AAP, for some reason, reveals that the Newspoll to be published in The Australian tomorrow will have the elastic jerking back after the 50-50 anomaly of three weeks ago, with the Coalition now leading 54-46 on two-party preferred from primary votes of 33% for Labor (down three), 45% for the Coalition (up four) and 10% for the Greens (down two). However, Julia Gillard has improved further on her strongly recovering personal ratings last time, holding steady on approval at 36% and dropping two on disapproval to 50%, producing her best net approval rating since April last year. The wide gap which opened on preferred prime minister last time has narrowed only modestly, coming in at 43-33 in Gillard’s favour rather than 46-32. Tony Abbott’s personal ratings have also improved, his approval up three to 33% and disapproval down five to 55%.
Today’s Essential Research had Labor gaining a further point on the primary vote to 37%, with the Coalition steady at 47%. Essential has shown Labor gaining five points on the primary vote over six weeks, to reach a level not seen since March last year. The Coalition’s two-party preferred lead is unchanged at 53-47. Essential has smartly chosen this week to repeat an exercise from a year ago concerning trust in media personalities, finding Alan Jones among the most famous but least trusted (22% trust against 67% do not trust). The others best recognised were Laurie Oakes and George Negus, with the former slightly edging out the latter on trust (72% compared with 69%). Only 17% registered support for funding cuts to the ABC, with around a third each wanting funding maintained or increased. Opinion on government regulation of the media was fairly evenly spread between wanting more, less and the same.
UPDATE (9/10/12): The latest Morgan face-to-face result, combining its surveys over the past two weekends, has Labor down half a point to 37%, the Coalition up 1.5% to 43% and the Greens up half a point to 10.5%. The Coalition’s lead on respondent-allocated preferences is steady at 52-48, but they have gained a point on the 2010 election preferences measure to lead 51-49.
Senate-heavy preselection news:
• Barnaby Joyce’s lower house ambitions for the next election have foundered with Bruce Scott’s determination to serve another term as member for Maranoa. Joyce will not challenge Scott for preselection, saying to do so would be “self-indulgent personality politics”, despite the impression many received from his declared opposition to the locally contentious purchase of the vast Cubbie Station by a consortium led by Chinese interests. Unidentified Nationals quoted by Dennis Shanahan of The Australian “maintain Joyce had the numbers for preselection over Scott but it was going to be an ugly and drawn-out affair”.
• Two of the Queensland Coalition Senators whose terms expire after the next election have announced they will not seek re-election, leaving only 2007 ticket leader Ian MacDonald. Ron Boswell, who has been in the Senate since 1983 and was re-elected from number three in 2007, surprised nobody by announcing that at the age of 70 the time had come to bow out. Andrew Fraser of The Australian reports those in contention to take his place on the LNP Senate ticket include David Goodwin, the Boswell-backed president of the Queensland Chamber of Commerce and Industry, along with LNP vice-president Gary Spence, LNP treasurer Barry O’Sullivan, and Barnaby Joyce staffer Matt Canavan. Liberal Senator Sue Boyce today announced she would not contest the next election as she wished to spend more time with her family, while acknowledging her preselection would have faced opposition from forces who perceive her as too moderate. Steven Scott of the Courier-Mail reported that other applicants are likely to include David Moore, who worked on Campbell Newman’s election campaign. Steven Scott of the Courier-Mail reported that hopefuls for a Senate position included David Moore, an LNP operative whose activities as a lobbyist were recently criticised by Clive Palmer.
• Chris Ketter, state secretary of the Right faction Shop Distributive and Allied Employees Association, has been preselected to top the Queensland Labor Senate ticket. The number one candidate from 2007, Senate President John Hogg, will retire. The second and third elected candidates from last time, Claire Moore and Mark Furner, will retain their old positions, a gloomy prospect for Furner in particular.
• Mark Kenny of The Advertiser reports that Labor in South Australia will not promote Penny Wong to the top of its Senate ticket, despite the “bad look” of having the position instead go to one-time Shop Distributive and Allied Employees Association state secretary Don Farrell on the strength of his Right faction’s control of between 55% and 60% of the votes at the party’s state convention.
