The West Australian had a poll on Tuesday from Painted Dog Research that put the exact question to be featured on the ballot paper at the Indigenous voice referendum found a 60-40 of its WA-only respondent base coming down in favour, with sharp distinctions by age (71-29 in favour among 18-to-34, 63-37 in favour among 35-to-54 and 53-47 against among 55-plus) and gender (69-31 for yes among women compared with 51-49 among men). The poll was conducted over the weekend from a sample of 1052,
The only other poll news unrelated to Aston that I have to hang a new open thread off is the regular Roy Morgan result, which has Labor’s two-party lead at 57-43 from primary votes of Labor 35.5%, Coalition 32% and Greens 13%. The poll was conducted last Monday to Sunday, so may have picked up static from the New South Wales election, with an unreported sample size.
This is actual video of Dan Andrews responding to question about Dutton and by election
https://twitter.com/SquizzSTK/status/1642356737742356480?t=wFfpv3vs2W4sff9Si7Urvw&s=19
Steve777says:
Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 12:17 pm
The glasses make Dutton look less like a skinhead.
Labor’s trophy candidate/member, Garrett had the skinhead look and on meeting him, displayed a very plausible suburban railway station hangabout. A disaster!
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/10/minister-described-30m-western-sydney-airport-land-purchase-as-perfectly-sensible
It would seems the Fibs/ Nats leadership, management, coordination, administration barrel has so rusted through, they’re now down to considering the F team?
Though I supposed this could be after the referendum, making some pigs more equal than others, establishing a permanent ATSI lobby to parliament instead of tent embassy outside.
Somehow I can’t see A citizens like Australian pick the F team, at all really. But then again I was surprised in 2013, if not 1996, and would have been appalled in 1975.
Some time ago I met both Fletcher and O’Farrell, they used to come to the school sometimes. The former was generally way overdressed, in the way of spin doctors, real estate agents etc everywhere.
Even did naturalisation.
Fletcher before pollyTICs was at a telco, but that does not seem furthered his understanding of the value as against price, cost, let alone valuation of land, of infrastructure.
Should he be Uncle Rupert’s great last hope dowunder, the future’s looking good for advancing Australia, fair.
I guess he wouldn’t be still in blue and still no clue like Reichspotato, let alone the words salads before, even 300 words slogan, 3 word slogans.
“Liberal values won’t change, vows Dutton”
Prepare for more defeats then.
“The smart move is for Hastie to wait for Dutton to lose the next election.’
Hastie is an empty wheelie bin.
Hastie has all the appeal of Malcolm Fraser as a star ruckman for Carlton.
It won’t happen.
Kos Samaras
@KosSamaras
1. What happened in Aston is the new norm – for the Liberal Party.
Across Australia, they only hold 14 urban electorates.
Perth – 1
Adelaide – 1
Melbourne – 3
Sydney – 6
Brisbane – 3
Hobart – 0
Darwin – 0
ACT – 0
Just 2 more seats than the Greens/Teals/Ind who hold 12.
2. By attempting to appease the QLD LNP, they have alienated ALL major capital city voters in Aus.
Dutton made references to what ‘outer suburban’ parents think about Trans issues on Insiders this morning.
He has no idea what they think. His party does not represent them.
3. If we focus on established urban areas that don’t contain semi rural components, the Liberal Party’s capital city status drops to 8.
So in reality, the Greens/Teals and Independents hold more established urban seats than the Liberal Party. Think about that for a moment!
https://twitter.com/KosSamaras/status/1642362856669859840
Mexicanbeemer says:
Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 12:55 pm
Cronussays:
Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 12:03 pm
Interesting too was Dutton’s retort that essentially LGBTIQ+ ideological issues were important to his more regional constituents. All good but let’s face it, these constituents are a significant minority of Australia’s population and entirely unrepresentative of the majority views.
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Really i just don’t believe this because these same regional areas voted overwhelmingly yes to SSM and knowing country people they couldn’t care less about this issue and would be more worried about the cost of living and the commodity prices.
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We can only take Peter at his word and he was quite clear about this. Of course, the reality is probably that it’s a key issue of his key supporter’s ongoing cultural wars that are entirely irrelevant to most Australians.
