The post-budget Newspoll finds Labor’s two-party lead at 55-45, in from 57-43 at the previous poll eight weeks ago. Both major parties are up on the primary vote, Labor by one to 38% and the Coalition by four to 35%. All other players are down: the Greens by two to 11%, One Nation by one to 6%, the United Australia Party by one to 1% and all others by one to 9%. Anthony Albanese’s lead on preferred prime minister has slipped from 61-22 to 54-27, and he is down two on approval to 59% and up four on disapproval to 33%. Peter Dutton is up on both approval and disapproval, respectively by four points to 39% and three points to 46%. The poll was conducted Thursday to Sunday from a sample of 1500.
The poll also includes the same suite of questions on response to the budget that Newspoll has been posing since the late 1980s, which you can read about here – I’ll have more to say about those later. Note also the other new posts below this one – my own lengthy compendium of New South Wales state election news, and Adrian Beaumont’s coverage of Brazil’s presidential election and other international electoral events.
UPDATE (Resolve Strategic): Now there is a Resolve Strategic poll from the Age/Herald, with stronger results for Labor: their primary vote is unchanged on the poll three weeks ago at 39%, with the Coalition up two to 32%, the Greens up one to 13%, One Nation down one to 4%, the United Australia Party down two to 1%, independents down one to 8% and others up one to 3%. Anthony Albanese leads Peter Dutton by 53-19 as preferred prime minister, in from 55-17 three weeks ago. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Sunday from a sample of 1611.
The budget was rated good for “the country as a whole” by 44% and for “me and my household” by 28%, compared with 50% and 40% respectively for the March budget – it’s not clear how many of the remainder particularly rated it as bad. Four options for action on power prices all received strong support: 79% for price caps, 59% for taxpayer subsidies for those on low incomes, 64% for heavily subsidising home solar power and 67% for reserving gas for the local market, with 3%, 14%, 11% and 4% respectively opposed. Thirty-six per cent considered Labor had broken promises to “cut power bills and get wages moving”, with 12% disagreeing and 53% either undecided or considering it too early to say.
UPDATE (Newspoll budget response): For the questions Newspoll asks after every budget, an even 29% rated it both good and bad for the economy, but 47% rated it negative for personal impact compared with only 12% for positive. Thirty-four per cent felt the opposition would have done a better job, with 48% disagreeing. Another question gauged the extent to which respondents felt the budget properly balanced the cost of living and the budget deficit: 6% felt it put too much emphasis on the former, 25% too much emphasis on the latter, 23% felt it struck the right balance and 31% felt it didn’t do enough for either.
This marks the thirty-sixth budget of which Newspoll has asked essentially the same set of questions going back to 1988. The results are the sixth worst for personal impact and the ninth worst for economic impact, although it rates in the middle of the pack on the question of whether the opposition would have done better. The latter point is illustrated by the first of the charts below, which records Labor budgets in red and Coalition budgets in blue. The second chart illustrates the correlation between positive results on personal and economic impact. In landing right on the trendline, this shows no particular sense that the budget favoured either economic concerns or personal finances relative to its somewhat negative reception overall.
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Benjamin Netanyahu may be back – but the true victory belongs to Israel’s far right, explains Lloyd Green.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/02/benjamin-netanyahu-israel-far-right-religious-zionism-party-itamar-ben-gvir
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I remember the days when Netanyahu was called far-right politician. Now it seems Israel has far-right politicians, who are far-right to Netanyahu. Why are they called only far-right politicians and not you know…..
ItzaDream @ #1249 Thursday, November 3rd, 2022 – 10:48 am
I’m sorry but Ven is skating on thin ice with me today. They’re also supporting the Retail and Fast Food Workers Union, a bunch of sad clowns who are trying to undercut the real union for supermarket and fast food workers. It is the RAFFWU that negotiated a deal with Dominoes for below Minimum Wage pay. The SDA or the AWU would never do that. And then Ven invites Red Clyde and wranslide to take a whack. I’m pissed off and proud to say I support real unions and not crews masquerading as one in order to negotiate pay down and conditions away for the most vulnerable workers in our society!
