GhostWhoVotes reports Newspoll has the Coalition’s lead at 55-45, down from 58-42 last fortnight. The primary votes are 32% for Labor (up two), 48% for the Coalition (down two) and 11% for the Greens (up one). Last fortnight’s spike has also come off in the personal ratings, with Julia Gillard up two on approval to 28% and down three on disapproval to 62%, Tony Abbott down four to 35% and up four 54%, and Abbott’s lead as preferred prime minister down from 43-35 to 40-37.
The weekly Essential Research has Labor up a point to 32%, the Coalition steady on 49% and the Greens down two to 9%, with two-party preferred steady on 56-44. Perceptions of the economy have improved (good up 10 points since a year ago to 45% and poor down three to 26%). Those who answered good or poor were respectively asked why the government wasn’t popular, and what it was that made them think that given low unemployment and inflation. Strong support was also found for taxing superannuation earnings and contributions of high-income earners, at 55% compared with 35% opposed.
Morgan has also come in earlier than usual with its weekly multi-mode poll result, which has Labor up a point on the primary vote to 31%, the Coalition down 2.5% to 46.5% and the Greens down one to 10%. That pans out to 56.5-43.5 on respondent-allocated preferences and 56-44 on previous election preferences.
meher baba@140
You are a negative whinger!
‘Here comes another 3% support for Labor:’
Only if enough people understand how truly nuts the Liberal’s are on this issue.
How do they find out?
Who tells them?
Rose
No matter what you think of Labor’s sales ability this is about technology.
The tech industry wants the NBN and will sell it just as it has been doing up till now.
This is why the Noalition NBN policy has floundered every time.
“@sortius: .@zyzzyvamedia @TurnbullMalcolm I predicted as much when the $90b was leaked. Easy to make up costs to support a substandard #NBN”
@GMegalogenis: . @FionaGruber At same point in their respective years in office, Thatcher’s satisfaction rating was 25%. @JuliaGillard
Morning. James Carlton talking to Paul Bongiorno on RN this morning gave the impression that very little had changed with Newspoll. He said it was within the margin of error of the last one, and the best he could say for Labor was that at least they haven’t got even worse. What?
meher baba @107
[Most people (with the exception of some Green-voting diehard bleeding hearts) accept that {HWMNBN}, Evans and co totally stuffed up asylum seeker policy]
I also agree that {HWMNBN}, Evans & Co totally stuffed up asylum seeker policy — though I’m going to disagree on the nature of the ‘stuff up’. Actually, the ALP have been ‘stuffing up’ asylum seeker policy since 1993 and compounded the ‘stuff up’ seriously in 2001 when Beazley smiled sweetly at Howard and invited him to have his wicked way with the policy.
Under {HWMNBN} children in detention grew to over 5000.
I smell a rat with this Coalition broadband announcement.
Already the Murdoch rags are claiming “half the cost”, which is of course an ambiguous statement: half the cost to build, or half the cost to use?
I suspect that will be left up to the imagination of the public.
All the time in my field of work – designing optics – I find my competitors claiming to have discovered “new laws of optics” that render mine and similar complex designs obsolete, over-priced and over-engineered.
You try to explain that there are no short-cuts, that the photons behave in predictable ways to immutable laws, but there’s always a mug who’ll convince himself that the new guy touting a couple of uncorrected, moulded glass lenses as a solution is a genius. As a result the scammer sells a few units, especially if they’re one-third the price.
We’ve become so used to taking existing technologies and making them work better that it’s assumed there are no ceilings, such as the speed of light. Someone will come along later and prove Einstein wrong.
I fear this will be the same with the NBN.
First, there is the term itself, “NBN”. Labor should have trademarked it, because Turnbull’s use of the letters N, B and N is fraudulent. It makes the punters think the two systems are the same.
Then there is the vision thing.
Fibre To The Node (FTTN) might be OK for today, but will have to rebuilt in a few years. Lots of work for construction companies to go past premises for the third time in 20 years.
We started out with Telstra’s copper, then Foxtel’s fibre, then Optus’ fibre, now Turnbull’s hybrid plan and lastly, when all else has failed (and fail it will) a proper fibre optic network. All since 1995. In confusion is profit.
I have just been listening to an “independent telecommunications expert” on ABC-24 saying there will be “some remediation” needed for the copper network (i.e. it will require constant, expensive maintenance) and now he has just said that he’s a Coalition NBN fan.