• Long-simmering hostilities between the NSW Liberals and Nationals over the seat of Hume have come to an end, with the Nationals agreeing not to field a candidate against Liberal candidate Angus Taylor in his bid to succeed retiring Liberal Alby Schultz. Senator Fiona Nash had most frequently been nominated as a potential candidate, together with state government minister Katrina Hodgkinson.
• Bob Carr told reporters last week that were Robert McClelland to retire in Barton, he could not think of a better candidate to succeed him than his own successor as Premier, Morris Iemma. However, McClelland insists he has no plans to do so.
• As anticipated, former Australian Medical Association president Bill Glasson has been confirmed as the LNP candidate to run against Kevin Rudd in Griffith. Glasson’s father, Bill Glasson Sr, was once Nationals member for the rural seat of Gregory and a minister in the Bjelke-Petersen, Cooper and Ahern governments. Other names mentioned in relation to the preselection were John Haley, Alfio Russo and John Adermann, who stayed with the process to the end, along with Angela Julian-Armitage and Wayne Tsang, who dropped out at an earlier stage.
• The Mercury published extensive results on Saturday for polling of state voting intention in Tasmania, conducted on behalf of the Liberal Party by ReachTEL. The figures, which make for dismal reading for Labor, are detailed below, and have been thoroughly analysed by Kevin Bonham at the Tasmanian Times. The poll also found Liberal leader Will Hodgman favoured by 57.3% ahead of 22.9% for Premier Lara Giddings and 19.8% for Greens leader Nick McKim, and that 34.4% opposed the forestry “peace deal” against 28.2% support.
Lyons Bass Braddon Denison Franklin Total Labor 22.3% 17.4% 23.2% 18.5% 27.6% 22.7% Liberal 55.7% 62.9% 56.8% 36.5% 46.3% 51.5% Greens 13.6% 13.6% 14.6% 23.2% 19.4% 17.7% Other 8.4% 6.1% 5.3% 21.9% 6.7% 8.1% Sample 233 230 232 241 238 1174
[ @BernardKeane Nationals senator Fiona Nash has accused the PM of conducting a “war on men.” ]
[Mr Abbott says all women should regard their virginity as a gift that should not be given lightly.]
if I remember correctly he said given to her husband, don’t know how that applies to his sister.
[lizzie
Posted Friday, October 12, 2012 at 6:58 pm | Permalink
William
Misogyny has a broader meaning than hate nowadays. The msm and the Libs have chosen to take the specific meaning so that they can deny it for sensitiveTone.]
I have read that the Taliban are misogynists, but I don’t believe it, they have daughters and a wife, one comment made is that if you are blessed with three daughters you are a feminist, some Taliban have many wives and many more daughters and if that doesn’t make them feminists I really don’t know what does.
Scarpat@5670
Ah. So the press gallery adjudicated between the press gallery and twitter, and proclaimed the press gallery the winner.
Next up. Christian Kerr pits the press gallery against reality.
Puff TMD,
[Not according to Tony Abbott. I recall him quoted as saying it was one of the reasons he left.]
I wasn’t referring to his time at the seminary, but his statement in early 2010 that he was considering/planning on giving up sex for Lent that year.
This little black duck@5673
Thank you
[I suspect that a great many who would have signed on to “Tony Abbott is a sexist” will baulk at “Tony Abbott hates women” (which is the definition in the dictionary).]
Then perhaps what we need is a 2012-style teach-in on women’s issues … Suddenly the late 1960s seems a long way away.
William Bowe@5800
Most people won’t make the distinction, William. Most people see misogyny as a general attitude against women. Definitions aren’t going to help here.
The Prime Minister has stated that a man’s virginity is a precious gift and should be saved for his marriage night.
[Eric Campbell @ericcampbellfcp
Wow. I’ve just been told what the CFMEU joke was. It’s not even funny]
[Eric Campbell @ericcampbellfcp
Can’t share it. It’s just a defamatory statement]
Aguirre
[Next up. Christian Kerr pits the press gallery against reality.]
As the great All Black captain Ian Kirkpatrick once said. “You can never beat the Welsh, you can only score more points than them”
The fact remains that over the past week we have a number of Coalition MP’s backing Tony Abbott (both Male/Female MPs), but not backing Gillard shows the stupidity of the debate William.