Pocock:
https://twitter.com/DavidPocock/status/1587939410640633857
(leads to Guardian piece by Murphy on polling support for PPRT)
@socrates, 8:24pm last night:
“ Dr Doolittle, Cronus and any others interested in the diplomatic side of Defense,
I read today a translation of the French parliamentary inquiry into the “AUKUS affair” as they call it. Quite apart from any technical debates, it is damning of the diplomatic and geopolitical consequences. Linked below, long, translated (quite clear though) and worth a read.
Several points stick out:
– the French sub deal was not just a commercial contract. There was an inter-governmental framework signed by Turnbull and French ministers.
– This included regular meetings to discuss progress and notify any concerns. Defence and FMs met in regular 2+2 meetings. Payne and Dutton said nothing. In France’s view this was a clear breach of the Australia- France agreement.
– the French did not think the nuclear power excuse added up and saw AUKUS as a deliberate act to tie Australian defense closely to USA for the future.
– the French were shocked Australia would give up it’s sovereignty in this way.
– the French were also concerned this raised the risk of conflict in the Indo-Pacific.
https://www-assemblee–nationale-fr.translate.goog/dyn/docs/CRCANR5L15S2022PO59046N005.raw?_x_tr_sl=fr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc”
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It is astonishing that Australia would lurch into what is effectively an ‘America only’ military arrangement for our future defence security without first insisting on a NATO style upgrade to ANZUS.
Especially given the commitments that France gave both us and the US regarding their position in defending the South Pacific.
The American’s have gotten us, lock stock and barrel, without any concrete commitments from them in return. THAT explains exactly with Biden and Blinken went along with the ScoMo AUKUS Malarkey in the first place. Johnson probably believed that the Americans would end us subcontracting most of the submarine work to BAE (both in the UK and and at maybe – an outside chance – at Osborne in Adelaide) & that may end up being the case, but our sovereign submarine capability has been ruined, with inevitable decade’s looming capability gaps yawning: with Defence and both major political parties clamouring for Australia to be ‘volunteered’ for front line geopolitical pawn duties on behalf of America’s interests in the Asia-Pacific.
Madness. Sheer and utter madness.
ItzaDreamsays:
Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 10:44 am
“schemer
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Anyone we know?
Go Zoomster!!! Thanks for the story C@t. The old man and I too have stood in various Elections for Mother Labor – you are a good Cobber. Go get ’em Tories.
UK Cartoons:
Peter Brookes on #RishiSunak #matthancok #ToryChaos
Morten Morland’s Spectator cartoon #RishiSunak #Refugees
Patrick Blower on #Putin #UkraineRussianWar
Steve Bell on a #Cop27 about-turn #RishiSunak #BorisJohnson
Peter Schrank: #BorisJohnson is the sort of politician who’s a disaster for his country, and a gift to us cartoonists. #RishiSunak #BrexitHasFailed #Migration #Manston #AsylumSeekers #Refugee
Dave Brown on #SuellaBraverman #XRays #AsylumSeekers #Refugees #LeakySue #ToriesUnfitToGovern #GeneralElectionNow
Guy Venables on #IACGMOOH #MattHancock #Imaceleb2022 #ImACelebrityGetMeOutOfHere
Graeme Keyes on #SuellaBraverman #Invasion #LeakySue #AsylumSeekers #Refugees #ToriesCostLives
Andy Davey: #RishiSunak has found time to attend #COP27 . Why? Is that to make sure King Chas stays out, or to obscure #Johnson’s limelight? Nah! it’s because he cares about #ClimateEmergency, I reckon
Christian Adams on #ImACelebrityGetMeOutOfHere #ImACeleb #Imaceleb2022 #matthancock:
Interesting Ukraine war map GIS -https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/032e50755305481a88f421b6543e3295
C@tmomma says:
Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 10:54 am
ItzaDream @ #1249 Thursday, November 3rd, 2022 – 10:48 am
Careful C@t, that last sentence might raise a flag.
I’m sorry but Ven is skating on thin ice with me today. They’re also supporting the Retail and Fast Food Workers Union, a bunch of sad clowns who are trying to undercut the real union for supermarket and fast food workers. It is the RAFFWU that negotiated a deal with Dominoes for below Minimum Wage pay. The SDA or the AWU would never do that. And then Ven invites Red Clyde and wranslide to take a whack. I’m pissed off and proud to say I support real unions and not crews masquerading as one in order to negotiate pay down and conditions away for the most vulnerable workers in our society!
