Nothing actually further to add at this stage, but the new day requires a new thread. Please observe the plethora of new posts below for those wishing to follow late counting, and especially the fairly detailed one attempting to review the Senate situation. These extend on to the second page; I’ll do something to make them more accessible in the morning.
Thanks Adam and apologies to ShowsON, I was wrong then on Bendigo
I’m thinking of starting the Chocolate Enthusiasts Party for the next senate election.
As I said before, I think Wong is suited for the seat of Adelaide or, if they wanted to make sure she was as safe as houses, Port Adelaide. Problem is both of those seats have young members whose careers are rising and are probably unlikely to retire or resign soon (and they’re useful assets for both factions too, so I don’t see any pushing.)
And i think there may have been a polly that moved from the Victorian parliament to the WA parliament.
I reckon Tony Burke looks good for the gig in the long run.
He was Gillard, but saw reason in the face of polling. Thats good enough for me in terms of a candidate who can unite and move the party along.
Not here in the permanent trench of PB, of course! But in the actual ALP.
I am thinking of joining the Liberal Democrats – seem like very sensible and moderate people talking my language!
CTar1
I ain’t letting the Rudd whiners who made this blog unbearable for three years until “The Ruddster” got his chance to rodent-cuddle the party at a second election, rewrite history with the villain as the HLV hero-victim.
MPs / Senator who have changed states:
Billy Hughes (NSW-Vic)
Nelson Lemmon (WA-NSW)
W G Spence (NSW-Tas)
Lewis Nott (Qld-ACT)
Barnaby Joyce (Qld-NSW)
Another I can’t remember I think 🙂
T J Ryan and Ted Theodore were Qld Premiers who won NSW federal seats.
lefty e
Listening to Tony Burke on the Sky election panel he came across as honest and to the point.
Tony Burke is from NSW, no thanks.
Anyone from NSW or QLD will refuse to reform and regroup.
I think Burke would be a good leader too.
[I am thinking of joining the Liberal Democrats – seem like very sensible and moderate people talking my language!]
Good for you. It’s always good to find a home on the political landscape.
Of course, what we really need –
The “Bring Netflix to Australia” party.
[Incorrect ShowsOn. Hughes was always in NSW.]
Wrong! He represented seats in both NSW and Victoria.
ESJ might know if the Liberals are the only party ever to go on radio defending a policy only to later realise it wasn’t really a policy but incompetence?
[Thanks Adam and apologies to ShowsON, I was wrong then on Bendigo]
Yes you were wrong. That is correct.
[No amount of good campaigning would have turned Labor’s vote around under Julia Gillard’s leadership, he said.
]
Let me finish the sentence… after being termited relentlessly by K Rudd, who believed he had a special relationship with his great friend, Rupert Murdoch. Stupid food that he was.
Maybe the ALP could have a 0055 number with people voting for pre-selection that way? Bonus would be a cut of the 0055 profits for fundraising – with no yukky ICAC problems to boot!
If Wong wanted to move to the Reps she’d have to look interstate. There are no available SA seats.
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Technically Hughes was NSW-Vic-NSW.
What were the Coalition plans for economic reforms? it was very light on specifics – repeal the Carbon and mining taxes, reducing revenues and making repaying the supposedly disastrous debt that much harder. There were aspirational targets, e.g. “Create 2 million new jobs”. Well, no one is against that. But how do they propose to do it? Do they have a magic wand? Perhaps a suppository of wisdom?
I see on Q&A the Liberal spokespeople are still trashing the economy.
lefty e
[I reckon Tony Burke looks good for the gig in the long run.
Agree … now there’s a good start to the more gentle age of debate under a caring Lib govt. I reckon he’s the only one left with the goods. The Wong push here is hilarious. She couldn’t even get top spot in Senate list, now she’s thought of as a leader?? She’s very competent, is constantly shafted by her colleagues, particularly Rudd who did it to her on the ETS and then as Fin Minister, but leadership material .. gimme a break.
[CTar1
I ain’t letting the Rudd whiners who made this blog unbearable for three years until “The Ruddster” got his chance to rodent-cuddle the party at a second election, rewrite history with the villain as the HLV hero-victim.]
WTF?
Maybe I misheard Senator Brandis but I thought he said that paying off the debt would create the 2 million jobs.
I don’t see the connection myself.
[What were the Coalition plans for economic reforms? it was very light on specifics – repeal the Carbon and mining taxes, reducing revenues and making repaying the supposedly disastrous debt that much harder. ]
LOL it was fascinating that Brandis and Kroger couldn’t come up with a single economic reform between them!
steve777 don’t knock the magic pudding
[Maybe I misheard Senator Brandis but I thought he said that paying off the debt would create the 2 million jobs.
