The potential for a Liberal legal challenge to the result in Bradfield remains the only complication to a resolution of the federal election, with a 40-day period for the lodgement of such a challenge to commence when the Australian Electoral Commission returns the writs, which it must do by July 9. The impasse also stands in the way of a final resolution of the national two-party preferred result, with the AEC relating it is loath to disturb the ballot papers as required to complete its Labor-versus-Liberal count for the seat. The current progress result recorded for the seat on the AEC site is stuck at an early stage accounts for only about 10% of the total, and is evidently dominated by strong areas for the Liberals. With full results available for all other seats, the final result looks likely to land at 55.2-44.8 to Labor.
We remain in something of a limbo on the federal polling front. Roy Morgan had the first voting intention poll of the term last week, but has apparently not resumed its normal weekly schedule. Peter Lewis of Essential Research says his agency’s normally fortnightly poll is “on a post-election sabbatical/hiatus for a few months”. Experience suggests Newspoll in The Australian may be another month away, and Resolve Strategic for Nine Newspapers perhaps another month more.
Never fear though, for a snap Tasmanian election may shortly be upon us, just 14 months after an election at which the Liberals held on to power with the support of a now alienated cross-bench. The state’s Governor currently considering Premier Jeremy Rockliff’s request for a dissolution following last week’s parliamentary no confidence motion. I’ll have a post up on that when the situation becomes clearer, and if an election indeed ensues, will put together a guide for it as fast as humanly possible and set to work on live results. Local hero Kevin Bonham relates that the window for such an election is in the four weeks between July 19 and August 9.
Test
Omar Comin’ says:
Friday, June 13, 2025 at 5:02 pm
TPOF @ #833 Friday, June 13th, 2025 – 4:42 pm
Did you know that the Jews killed Jesus? And unless they converted to Christianity they were as guilty as the Pharisees and needed to be punished down the centuries?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNM4KRbtevg
_________________________________________-
Thanks
Entropy, ‘Jews’ as a people are not answerable for the actions of the Netanyahu Israeli Government. Ultimately, it is those Israelis who voted for him or his allies who are.
C@tmomma, welcome back!
newy boy says:
Friday, June 13, 2025 at 5:26 pm
C@tmomma, welcome back!
________________________________________
+1
newy boysays:
Friday, June 13, 2025 at 5:22 pm
Entropy, ‘Jews’ as a people are not answerable for the actions of the Netanyahu Israeli Government. Ultimately, it is those Israelis who voted for him or his allies who are.
==============================================================
I never said they where. My point is many people aren’t able to see nuance. So whether they like it or not. They will get tarred with the one brush by many. Which I’m assuming was Ven’s point and not that they have some collective guilt. Which would be wrong to say.
C@tmomma says:
Friday, June 13, 2025 at 5:19 pm
Test
Pass
Welcome back C@t
meher baba 214pm
I acknowledge your point as I too have often shaken my head at ABCs news reports and other programs but to its credit the ABC has had journalists such as Sara Ferguson and Laura Tingle who have spoken out with balanced critical commentary.
The ABC is not balanced but its not yet a puppet news arm of the Coalition- which I believe is their objective.
Let’s hope three terms of Labor government can repair the inbalance in commentary and restore the ABC to a position of trust with the whole community.
Entropy, Friday, June 13, 2025 at 5:30 pm
——————
Entropy, okay, I agree with what you’re saying here. I just wanted to explicitly reinforce the nuance which we agree so many miss.
Entropy says:
Friday, June 13, 2025 at 5:30 pm
newy boysays:
Friday, June 13, 2025 at 5:22 pm
Entropy, ‘Jews’ as a people are not answerable for the actions of the Netanyahu Israeli Government. Ultimately, it is those Israelis who voted for him or his allies who are.
==============================================================
I never said they where. My point is many people aren’t able to see nuance. So whether they like it or not. They will get tarred with the one brush by many. Which I’m assuming was Ven’s point and not that they have some collective guilt. Which would be wrong to say.