Someone suggested to me that the Liberal Party was “a badly named political party, that existed for a relatively short time in the 20th century, was overexposed by a politician named Howard and was put to the sword from a self-inflicted wound early in the 21st century by another politician named Morrison ” (aka the fiddler).
Australia, he added, “was saved by an Italian immigrant with all the colour and appeal of a summer gelato” and became known as ‘the doer”.
Dan Andrews asked about China trip and media
https://twitter.com/SquizzSTK/status/1642360030279393280?t=CABiIq-boiD6YxtG3ef4oA&s=19
gollsays:
Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 1:26 pm
Someone suggested to me that the Liberal Party was “a badly named political party.
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The Liberals name reflects that party was made up of Deakin Liberals because while Menzies looks conservative by today’s standards but in his era Victorian politics was made up of two Liberal factions and Conservatives. The radical Liberals become the ALP and Greens and the Deakin Liberals joined Conservatives to become today’s Liberal Party then overtime Deakin Liberals shifted to the ALP Greens and Teals.
Dan Andrews was just asked about the collapse of the big house builder – yet another.
When going through the tenders for the building project I have had carriage of I asked the selected tenderer owner (before signing the contract) to provide evidence of financial stability. He immediately provided same and gave clearance for us to contact the company’s accountant to ask any questions.
We did sign and afterwards I asked him how so many builders were going under. He said it was pretty simple. Just keep your accounts up to date and watch the balance sheet like a hawk to identify any disturbing trends and take immediate action to overcome them.
Perhaps the governments who license these builders could make it conditional upon them to submit quarterly high level balance sheet reports for review.
There is no way known that these companies that fold don’t know well in advance of it that they continued to trade (ie take on new business and deposits) while insolvent.
I think that Rowan Dean from Outsiders should run the Liberal Party just to finish them off for good.
Ven @ #453 Sunday, April 2nd, 2023 – 8:40 am
This is turning into a nuckin’ futs conspiracy theory of the Left. 🙄
I live in a Regional area of Sydney and can I just say that we have an overabundance of LGBTQI+ residents in our area due to their fleeing persecution in Sydney at the time of the gay murders. They are all, to a man and woman and whatever in-between that makes them happy, well-loved members of our community, by our community.
So, basically, Peter Dutton is lying through his teeth. Again.
Tweet from Paul Bongiorno “Watching Peta Credlin on @SkyNewsAust
the Labor Party will be hoping the liberals listen to her and go back to 1955 or better still 1770 because that’s where they are.”
@steve davis: The Liberal Party is already effectively run on the basis of what Rowan Dean thinks is important.
In the Howard years the culture wars stuff was a distraction used to get their way on the economic policies that really mattered to the Libs and their donors. At some point along the line, following the lead of people like Abbott and Dutton, the culture wars stuff has become the entire point of the enterprise, even while they’ve ultimately lost the culture wars and lose it further with each new voter who turns 18.
BKsays:
Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:24 pm
Tweet from Paul Bongiorno “Watching Peta Credlin on @SkyNewsAust
the Labor Party will be hoping the liberals listen to her and go back to 1955 or better still 1770 because that’s where they are.”
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The Liberals would be more electable if they went back to 1955.
The more the Libs listen to those nutters on Sky news the better. Id love to see the termination of the Libs as a party.
Mexicanbeemer @ #601 Sunday, April 2nd, 2023 – 2:09 pm
But the thing is, living as I do in a regional area, and having kids who have as friends young people that have come out as whatever they want to be, this issue, I know, is a definite non-starter. Their attitude is, why are the old people getting so worked up about it!?!
C@T
But the thing is, living as I do in a regional area, and having kids who have as friends young people that have come out as whatever they want to be, this issue, I know, is a definite non-starter. Their attitude is, why are the old people getting so worked up about it!?!
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Yet i’m not sure older people are getting worked up about it because apart from people driven by their religious beliefs the only time most people would give this a thought is when its brought by the media.
