The sample size (550 respondents) and margin of error (about 4.2 per cent) are such that you would want to treat it with caution, but a new Morgan phone poll has turned up remarkably poor results for the government: Labor’s primary vote is on just 30 per cent against 47 per cent for the Coalition and 13.5 per cent for the Greens, with the Coalition leading on two-party preferred 55-45. The poll was conducted over Wednesday and Thursday evenings.
UPDATE: Morgan has issued further data on personal ratings which shows Julia Gillard failing to take the hit on personal ratings you would expect from the numbers on voting intention, which further inclines me to treat the poll with suspicion. Julia Gillard’s approval rating is 48 per cent with 39 per cent disapproval, while Tony Abbott’s numbers are 48 per cent and 41 per cent. Gillard holds a 46-40 lead as preferred prime minister. Respondents were also asked to nominate their preferred leaders for the Labor and Liberal parties. Julia Gillard is favoured as Labor leader by 33 per cent against 20 per cent for Kevin Rudd, compared with 35 per cent and 25 per cent shortly after the federal election. Malcolm Turnbull remains favoured ahead of Tony Abbott as Liberal leader overall, by 31 per cent (down a point) to 23 per cent (up two). In both cases supporters of the party were happier with the incumbent. If Gillard were removed from the picture, 27 per cent would favour Rudd, 14 per cent Wayne Swan, 13 per cent Stephen Smith and 11 per cent Bill Shorten. Without Abbott, 39 per cent would favour Turnbull, 30 per cent Joe Hockey and 11 per cent Julie Bishop.
vera@98
Apparently he had been told he was back in the test team before his second innings duck for NSW. Not sure if that’s better or worse.
[Whats the chance of Jooles finding an Australian law that Assange has broken and making fools out of all of them ?]
It will be better for her if she finds no law to shanghai him with.
Will we see a leak showing advice to the PM that there is no law broken, but the Govt proceeded anyway saying the opposite. Haneef all over. Watch your step Julia.
Truly, this type of BS is sickening. Some of you would rather see Tone as PM than Julia. A bloody disgrace. The hatred is pathetic.
Gary
The next election isn’t for a while
But the next bi-election could be anytime
[Oakshot has now joined Wilkie in a critique of Gillard,who in fact hangs by a thread !]
Maybe, but so long as Labor is behind — the Indies will back them because it gives the Indies power.
As Oakeshott was at pains to say in his ‘decision’ spiel — Abbott will go straight to an election as soon as the think they are guaranteed of a win. Thus the Indies lose all their traction. Not gonna happen.
[Im not surprised Gillard and McClelland so like they are ]
Interesting. Their response to Assange based on what they think might be in the cables. If really bad stuff, then make him a real bad criminal…..
That would really make her Julia Howard.
[But the next bi-election could be anytime]
And what are the odds it’s in a marginal Labor seat?
[Some of you would rather see Tone as PM than Julia]
The difference between Labor and Liberal is shrinking all the time. And Ms Gillard has been showing a very conservative temperament since taking over.
[Having rea d a few more posts it’s obvious the JG haters are having a ball. Who needs the Libs when you have Labor supporters like we have here?
Falling apart? LOL.]
Gary – don’t count me in that. As much as I like Kev I’m still shirty at the way he ignored everyone except himself. He’s doing OK now but he has no responsibility for the polls now – the pressure is off him so he can say what he wants to.
If only he’d had the sense to realise that others were competent to handle their own portfolios things may have been different. I like seeing other Ministers now out and about talking about their work. Sorry, kev, your gorgeous but ….
Gary
Rudd might decide to give all his ALP pals a Xmas present for their loyalty and dedication during the year
Anything is preferable to an Abbott Government, but it’s rather sad that the Gillard administration is so uninspiring & bland, and actually far more media driven than Rudd was.
Other than Rudd, Emerson and Combet, the cabinet don’t exactly give you much confidence to deliver on anything substantial.
Thomas Paine,
[But what we are seeing is that Rudd really was/is a top performer in front of the camera and able to get his message across in his way. But more pertinent is the lack of adequate media presence elsewhere in the party.]
You only have to go back as far as the health debate with Abbott to realise just how good Rudd really is at getting a message across and how far advanced from the rest of them he really was.
In years to come this will probably get labelled as, “The Gillard Experiment”!
[Thus the Indies lose all their traction. Not gonna happen.]
As I foreshadowed earlier.
And the worry in this for Labor will be that Wilkie will hold this issue very dear, having suffered through the experience himself and realising Assange’s experience is much worse.