[He may as well have called her a slut.]
never saw it that way kezza, but makes sense hell hath also applies to men, you were not that precious dear.
I suppose that contempt at women being less than men is not really hate. Or is it?
If the Liberals & MSM insist on a literal definition of misogyny as a hatred of women, someone had better bring the Oz into line. It described Peter Slipper as a misogynist on its front page the other day. Unless of course it means that Peter Slipper literally does hate women, in which case it’s possible for a misogynist to be married with female children.
And finally.
[Eric Campbell @ericcampbellfcp
It was a glib remark referring to a rumour for which there is no proof. Tacky and indefensible aside from a random comic ]
lizzie
[@BernardKeane Nationals senator Fiona Nash has accused the PM of conducting a “war on men.” ]
Hmm. A pattern is forming. Coalition men hide in bunkers and send out women to defend them 😆
[Fran Barlow
Posted Friday, October 12, 2012 at 7:08 pm | Permalink
deflationite:
Can we all agree that when someone acts like an @rsehole, they are an @rsehole?
I don’t much like that term either — on a couple of grounds.
]
Just one ground surely?
[William Bowe
Posted Friday, October 12, 2012 at 6:49 pm | Permalink
While I’m being heretical, I also think Gillard erred in repeated referring to “misogyny”. “Sexism” was quite adequate to the task. The idea that Tony Abbott hates women is not going to play outside of the Labor bubble.]
Totally agree William. Big mistake. All it has done is let Abbott off the hook and leave Government members ducking for cover as interviewers line up to quizz them over whether Tony Abbott really hates women. Even I don’t believe that and I can’t stand the man.
The government needs to drop it fast and get back to talking about policy, the economy and the BISONS. That’s where its strength lies and where it has a good story to tell.
Don’t know if you have voted bludgers, what did you think of JGs speech? complete the poll
http://www.nationaltimes.com.au/opinion/gillards-fiery-retort-did-the-mainstream-media-get-it-wrong-20121011-27eqg.html#poll
According to my informal soundings the next set of polls will be either the same or worse for Labor.
My informal soundings have no (NO) reliable or valid psephological basis.
[ William Bowe
Posted Friday, October 12, 2012 at 7:12 pm | Permalink
I’m less concerned with what misogyny actually means than with what it will be perceived to mean where it matters electorally, and I suspect that a great many who would have signed on to “Tony Abbott is a sexist” will baulk at “Tony Abbott hates women” (which is the definition in the dictionary).
]
The number of dictionary reading definitionitists out there is staggering.
They could decide the election. The literate bastards!
[…misogyny can be manifested in numerous ways, including sexual discrimination, denigration of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification of women…]
The dictionary term is outdated by the ownership of the term by feminists who correctly have put a new meaning to the word. The dictionary definition of Gay is not what we accept it to be so why accept misogyny is the same way?
I have been posting on the guardian site in relation to their editorial in praise of Julia Gillard.
They seemed to like this post so I thought I’d paste it here.
Julia Gillard is one of the most honest and competent politicians we’ve ever had and the Murdoch press and fellow traveling shock jocks together with an insipid non Murdoch media sector have portrayed her as Lady Macbeth. At the time of the Rudd challenge in February she gave permission for any journalist to release any confidences they may have and reveal if she ever backgrounded against an opponent or rival. None came forward despite their being a very hostile anti Gillard press.
Gillard set out her agenda in the article set out below in the Australian which is the Murdoch flagship in Australia, a publication which has never made money but is fostered by Murdoch as PR propaganda for conservative causes or anti intellectual causes like denying climate change. The authors are two right wing warriers of the Murdoch camp. Her agenda has been enacted almost to the letter.