It wasn’t hard to guess: he made excuses for the shambles the Coalition will be offering right through his little “analysis”.
The unspecified “new compression techniques” that are going to make Malcolm’s network actually faster than the NBN was a nice touch too. He just dropped that one in, then moved on to the next reason why we have nothing to fear from tacking yet another corroding layer onto the century-old copper network.
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the FIX is in. The “independent” analyst brought onto the morning TV set to give us an unbiased opinion… is a Turnbull fan.
In four brief minutes the ABC ignored its own in-house experts in favour of a be-suited nobody who works for the Liberal Party.
And THAT is the only type of analysis you’ll get. Out of all the thousands of young, talented, switched-on IT geeks in Australia they picked a Tory grandfather.
The rest of the process will involve, as on Lateline last night, argument about the definition of words, gotchas about ancient costing estimates, and – dare I say it? – eventually we’ll be told that the Coalition’s plan is best because, “look at the polls”.
Confusion is the key. Bombard the punters with smooth assurances, tell them their network will be faster, sooner and cheaper, get the spruikers at news to back it, a couple of “independent” analysts to OK it, throw in some down-home homilies about “Rolls Royces” versus “Kingswoods”, and there you go: NBN-Lite. Second best for Australia yet again.
“I mean, we have to be practical don’t we? Labor will lose the election so let’s get on the Turnbull bandwagon.”
We really are a colony, aren’t we?
My motto on the NBN is do it once. Do it right. Coalition plan is a false economy. Inferior product that needs upgrading and will cost more in the long run.
Do it once. Do it right. Simple as that
So #Ruddstoration is gone as the narrative, the latest #Newspoll shows PM is clawing back, slowly but surely via policies & leadership
I think Labor can go in hard with these points regarding the Coalition’s FTTN plan:
– You will continue paying line rental to Telstra (can’t go wrong with bagging Telstra)
– It will be a LOTTERY as to the actual speed you get. The further away from a node the less you get.
– Download speeds max out at 25mb/s (or whatever TurnBULL will claim it can achieve)
– Upload Speeds will suck!!!
– No way to upgrade without MASSIVE personal costs to you
– The copper network is dying. Show pictures of rotting copper (pictures are worth thousands of votes)
– Ugly cabinets everywhere on corners requiring power. Waste of electricity, lowers home value if you are saddled with one nearby.
– People with fibre will get more for their properties. And that isn’t fair to all those aspirational voters that want fibre too.
@TurnbullMalcolm on #ABC702 your FTTN – is like putting lispstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig
@bengrubb: I feel sorry for NBN Co’s head of product and sales John Simon today. His speech at CommsDay conference is at 11.10. Coalition presser at 11
meher baba
Posted Tuesday, April 9, 2013 at 8:07 am:
[I]It won’t be convincing. Past experience shows that the “you’ll never ever get permanent residence no matter how long you stay here” line is an empty threat unless you’ve got an identifiable place to deport them to sooner or later.[/I]
Not so in 2001. You don’t seem to be aware that Howard changed the TPVs at the time of the Tampa legislation to deny Australian citizenship to A/S who had spent 7 days in third transit country.
Three months later in December ’01 the boats suddenly stopped overnight – the people smugglers client base had dried up: no demand = no supply.
The key thing this time will be the words “as long as coalition government is in power”. It will hardly be seen an empty threat among potential P/S clients weighing up paying $12K plus each for the trip. That’s why Morrison’s public statements are so tough, so uncompromising.
Labor government itself knows what’s needed – otherwise it wouldn’t have tried Malaysia solution or the “no disadvantage” test. Labor’s problem is that its constituency won’t wear turning boats back or stringent TPVS. Nor can it adopt the “cruel,inhumane” rhetoric needed to get the message across.
When arrivals start approaching 1000 a WEEK ( as they are this month)this will become big story in lead up to election.
Turnbull’s NBN Plan will two classes of users, one the Govt will pay for your “last mile” and one you have to pay $5000 @Senator_Conroy
The Kouk has some advice for the govt on selling its economic message:
[It is surprising that the Gillard Government is not focusing attention on interest rates as part of selling its economic management credentials.