_______________________________________________
One of the reasons why Chinese Australians voted so strongly for Labor was Dutton’s rhetoric. It wasn’t that Dutton accused them of being more loyal to the PRC than to Australia – it’s that he left it out there with anyone who wanted to make that connection. Chinese Australians felt it. And they knew who to blame.
newy boysays:
Friday, June 13, 2025 at 5:33 pm
Entropy, Friday, June 13, 2025 at 5:30 pm
——————
Entropy, okay, I agree with what you’re saying here. I just wanted to explicitly reinforce the nuance which we agree so many miss.
=========================================================
Ven’s original post was open to interpretations unfortunately. What is the true interpretation, only Ven will know.
Entropy
I’m finding it hard to get my head around the concept of ‘Jewishness ‘as used in your earlier post. Netanyahu IS a Jew so obviously he is going to feel like one and act like one. He is also the one who is expected to protect his people to the best of his ability, which in my opinion is exactly what he is trying to do, while all of his neighbours are doing their level best to wipe out the country he leads, along with everyone in it.
Arky
I was arguing a case – not necessarily agreeing with it. I find it interesting to consider the effect having nuclear weapons has on a small/medium power. It was at a time that democratic popular feeling was growing in Iran. There were some Iranians in power or near to power that were progressive in their thinking. But Iran was far from secure. Pakistan had nukes, it was an open secret that Israel had them, Russia and even Turkey had them (via Nato iirc) and Iraq/Afghanistan was supported by the US and the Saudis are not friendly to them at all and may have agreements with Pakistan on nukes. My argument was that a country was more likely to progress into responsible, democratic and liberal government if they (the people and the powers) felt secure.
Downer, despite being a “lecturer” in such matters at the time, just fell into old habits of ‘Iran=baddies, so Iran with nukes=bad’. No attempt to consider the core of the issue; how on earth Iran was ever going to move on from a hardline, internationally belligerent, domestically paramilitary controlled theocracy. That maybe their insecurity is part of the problem.
C@tmomma @ #851 Friday, June 13th, 2025 – 5:19 pm
Hooray! 🙂
C@tmommasays:
Friday, June 13, 2025 at 5:19 pm
Test
_____________________
Woo-hoo.
Bystandersays:
Friday, June 13, 2025 at 5:43 pm
Entropy
I’m finding it hard to get my head around the concept of ‘Jewishness ‘as used in your earlier post. Netanyahu IS a Jew so obviously he is going to feel like one and act like one. He is also the one who is expected to protect his people to the best of his ability, which in my opinion is exactly what he is trying to do, while all of his neighbours are doing their level best to wipe out the country he leads, along with everyone in it.
=========================================================
I have problems understanding how you can support his genocide. So it is likely neither of us can reconcile our ideas on this. So I doubt there is much point in me bothering to do so.
GA
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese says the Trump administration should stick with the Aukus agreement on nuclear submarines, describing it as a tool for peace and stability.
The Pentagon said on Thursday the 30-day review was aimed at ensuring the military pact between Australia, the US and Britain best served the interests of the United States.
It will be run by Under-Secretary of Defence for Policy Elbridge Colby, a sceptic of AUKUS. Albanese said the review was appropriate for the new Trump Administration.
He said:
The United States, as an incoming government, is having a review, just like the Australian government did with our defense strategic review, and just like the government of Keir Starmer in the United Kingdom had as well.
We are very confident, though, that Aukus is in the interest of all three of our nations, and that it will play an important role in peace, security and stability around the world at a time when that is absolutely necessary.
“It has been 40 years since Bayswater Power Station near Muswellbrook first roared to life.
At its peak, Bayswater was the largest energy supplier to the New South Wales grid.
This week, past and present employees gathered to celebrate the past 40 years while staring down a future beyond coal-fired power.
Bayswater will not make it to 50, with the site scheduled to power down in 2033.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-13/bayswater-coal-fired-power-station-at-40-years/105403800
For more information on Bayswater:
https://explore.openelectricity.org.au/facility/au/NEM/BAYSW/?range=1y&interval=1w
C@tmomma says:
Friday, June 13, 2025 at 5:19 pm
Test
中华人民共和国
I reckon it’s 50/50. If we can make another 20-30 runs with that Duke Ball swinging and Captain Pat at his best will close.