中华人民共和国
+1 for me. Im QLD the LNP even started a fake Nurses Union – with retired Nurses.
C@tmomma says:
I’m sorry but Ven is skating on thin ice with me today. They’re also supporting the Retail and Fast Food Workers Union, a bunch of sad clowns who are trying to undercut the real union for supermarket and fast food workers. It is the RAFFWU that negotiated a deal with Dominoes for below Minimum Wage pay. The SDA or the AWU would never do that. And then Ven invites Red Clyde and wranslide to take a whack. I’m pissed off and proud to say I support real unions and not crews masquerading as one in order to negotiate pay down and conditions away for the most vulnerable workers in our society!
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Just apply everything C@t said about the RAFFWU to the SDA and vice versa and that would be accurate.
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Cronussays:
Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 7:47 am
The US central bank lifted its main interest rate by 0.75 percentage point on Wednesday . Jerome Powell noted that “it would be “very premature to think about pausing and that the final level of interest rates may end up being higher than expected. We have a ways to go,” Mr Powell said at a press conference after the rate decision. “The historical record cautions strongly against prematurely loosening policy. We will stay the course until the job’s done.”
The future prognosis doesn’t yet appear to be terribly positive and will no doubt have ramifications elsewhere well into next year at the very least.
https://www.afr.com/world/north-america/federal-reserve-raises-its-key-rate-0-75ppt-20221103-p5bv5h
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Cronus
Forget next year. There will be immediate ramifications on mid-term election next Tuesday.
BTW, did you notice how timidly our RBA acted before May election and how bravely they are acting after May election. Is it possible, just possible, the RBA Board members, all/ atleast most of whom were appointed by LNP, have something to do with that and our RBA is no longer independent as it and our politicians proclaim?
Or
Is it a thing with Federal Banks, who act so-called freely only when social -democratic parties are in government?
Sure, nath. 😐
C@tmomma @ #1252 Thursday, November 3rd, 2022 – 10:54 am
We should hive off down the beach, light a fire, and have some mushrooms. I’d love to have done some psilocybins, but professional integrity kept me on the straight (if you know what I mean) and narrow, blessedly probably. And now I’m told I’m too old.
On the subject of old, and matters mind expanding, one thing that did come out of our reunion last whenever was sitting next to an wonderful colleague, still working, counselling as part of her husbands family practice (Sydney’s north shore), a wise and wonderful woman, who put me onto Oliver Sacks Gratitude. Beautiful little book I read in one sitting as soon as I unpacked it. Highly recommended.
C@t. Ven.
I don’t think Ven invited me to take a ‘whack’. But. Having seen your latest post I will take the bait and respond to what is surely a trolling post from you c@t. Nobody, who claims to be as connected and as informed as you do, could possibly believe what you just posted.
To highlight for you:
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C@t
It is the RAFFWU that negotiated a deal with Dominoes for below Minimum Wage pay. The SDA or the AWU would never do that.
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If you read the article posted by Ven or had any semblance of understanding about Labor politics you would know that it was, in fact, the SDA which negotiated the deal. Not the rabble Union. The SDA has picked it’s socks up alot lately primarily in response to the rabble Union being on their case and their members expecting more. But the old SDA and its deals remain and have legacies. This is one.
Anyway c@t, perhaps you should go back to writing motions for general business or something. At least you have to get a seconder for those as opposed to the dribble and rants you post here on a minute by minute basis.
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The first court day exposed the bitter fight at the centre of the scandal revealed in investigations by The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald, which detailed arrangements between big business and shop assistants union the SDA that affected more than 250,000 workers
I have seen it in a woman in her late 40’s caring for her husband with early onset Alzheimer’s – all the way to the end. It still makes me tear up. I learnt from her what love and duty really is – how exhausting and difficult and rewarding and beautiful it is.
nath says:
Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 10:59 am
C@tmomma says:
I’m sorry but Ven is skating on thin ice with me today. They’re also supporting the Retail and Fast Food Workers Union, a bunch of sad clowns who are trying to undercut the real union for supermarket and fast food workers. It is the RAFFWU that negotiated a deal with Dominoes for below Minimum Wage pay. The SDA or the AWU would never do that. And then Ven invites Red Clyde and wranslide to take a whack. I’m pissed off and proud to say I support real unions and not crews masquerading as one in order to negotiate pay down and conditions away for the most vulnerable workers in our society!
