Call it as you see it here. The purpose of this thread is to quarantine the kind of partisan name-calling that is the hallmark of live debate discussion from the main thread, so I won’t quite be holding commenters up to this site’s normal high standards. The other thread remains open for those wishing to discuss the presidential race more broadly.
Matt C! thats why I reckon Sarah Palin would beat most of them, clearly Biden outperformed Plain with his experiance and when he mentioned McCain’s voting record Palin didn’t put much into rebutting.
I can’t recall who wrote it but Biden had more to lose tonight for he has a large amount of experiance whilst Palin is somewhat protected by her lack of experiance.
[CNN are doing the same (see my comment above), ‘cept with the opposite result.]
Yeah CNN are almost a political opposite to Fox News, but maybe slightly closer to the middle
Who needs the CNN post debate focus group breakdown – we’ve already covered everything that they’ve come up with! heh!
[I was surprised at female reaction to Biden. Pretty strong.]
So Biden will pick up the Clinton women and not Palin. LoL
Soledad O’Brian (CNN commentator in the room with the undecided Ohio voters) asks who won the debate amongst them
2/3 Biden 1/3 Palin
a heap of them said that the VP debate has solidified their votes too ….
she’s interviewing them now ….
only one lady said based upon this debate that she would vote for McCain now ….
The point is all the Obama supporters said she’d make a fool of herself and she didnt so you all have a lot to retract!
yeah, crazy wide eyed lady
[only one lady said based upon this debate that she would vote for McCain now …]
That was nice of them to invite Palin’s mum.
231, gusface, again, no worries 🙂 …… cheers from canberra ….
[thats why I reckon Sarah Palin would beat most of them]
I reckon you’re kidding. If Palin had made the same gaffes she has made throughout this campaign in Australia instead, the media would have absoultely savaged her… and while there is Sky News as a kind of Fox News equivalent over here to help support the right wing idiots, it has nowhere near the viewership, nor is as extreme in its partisanship.
256 All Obama supporters said nothing of the sort. In fact the consensus was that the expectations were so low that she would be seen as holding her own if she turned up and left at the finish.
[The point is all the Obama supporters said she’d make a fool of herself and she didnt so you all have a lot to retract!]
Well, I think she did. I think she demonstrated that she is completely unsuitable for the job. To me she shouldn’t of accepted the nomination, but as she says herself, she accepted it without even consulting with her family.
[The point is all the Obama supporters said she’d make a fool of herself and she didnt so you all have a lot to retract!]
I certainly never said that
Possum! I suspect the reason why Women like Biden is he is seen as a strong Man, who has leadership experiance, he speaks with a great level of confidence and Women find these traits attractive in Men. You could say he comes of as an Alpha and Women like that, the biggest thing that went in Bidens favor, at no stage did he show any disrespect or aggression toward Sarah Palin in is answers.
I had to laugh when Palin said she and McCain would dedicate themselves to helping the middle class.
If the middle class is dumb enough to fall for that line of bs, they deserve everything they get.
She didn’t actually say much, it was all safe turf: Alaska and herself and hockey moms. A lot of rhetoric, which isn’t particuarly surprising for a US election. I would have liked more actual arguments between the two rather than the moderation. Palin didn’t end the GOP campaign but I don’t think that she won any votes either.
“The point is all the Obama supporters said she’d make a fool of herself and she didnt so you all have a lot to retract!”
she ‘survived’ by only suffering a TKO.
yeah, BIG win.
What does it matter what we think?
It matters what Americans think.
Palin is far too shallow and ignorant even of the most basic things. In Australia she would find hereself quickly embarassed and the likes of Red Kerry would expose her less than high school knowledge of the world, economics, FP and many other things.
oh yes, TP, Kerry would eat her alive 😉 …….
That’s the mystifying thing about America – the group who consistently get $%&*ed hard by the Republicans (lower middle class people, who pay plenty of tax, lose their houses, lose their savings, get their kids sent to Iraq, etc etc) are the group that consistently votes them in on “values” issues. So much the same as Australia, then.
McCain might find that the real issues are biting hard enough that some of those people are no longer prepared to vote purely on values and perception though – they might actually personally see the need for a change at this point.
[What does it matter what we think?]
Because this is a blog where we write down what we think.
and the fate of the free world rests with:
so what ever happens, it’s farked.
[oh yes, TP, Kerry would eat her alive 😉 …….]
Especially if he was in “last interview with John Howard before 2007 election” mode.
But I think the only important thing to a lot of Americans – potential McCain voters – is that she didn’t wet herself, kept her mouth opening and shutting with words coming out for the right length of time and was able to keep breathing. What she said was of little importance.
[What does it matter what we think?]
Then why are you here?