The Government should be shouting “low interest rates” from the roof tops as a huge economic influence on dealing with cost of living issues for mortgage holders and as a boost to cash flow for the small business sector.
Interest rate levels are a critical part of the economic landscape. Around one third of the population has a mortgage and a fifth have a business loan, on which they all, of course, have to pay interest.]
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4615980.html
He claims lower rates have saved borrowers around $25b in interest payments.
Diogenes
Yes
http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Former-city-councillor-files-for-bankruptcy/2005/04/19/1113854199489.html
@MrDenmore: Millions live with ‘uncertainty’ every day – about our jobs, housing, super, education, health. What makes the business class different?
@Leroy_Lynch: Here it is folks, Malcolm Turnbull’s hybridised “NBN” alternative. Feast your eyes! http://t.co/aVb3FLx54P #auspol #ausbiz #NBN
Abbott says Thatcher was an outstanding PM.
One attack dog praises another.
Stuff social cohesion….. Tick.
Sink the boats if necessary……. Tick.
Punch the unions out….. Tick
A fight is as good as a fuck ….. Tick
Coalition broadband will be like the howard governments failed opel broadband
costing originally was 4 billion then blown out to 20 billion then 30 billion
at the end OPEL never ever existed
@TurnbullMalcolm cant answer:
1. Cost of last mile
2. how many gets last mile free
3. what the max speeds
4. final cost of his NBN
Senator Clouseau Brandis is lying on #Slynews claiming that LNP’s NBN will just as fast as Labor’s NBN
I do wish they’d shut up about Margaret Thatcher.
Annette Funicello – surely we can all agree on the sadness of that loss unless the LoonieLeft/Greens on this site are first checking whether she was the right type of 1950s fe-person icon for their brand of hate-politics.
And on hate – yes they’re out in London today cheering death, just like jihadists. No doubt these LoonieLefties would have cried a river over Stalin’s death.
@GrogsGamut: Anyone who has ever suggested Australia is a sovereign risk should be forced to eat the Behre Dolbear report. http://t.co/qRviJsmgeO
Under the LNP, Aust’s NBN will be a dog’s breakfast of FTTN, copper or fiber last mile, HFC and the carrier pigeons
News ltd is starting to worry its man and the coalition are about to go downwards
if they dont protect them
Classic from the Geek
You can take the @TurnbullMalcolm out of Ozemail, but you can’t take the copper out of Turnbull. #Love #auspol #NBN
Earlier I pointed out some Abbott/Thatcher similarities.
There were of course some stark contrasts as well.
Unlike Abbott, I believe Mrs Thatcher was a truthful person.
And unlike Abbott, she was policy driven, and not a mere weather vane.
Finally, she was a person of conviction whereas Abbott is a person of expedience.
Abbott is altogether a pretty unpleasant character.
“@farrm51: Fewer, slower, cheaper?”
Bar Bar@164, but the Rudd Government overturned Howard’s TPVs and I would assume that most of those who were still on them in 2007 are still here.
And TPVs are not new: they were around in the 1990s and most of the people who were on them back then are still in Australia (unless they chose to go of their own accord or in a few exception cases like the East Timorese on TPVs who were found to have the right of protection in Portugal and who, in any case, mostly went back home eventually after the Indonesians pulled out).
I don’t think the prospect of TPVs will put most potential boat people off their game. If there were still some of the 1990s people still living in Australia on TPVs as second class citizens, then maybe that would be a deterrent.
But would you like to live in a society in which a significant group of people was living and working and yet they and even their children were condemned forever to be second-class citizens denied many of the rights that the rest of us enjoy? I don’t think it’s sustainable, even for a right-wing government.
RoL
“”Only if enough people understand how truly nuts the Liberal’s are on this issue.
How do they find out?
Who tells them?””
Anybody who lives in the home, under the age of 25yrs!.
It was the NBN that convinced Winston and Oakshott to
support Labor!.
On twitter
Do it once Do it right Do it with Fibre @TonyWindsorMP #auspol #nbn
Dear PM @JuliaGillard ask the Aust people, do you want to spend $30B for a dog’s breakfast NBN? @Senator_Conroy @CraigEmersonMP
“@bengrubb: Vodafone CEO Bill Morrow says each mobile tower he builds cost about $200,000 #commsday”
Slow this morning.
I have Malcolm’s Megabits: not bad down, but hopeless up.