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Just apply everything C@t said about the RAFFWU to the SDA and vice versa and that would be accurate.
中华人民共和国
Sorry cobber can’t agree with you there. John Hogg (SDA QLD) did a mighty job when my brother had been underpaid for three years and then terminated when he asked why. My brother had three little kids and he was single bread winner at home.
My brother got back pay and then termination pay. Hoggie through some connections got him a better job and he is now QLD Manager of the joint. Two of the three kids are now at Uni. A decent and honourable chap is John Hogg.
Nath is right in his observation.
There is an incoherence at the core of Australian defence policy. We are very dependent on the US, a power that’s becoming increasingly reactionary, erratic and incoherent; and to this we have added a fresh attachment to the UK, which has been incompetently led for decades.
We need to re-think our interests and the means we have to advance them in this century.
wranslide says:
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If you read the article posted by Ven or had any semblance of understanding about Labor politics you would know that it was, in fact, the SDA which negotiated the deal.
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Incredible isn’t it?
Up North Cobber, actually read what Nath was responding to. He was responding to the assertion (or whatever it was) that c@t had said that RAFFWUTF had negotiated the deal with the Pizza Joint which was being attacked in Court when it was the SDA.
Glad you like Mr Hogg. He was a decent fellow. But that wasn’t what Nath was highlight Cobber fair crack.
@Nath, it has to be a parody account surely?
C@t has been defending the SDA on here for years. Even as their dodgy deals with employers have been exposed and declared illegal. One after the other.
wranslide says:
Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 11:14 am
@Nath, it has to be a parody account surely?
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You would think so at times. But that is what fanaticism does, they read things in ways which only conform to their fanaticism. The words get all twisted about and then regurgitated in new and unique ways that adheres to the Party line.
@Wranslide, 9:43pm yesterday:
“ Socrates, I think the problem is less with civilian leadership, but more in the defence and foreign policy establishment of this country that is so tied, seduced and unimaginative that it can think of nothing else but the US and UK.
It is a damning indictment that we continue to engage in this stuff without regard to our actual security needs and the importance of our relationships in Asia including China.
And as for Marles. Well.”
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Spot on.
In truth, one can’t talk about ‘The Labor Right’ in monolithic terms. ‘The right’ is divided into two camps on this – the Victorian Wolverines (of which Marles has a complicated relationship with, but whose chicomm views fairly align) and the traditionalists (whose recent alumni include Rudd, Carr, Keating and whose views stretch right back to Whitlam). Albo views probably straddles both camps, as does Wong. Ultimately, although Albo is from the NSW ‘hard left’ paradoxically that is not the left sub faction that includes the Marxist fellow travellers. Of all the people within NSW Labor his ideology probably mots closely aligns with … Leo McLeay … in fact the whole ‘Left verses Right’ blews of the mid to late 1990s were largely kabuki theatre orchestrated beneath the Sydney Town Hall stairs by those two …
At heart, Albo is a Catholic pragmatist and he probably thinks that moderating the excesses of the previous administration but sticking pretty close to the Biden administration is his safest and wisest course of action: one that is unlikely to expend much of his political capital, which will have to be spent big time in other areas, especially with the fight against inflation and cost of living pressures.
Simon Katich @ #289 Thursday, November 3rd, 2022 – 11:07 am
Thank you Simon – beautifully expressed. My late brother had early onset dementia at 55 while very fit and otherwise healthy. My sister in law looked after him all the way through albeit with some some very skilled family support and carers. She did use respite at times, but even then would go in to ensure he was being fed as required. Very hard gig.
Dems getting desperate? I agree with what he says, but coming less than a week from the midterms I dont think this is going to work….. or even go down well.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/02/politics/biden-speech-democracy-dc/index.html
wranslide says:
Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 11:12 am
Up North Cobber, actually read what Nath was responding to. He was responding to the assertion (or whatever it was) that c@t had said that RAFFWUTF had negotiated the deal with the Pizza Joint which was being attacked in Court when it was the SDA.
Glad you like Mr Hogg. He was a decent fellow. But that wasn’t what Nath was highlight Cobber fair crack.