[But I think the only important thing to a lot of Americans – potential McCain voters – is that she didn’t wet herself, kept her mouth opening and shutting with words coming out for the right length of time and was able to keep breathing. What she said was of little importance.]
True, but I think these people are already rusted on Republicans.
It could actually disillusion some Republicans, and make them stay home on election day. Which again is one less vote OBama needs.
I didn’t see much today that will make independents shift from Obama to McCain, or from no one to McCain.
So to me this will just help Obama.
Dario! Too a point I agree with you for the American media provides a greater level of Political coverage thanks in part to Fox, CNN and MSNBC than the Australian media which tends to see Question time as the mainstay of political coverage.
The reason why I said Sarah Palin would out debate most Australian pollies is while her answers were at times vague and lacking in detail she still provided deeper answers than we obtain from our pollies.
Regarding her gaffes, yes she has made a few but John Howard was good at gaffes also and ofcourse the media were completely in love with Mark Lathem yet he was more than prone to gaffes and one final example premier Steve Bracks was well known for gaffes yet that didn’t hurt him.
One of the talking heads on CNN made the point that Palin failed to establish the Republican case that Obama is a risk, because she was too focused on dispelling her own negatives – whereas Biden was able to take a more strategic view.
[But I think the only important thing to a lot of Americans – potential McCain voters – is that she didn’t wet herself, kept her mouth opening and shutting with words coming out for the right length of time and was able to keep breathing. What she said was of little importance.]
Normally I would agree with you, but this election may be a little different due to the enormity of the economic issues that are taking place. I don’t think being all ‘folksy’ is going to work this time around, as the majority of voters are tuned in to specifics more than they would normally be.
273 Zombie Mao
Fear not, that gentleman won’t bring himself to vote for a Muslim. That’s what Obama is, right?
[But I think the only important thing to a lot of Americans – potential McCain voters – is that she didn’t wet herself, kept her mouth opening and shutting with words coming out for the right length of time and was able to keep breathing. What she said was of little importance.]
True, but I think these people are already rusted on Republicans.
It could actually disillusion some Republicans, and make them stay home on election day. Which again is one less vote OBama needs.
I didn’t see much today that will make independents shift from Obama to McCain, or from no one to McCain.
So to me this will just help Obama.
Mikey Kaus at Slate
[[Palin] pretty much failed to accomplish the traditional vice-presidential job of making voters worried about Barack Obama, she succeeded at what had become her main, selfish, task of making voters less worried about her. ]
But that’s CNN.
The media in America is so biased one way or another.
MSNBC – Biden Win
ABC – Biden Win
CNN – Biden Win
Fox – Tie
Palin did make Obama out to be a risk especially his lack of foreign policy experience!
Fox only a tie ?!
When even Fox dosen’t give the repubs a win, you know they are farked
[Regarding her gaffes, yes she has made a few but John Howard was good at gaffes also and ofcourse the media were completely in love with Mark Lathem yet he was more than prone to gaffes and one final example premier Steve Bracks was well known for gaffes yet that didn’t hurt him.]
Howard wasn’t out of his depth though, Palin clearly is. A gaffe here and there doesn’t matter too much if you still look as though you know what you are doing most of the time.
Latham just looked unhinged, and rightfully got the voter’s boot up the proverbial.
Bracks made a few gaffes, but he delivered and Victorians saw the results.
Sorry about my previous repeated post.
[The media in America is so biased one way or another.
MSNBC – Biden Win
ABC – Biden Win
CNN – Biden Win
Fox – Tie]
Yeah you’re right, on this figures it is obvious that Fox is the biased one.
[Palin did make Obama out to be a risk especially his lack of foreign policy experience!]
No she didn’t, I agree with Mickey Kaus, she FAILED to make people worry about Obama, which is what she needed to do.
On the other hand, Biden criticised “John McCain” more than he critised Palin.
Glen @ 283,
That list equates to a Biden win across the board as you can discount Fox, they are more biased to the Republicans than Sky is to the Libs 😉 …….
If the medium is the message – Palin wins
If the message is the medium – Biden wins
But Sarah Palin is here to stay whether you like it or not. The deer Hunter boys and girls will love her.
I think both Biden and Palin are better than their bosses.
[Palin did make Obama out to be a risk especially his lack of foreign policy experience!]
Palin got beaten up the most by Biden on foreign policy – so I doubt she took much out of Obama on that point…
Agreed! Palin was out of her league and something Biden did really well was focus on his strenghts and on McCains voting record, basically leaving Palin to float along
Obama up to 66.9 on Intrade
CNN debate poll: Biden 51, Palin 36. 64 per cent say Biden did better than expected, 14 per cent said worse. 84 per cent say Palin did better than expected, 7 per cent say worse. On that note, can we please take it back over to the other thread.