“ Entropy, ‘Jews’ as a people are not answerable for the actions of the Netanyahu Israeli Government. Ultimately, it is those Israelis who voted for him or his allies who are.”
I don’t think if you vote for someone that you are necessarily answerable for what they do.
Whew, completed my latest Wikipedia task, adding a post election pendulum to the WA 2013 election.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Western_Australian_state_election#Post-election_pendulum
I thought it would be better to go off the ALP v. L/NP margins with notes below for the 2CP margins, since it didn’t feel right to put seats like Eyre and Warren-Blackwood as “Marginal” just because they had close contests between Liberals and Nationals.
Socrates
Will the inevitable death of AUKUS be bad for the SA economy? Or have we already accepted it won’t happen long ago. Must be loss of jobs and expertise.
New NEM record – highest ever battery discharge in NSW, 17:15 today:
https://openelectricity.org.au/records/au.nem.nsw1.battery_discharging.power.interval.high?datetime=2025-06-13T17_15_00&offset=10_00&focus=1749798900000
https://explore.openelectricity.org.au/facilities/nsw1/?selected=DPNTB&tech=battery_discharging&status=operating
Is Pegasus some kind of self-publishing ai bot gone wrong? It keeps producing reams of Green talking point dreck ad-nauseum!
The article lists 10 points.
PM visits Air India crash site; bodies of 5 victims handed over to families
(Videos)
Air India Flight AI171 bound for London crashed moments after taking off from Ahmedabad airport, killing at least 265 people in what authorities described as the world’s worst aviation disaster in a decade
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/air-india-plane-crash-latest-news-ahmedabad-airport-death-injured-survivor-pm-modi-amit-shah-boeing-cause-investigation-2740044-2025-06-13
“ Upnorth says:
Friday, June 13, 2025 at 6:20 pm
C@tmomma says:
Friday, June 13, 2025 at 5:19 pm
Test
中华人民共和国
I reckon it’s 50/50. If we can make another 20-30 runs with that Duke Ball swinging and Captain Pat at his best will close.”
_____
After taking two days to shake off the rust, it would not surprise me if the South Africans get dialled in for the fourth innings; just in time for the lively pitch of the first two days to become a day three road. The jarpies to win by seven wickets. …
“ herman the german says:
Friday, June 13, 2025 at 6:25 pm
Is Pegasus some kind of self-publishing ai bot gone wrong? It keeps producing reams of Green talking point dreck ad-nauseum!”
_____
Not even AI. A wizened trot spending her days campaigning for Anti-Labor in lieu of selling socialist newspapers outside railway stations.
Diogenes
The thing about the airplane crash in Ahmedabad, Gujarat, India, is that it ploughed into the Medical hostel.
The plane had 242 passengers and crew in total. So it seems atleast 24 people on ground died because 1 passenger survived from plane crash.
herman the german says:
Friday, June 13, 2025 at 6:25 pm
Is Pegasus some kind of self-publishing ai bot gone wrong? It keeps producing reams of Green talking point dreck ad-nauseum!
中华人民共和国
Herman old mate I think you’re correct. I even jumped on the Greens Website (then disinfected my eyes) Pegasus’ posts are just links their propaganda. With the occasional Cameron Milner story to try to support the unsupportable.
The Shar’s party in ’71 gave rise to Dear Leader Khamenei & his Dear predecessors:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXEM87lWKBQ&t=140s
I’d add that had he demurred, Iran might’ve taken a different course.
Andrew_Earlwood says:
Friday, June 13, 2025 at 6:28 pm
“ Upnorth says:
Friday, June 13, 2025 at 6:20 pm
C@tmomma says:
Friday, June 13, 2025 at 5:19 pm
Test
中华人民共和国
I reckon it’s 50/50. If we can make another 20-30 runs with that Duke Ball swinging and Captain Pat at his best will close.”
