like his mother’s brother in that photo from the Cruise! : )
Who’s Who in the new Senate Zoo:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-04/election-2016-results-senate-crossbenchers/7566692
Nicole –
I would be a bit careful here. It has been mentioned that the cutoff date for on-line is later than for the return of the paper forms. I have no idea how any potential ‘directive’ from the statistician may be made, or what the obligations are, but I suspect your options become limited at that point.
So, while there is some flexibility in using the paper form, that flexibility will probably be removed at the time that you may be obliged to complete it.
I tossed this up for a long time, but I can’t personally risk any significant action against me by the state, so I am going to try to make use of the paper form and fill out those things I’m happy to fill out while still clearly protesting, and then see what happens.
“Information is a weapon” concludes this article.
Good cause to upgrade outdated security measures from 1905 and 1988 guarding our privacy and information methinks.
adrian @ #16 Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 4:26 pm
Hahahaha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiBLgEx6svA
lizzie @ #5 Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 3:35 pm
That’s a beautiful story. I haven’t been keeping up with the news, so I would have easily missed this one. Thanks for sharing.
New research shows a ‘tale of two retirements’
The wealthiest 30 per cent of retirees have twice the income they need to match what they spend, while the poorest 20 per cent don’t have enough to balance the household budget.’
Figures, with the poor excuse for policy we get in this country.
Just as well there are some great regional areas!
Maybe ABS should contract out the census followups to Transfield & Wilsons?
Re the CFA issue, I am curious as to what head of power under the constition gives the C/wealth the capacity to deal with state based volunteers. It has the power to deal with interstate industrial disputes, that was used from at least 1904. Howard used the corporations power to extend the C/wealth power further.
As the CFA volunteers are not employees there is no industrial dispute . And I don’t think the CFA would qualify as a corporation. And Fair Work Australia is supposed to deal with employment and industrial issues.
It is quite a while since I worked in the IR field so maybe I am missing something. Appreciate thoughts of any current lawyers on this point.
I think Cash used to work as an IR lawyer so she should be across this.
Would be really great if any proposed legislation is found to be unconstitutional.
simon katich @ #25 Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 4:42 pm
Nah. Even those companies must have some ethics!
Rossco,
seems to me it will be a clause (in the fairwork act?) that will invalidate the enterprise agreement under certain conditions affecting the volunteer force.
jackol @ #20 Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 4:34 pm
Herein lies the problem. Going by how little they seem to care about public sentiment and the way they have been spinning reports on how things are going, I feel obligated to boycott until cut off date. Will they be honest about the amount of people who have not provided names and addresses? I doubt they will now, based upon their current track. I will not say I refuse. I will say I want to but….
I doubt they will refuse me filling out one after the end date. I just want to increase the non compliance quota by end date. I am willing to take the risk because it is a matter of urgency for me that they fall back on their contingency plans. Contingency plans which should have been their first plan if they were to honour tradition. Contingency plans which involve seeking external advice, public debate and seeking consensus.
Shame on them for trying to avoid this step. Current legislation is inadequate. I thank you for your concern however. I will consider it some more too.
Lizzie @1.07pm (previous thread)
Thank you for pointing out the huge amount of personal data that that honeypot called Facebook already has about any of its users.
I am amazed at the outrageous claim by Player 1 and his team of 3 that this supports their “be very scared of the Census” narrative. It’s like a mum looking out the window at her child who has already dropped and spilled the bottle of milk …. the milk is disappearing down the gutter, and the mum then calls out “be careful not to drop the milk”.
As to Player 1’s @ 4.08pm non-legal-advice legal advice about what is or is not an offence, and about what is or is not a “reasonable case” in defending one’s actions, it speaks for itself as to his muddled logic.
And of course it begs the comment that whether or not one’s case is a “reasonable case” is something to be argued in a court.
We all know that that costs money ….. maybe even more than a potential fine.
Nevertheless it is always refreshing to see someone put up money for their hard held principles, even if it is (as in the case of Player 1’s non-legal-advice legal advice) someone else’s money that is at risk.
Humour is never far away on PB.
What a crazy world we live in – http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-23/adelaide-man-charged-dubai-over-facebook-post-released-on-bail/7778100
Seriously? In the UAE you can be charged with “promoting a charity without permission ” … ?
Makes you realize that despite everything the LNP tries to do here, we do still live in a pretty decent country. But it also shows you why it is important to stand up for your rights whenever they are threatened!
Facebook is voluntary and privacy conscious people do not provide much in the way of details at all. In fact many don’t even use their real names. People post what they WANT people to see. They don’t post want they DON’T WANT people to see.
Nicole, I advise you to do your census as soon as you are able. Withhold your name if you so choose (I will be this year – due to the changes).
If you want to protest, write letters.
Not that my advice should carry any weight. Its merely 2 bobs worth.