And it doesn’t help that Gillard/McClelland are behaving very Howard like on this.
Do not assume that Wilkie will get to a stage beyond which he can bear their USA first position.
Do not assume that Wilkie will not get to a stage beyond which he cannot bear their USA first position.
[You only have to go back as far as the health debate with Abbott to realise just how good Rudd really is at getting a message across and how far advanced from the rest of them he really was.]
Then how come he lost so much support over 2010? He was criticised by many here for not being able to get a message across. Geez you people are wearing rose coloured glasses.
If I was the Liberals, I am much more scared of Rudd at an election campaign then Julia, Both the Real and Fake Julia
[If I was the Liberals, I am much more scared of Rudd at an election campaign then Julia, Both the Real and Fake Julia]
That is BS and you know it.
Why did Gillard make those ridiculous statements about illegality that were immediately exposed as such by the next question. And why did McClelland carry on like a pork chop too?
There is no rational explanation, except that the US wanted them to, or they assumed the US wanted them to. It makes them both look like bumbling toadies.
It’s alright to bumble; and it’s alright to be a toady, but it looks terrible to be both at the same time.
Regarding the cricket I hope Australia lose the Ashes series, because they are making the very mistakes we use to laugh at the pom for doing. By dropping players and then losing, then recalling them back the next test etc.
I thought this summer would be a reality check for Australia even when there was back slapping going on last summer while beating pakistan and the west indies. Lets be honest since South Africa came over here and won the wheels have been coming off.
Countries over the years have watched Australia and have learnt from them and come up with ideas of their own to make their cricket stronger. While Australia have stopped and have become victims of their own success.
As for this poll i’m not to worried at this stage.
[Do not assume that Wilkie will not get to a stage beyond which he cannot bear their USA first position.]
And you know this how?
[Re Oprah: Isn’t it nauseating when politicians of all stripes try to curry favour with TV/Sports stars?]
Guys — while I am no fan of Oprah — the Govt paid millions to get her out here through Tourism Aust.
No reason why pollies shouldn’t add some weight. They mentioned it several times in QT because they see the tourism benefit as massive, and a much better spend of taxpayer dollars, in terms of advertising, than all the campaigns since Hoges’s ‘barbie’
Dio –
I heard day or so ago the US had declined to tell Gillard & Co what was in the cables ?
Where / when did you hear the info had been made available ?
dovif
Go stand in the norty boys’ corner with our evan 😀
[Gary – don’t count me in that. As much as I like Kev I’m still shirty at the way he ignored everyone except himself. He’s doing OK now but he has no responsibility for the polls now – the pressure is off him so he can say what he wants to.
If only he’d had the sense to realise that others were competent to handle their own portfolios things may have been different. I like seeing other Ministers now out and about talking about their work. Sorry, kev, your gorgeous but ….]
I agree with you BH. I have a lot of time for Kev. I wouldn’t take too much notice of this poll. It is BS.
Gary
Rudd can get his point accross much better than Julia, Rudd can be a vote changer, Julia is a safe pair of hands, can be manage, but as the “real Julia” thing show she does not have the instinct of Rudd
Rudd is a salesman, he is a closer, his problem was he sold too much in the first election campaign, and his ALP team delivered a lot of it badly, and Rudd got blame for it. If the likes of Gillard and the guy who definitely was not burning the midnight oil did better, Rudd would still be PM
Kev may not come home
he might shack up with Lula down in Rio
Gary@115
Rudd certainly wasn’t likely to be able to get any message across to the Americans for a start, with Arbib secretly white-anting him to US spies (as a protected source) from 2009.
I wonder whether Arbib’s determination to dump the ETS in April came from the CIA?
[Rudd can get his point accross much better than Julia, Rudd can be a vote changer, Julia is a safe pair of hands, can be manage, but as the “real Julia” thing show she does not have the instinct of Rudd
Rudd is a salesman, he is a closer, his problem was he sold too much in the first election campaign, and his ALP team delivered a lot of it badly, and Rudd got blame for it. If the likes of Gillard and the guy who definitely was not burning the midnight oil did better, Rudd would still be PM]
You’ve only become a Rudd supporter because it’s a good stirring implement. Nothing more, nothing less. Where was your support and generosity when he was PM? To you he was the worst PM we’ve had. So don’t give me that crap.
Just waiting for my cab.
Guys the reason JG was popular as deputy was because the focus of the media and the coalition was on bagging the PM which was Rudd. Rudd is now popular because the focus is on bagging the PM which is now Julia.