中华人民共和国
Yes cobber. Don’t worry I have read Nath and Vens’ comments. And don’t forget Nath and I have a Non-Agression pact. I wasn’t having a go at him but did have to pull him up on this line:
“Just apply everything C@t said about the RAFFWU to the SDA and vice versa and that would be accurate.”
I simply can’t agree with that given my QLD and therefore personal experiences. There is only one person who posts on here that I don’t read anymore and she shall remain nameless.
I’m not having a dig at you or Ven either cobber. Just matter of fact and personal experiences.
Also the fake Nurses Union in QLD, set up by the LNP, is simply a front for the LNP to use the media to criticise the QLD Labor Government. The Unity of Labour is the Hope of the World.
Upnorth –
Also the fake Nurses Union in QLD, set up by the LNP, is simply a front for the LNP to use the media to criticise the QLD Labor Government. The Unity of Labour is the Hope of the World.
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The SDA is a fake union. Has been for decades. It is only interested in advancing the politics of Catholicism. Your brother who was helped, was he Catholic?
laughtong, it is a horrible illness.
I am interested in the 2 stories in the Herald Sun about Catherine Andrew’s car crash in Jan 2013.
It is coming up to 10 years ago. Any time limitations in further investigations/charges.
Any lawyers around atm?
Andrew_Earlwood @ #1274 Thursday, November 3rd, 2022 – 11:17 am
Plus not only entrenched but the inevitable momentum of defence planning, and the time frames involved, pretty much precludes reversals at every change of government. Shit sandwich stuff. We’ve had 10 years of incompetent muddling along following the pissing his pants to the White House trail Howard left, after Keating sadly was kiboshed by the white picket fence, but now hopefully we might be blessed with 3 terms at least of sensible thoughtful redirection. It’s what happens next in the USA that frightens the bjessus out of me – I mean, it’s the devil and the deep blue sea, a rock and a hard place.
nath says:
Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 11:24 am
Upnorth –
Also the fake Nurses Union in QLD, set up by the LNP, is simply a front for the LNP to use the media to criticise the QLD Labor Government. The Unity of Labour is the Hope of the World.
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The SDA is a fake union. Has been for decades. It is only interested in advancing the politics of Catholicism. Your brother who was helped, was he Catholic?
中华人民共和国
My brother became a Buddhist quite early in life. He fell in with “the wrong crowd” as he left high school and unfortunately became an alcoholic at a young age. The death of a close friend shocked him and he sought a different path.
He taught me meditation and many Buddhist learnings. He worked hard to support his family and was unjustly treated by his employer. John Hogg didn’t ask what religion he was when he needed help.
But if you want to have a go at the SDA because of its’ “Catholic” links why not have the same crack at the ETU in QLD. It’s run by the Masons. But if I was in the Electrical industry I’m damn sure I would join.
W@rC@t in full flight:
“ Ven, get off the grass! Mike Scrafton was a Senior Adviser to former Liberal Defence Minister in the Howard government, Peter Reith. The guy has an agenda. Believe it if you want but don’t think his sudden, at least since the election of the federal Labor government, jump into opinion writing, is anything but self-interested on behalf of the Coalition. The Coalition are just getting the antagonist band back together again and you’ve fallen for it already, hook, line and sinker.
Mick Ryan ‘whoever he is’!?! General Mick Ryan was the Commander of the Australian Defence College in 2018. I’ll believe him over the other guy any day. But you do you, Ven. You’re obviously scratching around for someone, anyone to support your pre-formed pov.”
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Pot. Kettle. Much?
Personally, I find Mick Ryan a very good read. I usually agree with his analysis, but he has been well wide of the mark on a few recent contributions, IMO. Especially concerning the proposed B-52 being based out of Tindal (I won’t repeat my analysis from yesterday, but one can scroll back if one wants a recap).
Upnorth – Thou shalt not reply to “The Troll” says:
He taught me meditation and many Buddhist learnings. He worked hard to support his family and was unjustly treated by his employer. John Hogg didn’t ask what religion he was when he needed help.
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Well that’s good for John Hogg. But your brother would never have made it up the SDA ladder, nor had their endorsement for Parliament. Those only go to Catholics.