Adelaide’s train and tram services will return to public hands after the South Australian government signed a deal to transition them back to state ownership. The agreement will result in train operator Keolis Downer Adelaide and tram operator Torrens Connect handing back operational functions by January 2025 and July 2025 respectively. Premier Peter Malinauskas says unnecessary privatisation of a state asset has been consigned to history.
woohoo!
Dutton doesn’t get it. Victorians hate him; with a vengeance.
As long as Labor looks competent in government to the majority then the Libs just have no chance. And saying no to everything and sniping from the sidelines will just make it worse for them.
Mexicanbeemer says:
Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:46 pm
C@T
But the thing is, living as I do in a regional area, and having kids who have as friends young people that have come out as whatever they want to be, this issue, I know, is a definite non-starter. Their attitude is, why are the old people getting so worked up about it!?!
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Yet i’m not sure older people are getting worked up about it because apart from people driven by their religious beliefs the only time most people would give this a thought is when its brought by the media.
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The Uniting Church has lots of people older than me (59).
One of them once said to me “I’m not homophobic, I’m just extremely uncomfortable!”
Yet, when push came to shove, lots of “uncomfortable” people voted AGAINST resolutions that would have banned the ordination of gays/lesbians. I’m not saying the Uniting Church is a totally safe place – I’m saying large numbers of people older than me have found ways to live with their “discomfort”.
I suggest the Uniting Church membership is, on average, significantly older and slightly less progressive than the general community. Kulcha wars are not major vote-turners for Uniting Church members, even less so for the general community.
The Libs and their media boosters are choosing to bark up the wrong tree. I’ve offered my thesis as to why – my Liberal Civil War to Expunge Moderates theory.
I don’t expect public confirmation.
Coming up to a month since the last Newspoll , will there be one tonight
Warren Mundine being touted today in the media for the vacant Liberal Senate seat in NSW – yes, nothing screams renewal more than promoting to parliament the chief spokesperson for a NO vote in the referendum.
If people want to live with being uncomfortable with the LGBTQI+ community, then that’s okay too. They have a right to their opinion but they aren’t actively campaigning against them, or worse.
Mexicanbeemer @ #607 Sunday, April 2nd, 2023 – 2:46 pm
Ain’t that the truth! The Anti Trans thing is a classic media beat up.
Nicko @ #725 Sunday, April 2nd, 2023 – 2:56 pm
The crossbench is helping Labor look competent with improvements to their legislation. It’s vitally important the progressive crossbench retains the BoP.
Having 3 threads (NSW, Aston, this) going simultaneously is a nightmare!
My mind is going, I can feel it…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-La91wr8xw
Moscow has cruelled the opportunities of hundreds of Ukrainian athletes to compete at the 2024 Paris Olympics, as well as at many other international sporting events:
“ Russia’s war has killed 262 Ukrainian athletes and destroyed 363 sports facilities in Ukraine, Youth and Sports Minister Vadym Gutzeit said during a meeting on April 1 with Morinari Watanabe, president of the International Federation of Gymnastics, and President’s Office Head Andriy Yermak.”
https://kyivindependent.com/minister-russias-war-has-killed-over-200-ukrainian-athletes/
Thomas Bach and the IOC have vocally denounced Ukraine’s call for a boycott if Russian athletes can compete at Paris, but what have they got to say about what Russians have done to deny so many Ukrainian athletes their fair chance?
“Лозанна має бути зруйнована.”
Mexicanbeemer @ #719 Sunday, April 2nd, 2023 – 2:28 pm
It’s the Christian conservative takeover that has changed the Liberal Party electoral fortunes.
Old school Christianity now dominates the party platform, much like the US Republican party.
They’re fast become a minor fringe party, if not there already.
Dutton is putting himself in the same camp as Mark Latham, that must be so offputting for moderate Liberal voters in suburban Australia especially.
Yeah, attacking trans people will obviously win them back seats in Melbourne, ya think?
If Nikki Savva’s correct, the bloodshed in their partyroom will occur after the Voice Referendum, and if Dutton goes for a NO vote and tries to bind the Liberal Party to that position, I predict Birmingham, Broadbent, Bridget Archer and Andrew Bragg will all cause trouble.
