Newspoll brings us a well-timed result of Victorian state voting intention, this being the usual bi-monthly result for July-August with a sample of 1144 respondents. It has Labor moving into the lead with 51-49 on two-party preferred, reversing the result of the last poll, from primary votes of 41% for the Coalition (down two), 38% for Labor (up three) and 13% for the Greens (up one). Personal ratings find Denis Napthine losing some honeymoon gloss, up five on disapproval to 31% and steady on approval at 53%. Daniel Andrews meanwhile is up three on approval to 38% and down two on disapproval to 32%, although Napthine’s lead as preferred premier is essentially unchanged at 47-25, compared with 49-26 last time. Full tables from GhostWhoVotes.
Here’s how the full gamut of this term’s polling – 12 Newspolls and five ReachTELs – looks after being run through the BludgerTrack meat-grinder:
What’s even funnier Rummel is that Flannery was talking about Southern Australia, so your claim that he was talking about Brisbane is even more stupid.
[Campbell Newman: “Look after the pennies and the pounds take care of themselves”
Wise words for the Labor Party and it’s hacks]
Have a clue what you’re talking about before you copy and paste somebody else’s words. The only hack in this interaction is you, buddy.
1. Rudd isn’t “gone”, he’s sitting on the backbench planning his inevitable return.
2. The Labor internal shit fight continues, this time with Albo Vs Shorten. Shorten… may.. just MAY… pull the plug on Rudd’s Rulz when he finds out he isn’t getting the top job that is rightfully his.
3. It’s Labor, putting your leadership aspirations above the party is in their blood.
“Hope someone on the Labor side has Abbott’s transcripts archived somewhere”
You can’t necessarily erase the internet by taking down a website.
The great library of Alexandria, and a US site, archive as much of the web as they can, robotically, at approximately 2 monthly intervals. Google ‘Way Back Machine’ to play with it.
I used to wonder why researchers had to put ‘accessed [particular date]’ beside URLs they cited. As if they would otherwise make the reference up. But it’s to give later researchers a chance to find the URL in these archives.
The upside is that grieving Laborites can easily find PollBludger back to the glory days of 2008…
The downside is all those dumb comments are preserved…
It doesn’t matter what Tim Flannery has said.
Tony Abbott has won the election. The chances are that the carbon price will go when the new Senate takes its place.
The Greens wanted more than the CPRS…now they get nothing!
Liberals in Victoria are falling to pieces.
Shaw gone..Liberals gone.
Abbott was the direct beneficiary of Christine Milne’s carbon tax.
[3. It’s Labor, putting your leadership aspirations above the party is in their blood.]
Actually Labor has shown its willingness to change leaders in the party’s interests, e.g. Hayden to Hawke, Hawke to Keating, Gillard to Rudd.
It’s the Liberal Party that develops cult like fixations with particular leaders, e.g. sticking with Howard in 2007 when everyone knew he was going to lose.
How did the Liberals go with leadership, in their first term in opposition, Sean? At least the ALP is actually trying to better itself, unlike your closed-door cult-of-personality.
Of course it matters what Tim Flannery said, when people are using it against him to damage his reputation (similar to Michael Mann). He’s been a target for climate skeptics for ages.
It’s so funny that you still bang on about the OLDE CPRS. God, if the scaredy pants in the Labor Party had the guts to go to a DD over it they probably be in power. However, that may mean Rudd would still be PM…
So much for the “budget emergency” Hockey is borrowing more.
And to address the “emergency” Abbott is delaying the next sitting of HoR.
They certainly pulled the wool over the eyes of many with their bullshit ’emergency’.
[Malcolm Fraser @MalcolmFraser12 29m
Bill Shorten tells Anthony Albanese: stop the sledging http://gu.com/p/3tq77/tw via @guardian Good friends? ]
You would think that now the numpty Liberals are in govt, already doing their best to wreck relations with Indonesia, dumping any mention of the reality of climate change from the govt, and introducing the boats policy Fraser claims to hate, that he’d actually have something to say about Abbott’s government!
NO!
Kevin Rudd has zero intention of leading Labor to another election. Justice was restored, it’s now time to move on.
The Ruddster is there now to provide guidance and assistance to the Labor team and its leadership, experience worth having in my view.
Rudd haters go and get help!
Centre
“Abbott was the direct beneficiary of Christine Milne’s carbon tax.”
Ha ha haaaa… oh god, really?
Did you not read the article where Julia Gillard regretted calling it a Carbon Tax? Was a problem of her own making…
Murdoch
Centre:
You are sounding as unhinged as my say these days.
Get a grip!
I am just a little confused. Was Labor’s worst result in 80 years due to Rudd being recalled too late or because he was recalled too soon?
Oakeshott Country@1967
Excellent question. I think it was because he was recalled at all.
Astrobleme
You are out of touch with the appropriate political party action to take with the electorate.
The only way Rudd could have gone to a DD over the CPRS would have been with the support of 50% of the Coalition and the Greens.
You could have screwed the Monkey. It would have been Labor + 50% of the Coalition + the Greens v Abbott and the Sceptics.
Now the Monkey screws you!
ShowsOn@1958
Good to see you again ShowsOn.
Who are you backing for Labor leadership?
OC,
Yes and no. But, not yet!
[Actually Labor has shown its willingness to change leaders in the party’s interests, e.g. Hayden to Hawke, Hawke to Keating, Gillard to Rudd.]
Crean to Latham 😛
Centre
I think over time your recollections of 2010 have turned to fantasy.
Why 50% of the Libs? Can you do the maths for me? I can’t see how yours adds up.