_____
After taking two days to shake off the rust, it would not surprise me if the South Africans get dialled in for the fourth innings; just in time for the lively pitch of the first two days to become a day three road. The jarpies to win by seven wickets. …
中华人民共和国
Could be right cobber – but Cricket – like Greens Policies – is a funny game.
@Team Katich “My argument was that a country was more likely to progress into responsible, democratic and liberal government if they (the people and the powers) felt secure.”
I can’t agree that expanding nuclear weapon proliferation to anybody, let alone a theological dictatorship, is a good idea on the mere offchance that the people will feel so secure they spontaneously overthrow their now nuclear armed bosses. One might argue alternatively that if the nukes make them feel more secure, they will attribute that security to the Ayatollah and support the status quo all the harder.
Also, as we’ve seen in Russia one cannot rely on democracy sticking. But one can certainly rely on nuclear weapons sticking.
I think the “Iran are bad and giving nukes to them is bad” argument holds more water tbh, simple as it is.
At least the Kims in North Korea are pragmatists interested solely in perpetuating their own power in North Korea. I wouldn’t trust Iran to not just nuke their enemies one day out of pure burning religious hatred of the infidel. Theocracies, man. Can’t trust ’em.
“I have problems understanding how you can support his genocide.”
My guess is that it would probably come back to money
Entropy
I agree. Our two positions are irreconcilable. What you call genocide I call self defence. I also question a lot of what is allegedly occurring in Gaza which attempts to put Israel in the worst possible light. I am not Jewish myself, nor do I have any Jewish friends. But I have done a lot of reading on the matter, both the background and current events. It’s not very pretty and there are no easy answers. I just think that in the circumstances Israel has every right to protect itself in any way that it can.
A_E & Up north [test cricket final]
Agree it’s anybody’s game at this stage. But I’m backing Australia’s world class bowling attack to get the job done, as they have so many times before.
The Jarpies have not faced such a bowling attack as ours of late (they got into this final bashing up test minnow teams) and I predict they will be found out in their 2nd innings the same as they were in the 1st innings.
History shows batting last at Lords is a tough assignment and Steve Smith, a very good judge of pitches, reported that the pitch on day 1 was already two paced. So I doubt it will be a road.
Look out for Nathan Lyon to play a big role today. He bowled superbly yesterday with little assistance from the pitch, tying down one end and giving our quicks a much needed breather. Today the pitch may turn a bit more and he will have Mitchell Starc’s footmarks to work with.
Finally, I expect my Penrith Cricket Club clubmate, Pat Cummins (from Mt Riverview in the lower Blue Mountains), to as usual, step up to the plate and deliver the goods for Australia (“cometh the hour, cometh the man”).
C@tmomma @
Friday, June 13, 2025 at 5:19 pm wrote:
Woo-hoo! First bit of good news all day. Welcome back.
David Rowe
Hi everyone.
Can we all ease off on the Iran/Israel stuff please?
The constant bickering among different views is not achieving anything.
Just much, much more of the same.
Settle into and enjoy your Friday night and watch how things go without uninformed and biased commentary.
The old story was that if you set the opposition the task of producing the highest scoring innings in the 4th innings of a match you had the whip hand
The trust is that this old story continues to have currency
Please stop it, Andrew! You, more than anyone, put Cat down. It’s good that you appear to have changed your ways, but that’s probably attributable to the contact at the Sydney soirées.
Kirsdarkesays:
Friday, June 13, 2025 at 6:24 pm
Whew, completed my latest Wikipedia task, adding a post election pendulum to the WA 2013 election.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Western_Australian_state_election#Post-election_pendulum
I thought it would be better to go off the ALP v. L/NP margins with notes below for the 2CP margins, since it didn’t feel right to put seats like Eyre and Warren-Blackwood as “Marginal” just because they had close contests between Liberals and Nationals.
中华人民共和国
Good work mate – only problem is the Tories won. But can’t see them wining the Sand Groper vote again for some time yet.
Upnorth @ #892 Friday, June 13th, 2025 – 7:31 pm
Yeah, true, just it was March 2013, a few months before Gillard lost the PM’ship, it was a dreadful time for Labor nation-wide, but still, it happened, and should be recorded down for history.