Supporting the SDA because one of their number was nice to your brother, and ignoring their dodgy deals with employers that underpaid hundreds of thousands of poorly paid workers is a unique take on the solidarity of Labour. I’ll leave you to it.
nath says:
Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 11:38 am
Upnorth – Thou shalt not reply to “The Troll” says:
He taught me meditation and many Buddhist learnings. He worked hard to support his family and was unjustly treated by his employer. John Hogg didn’t ask what religion he was when he needed help.
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Well that’s good for John Hogg. But your brother would never have made it up the SDA ladder, nor had their endorsement for Parliament. Those only go to Catholics.
Supporting the SDA because one of their number was nice to your brother, and ignoring their dodgy deals with employers that underpaid hundreds of thousands of poorly paid workers is a unique take on the solidarity of Labour. I’ll leave you to it.
中华人民共和国
That’s ok brother. I take no umbrage with you.
Just how many times does it take for people too realise a hard truth, the LNP don’t do “budget repair” and its never been their goal.
The goal is to transfer health, education and every other vital service into the private sector. The budget is very much secondary to what they care about, they will happily pay big bux to their mates to manage things into the private sector.
Brian Houston drives Church Bus over Sengnock, alleged abuse victim…
“Upon being told of his father’s actions, Brian Houston confronted his father, reported the matter to the National Executive Assemblies of God in Australia, relayed the matter to the governing board of Sydney Christian Life Centre, and subsequently made a public announcement to the church.”
The post claimed Sengstock asked Brian Houston not to inform the police. Sengstock has previously denied this.
The penny will drop for Brian.. his defence ( & now confession ) carries no weight, he knew he had a legal obligation to report knowledge of a crime & chose not to do so.
The American’s have gotten us, lock stock and barrel, without any concrete commitments from them in return. THAT explains exactly with Biden and Blinken went along with the ScoMo AUKUS Malarkey in the first place. Johnson probably believed that the Americans would end us subcontracting most of the submarine work to BAE (both in the UK and and at maybe – an outside chance – at Osborne in Adelaide) & that may end up being the case, but our sovereign submarine capability has been ruined, with inevitable decade’s looming capability gaps yawning: with Defence and both major political parties clamouring for Australia to be ‘volunteered’ for front line geopolitical pawn duties on behalf of America’s interests in the Asia-Pacific.
Madness. Sheer and utter madness.
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But having said that, having been dealt the AUKUS sandwich, we now have to deal with its reality. I’m not sure it’s really all that different to the reality in which our Defence existed before, we’ve historically always been tied at the waist to the US and UK and this has pushed this alliance (reliance) into more an even more formal status.
There certainly is a strong element of sub-contracting our Defence out to these two major nuclear powers (an unnecessary position caused by the Coalition) that now renders us mostly as a base for their geo-strategic intentions. This brings with it the implied promise of defence dependence but also the reality of being a real target in a worst case scenario. We could probably draw some parallels with the US bases in Japan and South Korea.
In an increasingly unstable world it probably makes sense to have strong alliances though under the Coalition in particular, little attempt has really made to grow our own regional alliances. More problematic I think is the worry that a weakening UK and a distinctly unstable USA may mean that even our alliance is not entirely reliable or at least not as reliable as we’ve been used to.
I think there are still opportunities for the ALP to work more closely with Japan, South Korea and even India and Indonesia but these will be considered as secondary alliances for some time to come. Perhaps increased trade as well as Defence commitments will help to improve this situation.
So I’ve read the article now and the pile on of myself and onto the SDA also seems completely unfounded. It seems that actions Dominos took undermined the agreement the SDA thought they had agreed to honour:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/domino-s-told-franchisees-to-pay-workers-less-than-award-rate-court-hears-20221102-p5buu1.html
So, in 2016 Dominos was found to be doing the wrong thing and kept doing it up to 2018 when they moved to do the right thing by their workers.
And who got Dominos to agree to move in 2018 to the Award?
Well, having Googled the RFFWU, it seems to me that it is a far-left un-registered union created to take on the SDA, because the SDA is conservative, right-wing and Catholic. The left and far left HATE the SDA as a matter of faith. Hence the war.
I have no comments on either union in terms of how they serve their members, but I think that is less relevant than the political posturing, as demonstrated so clearly on this website.
