The latest weekly Essential Research survey finds the two parties still gridlocked at 50-50. Both parties are up a point on the primary vote – the Coalition to 45 per cent and Labor to 40 per cent – with the Greens down to 9 per cent. Both leaders’ personal ratings have improved slightly since before the election: Julia Gillard’s approval is down a point to 45 per cent and her disapproval down three to 37 per cent, while Tony Abbott is up two to 43 per cent and down seven to 37 per cent. However, Gillard’s lead as preferred prime minister is almost unchanged, up from 46-35 to 47-35. Fewer respondents now rate an election within 12 months as desirable – it’s now 43 per cent all, compared with 52 per cent supporting and 33 per cent opposed a fortnight ago – and there also fewer who deem it likely, although it’s still a clear majority at 59 per cent (down from 70 per cent a fortnight ago). More voters thought the media did a good (32 per cent) than a poor (23 per cent) job reporting the election and its aftermath, while Coalition supporters were found to be more likely to believe the media wasn’t fair to their side.
UPDATE: Some fine print reading from Bernard Keane in Crikey:
But in the wake of Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor deciding to back Labor, there’s now a much stronger party split on that issue, with 75% of Liberal voters calling for another election, compared to 65% a fortnight ago, whereas support for another election among Labor and Green voters has fallen dramatically, with more than 70% of Labor and Green voters not wanting another election.
Rod Hagen@138
[Mmm, yes Frank, but do we undertake HIV tests of everyone who arrives in Australia before we let them loose amongst the general population? Of course we don’t.
Does it take us months to decide whether to let anyone who wants to step on a plane land because they might be a “security risk”? No, of course we don’t.
This sort of explanation is simply window-dressing for the general process of deterrence to asylum seekers arriving by boat. It doesn’t have any real purpose. It doesn’t make “our borders” or “our people” one jot safer in real terms.
]
Wake up and smwell the Coffee:
People coming by boat are different from people conig on a plane.
You don’t know what the health conditions are like in refugee camps.
another halfwit who believes Green Taliking points.
[ and thats why they only lost 17 seats and had their first term PM stabbed in the back by his own party.]
Those “17 seats” were only on paper; the real number was much lower. Some of those “lost” seats in NSW were only notionally Labor, like Gilmore, Macarthur and Macquarie.
I also love the crocodile tears over Rudd being “stabbed in the back”. During that same term the Libs got rid of 2 leaders the same way. Both times Julie Bishop looked the other way. Now THAT’s loyalty.
[No it’s because weeks after the election she scrapped fuel subsidies and jacked up rego fee’s 30%.
Thats what you call deceiving the voters.]
Oh, so you voted for Labor at the last Queensland election then did you, Truthy? I think you might be deceiving somebody.
[No it’s because weeks after the election she scrapped fuel subsidies and jacked up rego fee’s 30%.
Thats what you call deceiving the voters.]
Geez, Troofiness. And I thought it was all because Tully walloppers did you for speeding, because you knew the speed limit ought to be 80kph because the road was, in your opinion, an 80kph road. But, because Bligh personally wanted to rip you off personally, she somehow made her MRD engineers erect a 60kph sign just so’s you’d get done doing 80 in it!
Truthy
[Have a look at the mess NSW is in with an out of touch government that can’t be forced to a new election.]
Fixed terms in NSW
[Tony Abbott is the best opposition leader in living memory]
1998 Kim Beazley (for starters)
[The Pacific Solution]
Wasn’t this Plan B after Plan A to declare all islands off the big island un-Australian was dropped?
Kakuru@151
[Those “17 seats” were only on paper; the real number was much lower. Some of those “lost” seats in NSW were only notionally Labor, like Gilmore, Macarthur and Macquarie. ]
Yep, and you can add Swan in WA as well to the list.
[I also love the crocodile tears over Rudd being “stabbed in the back”. During that same term the Libs got rid of 2 leaders the same way. Both times Julie Bishop looked the other way. Now THAT’s loyalty.]