This is the future according to the Coalition:
http://pinterest.com/turbojv/fttn-rusting-copper-network/
I’m no techie, but the coalition’s policy looks like yet another one that may be good enough to fool the people into voting for them this time, but will cause them a lot of trouble if they get into power.
Perhaps we will see a lot of people, especially younger ones, turned off conservatism for a long time by Abbott.
TPVs were introduced on 20/10/1999. They had no discernible effect on boat arrivals:
http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/2011-2012/BoatArrivals#AppendB
Oh, and Bar Bar @164, turning back the boats is a nonsense strategy now. The people smugglers have worked out sure totally effective ways to get around it: most simply by completely incapacitating their engines before the customs boats intercept them.
Any boat that gets turned back by an Abbott Government will have been incompetently managed.
You will get the occasional silly intervention by the likes of Tony Kevin claiming that, for instance, the recent incident in which several people drowned overnight could have been avoided if the customs ship had turned on its lights and guided the boat into Xmas Island.
If we ever see an inquiry report on this incident, I strongly suspect we will find that the people operating the boat had incapacitated the engine and that the customs officers rightly waited until daylight before they tried to do anything with the boat at all.
So turning back the boats is a nonsesnse and TPVs won’t work either unless successive governments can maintain a determination over decades that I doubt they will have.
Meanwhile, a regional solution like the proposed Malaysian agreement would give the Government somewhere to send any unauthorised arrival immediately after they land at Xmas Island or wherever. In that environment they could find work, housing (which we could build for them if we wished) and support services (which we could pay for). They would go to the back of a very long queue behind hundreds of thousands of others of whom we would be taking 20-30,000 per year.
They would face a ten year wait or more. And if in the interim they tried to get on another boat, they would be sent back to the end of the queue again.
Made to work properly, it would be a failsafe system. Some on here, like Psephos, would argue that other regional nations aren’t truly interested in it. Yet the Malaysians were prepared to give it a try.
There are probably no fail safe solutions, but it’s the best one I know about.
Business Show on abc calls LNP broadband the scaled back plan
I knew it,Malcom Turnbull has shares in a copper mlne
[Senator Conroy did well to point out it will cost you the customer $5000 to connect fibre to the home under LNP]
If that is true it should be a deadly weapon for the government to use in the NBN debate. But how do we know it’s true? Has it been stated by the opposition anywhere?
Meher baba @191 – that makes sense. We need to develop a regional solution with transit countries. The Malaysia solution would have been a start. The Coalition rejected it because they were afraid that it might work and they wanted the boats to keep coming until the election.
Turnbull’s NBN.(No-Brainer-Negative)is a dog!….It’s 1990’s tech w/1950’s marketting…It’s real “reds under the beds” stuff!
I’ve always believed the right-wing intellect is a regressive intellect!….real “feotal-cringe” stuff!..They’ve always been too shit-scared to exit the womb!…..talk about a soft-dick!
It appears Tony Abbott will announce the steam powered inturtube stuff at 11:00. I bet he takes no questions.
Oh er um – Malcolm help.
[briefly
Posted Monday, April 8, 2013 at 11:24 pm | Permalink
If a decadent and desperate military dictatorship in Argentina had not attacked the Falklands, Thatcher would have been thrown out of office by a disenchanted Tory Party. Like Howard and Bush, she a was a beneficiary of military adventurism]
Very true briefly. The conservatives are very good at that kind of thing.
Darn
[Claiming it did not want “pensioners to subside the internet services of the rich”, the Coalition claims that by putting fibre to a node in the street or the basement of an apartment block it would bring down the overall cost for all Australian taxpayers and internet customers.
And businesses or wealthy homeowners who wanted a rolled gold service could choose to complete the final fibre link to the home or business and pay for it themselves under a “fibre on demand” policy.]
The fibre on demand cost will of course be one of the unknowns, BT charge $5000.
Darn @194
If that is true it should be a deadly weapon for the government to use in the NBN debate. But how do we know it’s true? Has it been stated by the opposition anywhere?
It would be good if that number could be verified by a credible source or even better if it appears somewhere in opposition documentation of the plan. If it does, it would be well and truly buried in “Appendix G” or similar. Too bad we don’t have a media mogul on side, who could simply double the number or make one up and plaster it in huge headlines on all his tabloids.