Evan says:
Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 3:23 pm
Dutton is putting himself in the same camp as Mark Latham, that must be so offputting for moderate Liberal voters in suburban Australia especially.
Yeah, attacking trans people will obviously win them back seats in Melbourne, ya think?
If Nikki Savva’s correct, the bloodshed in their partyroom will occur after the Voice Referendum, and if Dutton goes for a NO vote and tries to bind the Liberal Party to that position, I predict Birmingham, Broadbent, Bridget Archer and Andrew Bragg will all cause trouble.
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If the Libs were interested in being a ‘broad church’ (they aren’t) – they’d pick Bridget Archer as leader AND allow her to lead.
I’d tune in to Sky for THAT reaction!
If, as some smart person said, the Liberal Party exists to keep Labor out of office, they are not doing a very good job
Picking on the vulnerable and marginalised to win votes is a dead end street.
If, as some smart person said, the Liberal Party exists to keep Labor out of office, they are not doing a very good job
Picking on the vulnerable and marginalised to win votes is a dead end street.
‘Like lighting a match’: Trump ramps up rhetoric as legal walls close in
Donald Trump understands the camera. He is particular about angles, lighting and his inimitable orange hair. But come this Tuesday, in a New York courthouse, the camera will become his tormentor as Trump, once the most powerful man in the world, is told to provide a mug shot like a common criminal.
“There’s nothing traditional about Donald Trump and there never has been, but we’ve never been in this situation before and what’s different now is how polarised we are,” said Frank Luntz, a pollster who has worked on numerous Republican election campaigns. “This is like lighting a match in the middle of a bonfire that’s been doused with gasoline. I’m afraid that we’re lighting a match and we’re going to see on Tuesday what happens.”
Luntz, the pollster, warned: “If you go to kill the king and the king lives, you die. If you prosecute Donald Trump and he is found innocent, there will be no stopping him. If he is found guilty, there’ll be no calming down of his most fervent supporters. Either way, it’s bad for the American democracy.”
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/like-lighting-a-match-trump-ramps-up-rhetoric-as-legal-walls-close-in/ar-AA19mT1w?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=fc7218b1a3444bf3811e28a9cf5c0c5c&ei=10
Unless the policy is an intentionally destructive and mean spirited one such as Robodebt, or a notion that might advantage supporters &/or benefactors that is developed to appeal to the wider voter bloc but only ever benefits those for whom the initial notion intended, the LNP is policy lazy. They just don’t do it.
Dutton will not change the ‘values’ theme despite the rest of the country looking on and shaking their heads in disbelief, it is his ‘cover-story’.
They believe that efforts to develop sensible policy would be wasted effort as it would be contrary to their fundamental obligation to their mates.
The only hope for them is something so devastating for their opposition that it would render them unelectable; in short A Bradbury Solution.
Labor has a lot of reasons to prevent that taking place.
BK says:
Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 9:51 am
Niki Savva and Raph Epstein were really good value on Insiders this morning.
Opening salvo form Niki.. ” It’s Liberal party branch stacking”, what Niki didn’t fill in is branch stacking by right wing Christians at the expense of middle small l Liberals, given Dutton won’t move against them they are doomed .. doomed..
Once upon a time there were some decent Tories. People like Ian McPhee, Fred Chaney etc, I would even count the latter day Malcolm Fraser too, but those days are long gone. They are now an extreme right parody of the party that they once were. Does anybody believe that there is a Mary Doyle in the Liberal Party? They are the Nasty Party.
I think prosecuting powerful people for their crimes is ultimately good for democracy, the issue is that it doesn’t happen enough.
How anyone can go and argue in public that ignoring crimes because of politics is quite extraordinary but that is how broken the US political system is.
Sceptic @ #741 Sunday, April 2nd, 2023 – 4:45 pm
I take it that Savva was the only one who had the guts to half-heartedly say the Libs had been taken over by the Pell crew of Christian conservative extremists and are now out of touch with the centre ..?
Nicko @ #743 Sunday, April 2nd, 2023 – 4:59 pm
Sadly, politics sometimes influences the judiciary.
