Resolve Strategic: Labor 39, Coalition 30, Greens 12 (open thread)

A new federal poll finds Labor maintaining a commanding lead, with most undecided on the question of stage three tax cuts.

Newspoll may be spinning on its wheels, but the Age/Herald has come through with the third Resolve Strategic poll of federal voting intention since the election, three weeks after the last. This one has Labor on 39% (steady), the Coalition on 30% (down two), the Greens on 12% (up two), One Nation on 5% (down one), the United Australia Party on 3% (up one) and independents on 9% (up one). Resolve Strategic doesn’t publish its own two-party numbers, but a fun new tool from Armarium Interreta allows you to punch in primary vote numbers and get a two-party result based on preference flows from the May election, which suggests a Labor lead of about 58-42.

Anthony Albanese’s combined very good and good rating is 60% (steady) compared with 25% for poor and very poor (up one), and he leads 53-18 on preferred prime minister (53-19 last time). Peter Dutton has a positive rating of 30% (up two) and a negative rating of 41% (up one). The poll also had questions on the budget and tax, the most interesting of which finds 34% supporting and 13% opposing the repeal of the stage three tax cuts, with fully 53% “undecided/neutral”, and on the Optus security breach. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Sunday from a sample of 1604.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

2,194 comments on “Resolve Strategic: Labor 39, Coalition 30, Greens 12 (open thread)”

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  1. Upnorth @ #1848 Monday, October 17th, 2022 – 10:14 am

    S3 did not get Labor elected – but had Labor opposed S3 it may well have seen a minority Labor Government beholden to a motely crew of Cross-Benchers and Greens.

    A political party that can’t sell the idea of not cutting taxes for the top ~10% of earners lacks a certain degree of adeptness at actually doing politics. If you can’t prosecute the easy argument, what are you going to do when a hard one comes along?

  2. Upnorth @ #1848 Monday, October 17th, 2022 – 11:14 am

    Well as I said the other, after the 1993 Elections the “L-A-W” Tax cuts were scrapped by the re-elected Labor Government. It set the tone for its’ defeat in 1996. Albo will know this.

    S3 did not get Labor elected – but had Labor opposed S3 it may well have seen a minority Labor Government beholden to a motely crew of Cross-Benchers and Greens.

    But then again that’s what some on PB wanted from the day the election was called.

    Umbrage! I’ve taken umbrage. The cross benchers are imo not so motley – or even motely 😉 – in my book being pretty united, and pretty successful (ta ta Sharma, ta ta Friedenberg). But motley Greens, now you’re talkin’ turkey.

  3. One Nation group is “Moderate” in the UK

    “Liz Truss will appeal to moderate Tory MPs to save her premiership on Monday after it emerged that powerbrokers had held secret discussions about ousting her and arranging a “coronation”.

    The prime minister will address the One Nation group of centrist Conservatives after a weekend in which three of her MPs called on her to quit and her new chancellor tore up the agenda on which she was elected only last month.

    Senior members of the 1922 Committee of Conservative backbenchers held talks late on Friday evening about Truss’s future, The Times can reveal.

    Mr Brady returned from a holiday in Greece yesterday (Sunday) and is expected to meet the prime minister in Westminster on Monday.

    Ms Truss will address the 100-strong One Nation caucus this evening in an effort to win round MPs, many of whom feel excluded from a government packed with her supporters. Her speech to the parliamentary party last week was disastrous, and exacerbated discontent with her leadership.

    Also this evening, Ms Truss will meet her cabinet to discuss their views on her economic strategy. Jeremy Hunt, the new chancellor if the exchequer, has said nothing is off the table as he reviews the mini-budget.

    However, the mood in Westminster on Monday is likely to be shaped as much by the behaviour of the financial markets, which opened in Asia late Sunday for the first time since the Bank of England’s emergency bond buying programme ended. In light early trading in Asia late Sunday the pound opened half a per cent higher against the dollar, to trade at over $1.12.