”
newy boysays:
Friday, June 13, 2025 at 5:17 pm
Ven, Friday, June 13, 2025 at 2:20 pm:
And Jews across the world wonder why anti-semitism is on the rise.
Ven, are you suggesting that antisemitism would be a justifiable response to the actions of the Netanyahu Israeli Government? If so, I’m very disappointed in you.
”
newy boy
No, that is not what I am saying. Didn’t you read the newspapers and watch the TV, where Jews are saying that anti-semitism is on the rise.
Like Israelis, people in other countries attacked by Israeli government without provocation or in ME, also want to live. If they have anti-semitic feelings, what can you do about it.
Now I’ve noticed that the Wikipedia WA 2008 election page also lacks a pendulum. I guess that’s next on my list.
How’s this for something interesting.
https://www.cairnspost.com.au/news/tableland/how-did-massive-biboohra-croc-wind-up-in-unusual-spot/news-story/6b968c4011e44005d42e84db2c8ae9cf?giftid=g9CMaXN20T
I had to check the date to see if it wasn’t April 1st.
Then there’s this.
https://www.cairnspost.com.au/news/cairns/rangers-shoot-biboohra-croc-on-the-atherton-tablelands/news-story/4d2834c0d5047367766f64d7920436af?giftid=8NnCNk5Ret
Your thoughts Upnorth, could you ever imagine this happening.
Good to see C@t back.
PS, if the links can’t be accessed my apologies.
I notice that A-E used a term of abuse ‘yarpie’ in relation to the South African Cricket team.
It has the same sort of origin as ‘country yokel’. The usual target for this term of abuse is Afrikaaners.
I imagine that Rabada, for example, might be a bit bemused that he is now evidently an honarary ‘yarpie’.
Kirsdarkesays:
Friday, June 13, 2025 at 7:34 pm
Upnorth @ #892 Friday, June 13th, 2025 – 7:31 pm
Kirsdarkesays:
Friday, June 13, 2025 at 6:24 pm
Whew, completed my latest Wikipedia task, adding a post election pendulum to the WA 2013 election.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Western_Australian_state_election#Post-election_pendulum
I thought it would be better to go off the ALP v. L/NP margins with notes below for the 2CP margins, since it didn’t feel right to put seats like Eyre and Warren-Blackwood as “Marginal” just because they had close contests between Liberals and Nationals.
中华人民共和国
Good work mate – only problem is the Tories won. But can’t see them wining the Sand Groper vote again for some time yet.
Yeah, true, just it was March 2013, a few months before Gillard lost the PM’ship, it was a dreadful time for Labor nation-wide, but still, it happened, and should be recorded down for history.
中华人民共和国
Oath mate oath. Useful reminder what infighting does.
When Gair and his cohorts got expelled by the Queensland Central Executive in 1957 the QCE thought not to worry – Labor would be back in Queensland in one or two terms. It took 32 years and lots of heartbreak for man Labor folk. Well done cobber – you’re a good stick.
If anything it was a testament to Mark McGowan’s political ability to hold at least 20 seats while it was 43-57 against Labor.
As the Liberals found out in 2021 and 2025, it could have been so much worse.
Ven says:
Friday, June 13, 2025 at 7:38 pm
”
newy boysays:
Friday, June 13, 2025 at 5:17 pm
Ven, Friday, June 13, 2025 at 2:20 pm:
And Jews across the world wonder why anti-semitism is on the rise.
Ven, are you suggesting that antisemitism would be a justifiable response to the actions of the Netanyahu Israeli Government? If so, I’m very disappointed in you.
”
newy boy
No, that is not what I am saying. Didn’t you read the newspapers and watch the TV, where Jews are saying that anti-semitism is on the rise.
Like Israelis, people in other countries attacked by Israeli government without provocation or in ME, also want to live. If they have anti-semitic feelings, what can you do about it.
__________
The thing is, your explanation isn’t helping your case. Best leave it, Ven.