And if I recall correctly – Rudd withdrew from the ballot when he realised he didn’t have the numbers – hence Julia Gillard being elected UNOPPOSED.
Dee
Been looking for Sloppy?
He has been seen lurking around this establishment a lot lately http://media1.px.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/JSq6zJq2Jm9IQK33-mtK1g/l
[t’s Abbotts fault Labor lost 17 seats and not more?]
Where do you get the notion that Labor “lost 17 seats” from, TTH? They had 83 in the last parliament, all on their lonesome, and they have 72 now. That makes 11 lost by my reckoning. One of these went to Green and one went to a greenish independent. So let’s say they lost 9 to the coalition.
On the flip side, the Coalition lost two seats to Labor.
So at “best” (from a Coalition perspective) that makes 7 seats won by Tony’s crowd on balance, though he also managed to lose another one to an Independent National. So when we do the accounting, for all the huff and puff he has actually only managed to win a mere 6 seats on balance for the Coalition!
Hardly the stuff of legends, is it!
Only two opinions matter now TTH. The owners of those opinions have been very clear on their positions despite being harassed and bullied by coalition members and media elements.
vera
Posted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 4:14 pm | Permalink
“Hi Ron
I found a site for the amigos, getting ready for 2012 🙂
http://blogsforhillary.com/ ”
G’day Vera , great , and in meantimes there is luv good wills between Hillary and Kev ,
thats alot diff to that Downer to Bush disgusting gang
[‘As long as there are no Chinese subs offshore”
I’m hoping there are!]
Yeah. Give Harry Holt my love & tell him all is forgiven. The Libs desperately need you back …
Or maybe not. You were the one to blame for dumping the White Australia Policy & championing the “Aboriginal referendum”. Nyaah. You’re too much of a Commie fellow traveller for Abbott’s mob.
Yes, yes, there is a mistake in my maths, Truthy. It should be 8, not 6. (the two gains are accommodated within the original 11 lost).
Still hardly the stuff of legends I’m afraid.
Frank, there is no evidence that those who come by sea have been in camps except those we have had illegally jailed in INdonesia.
A person flying from Iran is no different to a person sailing from Indonesia after flying on false documents from Iran.
That stupid argument is always floated by those who love locking up innocent human beings.
Now there is a qon I missed in the last round of estimates – shame on me.
QUESTION TAKEN ON NOTICE
BUDGET ESTIMATES HEARING: 26 MAY 2010
IMMIGRATION AND CITIZENSHIP PORTFOLIO
(46) Program 2.1: Refugee and Humanitarian Assistance
Senator Parry (L&C 77) asked:
How many places in the humanitarian and refugee program have been provided to
onshore asylum claims, including air arrivals and those who have arrived
unauthorised by boat? Can we have a breakdown of those figures?
Answer:
To 31 May 2010, 4286 visas had been granted under the onshore component of the
2009–10 Humanitarian Program. These included:
• 2056 Protection visas granted to Irregular Maritime Arrivals (IMAs)
• 2208 Protection visas granted to non-IMAs
• 14 visas granted under Ministerial Intervention powers
• 8 Program-countable1 Resolution of Status visas.
1 Only visas granted to persons who have not previously held a Humanitarian
Program visa are counted against the Program, for example children born to
Temporary Protection visa holders who are later included in their Resolution of
Status visa application.
Now Frank why don’t we demonise the others who don’t sail here when they put the same claims and where do so many come from do you think?