    In an incendiary intervention on Sunday a senior ally of the prime minister accused “plotters” of working against “the British people” by fuelling turmoil in the markets.

    “The whole Conservative Party owes it to the British people to focus entirely on them and their needs,” they said. “It is time the plotters thought about who they work for: it is the British people.

    “Those plotting against the government should remember that markets respond to political instability. The plotters will not get a coronation. Those wanting to run a rerun of the summer contest will simply bring about an early general election.”

    However, many Conservative MPs see her departure as increasingly inevitable. At the virtual meeting of senior members of the 1922 Committee on Friday the mood was said to be “grim”.

    https://amp.theaustralian.com.au/world/the-times/tories-hold-secret-talks-on-crowning-new-leader/news-story/822038f8adc581bfce959925c2903c1e

    The discussion focused on the circumstances in which Sir Graham Brady, chairman of the committee, would have to tell Truss to stand aside, even though under present rules she cannot be challenged for 11 months.

  4. ItzaDream says:
    Monday, October 17, 2022 at 11:26 am

    Upnorth @ #1848 Monday, October 17th, 2022 – 11:14 am

    Well as I said the other, after the 1993 Elections the “L-A-W” Tax cuts were scrapped by the re-elected Labor Government. It set the tone for its’ defeat in 1996. Albo will know this.

    S3 did not get Labor elected – but had Labor opposed S3 it may well have seen a minority Labor Government beholden to a motely crew of Cross-Benchers and Greens.

    But then again that’s what some on PB wanted from the day the election was called.

    Umbrage! I’ve taken umbrage. The cross benchers are imo not so motley – or even motely – in my book being pretty united, and pretty successful (ta ta Sharma, ta ta Friedenberg). But motley Greens, now you’re talkin’ turkey.
    中华人民共和国
    Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa

  5. nath says:
    Monday, October 17, 2022 at 10:52 am

    ItzaDream @ #1519 Monday, October 17th, 2022 – 10:30 am

    nath, you’re way smarter than that. That burr in your saddle needs out. It’s all been said so often. You don’t need to be reminded that they voted for ‘it’ to cement getting into government, where there they can actually effect a change, and that implementation is due 2024, that’s the year after next, subject still to implementable change, that Morrison and Frydenberg are now mere stains on history’s undies, and that there’s a budget any week soon.
    _________
    that’s just a less concise but better written summary of what I said. Only Labor could have got into this mess with S3. I hope they can get out of it, but it is amusing and a little sad that they have ended up where they have.

    Also, I don’t think Labor voting for S3 had any influence on the election. And If it did, it was only enough to deliver a majority of one, so perhaps another policy would have been more successful.
    ____________

    Ah, “if only Labor did what I want, they’d have won in a landslide!”

    I love the smell of an unprovable assertion in the morning…

  6. It’s true that I would have preferred a Labor minority government. One good outcome of that would have been that we wouldn’t have the Liberals income tax policy implemented.

  7. nath @ #1856 Monday, October 17th, 2022 – 11:36 am

    It’s true that I would have preferred a Labor minority government. One good outcome of that would have been that we wouldn’t have the Liberals income tax policy implemented.

    For cyin’ out loud, what do I have to do – drive down to Melbourne with a stash of weed in the boot? It hasn’t been implemented yet.

  8. nath says:
    Monday, October 17, 2022 at 11:36 am

    It’s true that I would have preferred a Labor minority government. One good outcome of that would have been that we wouldn’t have the Liberals income tax policy implemented.
    中华人民共和国

    Happy talkin’, talkin’, happy talk
    Talk about things you’d like to do
    You’ve got to have a dream
    If you don’t have a dream
    How you gonna have a dream come true

  9. ItzaDream says:
    Monday, October 17, 2022 at 11:40 am

    nath @ #1856 Monday, October 17th, 2022 – 11:36 am

    It’s true that I would have preferred a Labor minority government. One good outcome of that would have been that we wouldn’t have the Liberals income tax policy implemented.