Privacy is not about secrecy but about people having control about what they want people to know and what they don’t.
The ABS is really clutching at straws here …
What a disgrace they are.
‘Humour is never far away on PB.’
Yeah, and you’re a major source of it.
Team of three? I guess that numeracy aint your strong point.
Psy,
Team of three?
Are we a Merry Band?
Anyways, Lizzie and I and BB (?) were banging on about the census changes many months ago.
Under a new law from July 1 2016 you can be fined up to $160,000AUD (yes 160k) for using a VPN in the UAE…
They have some unusual and draconian laws.
lord haw haw of arabia @ #38 Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 5:09 pm
Was it there also that someone got charged because the merely shared a post that was raising funds for charity?
World selfie day. Ouch!

Nicole,
You might like to read some time….
https://www.facebook.com/about/privacy/#
What kinds of information do we collect?
Depending on which Services you use, we collect different kinds of information from or about you.
Things you do and information you provide.
We collect the content and other information you provide when you use our Services, including when you sign up for an account, create or share, and message or communicate with others. This can include information in or about the content you provide, such as the location of a photo or the date a file was created. We also collect information about how you use our Services, such as the types of content you view or engage with or the frequency and duration of your activities.
Things others do and information they provide.
We also collect content and information that other people provide when they use our Services, including information about you, such as when they share a photo of you, send a message to you, or upload, sync or import your contact information.
Your networks and connections.
We collect information about the people and groups you are connected to and how you interact with them, such as the people you communicate with the most or the groups you like to share with. We also collect contact information you provide if you upload, sync or import this information (such as an address book) from a device.
Information about payments.
If you use our Services for purchases or financial transactions (like when you buy something on Facebook, make a purchase in a game, or make a donation), we collect information about the purchase or transaction. This includes your payment information, such as your credit or debit card number and other card information, and other account and authentication information, as well as billing, shipping and contact details.
Device information.
We collect information from or about the computers, phones, or other devices where you install or access our Services, depending on the permissions you’ve granted. We may associate the information we collect from your different devices, which helps us provide consistent Services across your devices. Here are some examples of the device information we collect:
Attributes such as the operating system, hardware version, device settings, file and software names and types, battery and signal strength, and device identifiers.
Device locations, including specific geographic locations, such as through GPS, Bluetooth, or WiFi signals.
Connection information such as the name of your mobile operator or ISP, browser type, language and time zone, mobile phone number and IP address.
Information from websites and apps that use our Services.
We collect information when you visit or use third-party websites and apps that use our Services (like when they offer our Like button or Facebook Log In or use our measurement and advertising services). This includes information about the websites and apps you visit, your use of our Services on those websites and apps, as well as information the developer or publisher of the app or website provides to you or us.
Information from third-party partners.
We receive information about you and your activities on and off Facebook from third-party partners, such as information from a partner when we jointly offer services or from an advertiser about your experiences or interactions with them.
Facebook companies.
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simon katich @ #37 Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 5:08 pm
Perhaps you are being let off the hook and Psyclaw is only counting the truly batshit insane?
Hey SK, I thought it was a (very) merry band of three promoting the Census as God’s gift to humanity with a rolled gold guarantee from Mal and his, also merry, band of spruikers.
But I never was much good at maths.
Adrenalin pumping again. I had best watch it or I may end up having conniptions (insiders joke) or I could do what I usually do and play a song that suits. Until the ABS falls back on their contingency plans, this is my attitude.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwMgZQbIvFU
I will do the equivalent of go and tidy my sock drawer now and prepare dinner. Later. A calmer later. 🙂
Simon
You are not included.
Sorry about that.
‘Perhaps you are being let off the hook and Psyclaw is only counting the truly batshit insane?’
On cue, here comes the usual suspect to raise the bar for insults, as is his (unmerry) wont.
Just as well nobody here seems to take you seriously old chap.
psyclaw @ #46 Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 5:22 pm
I don’t know where you get the impression that your approval is some kind of prize to be sought. Don’t you think you might just have tickets on yourself?
Under a new law from July 1 2016 you can be fined up to $160,000AUD (yes 160k) for using a VPN in the UAE…
It’s one of the many reasons why I will NEVER fly Emirates airlines. Plus the way they subjugate their female employees by making non-Muslim women wear a face covering.
Nicole @5.02pm
“Facebook is voluntary and privacy conscious people do not provide much in the way of details at all. ”
That would be quite true.
In my estimation, based on friends and acquaintances who use Facebook, and on the many media references about the matter, the privacy conscious people would comprise about 0.01% of those who use Facebook.
And as Bakunin has just pointed out to you, the “privacy conscious people” who use Facebook are also being delusional as to the fact that they are not giving too much away.
There is only one solution for those with your concern …. stay off digital media, period. Go back to the safety of pencil and paper and tree based info sources. You might be safe there for a few weeks or so.