RRT appeals – all countries Jan to March
China, Malaysia ,,Philipinnes ,,Lebanon , Bahrain, Sri Lanka, Sudan , Nigeria , Algeria, New Zealand
Uganda ,India ,Turkey, Rwanda ,Pakistan, Jordan ,Zimbabwe ,Indonesia ,Fiji ,Somalia ,Burma, Latvia , Korea , Colombia ,Mongolia, Iran, Bangladesh ,Macedonia , Egypt ,Tonga , Afghanistan, ,
Cameroon , Nepal, Tunisia ,Albania , Guinea , Serbia, Thailand ,Congo , Vietnam, Palestine ,Bangladesh , Sierra Leone, ,Uzbekistan, ,Vanuatu
Oops, gee, and we don’t have to check all of them.
[2. Tony Abbott is the best opposition leader in living memory]
That makes sense. Judging by your posts, you’re probably 5.
For grown ups of course, the likes of Hayden, Peacock and Beazley – not to mention Fraser, Hawke, Howard and Rudd all shat all over Abbott’s masterful performance.
I know Abbott is the glorious leader of the Liberal party right now and to question him is tantamount to treason for some, but look at the facts before you make boastful claims.
It’s amusing that the bunch of one-eyed contributers on this site are so convinced by their own intellect that they haven’t worked out why Gillard didn’t say this, or do that, or respond this way. Hullo .. she’s a dumb broad and no excuses. She ran a shocking campaign and has had an even worse week or so in the job. She’s hopeless – worse than Rudd. Perhaps others have examples of her smartness – let us know. Abbott was easily beatable with truths and principles and Abbott is losing it by the day so I don’t know where we’ll end up except that the Greens are certified lunatics and they seem to have taken over (read the Greens website before you praise these human haters). William – I would have thought that wishing Abbott dead (see references to Portsea etc) was a bit of a no-no.
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Anyone seen Sloppy lately
He’s been in training for The Gentlemen of Sydney golden oldies rugby team 😉
http://wentworth-courier.whereilive.com.au/sport/story/theyre-never-too-old-1/
[ Hardly the stuff of legends, is it! ]
Abbott should have cleaned up in NSW, given the size of the swing. He couldn’t even win Robertson, the most marginal Labor-held seat in the state.
[2. Tony Abbott is the best opposition leader in living memory
That makes sense. Judging by your posts, you’re probably 5.]
No TSOP! Alzheimers is the problem for most coalition voters. It helps them believe Howard was honest.
You people are wasting your time trying to debunk tth. You’re talking at a poisonous red-neck, who’s sole purpose in life is to wile away his days on the dole trolling left-leaning political forums. Logic doesn’t work. He just keeps on spouting the same old drivel. Pointing out repeated lies of his doesn’t work. He just keeps on spouting the same old lies.
Talking at TTH is not intelligent debate. It’s arguing with a one-eyed moron. It gives his drivel justification. Doing that only lowers the IQ of everyone on the forum, and leads to the inevitable decline of real discussion.
[No TSOP! Alzheimers is the problem for most coalition voters. It helps them believe Howard was honest.]
Awww! Now I feel guilty. It’s not his fault that he is that way…
Hmmmm
I have been thinking about what the 10 biggest Coalition falsifications have been this year, aka, The Coalition TwentyTen 10 biggest Lies List. Since there is no separation between the OO and the Coalition, a lie by either but by the other cannot count double. Nor does the number of times a lie is repeated alter the size of the lie. Qualitative phrases such as ‘shambles’ or ‘chaos’ or ‘incompetent’ don’t count because they are, arguably, matters of interpretation. So it needs numbers in it to be a true lie.
Off hand I can sort of get it up to six but not sure if they really are falsifications and not sure what other candidates might bring it up to the ten biggest Coalition Lies for 2010.
1. The $8billion figure for Government ‘waste’ bandied about during the election campaign.
2. The x billion dollar shortfall in Coalition costings.
3. Turnbull’s recent claim that ‘billions’ were wasted on pink batts.
4. The Coalition won more seats than Labor.
5. The Coalition won the popular vote.
6. The Coalition won the 2PP vote.
ShepardMarylin:
It is NOT demonising them – it is proper checks and balances.
Stop believing Fairytales in live in the REAL World.