How soon fact gets lost amongst the noise.
The PM has never said Assange has broken Australian law. The closest she has got is to make the statement that the AFP was looking into the matter to see if he has.
Any statement on illegality up to this point has been in reference to US law.
Wilke is angry with the government at this moment which is his right. He has never said that he would support the government on everything and has made the statement that this issue is not a game breaker.
I think we should all take a deep breath on this poll and relax in time for Christmas.
[Rudd certainly wasn’t likely to be able to get any message across to the Americans for a start, with Arbib secretly white-anting him to US spies (as a protected source) from 2009.]
White anting? Give me the proof please in detail.
[Abbott has been around for a long time and knows where the bodies are buried so I suspect he has an idea of what is to come.]
I have a theory that the MSM have started with Rudd & co to blunt public reaction when the coalition stuff starts emerging.
So far, the leaks from Faifax are pretty much non-events … but the first impression is anti-Labor. I bet they’re hoping the rest will go under the radar and save some opps hides.
Doyley – 130. Correct.
jaundiced view,
[Why did Gillard make those ridiculous statements about illegality that were immediately exposed as such by the next question. And why did McClelland carry on like a pork chop too?
There is no rational explanation, except that the US wanted them to, or they assumed the US wanted them to. It makes them both look like bumbling toadies.
It’s alright to bumble; and it’s alright to be a toady, but it looks terrible to be both at the same time. ]
Unfortunately it just fits so well into the meme that Laurie Oakes spelt out in his Walkely speech.
And by these polling figures, the electorate thinks so too.
Dave
I don’t think Gillard got all the files, just the ones relevant to Oz. She definitely said she had thousands of bits of info to sift through. I think that was during her mow infamous “illegal” press conf.
Thomas – you’d better listen to McClelland’s presser today. You may then understand what he and Gillard are saying.
He said the gossipy cables are nothing and he’s happy for them to be out in public but he asks that editorial consideration be given to those cables which may put our security in danger as is the case with many ME people named in cables.
Analogy – if a public servant released classified information in Australia which put our security at risk (and it was found to be so) then that is a criminal act, ergo, whoever originally released the US stuff has acted illegally. It is now up to the journos to report accurately. I doubt they will because once the mob is stirred the journos love it.
When Wilkie came out about Iraq he did not say anything that would put our security in danger. He was worried about manipulation of the truth and he was right to come out about it.
Didn’t someone on PB say that most of the leaks were from 2004 to 2010?
Howie and co would be home free if this is the case
[Not definitive I know but indicates that this issue may well have some measurable effect to the negative for Gillard. Especially if Assange has to spend Christmas in a Swedish/USA prison. That would be the absolute pits for Gillard, though not her fault.]
You’re assuming the average Joe Blow thinks Julia wants to put him in gaol.
A: that is actually what she said — she said the leaking was illegal and she didn’t name Assange directly as far as I know — that is assumption by you, and the press (surprise surprise — our press aren’t lazy are they?)
and B: we might follow the intricacies here, but Joe Blow just sees a headline … maybe another paragraph … they won’t care too hoot a few weeks from now.
[Unfortunately it just fits so well into the meme that Laurie Oakes spelt out in his Walkely speech.
And by these polling figures, the electorate thinks so too.]
Amazing. When a poll you like comes out it doesn’t matter how questionable it is you’ll support it.
A great explanation of the causes of the GFC.
http://www.thepunch.com.au/
I like Julia but it does appear that she and McClelland have handled this very poorly in the first instance.
It says more about the people advising the PM than Gillard herself I would think. Is Bitar still running things? Arbib also comes across very badly in the media and should be dumped forthwith.
All in all I think it matters little in the long run. The real issue is the MSM rather than wikileaks and staying on the current course will ultimately end in disaster.
I so think the ALP are starting to realise this, however, and I’ve seen some small signs of improvements with ministers sticking up for themselves more in interviews.
On Wednesday I caught a segment on ABC24 with some Liberal smear-merchant-clone and Mike Kelly. Kelly was very good IMO and really served it up to the Lib guy for playing petty politics and trying to derail the MDB scheme. This approach needs to be ramped up and followed for the next 3 years.
Gary
“In October 2009, as Mr Rudd’s popular support began to sag, Senator Arbib openly canvassed emerging leadership tensions within the government, telling US envoys that Mr Rudd wanted “to ensure that there are viable alternatives to Gillard within the Labor Party to forestall a challenge”.
