Call it as you see it here. The purpose of this thread is to quarantine the kind of partisan name-calling that is the hallmark of live debate discussion from the main thread, so I won’t quite be holding commenters up to this site’s normal high standards. The other thread remains open for those wishing to discuss the presidential race more broadly.
world leaders being castro, North Korea’s leader, Iran’s leader, various dictators
I keep fearing for Palin as I wait for her to respond to these foreign policy questions, but she’s doing adequately. Biden’s doing better of course, but Palin has a lower bar to clear.
To her credit she pronounced the name of Prez of Iran correctly.
I think Palin has probably the lowest expectations in a debate ever – lower than Quayle even!!!
Palin: “Back ye up there”
Biden correcting her “simply not true” … he mentions that the Iranian leader does NOT control Iran, that the theocracy does, i.e the religous leaders in committee ….. worm rises to mid level positive ….
[I keep fearing for Palin as I wait for her to respond to these foreign policy questions, but she’s doing adequately. Biden’s doing better of course, but Palin has a lower bar to clear.]
I don’t think ‘adequately’ is any help to McCain with him so far down in the polls though, lower bar or not. He needs her to win IMO.
Biden defending Obama’s policy on diplomacy with Iran – rock solid positive at 10-15%. Stangely men drop down to zero on the phrase “last mile of diplomacy” bore recovering near instantly.
palin says that a 2 state solution MUSt be the solution to the Israeli ME crisis ……..
embassy would be in jerusalem in their eyes …..
Palin gets solid +20% average over the Israel answer with women slightly higher then men at times
We’re heading for a draw folks – and that’s good enough for Obama.
Biden bumps Lieberman for the “best Senate friend of Israel” award.
Biden says he would NEVER have joined the ticket unless Obama shared his passion for Israel …….. looks camera straight in the middle says he is the best friend that Israel has in the Senate … worm mid line positive …… (they don’t have NY Jews in control of the worm 😉 )
[looks camera straight in the middle says he is the best friend that Israel has in the Senate]
That was a pitch for Florida
[Biden bumps Lieberman for the “best Senate friend of Israel” award.]
Hence, why Biden has improved Obama’s standings in Florida…
Palin respects Biden for respecting McCain.
Offers everyone in the audience a soda.
Biden ask how Mcain is different form Bush in policy – women love it straight away +30%. Men slower to catch on but eventually rise to +20%
Dario @ 113,
Quite rightly so, NY Jews either retire to FL 24/7/365 OR they live there 6 months of the year, affectionately known in the US as “snowbirds” 😉
Just want to clarify here since I can’t watch it, did Palin endorse the breaking up of Israel into two states?
WTF, I think Palin just made a gaffe. She said the U.S. has a nuclear arsenal “as a deterrent”.
If that is a valid argument, why can’t Iran and North Korea say the same thing?
If she turned up in a bikini would of it been game over?
Certainly if Biden turned up in a bikini…. 😛
Palin talks nukes, men dont buy it and go slightly negative, women start to buy it at +5 then change their minds and go back to zero.
She moves on and it ends up +10%.
On Afghan – “we’re fighting terrorists” – men buy in at +7, women dont at -7%. Men peak at +20, women peack at zero
[, did Palin endorse the breaking up of Israel into two states?]
No. She meant Israel, AND a Palestinian state.
Still on FP
Biden 4 – palin 0
Women lagain go positive for Biden at between +20 and 40% whenever he talks serious policy. Men go +10-15% for the same.
Biden “Facts matter Gwen”.
WHo was the first to ask
“Does my ass look big in this?” ???
And they’re saying on Fivethirtyeight, this would be a blowout if it was anyone else but Palin…
Men like it when Palin says “counterinsurgency” Roflol! Seriously, small little lifts for men everytime she uses the work! 😀
Lessons for Palin – talk about terrorists, counter insurgency, carry a gun and dont act like a Bogan!
[Men like it when Palin says “counterinsurgency” Roflol! Seriously, small little lifts for men everytime she uses the work! 😀 ]
Maybe it’s the accent…
No, Al,
what she is endorsing is that there should be a Palestinian state as well as an Israeli one with the capital of the Israeli one being in Jerusulem …..
the former is what everyone realizes I think has to happen eventually (question is where to put the palestinian state) but the latter one is poison to the Palestinians, and always has been. They say that the capital in Jerusalem will be over their dead bodies as both call it a holy site ……
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Under international law, neither East nor West Jerusalem is considered Israel’s capital. Tel Aviv is recognised as Israel’s capital, pending a negotiated settlement with the Palestinians. East Jerusalem is considered by the international community to be illegally occupied by Israel, in contravention of several binding UN Security Council Resolutions listed here.
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[Lessons for Palin – talk about terrorists, counter insurgency, carry a gun and dont act like a Bogan!]
In other words – use the Giuliani tactic. Every sentence contains a noun, a verb and 9/11.
Whenever Biden speaks on foreign policy, I dont think the ohio undecideds controlling the dial actually pay much attention. They just send it moderately positive and start daydreaming until trigger words are mentioned.
Women went ballistically positive when Biden talked about stopping genocide in Africa
Phew, for a second there, I thought she just wiped out McCain in Florida.
Ohio undecideds can use dials?!.. woah
A bias accusation will be fired at Ifill for too many FP questions, which is Biden’s strength.
[Men like it when Palin says “counterinsurgency” Roflol! Seriously, small little lifts for men everytime she uses the work! :-D]
I think they want her to lead the counterinsurgency.
Biden just resuscitated the Blair doctrine when he talked about intervening in Darfur…
[A bias accusation will be fired at Ifill for too many FP questions, which is Biden’s strength.]
We already got a sneak preview of that yesterday.
Palin talks about the Alaska Permanent Fund and she starts dropping from +20% to +10%. Interesting. When she talks about darfour, men dont buy it but women do.
Biden says the exact same thing on darfour in a different, more wordy style of gravitas and pulls +25%
Palin answers Biden …. “Uhm, [silence] , er ……” and in about 4 seconds, starts her answer .. .meanwhile the worm tanks …… (talking about exit strategies from Iraq I believe)
GOOD Question … How would a Biden/Palin adminstration be different from a Obama/McCain one?
Yes, that was Palin’s first rabbit-in-the-headlights moment of the debate.
Biden says he will continue Obama’s policies, talks about eliminating Al-Queida and to work with allies and not dictate policy to them and the worm loves it all …..
It’s worth mentioning again that most of these dial results arent consistent with national qual polling for the last 6 months on undecided and independent voters.
Joe must be a bit of a sex symbol since everytime he opens his mouth now women go through the roof! Men like it too, but only about 50-70% as much as the women folk.
I can’t see any worm, but i reckon Palin made a BIG mistake emphasising her differences with McCain if McCain died. Palin is unpredictable.
It’s a pity Biden has to go first in all these questions. Palin is feeding of his knowledge and expertise. It was a good toss for her to win.