I don’t have a huge amount of material off which to hang the new open thread that is now past due, partly because a certain event has crowded other matters out of the media, but mostly because of a threadbare schedule of post-election opinion polling in which this is an off week. All we have on that score is the soon-to-be-superseded Roy Morgan weekly update, which tells us only that its latest voting intention poll comes in at 53.5-46.5 in favour of Labor, out from 52-48. This is at the high end of how the Albanese government has been doing from this particular series since it came to office, which has been substantially softer for it than the two results we’ve had from Newspoll and the one from Resolve Strategic.
The only other item of electoral news to relate is the confusing news of the United Australia Party’s self-deregistration. This came as a surprise to the party’s sole Senator, Ralph Babet, with Clive Palmer seemingly unclear as to whether the decision was made on his own initiative or that of the party’s supposedly independent executive committee. Palmer, who if Forbes is to be believed is worth $2.1 billion, told Matthew Killoran of the Courier-Mail that he wished to spare himself the barely existent expense of maintaining registration, and would re-register the party shortly before the next election, despite not planning to run himself.
However, electoral law maven Graeme Orr told the Age/Herald that he might be in for a disappointment on this score, as the electoral laws appear to leave the United Australia Party name off limits to him and anyone else for the remainder of the parliamentary term. Babet will continue to be identified as a Senator for the party for parliamentary purposes, which do not relate to the Australian Electoral Commission’s party registration process.
Cronus says:
Monday, September 12, 2022 at 3:44 am
Upnorth says:
Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 6:14 pm
kezza2 says:
Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 6:11 pm
“It’s now 6 minutes later. Who won?
中华人民共和国
Russell Crowe!”
True story, my father-in-law who is deep into the vestiges of Alzheimer’s disease at a wonderful aged care facility regularly tells us that Russell Crowe often calls him seeking him advice on training methods for the Rabbitohs as well as asking him to play for them (chuckles wildly). Of course, we indulge these fantasies after all, what else can you do?
Cronus says:
Monday, September 12, 2022 at 3:35 am
C@tmomma says:
Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 5:13 pm
Cronus,
“I envy you being so close to the action that you can see Ukraine, just over there. Is the reporting of the war any different to Australia? I’m interested because Macron is trying to walk both sides of the street and I was wondering if that was reflected in the media coverage? ”
Hi C@T, certainly imho there is greater interest and priority placed on the reporting of the war in Ukraine over here and more of a feel for the ramifications. Not surprising I suppose due to things like the rise in energy costs and inflationary impacts (especially fruit and veg and meat even at the street markets). France and Italy seem to have avoided the worst of those energy impacts however whereas Britain and Germany in particular are feeling it badly.
There is more detail to the reporting of the war from our observations, again I suspect entirely related to the relative proximity of the war. A little surprisingly, we’ve noticed Russian (we presume) being spoken by some tourists. This is not unusual over the past decade but strikes us as anomalous given the current circumstances. I suspect that if things worsen for Putin (as appears is happening) then we might see less fence-sitting by some of the European leaders. All the Chinese tourists have been replaced by US tourists thanks largely to the strength of the US dollar I suspect. Nobody cares about covid over here, it all appears to be considered as an historical event long gone.
Cronus says:
Monday, September 12, 2022 at 3:54 am
Tricks to walking uneventfully around Paris.
Keep your eyes faced down to avoid the many dog poops, an occupational hazard for tourists on foot.
Keep your eyes faced upward for the constant dripping of water from the pot plants from windows and balconies three stories up.
Who knew a gentle stroll could be so challenging (cobblestones notwithstanding)?
Imacca
“ Takeaway from this whole thing is that even now, war is not all about boy toys and expensive tech. Some of the fundamentals, particularly in a peer / near peer conflict are still firmly about people and their head-space.”