Senator Arbib added that Mr Rudd still appreciated Ms Gillard’s strengths, while an another unidentified adviser to the Labor prime minister told US diplomats that “while the PM respects Gillard, his reluctance to share power will eventually lead to a falling-out, while Gillard will not want to acquiesce in creating potential rivals”.
In June this year, Senator Arbib and other Labor Right figures moved to depose Mr Rudd from the leadership, precipitating the events that led to Ms Gillard’s becoming Prime Minister.”
http://www.theage.com.au/national/arbib-revealed-as-secret-us-source-20101208-18prg.html
[Rudd is a salesman, he is a closer, his problem was he sold too much in the first election campaign, and his ALP team delivered a lot of it badly, and Rudd got blame for it. If the likes of Gillard and the guy who definitely was not burning the midnight oil did better, Rudd would still be PM]
dovif – Kev is no longer PM because he was a bloody useless salesmen. Every day the media rubbished his longwinded statements (which I liked BTW). They ridiculed his language and everything else they could think of, including his glass jaw – and he certainly has got one.
Where were you living through Oct 2009 to June 2010. Everything he touched turned to mud and was reported as such. The bloke had no chance and buckleys with them. He overpromised and was like a kid in a candy store – hopped into the next jar before the first one was completed. Sad but true.
I feel I’m entitled to comment – I’m a member and I have to do some of the hard yards explaining why my support stays strong – gawd, kev, the more I think of it the more my boot is ready to hit your backside for not listening. Even Tanner couldn’t get through. What does that say.
I’m orf out dovif – belt me one if you like.
[Other than Rudd, Emerson and Combet, the cabinet don’t exactly give you much confidence to deliver on anything substantial.]
Rubbish Evan! If the govt one 10th of the coalitions media airtime, everyone here would be talking out the other side of their mouths.
Like me, and a few others, you guys should be protesting to the media networks about their lack of balance (and I don’t mean just time, but content). Tell them that the onlne media will steal all their air if they keep misreporting. Then start spamming them and yelling loud and clear on the e-blogs that you are petitioning everyone you know to cease buying/watching mainstream press and to sell down their shares
Gary
I hated Rudd, because with him, I believe the Liberals were no chance. I was on record saying that, even when the Liberals were leading, they always give an elected PM another chance, because Australians do not like to admit they were wrong. Julia might win a “Honeymoon” election, but she really does not perform very well
When Rudd was PM, I enjoyed listening to what he said, he was entertaining. With Julia, I do not listen to what she says, when she is on tv. I think a lot of Australians does that
OK Gary, why are these polls like this?
All Kevvie’s fault eh? Bullsh!t Gary and you know it.
Stop trying to defend the indefensible and get hold of a bit of reality for once.
There are a number of people here that make The Australian journalists look unbiased and professional. Grabbing gleefully on a questionable bad poll for Labor, twisting JG’s words and making assumptions based on the slimmest of evidence all because they didn’t like JG becoming PM at Kev’s expense. Well tough.
[I wonder whether Arbib’s determination to dump the ETS in April came from the CIA?]
I think that is much closer to the truth than we would like to think. Rudd had a DD up his sleeve and a chance to force it through. A DD at the time was a good bet and the opportunity also to get a compliant Senate.
SO did we get an emergency message from ‘higher’ powers to stop a DD and also shelve the ETS.
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« Newspoll: 50-50
Morgan phone poll: 55-45 to Coalition
Friday, December 10, 2010 – 2:23 pm, by William Bowe
The sample size (550 respondents) and margin of error (about 4.2 per cent) are such that you would want to treat it with caution, but a new Morgan phone poll has turned up remarkably poor results for the government: Labor’s primary vote is on just 30 per cent against 47 per cent for the Coalition and 13.5 per cent for the Greens, with the Coalition leading on two-party preferred 55-45. The poll was conducted over Wednesday and Thursday evenings.
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jaundiced view
Posted Friday, December 10, 2010 at 3:51 pm | Permalink
vera@98
Hughes out for a duck 2nd innings against SA
hmm and he’s back in the test squad!
Apparently he had been told he was back in the test team before his second innings duck for NSW. Not sure if that’s better or worse.
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Thomas Paine
Posted Friday, December 10, 2010 at 3:52 pm | Permalink
Whats the chance of Jooles finding an Australian law that Assange has broken and making fools out of all of them ?
It will be better for her if she finds no law to shanghai him with.