The Murdoch campaign has been so successful that the Australian stimulus program which kept Australia out of recession and saved up to 350,000 jobs is seen as a waste. Australia has growth above trend and has jumped from the15h to the 12th largest economy in the world since labor took power. Australia is one of only 7 countries in the world with a triple AAA rated economy from all three rating agencies. It has inflation below 2% and consistenlty had unemployment around 5%. Recent research has Australians as the weathiest people in the world valued at around $190,000 AUD per head. Labor have increased pensions by $4000 in real terms since 2009, cut income taxes by around $2000 for people on an everage wage, bought in paid parental leave, increased childcare subsidies and massively inreased the funding, transparency and quality of health and education as well as now bringing in more funding equity in education through implementing the Gonski reforms, a new national disability insurance scheme and a national broadband network which will bring in around $6 billion in income in 2020 and increasing therafter as a much needed revenue source for future governements to fund the priorities of the time.. Yet the Murdoch press has us living in a cost of living nightmare with an incompetent, dishonest and hysterical ‘woman’ in charge with poor judgement. Alan Jones the shock jock rants that “women are destroying the joint”
The article below published a day before the last election shows the Prime Minister’s carbon price promise which she has kept by introducing an ETS which will be linked into the European scheme. The disingenuous and simple minded, with the help of Murdoch and Co have portayed a three year fixed price transition period as a tax and have hysterically run a “she lied” campaign. A truly awful campaign but one which resonates with the more simple minded of our folk.
Aussie Aussiie Aussie oi oi oi – …..rue Brittania
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-carbon-price-promise/story-fn59niix-1225907522983
I know, EU wins the Nobel Peace Prize for the No Fly Zone and Bombing of Libya
Space Kidette
[Don’t know if you have voted bludgers, what did you think of JGs speech? complete the poll]
A pretty loaded set of response option 🙁
[Loved it – long overdue
Nice to see her passion, but can’t ignore that it was in defence of Slipper
OK, but appeared motivated by self interest
Hated it – it was all a political ploy]
[The Gettysburg address by Lincoln also received some very partisan reviews. As per Wikipedia
Other public reaction to the speech was divided along partisan lines]
As was also very much the case for Pericles’ Funeral oration; delivered in an Athens with a conservative opposition, led by Thucydides (NOT the historian) even more embittered than Abbott’s – and so vocal we can still read the vitriol. Yet c2500 years later, Pericles’ defence of democracy and justice still resonates with every one who treasures the Athenian Legacy (my AH classes read in conjunction with Lincoln’s Address, and never failed to be moved by both).
Elizabeth I would never have made her Tilbery speech if proCatholic, proSpanish (& easily bought) English men (& women) hadn’t organised nation-wide resistance (with Spanish Jesuit & French help) which would facilitate a Spanish conquest. Like Pericles’ and Lincoln’s, her words still resonate – enough, in my case, to read EiR’s speech again after I heard PM Gillard’s – and to re-read one of Dad’s favourite poems (substituting “women” & “sister”in the relevant places). BTW, given Julia’s father was a poetry tragic who read his children poems, I’ll bet she also heard her father read it (and Kipling’s If)
[Not enjoyment, and not sorrow,
Is our destined end or way;
But to act, that each tomorrow
Find us farther than today…
In the world’s broad field of battle,
In the bivouac of Life,
Be not like dumb, driven cattle!
Be a hero in the strife …
Lives of great men all remind us
We can make our lives sublime,
And, departing, leave behind us
Footprints on the sand of time;
Footprints, that perhaps another,
Sailing o’er life’s solenm main,
A forlorn and shipwrecked brother,
Seeing, shall take heart again.
Let us then be up and doing,
With a heart for any fate;
Still achieving, still pursuing,
Learn to labor and to wait.]
Longfellow’s Psalm of life
It’s time, not politicians or their critics, which decides what resonates through the ages. No more than Pericles’ or EiR’s political enemies do we know whether PM Julia Gillard’s speech stands Time’s test.
But we do know that it’s already etched into more than a million minds, many of which already seem to be inspired, energised, activated by it.
[one comment made is that if you are blessed with three daughters you are a feminist]
I have three daughters and don’t see myself as a feminist, I just want the best for my kids and encourage them to do whatever they want and don’t take crap from anyone.
I’ve told them oz is a sexist misogynistic nation, you have to warn your kids of what the real world is like. I’ve told them of the crap I have seen women have to put up with.