I don’t see the connection myself.]
Paying off the debt too quickly could cost jobs by taking cash out of the economy.
Burke is wishy-washy – a great avoider.
At least Mirabella looks set to lose.
That’s a small consolation prize.
I love when Coalition hacks bellow that Wong couldn’t get #1 on the Senate ticket, despite the fact that actually she was. Indeed, it was after bowing to public pressure, but she still got the gig.
Cory Bernardi, OTOH, got nominated to number 1 position on the Lib ticket, purely due to the factionalism of the SA Libs, despite him being unpopular and having a tendency to say embarrassing-for-his-leader shit, over the much more talented Simon Birmingham.
Dont worry you’ll see the economic policy in “due season” as HWMNBN used to say. They’ll have to have the audit to discover the true extent of the mess and being responsible economic managers will be forced with great reluctance to take action to safeguard the economy.
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Maybe the Coalition, remembering most of the Howard years of not quite having the numbers in the Senate, may decide to expand the numbers to 14 per state?
That may create another ALP seat in SA and solve the problem.
Rob Hulls also moved state. Though from Federal to state level.
[ Maybe I misheard Senator Brandis but I thought he said that paying off the debt would create the 2 million jobs.
I don’t see the connection myself.]
Brandis is strong in the biggest clown stakes.
Hopefully unlike Theodore money won’t need to change hands to find Wong a seat.
There we go, Mick agrees. Bipartisan support for Burke.
Maybe he’s the next time around though – but Im against such logic.
The pick should be one aiming to win in 2016.
Very good OC.
Let’s face it, with an odd exception, the quality of our politicians is crap…on all sides. I think the motorists and the DLP and Palmers Crazies will be quite at home with people like Morrison, that woman from western Sydney who said the refugees were blocking traffic, the climate deniers and the completely blind right wing ALP faction leaders…
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He was member for Kennedy!!! and then Niddrie where he eventually became a rather progressive Attorney-General.
Actually the outsider might be another redhead from South Australia – Amanda Rishworth – but not for a very long time.
Burke was the most successful environment minister in our history – Murray Darling agreement, Tasmanian forests pact, marine parks. All at some risk now.
Tony Zappia, member for Makin, is a brilliant grassroots politician. The seat could easily return to the Libs without him. All SA Labor members are busy in their electorates (as was the defeated Steve Georganas).
“the audit” queue Jaws theme you reckon ESJ?
Business is of course happy with the change of government. Well, they would be. They want to be able to make money with minimal ‘interference’ from governments via regulation on things like fair trading, fair work or the environment. They want to pay as little tax as possible. They don’t want tax loopholes to be fixed. They want a compliant workforce. They want to be able to use roads and infrastructure paid for by taxpayers. They want a skilled workforce, with training paid for by someone else – taxpayers or the workers themselves. They want to extract rents when the opportunity presents itself. And should things go badly wrong they want to be rescued. They regard Coalition governments as being more likely to deliver all these things.
Of course paaptsef – in your heart of hearts do you think thats not coming? It will be an independent impartial process headed up by Peter Costello!!!
Burke has the distinct advantage of appearing for all the world like he might actually be quite a nice bloke.
I wouldnt underrate that quality in the forthcoming matchup.
[Well, they would be. They want to be able to make money with minimal ‘interference’ from governments via regulation on things like fair trading, fair work or the environment. They want to pay as little tax as possible. They don’t want tax loopholes to be fixed. They want a compliant workforce. They want to be able to use roads and infrastructure paid for by taxpayers. They want a skilled workforce, with training paid for by someone else – taxpayers or the workers themselves. They want to extract rents when the opportunity presents itself. And should things go badly wrong they want to be rescued. They regard Coalition governments as being more likely to deliver all these things.]
You read the BCA press release as well. They aren’t even ashamed of their greed.
If Beazley didn’t resign after the 2001 election he would’ve won the 2004 election and Labor would still be in government now.
I don’t see any justification to increasing the Senate but if it happens I think it would be an increase of 4 per state. In the past electing an odd number of senators led to skewed results 1974 is an example. This was often either made worse or ameliorated by locum senate positions being sent to the electors at the first available election – something that disappeared in the 1977 referendum.
16 senators per original state – that produces a quota of 11% at 1/2 senate elections but the real problem would be Tasmania where there would be more politicians than people.
IF that makes you sleep easier at night ShowsOn. The reality is ALP leadership elections are as independent and unpredictable as those of the LDP of Japan, ie not at all.
[Actually the outsider might be another redhead from South Australia – Amanda Rishworth – but not for a very long time.]
WTF? You probably think Billy Hughes had red hair.