    For cyin’ out loud, what do I have to do – drive down to Melbourne with a stash of weed in the boot? It hasn’t been implemented yet.
    _________________
    Yes you can do that and I will be highly appreciative too.

    I hope it’s not implemented. I hope they are prepared to fight it out. But the 3 dimensional chess players in Labor are a worry.

  10. The S3 is legislated.

    Even were Labor to be in minority government there is no way that the Xbenchers could force a change.
    As noted previously, the Xbench are always going to be at the far margins. They can block. They can delay. They can stunt. They can flounce. They can do deals at the margins.

    They will never run core revenue, spending or borrowing decisions.

  11. If you deduct the obscene amount that Palmer spent, there is not a massive increase in spending by the other parties over the period, allowing for inflation. However the massive taxpayer funded “Australian Government” advertising by the LNP, which was clearly political in content, should be counted in the total.

    Campaign spending soars 144% as parliament looks at reform

    Clive Palmer’s United Australia Party spent $92.1 million during the financial year that included the 2019 election

    Political parties increased their federal spending from $124 million in 1999 to $302 million in 2019, prompting a call for campaign spending caps.

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/a-contest-of-dollars-campaign-spending-soars-144-percent-as-parliament-looks-at-reform-20221016-p5bq3i.html

  12. If Labor wanted to be in government, the Greens would have forced them to rescind S3. They would have taken that deal to get into power.

  13. Mexicanbeemer says:
    Monday, October 17, 2022 at 11:20 am

    Sceptic says:
    Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 8:22 pm

    Would it be safe to assume the US is well & truly stuffed?
    ———————————
    Remembering that the president’s party usually does badly in their first midterm that would be an okay result for the Democrats.
    ____________

    Given the US inflation rate etc, the Repugs should be on track to control BOTH houses. Their majority in the Senate should be smaller than the House, where they should be on track for a landslide.

    Instead, they will struggle to win the Senate and have about a 3 in 10 chance of failing to win the House (according to fivethirtyeight.) Just before the 2016 election, fivethirtyeight gave Trump a 3 in 8 chance of winning – not much better than the Dems’ chances in the House this year – and, unlike Trump re the primary vote, the Dems are likely to “win” the Congressional “generic ballot.”

    The Repugs and their mates on the Supreme Court have made the Dems competitive, so the Repugs will have to rely on various gerrymanders to “win.”

  14. ItzaDream @ #1551 Monday, October 17th, 2022 – 11:40 am

    nath @ #1856 Monday, October 17th, 2022 – 11:36 am

    It’s true that I would have preferred a Labor minority government. One good outcome of that would have been that we wouldn’t have the Liberals income tax policy implemented.

    For cyin’ out loud, what do I have to do – drive down to Melbourne with a stash of weed in the boot? It hasn’t been implemented yet.

    Another big dose of supposition there by nath. Who’s to say that all the Teals would have voted for it? Not to mention that repeal of the S3 tax cuts would be universally supported. One thing you can guarantee would be that, if it were a Minority Labor government, the Coalition would be within striking distance of government and they would thank their lucky stars that Labor had been forced into that position by the Cross Bench.

  15. Not only did Labor win the election, the Lying Reactionaries lost it. The main reason they lost so decisively was because Morrison was so thoroughly despised….despised for his shallowness, his neglect, his deceits, his sneering arrogance. Labor won seats it has never before held: seats that have been Reactionary property since their creation. Without them, Labor would not have a majority in the Parliament, and we’d be subject to the politics of extortion by the Greens and their rivals, the Teal. The voters in these seats placed their trust in Albo and in Labor. Labor need them to hold on to office. The Greens and the Teal will prosper most if Labor lose their majority, and they will be doing whatever they can to bring that about.

    Labor should stick to their promises. The very last thing they should do is to gratify their worst enemies, the Greens, on tax, on anything.

  16. Labor promised not to join the Greens in Government.
    They know Bandt and his accomplices all too well.
    That is another promise Labor is keeping.