Put another way, if you are Labor left or Greens or, especially, watermelon, the SDA is the devil’s spawn and anyone or thing that opposes them is a hero – no need to go deeper. And if you are Labor right – or support the unions that support and fund the ALP, then the RFFWU is nothing more than a tool to undermine the ALP (on the left) and split the fight for workers rights (on the further right).
TPOF @ #1290 Thursday, November 3rd, 2022 – 11:52 am
Exactly. Just note how quickly I was kicked with hobnail boots by their supporters here.
Rex Douglassays:
Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 10:31 am
Do you intentionally project yourself as being so stupid, or does it just come naturally to you?
Ven
“Cronus
Forget next year. There will be immediate ramifications on mid-term election next Tuesday.
BTW, did you notice how timidly our RBA acted before May election and how bravely they are acting after May election. Is it possible, just possible, the RBA Board members, all/ atleast most of whom were appointed by LNP, have something to do with that and our RBA is no longer independent as it and our politicians proclaim?
Or
Is it a thing with Federal Banks, who act so-called freely only when social -democratic parties are in government?”
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Agreed, amongst the turmoil I think the economy is the issue most likely to sink the Dems, regardless of their inability to do much about it.
As for our RBA, at best inept and at worst, highly suspect. Even if I give them the benefit of the doubt, Lowe must go and I hope the ALP replaces him with a competent and non-partisan individual, we deserve better.
Speaking of highly suspect…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSWBb4KOF6s
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C@tmommasays:
Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 10:45 am
Ven @ #1239 Thursday, November 3rd, 2022 – 10:36 am
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Meanwhile, Mike Scrafton says that it’s difficult to avoid the conclusion that Australia is not just complicit in, but committed to, America’s nuclear war planning.
https://johnmenadue.com/b-52s-at-raaf-tindal-commits-australia-to-americas-nuclear-war-plans/
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What can we do when Mike Ryan (so called expert), who ever he is, implies that Australia do whatever US dictates regarding Nuclear weapons.
Ven, get off the grass! Mike Scrafton was a Senior Adviser to former Liberal Defence Minister in the Howard government, Peter Reith. The guy has an agenda. Believe it if you want but don’t think his sudden, at least since the election of the federal Labor government, jump into opinion writing, is anything but self-interested on behalf of the Coalition. The Coalition are just getting the antagonist band back together again and you’ve fallen for it already, hook, line and sinker.
Mick Ryan ‘whoever he is’!?! General Mick Ryan was the Commander of the Australian Defence College in 2018. I’ll believe him over the other guy any day. But you do you, Ven. You’re obviously scratching around for someone, anyone to support your pre-formed pov.
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C@tmomma
For your kind information, My pre- formed pov since I started posting on PB was that Australia should acquire Nuclear weapons and be less dependent on erractic US when it comes to Defence. Probably I am the only one on PB who openly advocated that Australia should acquire Nuclear weapons. You were against that proposition.
Even Liberal posters never posted anything supporting Nuclear weapons acquisition or atleast kept quiet on it.
What I found hypocritical about your Nuclear weapons stand is that you say you don’t want Australia to acquire Nuclear weapons but you don’t mind Nuclear weapons by back door via US B52s. I am forming that opinion based on your support for Mike Ryan opinion.
Don’t you think Indonesia will be angry with the basing of Nuclear warhead bombers in Darwin especially when Penny Wong and Albanese tell them to trust Australia?
Is it ok with you Indonesia proceeds to acquire Nuclear weapons because Australia will have Nuclear weapons on their soil?
Most commentators have yet to twig, apparently.
The single most important country in the world for Australia’s medium- and long-term security and defence is Indonesia.
@cronus:
“ But having said that, having been dealt the AUKUS sandwich, we now have to deal with its reality. I’m not sure it’s really all that different to the reality in which our Defence existed before, we’ve historically always been tied at the waist to the US and UK and this has pushed this alliance (reliance) into more an even more formal status.”