[castle
Posted Friday, October 12, 2012 at 7:18 pm | PERMALINK
He may as well have called her a slut.
never saw it that way kezza, but makes sense hell hath also applies to men, you were not that precious dear.]
Makes sense though, doesn’t it?
Abbott never said anything about the preciousness of virginity until he’d been DNA’ed out of his always-thought-to-be son’s life.
Hypocrite.
A raw nerve seems to have been exposed in William re Abbott – probably comes from inhabiting the “bubble” of academia. As Abbott does not respect women and thinks them lower than men, he is clearly a misogynist.
Sydney by-election
There are 5 candidates for the by-election (there were 7 in the 2011 state general election).
In order of the ballot paper:
[Robyn Peebles – Fred Nile
Alex Greenwich – Independent (endorsed by Clover, outgoing MP)
Chris Harris – Greens
Shayne Mallard – Liberals
Glenn Wall – independent]
Robyn Peebles is a serial candidate (most recently in the Heffron by-election), based in Marsden Park (yeah I’m a chai-latte sipper, but I did use google maps to find that; near Ryde, so rather non-local). A quick google search turned up the following quote:
[The idea that homosexuals can confidently promote their lifestyle and enforce their union as a “marriage” to be supported and practiced is “the deterioration of any society” (Ps. Robyn Peebles, spokesperson for CDP).]
http://stshenoudamonastery.org.au/homosexual-marriage-prayer-rally/
That should go down a treat in the electorate. As a reminder, Alex Greenwich was until recently the national convenor of same-sex marriage.
Glenn Wall is from Barigan (again, google informs me, and I have no basis to doubt its veracity, located near Mudgee, 339.1km or approximately 4 hrs 53 mins from Sydney). Other than that, no idea who he is; google search is inconclusive.
At the margin, the ballot looks slightly beneficial for Alex Greenwich. If there is a donkey vote in an OPV system, he will benefit over Liberals and Greens.
Fred Nile will take some votes from Liberals I guess (they had 56% exhaustion rate at the general election). However, there vote is likely to be rather small – they had the second lowest primary vote at the general election, just ahead of quite possibly the only more improbable party for the seat of Sydney, the Fishers and Shooters.
Sohar
[As Abbott does not respect women and thinks them lower than men, he is clearly a misogynist.]
I like the traditional “Male chauvinist pig”. Music time.
[Roy Harper – Male Chauvinist Pig Blues
MCP Blues from Valentine – 1974. With Jimmy Page on slide guitar]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KMGtu8BWJ8
[As the great All Black captain Ian Kirkpatrick once said. “You can never beat the Welsh, you can only score more points than them”]
Hirohito, announcing Japan’s surrender, said:
[The war has gone, not necessarily to Japan’s advantage …]
Poroti,
[Hmm. A pattern is forming.]
Who will be the next Coalition woman to the breach? Ms Mirabella?
Rummel is coming to Melbourne on the 28th Oct (not confirmed). Anyone for Dinner with a right wing spam bot 🙂
Sorry – correction to 5831
Robyn Peebles is from Melrose Park
Thanks gough1
[Robyn Peebles – Fred Nile]
Fred Nile said of the labor bill to make rape in marriage illegal would lead to the destruction of families and society as we know it.
[xism” was quite adequate to the task. The idea that Tony Abbott hates women is not going to play outside of the Labor bubble.}
william you seem a bit worried
but look at At Lizzies defination she found on line
that will explain it better for you.,
i still not think you get it,
may be ask you mum what she thinks and do you have sisters.
Fran Barlow
[Hirohito, announcing Japan’s surrender, said:
The war has gone, not necessarily to Japan’s advantage …]
Sheesh and the Brits reckon they are champeens of understatement 🙂
my god i just stumbled on a web site that seems to be all men.
critising the pm re her speech,
i didnt know such things are said in this country
i will not be giving link/
i feel sick
Is this relevant?
[GoneHomer @GoneHomeR
Is Abbott joke more/less offensive defamatory than cartoon of Gillard with Strapon that was referenced to in all mainstream media? #auspol]
Fran Barlow
Although it reads quite complimentary to the Welsh it was a comment made in the context that no matter the score the Welsh screamed “We Woz Robbed.All Blacks = Cheats”………. “Boyo” 🙂
Darn@5819
They already have, Darn. Show me one government MP seeking to prolong this issue, and I’ll show you five from the other side. It’s the Coalition keeping this issue alive.