  17. a r says:
    Monday, October 17, 2022 at 11:25 am

    A political party that can’t sell the idea of not cutting taxes for the top ~10% of earners lacks a certain degree of adeptness at actually doing politics. If you can’t prosecute the easy argument, what are you going to do when a hard one comes along?

    __________________________________________

    A political party in power that wants to waste precious political capital to sell straw hats in winter and fridges to Inuit is beyond stupid.

  18. Snappy Tom
    Given the US inflation rate etc, the Repugs should be on track to control BOTH houses. Their majority in the Senate should be smaller than the House, where they should be on track for a landslide.
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    Exactly and that’s why a close result in the house regardless of who wins a majority of seats is bad news for the Republicans because if America can get inflation down without blowing out the unemployment rate then 2024 looks ugly for the Republicans.

  19. Labor is snookered really. Perhaps like some say, if Labor rescind S3 Dutton will come hard on it.

    If they don’t rescind the Greens will be gunning for them with some big ammo.

    And if they don’t rescind Labor will not have much money to do anything, unless they want the debt to grow even more. Dutton will make something of that too.

    No it’s not easy being Labor. But it’s their own fault. The 3 dimensional chess players who get them to continuously adopt liberal policies have too much influence. They follow a doctrine called NOOANCE, which I believe was originally an Eskimo term for hiding in the snow.

  20. And there we were having a discussion about anything BUT the Stage 3 tax cuts. And then nath came along and derailed everything. As is his wont.

    I’m done. I refuse to talk about them ever again until such time as some new news comes along about them. If others want to be led up the garden path by nath, and others on the list of the usual suspects, so as to keep airing the agenda of The Greens, then have at it. I believe everything useful that can be said, has been said. All else is simply persiflage and self-interested attempted agenda driving.

  21. C@tmomma says:
    Monday, October 17, 2022 at 11:57 am

    And there we were having a discussion about anything BUT the Stage 3 tax cuts. And then nath came along and derailed everything. As is his wont.
    ______
    Well that’s bullshit. people were talking about them before I showed up.

  22. C@tmomma says:
    Monday, October 17, 2022 at 11:57 am
    And there we were having a discussion about anything BUT the Stage 3 tax cuts.

    I’m done. I refuse to talk about them ever again until such time as some new news comes along about them.

    ______________________________________

    I keep making the same vow to myself, but find I’m drawn back in the inventive inanity of idiots demanding that Labor waste its incredibly hard-earned political capital on their pet projects.

  23. Dog’s Brunch says:
    Monday, October 17, 2022 at 10:52 am
    C@tmomma says:
    Monday, October 17, 2022 at 10:46 am
    Dog’s Brunch,
    “The Ukrainian Military is the global guinea pig for new war strategy.
    Not new apparently(Baghdad) but working well in this context. Toyota Hilux and Bushmasters at the pointy end apparently.”
    ———————————————————————————————-
    The redoubtable and highly flexible Toyota Hilux has quite a military CV, including Somalia, Lebanon and any amount of African wars. They’re relatively cheap, easy to repair and can carry troops, ammunition and adapted weapons platforms. The major weakness of course is a lack of protection but then you can’t have everything.

  24. Cronus says:
    Monday, October 17, 2022 at 12:02 pm

    Dog’s Brunch says:
    Monday, October 17, 2022 at 10:52 am
    C@tmomma says:
    Monday, October 17, 2022 at 10:46 am
    Dog’s Brunch,
    “The Ukrainian Military is the global guinea pig for new war strategy.
    Not new apparently(Baghdad) but working well in this context. Toyota Hilux and Bushmasters at the pointy end apparently.”
    ———————————————————————————————-
    The redoubtable and highly flexible Toyota Hilux has quite a military CV, including Somalia, Lebanon and any amount of African wars. They’re relatively cheap, easy to repair and can carry troops, ammunition and adapted weapons platforms. The major weakness of course is a lack of protection but then you can’t have everything.
    中华人民共和国
    If only they can make an EV model 🙂

  25. One final point. Labor had voted for the Stage 3 tax cuts before the election. The Greens gained extra seats in the HoR based upon an inner city Brisbane aircraft noise campaign, not an anti S3 tax cuts campaign. In fact, I’m struggling to remember The Greens campaigning during the election about it. More about forcing Labor to go harder, quicker on Emissions Reductions. So it really must have been important, eh? No, it’s just their usual political opportunism after the election. Cynical politicians, just like everybody else, the lot of them.