It’s idiot greens like yourself which give the Party a bad name.
Given that TA is such a great opposition leader, let’s hope that he remains in that position for a very, very long time.
[William – I would have thought that wishing Abbott dead (see references to Portsea etc) was a bit of a no-no.]
Surfers chase the waves.
It was a valid suggestion. Portsea has ‘big’ waves with the added attraction of submarines offshore.
Anyone promoting a laissez faire approach to boat arrivals should put a figure, any figure, on how many they are prepared to accept.
The current world-wide potential pool, as counted by the UN, is 42 million ‘uprooted’ people. I assume that if the are ‘uprooted’ they would have some claim to asylum seeker status.
So, how many?
Hey Frank. Do you remember who that was that you linked a Youtube video a little while ago that was some redneck Queenslander going on about the hoodlums (IIRC, they were indigenous) in his neighbourhood and him making a threat to shoot them? If you can recall, I would love to know the title of the video or the person who posted it. Thanks.
[Wake up and smwell the Coffee:
People coming by boat are different from people conig on a plane.
You don’t know what the health conditions are like in refugee camps.]
We don’t discriminate with respect to health checks for HIV with respect to people from other populations where such things are rife, Frank. Just by the way, most people arriving by boat these days come from Afghanistan. I’ve yet to see ANYONE make the claim that this group has a substantial AIDS problem, let alone any research to support such a notion.
People coming by boat ARE, indeed, different from those coming by plane. A far, far, larger proportion of them actually prove to be genuine refugees when their claims are tested.
[You people are wasting your time trying to debunk tth. You’re talking at a poisonous red-neck, ]
Toofy spends his days with us instead of likeminded rednecks.
Think about it.
Frank
It takes one week to process AS who arrive by air. They have the security and health checks done in that time.
[To Speak of PebblesPosted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 4:58 pm | PermalinkHey Frank. Do you remember who that was that you linked a Youtube video a little while ago that was some redneck Queenslander going on about the hoodlums (IIRC, they were indigenous) in his neighbourhood and him making a threat to shoot them? If you can recall, I would love to know the title of the video or the person who posted it. Thanks.
]
It was me who posted the video and here is his channel:
I’m sure it is Truthy posting 🙂
http://www.youtube.com/user/PossumFNQ
He probably gets told by his peers not to waste his time on us “treasonous latte sippers”
[
So, how many?
]
30 million? I see no problem having Australia with 50 million people. Get em start building big dams in Kennedy so that all that fresh water can be trapped and used throughout Australia. You’d have Bobs vote. With all that water, you can build a few in-land cities, and house millions.
The best thing you could do is allow them to go home. If they had these skills, and earned enough money, and any opportunity was available to return home, they’d probably do it. Most of the asylum seekers are leaving because they have to. If given a safe environment to return to, most of them would.
[DiogenesPosted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 4:59 pm | PermalinkFrank
It takes one week to process AS who arrive by air. They have the security and health checks done in that time.]
Dio-
Multiply that by the number of people on a boat.
You might find it takes a bit longer to deal with them all.
And as for Rod Hagen – Another believer of Fairytales.
Thanks Frank. I was trying to recall. It was one of the funniest things I have ever seen.
Cheers for the link!
[ William – I would have thought that wishing Abbott dead (see references to Portsea etc) was a bit of a no-no. ]
As opposed to calling Gillard a ‘dumb broad’, which is the epitome of enlightened debate.
[
Dee
Posted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 4:59 pm | Permalink
Toofy spends his days with us instead of likeminded rednecks.
]
These no-hopers are more likely to cause themselves harm than any harm they can do elsewhere. In general, they’re a bunch of angry sweaty fat couch potato’s, and their biggest complaint is that all of them darkies take all of the good jobs like being checkout chick at the 7-11.
Truthy:
Stop trying to act cool 🙂
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqBbRxuJTdk
Kakaru
What would you call Gillard?