I’ll give you the timeline:
Tuesday – Abbott seeks to make some mileage out of Slipper, attempting to paint him as a misogynist and disrupting QT entirely to put the whole thing to a vote. Gillard gives magnificent speech to the effect of: “I’m not going to have a man with your track record lecture me on misogyny, and here’s why.” Coalition skulk into the corner to work out how they’re going to play this disaster.
Tuesday Night – Nobody in the press wants to talk about politics, or even procedural issues relevant to Slipper’s speakership. They just want to talk sexism, which is what both Albanese and Plibersek are forced to do, enduring taunts of ‘hypocrite’ from interviewers who should know better.
Wednesday-Friday – Coalition members launch assault on media, taking any opportunity they can to either belittle Gillard’s speech or accuse ALP of hypocrisy. Press launches with glee onto a joke they won’t repeat but which they assure us all is disgusting and misogynist, and demands to know what the ALP are going to do about it. ALP duly condemn it, then move on. Coalition/Press refuse to move on, dwelling on questions of government hypocrisy and misogyny for the remainder of the week.
Press also lick wounds, because social media and international press have shown them up to be completely out of touch. Press lashes out at all and sundry because they are precious – sorry, that should read because only they have the skillset necessary to put things in ‘context’.
my say
It’s surprising to learn how much women are hated, isn’t it.
But rest assured they’re in the minority.
But boy are they hateful in the extreme. And men on this site should infiltrate and take them down.
[my say
Posted Friday, October 12, 2012 at 7:34 pm | PERMALINK
my god i just stumbled on a web site that seems to be all men.
critising the pm re her speech,
i didnt know such things are said in this country
i will not be giving link/
i feel sick]
Mysay, i am sorry to say there is a lot of that that goes on. As much as Team Left have been harping on about “new media” being good, there is also a very deep area for other ideas to flourish. There is a deep heated hatred for almost every thing you can think of, you just need to look around on the net and you will find it. There is also a deep seated hatred of Gillard out there which is beyond what she has ever done that would fall into the misogynistic class. Its wrong but its out there and it makes me look like a generally nice chap.
[I have three daughters and don’t see myself as a feminist]
My Dad have five (+ 2 sons). Never do I remember his ever expecting more, or less, from any of us: he was the epitome of an equal opportunity, equal expectation father.
William Bowe 5800
Not really. After all:
“a great many who would have signed on to “Julia Gillard is a breaker of promises” will baulk at “Julia Gillard is a liar” (which is not the definition in the dictionary).
Willaim – sorry if someone else has answered this but the new usage of ‘misogyny’ includes meanings other than hatred of women. Mike Seccombe wrote a good piece on it today and he has explained how women see it nowdays
http://www.theglobalmail.org/blog/word-of-the-day/421/
From experience in my working life I know that there are many men who are all sweetness and light to their wives, daughters and female family members. They are loving and kind to those around them but put them against some other women and they are exactly the opposite.
I still see some of these supposed pillars of society when doing community work and it pains me to see them when I know there are women outside their family who have suffered from their behaviour.
I think women instinctively feel Abbott is one such man. He has shown on occasion that he is – so sexist and misogynist applies to him, IMHO
All the discussion here about Ms Gillard’s speech reminds me of Peter Cook’s comment on “those wonderful Berlin cabarets… which did so much to stop the rise of Hitler and prevent the outbreak of the Second World War”.
I thought it was, by modern parliamentary standards, a very good speech, extremely well delivered.
Whether it will swing votes, and if so which way, is an entirely different issue. Quite clear, some people who like Ms Gillard found it exhilarating, and people who dislike her found it hypocritical. People will see in it what they want to see.
The ALP supporters here who have been drawing comparisons with some of Paul Keating’s speeches should be careful what they wish for. Maybe they found them exciting at the time, but for lots of voters they were a major turnoff. Keating’s bombastic approach was one factor in the blowback that led to the rise of One Nation, something which never looked at all likely in Bob Hawke’s day.