    Oh, and Labor, they won the election. They formed majority government. WITH the Stage 3 tax cuts front and centre before the electorate.

  26. nath

    And if they don’t rescind Labor will not have much money to do anything, unless they want the debt to grow even more.

    A bit of a re run of Kevin07. Labor were doing a lot of #metoo in regard to Coalition policies when it came to spending in the months before the election.

  27. Old Hat says:
    Monday, October 17, 2022 at 11:48 am

    Not only did Labor win the election, the Lying Reactionaries lost it. The main reason they lost so decisively was because Morrison was so thoroughly despised….despised for his shallowness, his neglect, his deceits, his sneering arrogance. Labor won seats it has never before held: seats that have been Reactionary property since their creation. Without them, Labor would not have a majority in the Parliament, and we’d be subject to the politics of extortion by the Greens and their rivals, the Teal. The voters in these seats placed their trust in Albo and in Labor. Labor need them to hold on to office. The Greens and the Teal will prosper most if Labor lose their majority, and they will be doing whatever they can to bring that about.

    Labor should stick to their promises. The very last thing they should do is to gratify their worst enemies, the Greens, on tax, on anything.
    ____________

    Old Hat – IIRC, you’re from WA?

    A different perspective on the federal election result is provided by WA, where Labor attracted a 10+% 2PP swing and won 9 seats to the Coalition’s 5 – and, of course, Teal Kate Chaney.

    The view from WA might be that the Coalition got smashed AND Labor won a smashing victory. Nationally, the Coalition got smashed and Labor won a narrow victory.

    THE reason for the narrowness of Labor’s national victory isn’t “to S3, or not to S3.” It isn’t even the Teals, who won Liberal seats. It’s Qld, where both Labor and the Coalition went slightly backwards, but the Coalition still holds 21 of 30 seats – 70%. I repeat, 70%.

    Labor won 60% of seats in WA and SA, 100% in the ACT & NT, 62% in Vic, 55% in NSW, 40% in Tas, 17% in Qld.

    If some posters here are to be believed, Labor won smashing victories in 5 of 8 jurisdictions – and a comfortable victory in another – even with the “handicap” of S3.

  28. C@tmomma says:
    Monday, October 17, 2022 at 11:02 am
    Dog’s Brunch @ #1533 Monday, October 17th, 2022 – 10:52 am

    C@tmomma says:
    Monday, October 17, 2022 at 10:46 am
    Dog’s Brunch,
    The Ukrainian Military is the global guinea pig for new war strategy.

    Not new apparently(Baghdad) but working well in this context. Toyota Hilux and Bushmasters at the pointy end apparently.
    Okay. I’ll watch it now. The narrator being a tosser kind of put me off.
    ———————————————————————————————

    I had a US friend (a logistics Lieutenant at the time) who was involved in the initial thunder run into Iraq in 2003. He said the adrenaline (fear based on the unknown) and the speed and momentum were such that when they finally stopped on the first day after a very bumpy ride, they realised their vehicle (I’m not certain of the type) had two blown tyres.

  29. It’s funny how almost all of the anti-government posters here ignore the fact that the bulk of voters are income taxpayers who are looking forward to tax cuts in 2024 (earlier would be nicer) and would not look kindly on a government that reneged on that expectation.

  30. poroti @ #1572 Monday, October 17th, 2022 – 12:10 pm

    nath

    And if they don’t rescind Labor will not have much money to do anything, unless they want the debt to grow even more.