“Actually Labor has shown its willingness to change leaders in the party’s interests, e.g. Hayden to Hawke, Hawke to Keating, Gillard to Rudd”.
Changing to Hawke and then Keating resulted in Labor victories.
As for the Ruddster………
[Was Labor’s worst result in 80 years due to Rudd being recalled too late or because he was recalled too soon?]
The only thing that matters now is that he leaves parliament.
With any luck we’ll see a by-election in Griffith early next year.
Confessions
In what way am I unhinged or sounding like My Say?
What have I said in post 1963 that makes you believe that I should get a grip?
Your obsessive hatred of Rudd is making you unstable.
Go and seek help!
The Many Small Ways Americans Are Adapting to Climate Change: Atlantic http://bit.ly/16hFsml *but emission not cut fast enough
Because Abbott beat Turnbull to claim the Liberal Party leadership by one (1) vote.
Have you ever heard of rounding to nearest numbers?
Here’s another beautiful rounding of numbers – 8% of the vote 😆
LOON!
1947
Astrobleme
[Like most climate change skeptics, you show very little skepticism of your own claims,…]
Usually a dead give away.
[In what way am I unhinged or sounding like My Say?]
By constantly making demands of other commenters.
If you can’t bear to read things which offend your delicate sensitivities then do something that doesn’t bring you into contact with unbearable truths.
Centre
Hang on, you said “The only way Rudd could have gone to a DD over the CPRS would have been with the support of 50% of the Coalition and the Greens.”
So I want you to show me how it required 50% of the Coalition and the Greens to go to a DD…
It simply makes no sense.
“The Ruddster is there now to provide guidance and assistance to the Labor team and its leadership, experience worth having in my view.”
I’d like to see that! 😀 😀
[The upside is that grieving Laborites can easily find PollBludger back to the glory days of 2008…]
They can just as easily do that right here, of course.
muttley,
He’s turned in to an Air Hostess?
I’m yet to see someone on here who is Liberal supporter actually write something that supports their argument that climate change is not happening.
Or to put forward a reasoned argument about why we shouldn’t reduce pollutions.
Centre, it isn’t the Greens’ responsibility to save the Labor party from themselves. Perhaps Rudd could have tried, say, actually negotiating with them instead of expecting them to just pass he and Turnbull’s dog of a policy without a single amendment.
I’m also having a bit of trouble following your logic re double dissolutions. Why would have Labor needed the support of anyone to call a DD. As far as I understand, all that’s needed as a trigger is for the senate to reject it several times, which, er, would have happened. Unless I’m missing something really obvious.
Confessions
I think that it may be you with the delicate sensitivities that can’t bear any truth.
Who are you to insist that Rudd does not serve his term to represent the people of Griffith as he was elected to do?
How is this for the following set of truths:
1. Rudd was removed as a first term democratically elected PM by the people in which those responsible for his removal have said it was a mistake.
2. It is clear to political observers that Rudd saved Labor seats at the election.
3. Rudd has reformed the manner in which the party now selects its leader.
4. Rudd’s knowledge and experience can only benefit the party while he is in parliament.
I think you are turning into a nutcase with your hatred for the former PM.
Astrobleme
50% of the Coalition backed Turnbull. Turnbull made an agreement with Rudd to introduce the CPRS.
[I am just a little confused. Was Labor’s worst result in 80 years due to Rudd being recalled too late or because he was recalled too soon?]
Ultimately, it was because he was elected Leader in the first place.
Amazing pics. http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/09/six-million-displaced-by-war-in-syria/100587/ … Hey Abbott …Good luck with Operation Sovereign Borders. Gunna need it!
Look at the photos showing the size of these refugee camps. Now explain how the boats will be stopped in a humanitarian way.
Asha
I think Centre made a boo boo in claiming that and is now going to stay silent… Pretend it never happened… Shhhhh don’t mention the DD
🙂
Centre
That has nothing to do with whether or not they could have had a DD.
Centre
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Astrobleme
50% of the Coalition backed Turnbull. Turnbull made an agreement with Rudd to introduce the CPRS.
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then Abbott stabbed him in the back and had no problems accepting Slippers vote
Astrobleme
Your Greens have been nothing but a nuisance and a hindrance to the Labor Party.
Combet, Albo and Bowen have called them lunatics – in a nice way!
Psephos,
And you know what. Many in the Party haven’t learnt a f**king thing from the experience.
Why has Labor succumbed to this Messiah complex?
“1. Rudd was removed as a first term democratically elected PM by the people in which those responsible for his removal have said it was a mistake.”
Who said?
“2. It is clear to political observers that Rudd saved Labor seats at the election.”
Reference, please?
“3. Rudd has reformed the manner in which the party now selects its leader.”
When was that ratified by a National Conference?
“4. Rudd’s knowledge and experience can only benefit the party while he is in parliament.”
So far Labor could well have done without Rudd at all and been better off for his absence. The nonsense that he ‘saved’ what he did his best to destroy for three years is nonsensical. He cost at least as many votes as he ‘saved’ – probably more.
The sooner Labor is rid of Rudd the better.
Centre
Ok… So your answer is… “Squirrel!”
fine.
“Ultimately, it was because he was elected Leader in the first place.”
Exactly.
Astrobleme
Yes it does, it meant a great deal of whether Labor could have called a DD election.
Rudd could have gone to the electorate with the knowledge and ammunition that the CPRS was supported by half the Coalition and the Greens.
But the Greens played politics – well they lost!
[I think that it may be you with the delicate sensitivities that can’t bear any truth.]
Except it isn’t me telling others what they can and can’t comment on….