Will we see a leak showing advice to the PM that there is no law broken, but the Govt proceeded anyway saying the opposite. Haneef all over. Watch your step Julia.
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Gary
Posted Friday, December 10, 2010 at 3:52 pm | Permalink
Truly, this type of BS is sickening. Some of you would rather see Tone as PM than Julia. A bloody disgrace. The hatred is pathetic.
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dovif
Posted Friday, December 10, 2010 at 3:52 pm | Permalink
Gary
The next election isn’t for a while
But the next bi-election could be anytime
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jenauthor
Posted Friday, December 10, 2010 at 3:53 pm | Permalink
Oakshot has now joined Wilkie in a critique of Gillard,who in fact hangs by a thread !
Maybe, but so long as Labor is behind — the Indies will back them because it gives the Indies power.
As Oakeshott was at pains to say in his ‘decision’ spiel — Abbott will go straight to an election as soon as the think they are guaranteed of a win. Thus the Indies lose all their traction. Not gonna happen.
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Thomas Paine
Posted Friday, December 10, 2010 at 3:54 pm | Permalink
Im not surprised Gillard and McClelland so like they are
Interesting. Their response to Assange based on what they think might be in the cables. If really bad stuff, then make him a real bad criminal…..
That would really make her Julia Howard.
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Gary
Posted Friday, December 10, 2010 at 3:55 pm | Permalink
But the next bi-election could be anytime
And what are the odds it’s in a marginal Labor seat?
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Thomas Paine
Posted Friday, December 10, 2010 at 3:56 pm | Permalink
Some of you would rather see Tone as PM than Julia
The difference between Labor and Liberal is shrinking all the time. And Ms Gillard has been showing a very conservative temperament since taking over.
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BH
Posted Friday, December 10, 2010 at 3:56 pm | Permalink
Having rea d a few more posts it’s obvious the JG haters are having a ball. Who needs the Libs when you have Labor supporters like we have here?
Falling apart? LOL.
Gary – don’t count me in that. As much as I like Kev I’m still shirty at the way he ignored everyone except himself. He’s doing OK now but he has no responsibility for the polls now – the pressure is off him so he can say what he wants to.
If only he’d had the sense to realise that others were competent to handle their own portfolios things may have been different. I like seeing other Ministers now out and about talking about their work. Sorry, kev, your gorgeous but ….
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dovif
Posted Friday, December 10, 2010 at 3:57 pm | Permalink
Gary
Rudd might decide to give all his ALP pals a Xmas present for their loyalty and dedication during the year
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evan14
Posted Friday, December 10, 2010 at 3:57 pm | Permalink
Anything is preferable to an Abbott Government, but it’s rather sad that the Gillard administration is so uninspiring & bland, and actually far more media driven than Rudd was.
Other than Rudd, Emerson and Combet, the cabinet don’t exactly give you much confidence to deliver on anything substantial.
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scorpio
Posted Friday, December 10, 2010 at 3:57 pm | Permalink
Thomas Paine,
But what we are seeing is that Rudd really was/is a top performer in front of the camera and able to get his message across in his way. But more pertinent is the lack of adequate media presence elsewhere in the party.
You only have to go back as far as the health debate with Abbott to realise just how good Rudd really is at getting a message across and how far advanced from the rest of them he really was.
In years to come this will probably get labelled as, “The Gillard Experiment”!
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Thomas Paine
Posted Friday, December 10, 2010 at 3:59 pm | Permalink
Thus the Indies lose all their traction. Not gonna happen.
As I foreshadowed earlier.
And the worry in this for Labor will be that Wilkie will hold this issue very dear, having suffered through the experience himself and realising Assange’s experience is much worse.
And it doesn’t help that Gillard/McClelland are behaving very Howard like on this.
Do not assume that Wilkie will get to a stage beyond which he can bear their USA first position.
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Thomas Paine
Posted Friday, December 10, 2010 at 4:00 pm | Permalink
Do not assume that Wilkie will not get to a stage beyond which he cannot bear their USA first position.
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Gary
Posted Friday, December 10, 2010 at 4:00 pm | Permalink
You only have to go back as far as the health debate with Abbott to realise just how good Rudd really is at getting a message across and how far advanced from the rest of them he really was.
Then how come he lost so much support over 2010? He was criticised by many here for not being able to get a message across. Geez you people are wearing rose coloured glasses.