    A bit of a re run of Kevin07. Labor were doing a lot of #metoo in regard to Coalition policies when it came to spending in the months before the election.

    Are the reinforcement crew for nath has arrived. 🙄

    Did you stop to think that this issue is completely different to then, as are the times we live in, the fact that past isn’t prologue? Or it just seemed to tempting for you to throw that line into the mix regardless?

    Honestly, there’s some so-called supporters from the Left who would love nothing more than for the new Labor federal government to fail and fall again.

  31. Sanppy Tom

    even with the “handicap” of S3.

    How many people do you think gave even 1 second of thought to S3 when they entered the polling booths ? In deciding votes it would have like a grain of sand on the Morrison beach.

  32. poroti says:
    Monday, October 17, 2022 at 12:21 pm

    Sanppy Tom

    even with the “handicap” of S3.

    How many people do you think gave even 1 second of thought to S3 when they entered the polling booths ? In deciding votes it would have like a grain of sand on the Morrison beach.
    —————————————–
    Few if any but the problem for the ALP is by taking the stage 3 away it gives the Liberals something to campaign on when the ALP is only two seats from minority status while the alternative is to upset a few lefties but shut the issue down for the Liberals.

  33. Cronus @ #1575 Monday, October 17th, 2022 – 12:14 pm

    C@tmomma says:
    Monday, October 17, 2022 at 11:02 am
    Dog’s Brunch @ #1533 Monday, October 17th, 2022 – 10:52 am

    C@tmomma says:
    Monday, October 17, 2022 at 10:46 am
    Dog’s Brunch,
    The Ukrainian Military is the global guinea pig for new war strategy.

    Not new apparently(Baghdad) but working well in this context. Toyota Hilux and Bushmasters at the pointy end apparently.
    Okay. I’ll watch it now. The narrator being a tosser kind of put me off.
    ———————————————————————————————

    I had a US friend (a logistics Lieutenant at the time) who was involved in the initial thunder run into Iraq in 2003. He said the adrenaline (fear based on the unknown) and the speed and momentum were such that when they finally stopped on the first day after a very bumpy ride, they realised their vehicle (I’m not certain of the type) had two blown tyres.

    Hard charging types. 😆

  34. Upnorth says:
    Monday, October 17, 2022 at 12:05 pm
    Cronus says:
    Monday, October 17, 2022 at 12:02 pm

    Dog’s Brunch says:
    Monday, October 17, 2022 at 10:52 am
    C@tmomma says:
    Monday, October 17, 2022 at 10:46 am
    Dog’s Brunch,
    “The Ukrainian Military is the global guinea pig for new war strategy.
    Not new apparently(Baghdad) but working well in this context. Toyota Hilux and Bushmasters at the pointy end apparently.”
    ———————————————————————————————-
    The redoubtable and highly flexible Toyota Hilux has quite a military CV, including Somalia, Lebanon and any amount of African wars. They’re relatively cheap, easy to repair and can carry troops, ammunition and adapted weapons platforms. The major weakness of course is a lack of protection but then you can’t have everything.
    中华人民共和国
    If only they can make an EV model
    ———————————————————————————————
    + 1,000,000

  35. C@t
    Labor said #metoo back then for the same sort of reasons they said #metoo to S3..e. It could well be Kevin07 deja vu all over again. A Labor government committed to promises made in good times arrives just in time for a global financial conflagration.

  36. Labor are on 58% TPP.

    Their calculation that they will gain more votes by Keeping their promise of retaining S3 than loose has proved to be correct so far.

    The opposition are gradually cementing in the electorates mind that are firmly in favor of S3 and would keep it or reintroduce it if they win the next election.

  37. Just like Morrison, Cash claims she only became aware of the alleged rape in Feb, ’21 & thinks public knowledge of it would not have been politically damaging in the 2019 election.