We suffered that here with Pell and the HCA.
wonder how julian leecer feels for years he has claimed to support the consept of the voice but now as shadow aterney general he has to apose it dutton stunt on nazies triying to wedge labor which actualy gave the ishue more publisity then Sarah henderson making a big deal about murray watt was not smartwhen labor did not take therushed ,motion leecer was forced to draft dutton looked stupid he is not very smart after gay marige and the hard right triying to make in nsw 2019 2 g b and sky tried to bring down gladis over abortion failed thenthen used gay marige sucess to bring down turnbull after deves dutton might have realized trans hate does not work asbragg said we are not america
how much further does sky want liberals to go to the right dutton has all ready tackin the liberals there with his constant attacks on indiginis communities it is clear he still believes he did the right thingwalking out believing the apoligie Rudd gave was a mistake but as iits looks bad he feelt he had to protend he regreted due to theopdicks plus his sexist pertrail of woman would not helpd resolvesupport amung female voters after morrison
but even savaatempted th sell us thee lyne that frydenberg atypical centerist liberal was a moderit and would be a good opposition leader desbite no evidence of him actualy being won he tried to save kevin andrews last preselection hw ever wolahan is not very impresive as replacement on abc yesterday maybi the federal liberals need a matt kean so liberals need to go further right and cick out all the moderits andall ways be in government this plan worked out very well invick and wa only reason the liberals did reasonable in nsw is kean 2 g b would not like to admit this
is Dutt even popular in qld he was used as the main spokesman to helpthe l n p winn atthe last state election constantly attacking palaschezk and premoating his state coleagues but he was un able to stop labor winning a increased majority stange how labor is popular at state levil in qld but not federal maybi mMurray watt needs a lower house seat and uselis mps such as Graham perit and shain newman need to retire
Rex Douglas
It’s the Christian conservative takeover that has changed the Liberal Party electoral fortunes.
Old school Christianity now dominates the party platform, much like the US Republican party.
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I’m not sure what, in the Australian context, you mean by “old school Christianity”.
Australia has never really been a religious nation and religion is largely absent from the national founding mythology. Religious enthusiasm has always been viewed with a large degree of suspicion.
The Liberal Party, to the extent religion was relevant, was the political expression of traditional English and Scottish Protestantism as the Labour Party was of Irish Catholicism (also with a Methodist element). But it was not considered appropriate for religion to be too obvious.
Pentecostalism and Mormonism, and their deliberate political ambitions, are recent imports from the USA. Maybe it parallels the importation of the values (pathologies?) of the USA middle class by Australia’s contemporary “left”.
It’s really all very much new school.
Coorey: In his first press conference as Opposition Leader, Peter Dutton said big business, with its ever-growing focus on environmental, social and governance protocols, was no longer the natural ally of the Liberal Party. After being rebuffed in its heartland inner-city seats for teal and Labor MPs at the May 2022 election, the Liberal Party’s salvation, said Dutton, lay in the suburbs and regions. “Our policies will be squarely aimed at the forgotten Australians in the suburbs across Australia,” he said with a Menzian flourish.
Interest rates are through the roof, as are energy prices and the cost of living in general. Yet, the Liberals, who campaigned on pretty much nothing else, were smoked on Saturday night. They are the ones fast becoming the forgotten Australians. Do not underestimate the impact of voter discontent with Liberal candidate Roshena Campbell who did not live in the seat and was destroyed by Labor’s ground and social media campaign as the barrister from Brunswick.
The 15 per cent of voters of Chinese origin also plumped for Labor, demonstrating the federal Coalition has not healed that rift either. Nonetheless, the loss of Aston leaves the Liberals holding just 14 of the 79 seats which the Australian Electoral Commission classifies as urban, according to pollster Kos Samaras of the Redbridge group.
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/dutton-s-suburban-dream-becomes-a-liberal-nightmare-20230402-p5cxdz
Nicko @ #628 Sunday, April 2nd, 2023 – 4:59 pm
It’s Frank Luntz. Architect of the successful words such as ‘Axis of Evil’, for George W. He’s broken in the brain.