[And as for Rod Hagen – Another believer of Fairytales.]
You will have to spell it out for me, Frank.
What are you referring to as “fairytales”?
The vanishingly low rate of AIDS amongst Afghan refugees? The reality is they are far more likely to contract AIDS in Australia than they are to bring it with them! I’m happy to look at some alternative figures if you’d like to provide them.
Or the comparative figures for the recognition of refugees arriving by boat compared to those making application after arriving by air? Last time I looked the “real world” figures were something like 75% acceptance of the status of boaties to 25% for planies. Maybe you could provide some counter evidence here too?
Frank
Lots of the boats only have 20 people. It would take less than a day to do their medical clearance. HIV tests take 12 hours.
[ What would you call Gillard? ]
The Prime Minister.
[DiogenesPosted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 5:10 pm | PermalinkFrank
Lots of the boats only have 20 people. It would take less than a day to do their medical clearance. HIV tests take 12 hours.]
Why are normal people who are tested for HIV told they have to wait 3 months for a result ??
[188 Rod HagenPosted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 5:09 pm | PermalinkAnd as for Rod Hagen – Another believer of Fairytales.
You will have to spell it out for me, Frank.
What are you referring to as “fairytales”?
The vanishingly low rate of AIDS amongst Afghan refugees? The reality is they are far more likely to contract AIDS in Australia than they are to bring it with them! I’m happy to look at some alternative figures if you’d like to provide them.
Or the comparative figures for the recognition of refugees arriving by boat compared to those making application after arriving by air? Last time I looked the “real world” figures were something like 75% acceptance of the status of boaties to 25% for planies. Maybe you could provide some counter evidence here too?]
cos you sprout Green Talking points as Gospel.
Another member of the Fairtale Collective.
have never been more ashamed to be australian. the propaganda of the right and media is unabetted – little to be proud of in this democracy. BB aided in the destablisation of non liberal side, he has been tres naive. public deluded. actually beginning to think Julia bit of heroine to hold back tide. we have come close to a 1975 catastrophe but without real public protest.
Gillard is PM? Oh – is that what she is – thanks Kakaru. And you probably also think she’s smart and that Abbott is dumb, yep?
Dio
I doubt very much whether security checks would take a week. Unless they take the form of:
Immigration official, ‘You have arrived in Australia at a time and a place, and in a manner of your own choosing, in order to force us to make a decision about you at a time determined by you. Are you a security risk?’
Person who has arrived by boat, ‘Of course not.’
Immigration official, ‘Phew, you had us worried for a minute. Enter.’
[
Diogenes
Posted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 5:10 pm | Permalink
Frank
Lots of the boats only have 20 people. It would take less than a day to do their medical clearance. HIV tests take 12 hours.
]
Actually, that’s not true. While it only takes 12 hours to determine if you have HIV given a blood sample, it can take up to 90 days for the virus to first be detected.
[
Mick77
Posted Monday, September 20, 2010 at 5:15 pm | Permalink
Gillard is PM? Oh – is that what she is – thanks Kakaru. And you probably also think she’s smart and that Abbott is dumb, yep?
]
Actually, that’s more an opinion of their supporters. I’ve always thought Abbott was pretty smart in a rat-like cunning sort of way.
Fellow bludgers and other indolent lurkers,
This might be of some interest: “Still more myths”.
http://ozforums.com.au/forums/index.php/topic,7174.msg78654.html#msg78654
[ Gillard is PM? Oh – is that what she is – thanks Kakaru. And you probably also think she’s smart and that Abbott is dumb, yep? ]
I think they’re both pretty smart. But I agree with Gillard’s politics, but not with Abbott’s.
Most of our political leaders have been pretty smart. It doesn’t make all of them right.
[ Gillard is PM? Oh – is that what she is – thanks Kakaru. And you probably also think she’s smart and that Abbott is dumb, yep? ]
Oh BTW, you’re welcome. Glad I could set you straight.