    [‘Cash has rejected an assertion that she denied knowing about Higgins’ alleged sexual assault before February 2021 because it would have been politically inconvenient.

    In a pointed exchange, prosecutor Shane Drumgold, SC, challenged Cash on her evidence that she had only heard of the allegation during a phone call with Higgins on February 5.

    Asked whether it would be politically inconvenient if such an allegation emerged in October 2019, Cash replied, “absolutely not”, adding it would have been “something that needed to be attended to”.

    Asked by Drumgold whether she agreed it would be politically harmful if it emerged a staff member, Higgins, was still working for a minister following such an alleged incident, Cash replied, “absolutely not, I just don’t understand a political connection to this”.

    Drumgold then asked: “Are you familiar with the term ‘plausible deniability’?”

    Cash asked Drumgold to clarify, to which he put again to her that she was aware of the allegation before February 2021.

    “I’m putting to you that you’re denying that because it would be politically embarrassing”, to which Cash replied, “absolutely not”.

    “I don’t understand the line of questioning related to political embarrassment. I don’t know how it could be politically embarrassing,” she said.’] – SMH blog.

  38. poroti says:
    Monday, October 17, 2022 at 12:21 pm

    Sanppy Tom

    even with the “handicap” of S3.

    How many people do you think gave even 1 second of thought to S3 when they entered the polling booths ? In deciding votes it would have like a grain of sand on the Morrison beach.
    ____________

    Why weren’t voters thinking about S3? Because Labor refused to be wedged on tax. If Labor followed your prescriptions, the Coalition would’ve banged on about “Labor will tax you more” 24/7 – as would their media enablers (contemporary evidence: the recent Murdochracy “Snake Chalmers” headline during the S3 non-debate.)

    You may have forgotten the “tradie” who confronted Shorten over “tax” in Qld, 2019. The guy asked Shorten WTTE “Don’t I deserve a tax cut?” It was a terrible look for Shorten and Labor. It was gold for the Coalition: this wasn’t two politicians arguing, but a citizen taking on a would-be PM.

    From time to time, reference is made here to the “Overton Window”…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

    …A movable range of policy perspectives regarded by “a majority of voters” as reasonable. Howard succeeded in shifting this country’s Overton Window to the Right. Labor can sift it back, but only over several terms, by nibbling at the edges (which is actually what Howard did, until 2004 gave him Senate control and he over-reached) and covertly.

    Repealing S3 would give aid and comfort to the Coalition.

    BTW, Labor is shifting the Overton Window on things like Reconciliation, integrity, rorts, Robodebt and, most recently, violence against women.

  39. C@tmomma says:
    Monday, October 17, 2022 at 12:27 pm
    Cronus @ #1575 Monday, October 17th, 2022 – 12:14 pm

    C@tmomma says:
    Monday, October 17, 2022 at 11:02 am
    Dog’s Brunch @ #1533 Monday, October 17th, 2022 – 10:52 am

    C@tmomma says:
    Monday, October 17, 2022 at 10:46 am
    Dog’s Brunch,
    The Ukrainian Military is the global guinea pig for new war strategy.

    Not new apparently(Baghdad) but working well in this context. Toyota Hilux and Bushmasters at the pointy end apparently.
    Okay. I’ll watch it now. The narrator being a tosser kind of put me off.
    ———————————————————————————————

    I had a US friend (a logistics Lieutenant at the time) who was involved in the initial thunder run into Iraq in 2003. He said the adrenaline (fear based on the unknown) and the speed and momentum were such that when they finally stopped on the first day after a very bumpy ride, they realised their vehicle (I’m not certain of the type) had two blown tyres.
    Hard charging types.
    ———————————————————————————————

    Chuckles, I give you ‘quip of the day’ thus far.

    I happen to be built for comfort so I’m sure I’d have noticed two blown tyres, adrenaline notwithstanding.