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The big difference in 2021 is that – for the first time since the end of the Cold War 30 years ago – America is determined to lean into another superpower aggressively (and I acknowledge that it takes two to tango, so I’m not trying to apportion blame in this post) AND – for the first time since 1942-42 and then 195-53) the epicentre of this contest is in our region AND further, for the first time ever this contest is undertaken against our direct economic interests and the developing social ties that exist between America’s chosen adversary and ourselves: (there are, as of the 2021 census 1.4 million Australians of Chinese decent, the vast majority of these are Han Chinese from the mainland who look upon their former country – and even the chicomms – favourably as having created the economic miracle that have allowed them to migrate as part of the middle class).
We have joining in with this ‘Asian Pivot’ doctrine without upgrading the defence and security arrangements necessary to give up the requisite guarantees that comparable countries in western – and now central and Northern Europe – enjoy via NATO. This is a catastrophic potential blunder in the making.
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“There certainly is a strong element of sub-contracting our Defence out to these two major nuclear powers (an unnecessary position caused by the Coalition) that now renders us mostly as a base for their geo-strategic intentions. This brings with it the implied promise of defence dependence but also the reality of being a real target in a worst case scenario. We could probably draw some parallels with the US bases in Japan and South Korea.”
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I note C@t’s chiding of Wranslide last night for not presenting any realistic alternative. I’m pretty sure he has. I know that I have. In short we need a range of broad and deep alliances. Going ‘all the way’ with America without a NATO guarantee is both shallow and narrow.
Ideally, working on the assumption that Xi’s China has changed its position such that we need to lean back hard (and I admit, I still do not subscribe to the POV), we need a multilateral NATO alliance that includes not just America, both the two north Asian countries most likely in the firing line – South Korea and Japan AND at least one ASEAN country (probably Singapore, but Malaysia, Philippines and Indonesia should also be invited to join) AND … France: the one European/western power that truly has common interests in the South Pacific and Indian oceans as australia (plus their own defence capabilities are … impressive. Not to mention that they are also a gateway country for other European aerospace/defence partners as well). If the Uk wants in, fine, but we should expect them to cut and run as soon as the heat is on, given that have no strategic interests in our region at all.
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“In an increasingly unstable world it probably makes sense to have strong alliances though under the Coalition in particular, little attempt has really made to grow our own regional alliances. More problematic I think is the worry that a weakening UK and a distinctly unstable USA may mean that even our alliance is not entirely reliable or at least not as reliable as we’ve been used to.”
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Quite. See above: we need a broad and deep range of alliances. ANZUS and AUKUS does not provide either.
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“I think there are still opportunities for the ALP to work more closely with Japan, South Korea and even India and Indonesia but these will be considered as secondary alliances for some time to come. Perhaps increased trade as well as Defence commitments will help to improve this situation.”
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IMO, these need to be elevated from the second tier to the major leagues ASAP. America is an unreliable partner over the medium to long term, given the deeply entrenched isolationist and ignorance of half of its population at the moment. even the other side of US politics is pursuing policies that do NOT align with our own strategic interests in the region. We don’t even have any real guarantees from America that they won’t ultimately ‘cut and run’- and THIS is what has motivated the likes of Hugh White and Bob Carr’s thinking over the past decade. Keating also. Having North Asia, ASEAN, France, the UK (lols though on that) and America in the same boat should be a fundamental prerequisite for us joining this American gambit. If we can pull that off, the chances of the excesses of American doctrine being moderated so we can all avoid the avoidable war (to parse a phrase lifted from Rudd’s recently book title) will go up tremendously.
Politically, how can the LNP or Defence establishment argues against Labor insisting on a NATO type agreement in return for us signing on? How could Biden resist such a call?
“ Most commentators have yet to twig, apparently.
The single most important country in the world for Australia’s medium- and long-term security and defence is Indonesia.”
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I’ve twigged pretty strong yet to THAT, but cop a load of C@t’s racist condescension of that notion ….
Andrew_Earlwood,
I like to think our defensive country buffer starts with the first country that has a conflicted relationship with an expansionist china.
So that’s Vietnam. Laos, Thailand, Borneo and Malaysia.
Indonesia is like the last line of defence really.
south says:
Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 12:38 pm
Andrew_Earlwood,
I like to think our defensive country buffer starts with the first country that has a conflicted relationship with an expansionist china.
So that’s Vietnam. Laos, Thailand, Borneo and Malaysia.
Indonesia is like the last line of defence really.
中华人民共和国
Borneo “belongs” to Malaysia, Indonesia and Brunei.