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dovif
Posted Friday, December 10, 2010 at 4:00 pm | Permalink
If I was the Liberals, I am much more scared of Rudd at an election campaign then Julia, Both the Real and Fake Julia
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Gary
Posted Friday, December 10, 2010 at 4:01 pm | Permalink
If I was the Liberals, I am much more scared of Rudd at an election campaign then Julia, Both the Real and Fake Julia
That is BS and you know it.
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jaundiced view
Posted Friday, December 10, 2010 at 4:01 pm | Permalink
Why did Gillard make those ridiculous statements about illegality that were immediately exposed as such by the next question. And why did McClelland carry on like a pork chop too?
There is no rational explanation, except that the US wanted them to, or they assumed the US wanted them to. It makes them both look like bumbling toadies.
It’s alright to bumble; and it’s alright to be a toady, but it looks terrible to be both at the same time.
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Kezza
Posted Friday, December 10, 2010 at 4:02 pm | Permalink
Regarding the cricket I hope Australia lose the Ashes series, because they are making the very mistakes we use to laugh at the pom for doing. By dropping players and then losing, then recalling them back the next test etc.
I thought this summer would be a reality check for Australia even when there was back slapping going on last summer while beating pakistan and the west indies. Lets be honest since South Africa came over here and won the wheels have been coming off.
Countries over the years have watched Australia and have learnt from them and come up with ideas of their own to make their cricket stronger. While Australia have stopped and have become victims of their own success.
As for this poll i’m not to worried at this stage.
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Gary
Posted Friday, December 10, 2010 at 4:02 pm | Permalink
Do not assume that Wilkie will not get to a stage beyond which he cannot bear their USA first position.
And you know this how?
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jenauthor
Posted Friday, December 10, 2010 at 4:03 pm | Permalink
Re Oprah: Isn’t it nauseating when politicians of all stripes try to curry favour with TV/Sports stars?
Guys — while I am no fan of Oprah — the Govt paid millions to get her out here through Tourism Aust.
No reason why pollies shouldn’t add some weight. They mentioned it several times in QT because they see the tourism benefit as massive, and a much better spend of taxpayer dollars, in terms of advertising, than all the campaigns since Hoges’s ‘barbie’
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dave
Posted Friday, December 10, 2010 at 4:04 pm | Permalink
Dio –
Don’t forget they know what ALL the Wikileaks cables show. Wiki showed them to the US who elected not to redact them but could warn countries
I heard day or so ago the US had declined to tell Gillard & Co what was in the cables ?
Where / when did you hear the info had been made available ?
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vera
Posted Friday, December 10, 2010 at 4:05 pm | Permalink
Rudd might decide to give all his ALP pals a Xmas present for their loyalty and dedication during the year
dovif
Go stand in the norty boys’ corner with our evan 😀
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Gary
Posted Friday, December 10, 2010 at 4:05 pm | Permalink
Gary – don’t count me in that. As much as I like Kev I’m still shirty at the way he ignored everyone except himself. He’s doing OK now but he has no responsibility for the polls now – the pressure is off him so he can say what he wants to.
If only he’d had the sense to realise that others were competent to handle their own portfolios things may have been different. I like seeing other Ministers now out and about talking about their work. Sorry, kev, your gorgeous but ….
I agree with you BH. I have a lot of time for Kev. I wouldn’t take too much notice of this poll. It is BS.
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dovif
Posted Friday, December 10, 2010 at 4:05 pm | Permalink
Gary
Rudd can get his point accross much better than Julia, Rudd can be a vote changer, Julia is a safe pair of hands, can be manage, but as the “real Julia” thing show she does not have the instinct of Rudd
Rudd is a salesman, he is a closer, his problem was he sold too much in the first election campaign, and his ALP team delivered a lot of it badly, and Rudd got blame for it. If the likes of Gillard and the guy who definitely was not burning the midnight oil did better, Rudd would still be PM
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vera
Posted Friday, December 10, 2010 at 4:06 pm | Permalink
Kev may not come home
he might shack up with Lula down in Rio
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jaundiced view
Posted Friday, December 10, 2010 at 4:08 pm | Permalink
Gary@115
Then how come he lost so much support over 2010? He was criticised by many here for not being able to get a message across. Geez you people are wearing rose coloured glasses.
Rudd certainly wasn’t likely to be able to get any message across to the Americans for a start, with Arbib secretly white-anting him to US spies (as a protected source) from 2009.
I wonder whether Arbib’s determination to dump the ETS in April came from the CIA?]
Jeez you people can jump to ridiculous conclusions! :devil:
Sorry William — don’t know HOW I did that!