  40. TPOF says:
    Monday, October 17, 2022 at 12:16 pm
    It’s funny how almost all of the anti-government posters here ignore the fact that the bulk of voters are income taxpayers who are looking forward to tax cuts in 2024 (earlier would be nicer) and would not look kindly on a government that reneged on that expectation.
    ———————————————————————————————-

    Agree entirely, it really is that simple.

  41. nath @ #1567 Monday, October 17th, 2022 – 12:01 pm

    C@tmomma says:
    Monday, October 17, 2022 at 11:57 am

    And there we were having a discussion about anything BUT the Stage 3 tax cuts. And then nath came along and derailed everything. As is his wont.
    ______
    Well that’s bullshit. people were talking about them before I showed up.

    Topics discussed this morning before you came along:

    * Ben Roberts-Smith case
    * NSW polling
    * GP Medicare over-servicing and over-charging
    * The Ukraine war
    * King Charles III
    * No Newspoll
    * The failure of new entries into the RW media swamp
    * Labor’s achievements
    * The Lehrmann trial

    The only discussion was between Cronus and I about his neighbourhood party and his neighbour’s attitudes towards the S3 tax cuts. Also, Ven made one comment and Boerwar made an observation about Revenue in general.

    However, since you turned up with your barrage of posts just about every other subject has been derailed.

  42. “I’m putting to you that you’re denying that because it would be politically embarrassing”, to which Cash replied, “absolutely not”.

    “I don’t understand the line of questioning related to political embarrassment. I don’t know how it could be politically embarrassing,” she said.’

    And if she expects us to believe that, she’s not a politician’s bootlace and she has a bridge to sell you. 😀

  43. Thanks BK, for this little gem. Can I be a faith leader too? Can I have an exemption too?
    https://amp.theaustralian.com.au/nation/faith-leaders-urge-pm-to-shield-religious-beliefs-with-legislation/news-story/c8b98fe82c4120c59b36bbc61caa776c

    There is simply no logic to the stance.

    Even if you accept that “faith” trumps “fairness”, which I don’t, then how does it work when people of a different “faiths” believe opposites? It can’t. The only way “faith” can work as an overriding principle is if people submit to it voluntarily, which they would do as members of any particular brand of “faith”, without that “faith” requiring an exemption in law. Bluntly, no exemption is necessary. “Faith” leaders already have what they say they want.

    Freedom of religion can only work if all religions respect everyone, irrespective of religious membership.
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    * I put the word “faith” in quotes because I am troubled by how it often gets used. For balance I put quotes around the word “fairness”.

  44. Michaelia Cash relying on the SGT Schultz defence.

    For a bunch that struggled with running a chook raffle they seem to be very well organised to all know very little about a lot of things they didnt want to know much about.
    But surely the raspberry of the day goes to Cash’s CoS who said;
    “In this particular circumstance, I was actually quite surprised that she was so upset – I don’t think I’d ever seen Brittany cry so much before.”
    I reckon I know what the C stands for.

  45. Late Riser @ #1592 Monday, October 17th, 2022 – 12:54 pm

    Thanks BK, for this little gem. Can I be a faith leader too? Can I have an exemption too?
    https://amp.theaustralian.com.au/nation/faith-leaders-urge-pm-to-shield-religious-beliefs-with-legislation/news-story/c8b98fe82c4120c59b36bbc61caa776c

    There is simply no logic to the stance.

    Even if you accept that “faith” trumps “fairness”, which I don’t, then how does it work when people of a different “faiths” believe opposites? It can’t. The only way “faith” can work as an overriding principle is if people submit to it voluntarily, which they would do as members of any particular brand of “faith”, without that “faith” requiring an exemption in law. Bluntly, no exemption is necessary. “Faith” leaders already have what they say they want.

    Freedom of religion can only work if all religions respect everyone, irrespective of religious membership.
    ___
    * I put the word “faith” in quotes because I am troubled by how it often gets used. For balance I put quotes around the word “fairness”.

    It’s for that reason I believe Satanists should get equal rights under the law, as other ‘faiths’ are entitled to.

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