Recent history in particular supports this philosophy, The Mujahideen v Russia, The Hezbollah v Israel and the Taliban v numerous nations. All three wars involved nations/forces with nuclear weapons (albeit unused) and with overwhelming numerical superiority against essentially small guerilla armies and we all know the outcomes. The single similarity is that all three guerilla armies were fighting on their own soil to defend their homelands whereas the attackers never enjoyed the same strength in morale.
Russia may win battles against Ukraine but will not win the war for the very same reasons. Morale is often mentioned in war but its importance is only truly understood by those actually fighting. A force with high morale can fight for years, even decades if above all it truly believes its fight is existential and just. Russia’s soldiers are on a hiding to nothing fighting for no good reason against those it mostly considers to be allies.
Really hope this is the beginning of the end of Trump-
“HOLY MOLY: The DOJ will put Trump’s lawyers before a grand jury and give them the choice to flip on Trump or risk perjuring themselves according to sources who spoke to David Rohde, executive editor of the New Yorker.”- twitter
The sad thing is that is supposed to be satire, yet could well be true based on the ABC’s continuous coverage.
https://www.theshovel.com.au/2022/09/10/man-brief-conversation-queen-1964-interviewed-abc/
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/sep/12/nsw-coalition-down-but-not-out-as-poll-shows-hung-parliament-a-strong-possibility
The Nsw lib/nats are in the same position as the federal Lib/nats , the combined primary vote below40% there will be a change of government
Scott Morrison will be envious of Anthony Albanese , that Anthony Albanese will be the first Prime Minister who begins a new era under a king as Australia Head of State
Been There,
Thanks for The Struts’ song on the previous thread. Noice. 🙂
I’d expect the breathless “specials” running non-stop on Ch7 or 9, with Kochy giving us his insight.
But the ABC and its endless coverage of the most trivial news is really getting old.
somethinglikethat @ #11 Monday, September 12th, 2022 – 6:40 am
It’s just the continuous cycle of the queen stuff. As if nothing else even remotely newsworthy has happened anywhere, much less in Australia for the past 4 days.
I’m surprised the ABC haven’t contacted me! My dad’s Aunty, who is/was Scottish, was the Nanny to the new King and his siblings! I know nothing else to say but, you know, close proximity to royalty and all that. 😉
Thank goodness we have Ukraine to talk about as well. And Cronus’ reports from France. 🙂
C@tmomma at 6:44am
I was interviewed last Friday on local ABC radio. I was once in the same room as the Queen.
This was just after a former Lord Mayor of Adelaide, who hadn’t met the Queen either.
In fact, I was being interviewed about church bells, the Central Council of Church Bell Ringers, and our role in Operation London Bridge.
Eston Kohver,
Did you ring the bells in your home city here in Australia?
A photo which shows that Ukraine is fighting the war on all fronts:
President Zelenskyy is defiant despite Russia’s latest vandalism exacted on Kharkiv:
Felix Light
@felix_light
BREAKING – Large-scale electricity blackout in Ukraine’s second city Kharkiv, cause unknown – Reuters witness
Felix Light
@felix_light
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1h
RT editor in chief Margarita Simonyan Telegram repost: “Electricity is a privilege, not a right”
Christo Grozev
@christogrozev
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1h
Zelensky to Russia, tonight…
C@tmomma
Indeed. Although I’m currently in Brisbane for a conference, where I visited the band who ring at St John’s Cathedral. We rang half muffled for the service here yesterday.
This is the second time in my lifetime that we have rung fully muffled (leather pads are tied to the clappers). Last time was for Pope John Paul II – only at the Catholic Cathedral. Some of the band who rang for King George VI in 1952 are still around.
It is going to be 37 C in Sainte-Foy tomorrow.
We have invited friends around for a BBQ, as we are leaving at the end of the week. For the 12th September, this is really hot, even for down here.
I was asked at the village soiree tonight if 37 C on 12th March in Sydney would be unusual (the corresponding time of the season).
I thought about it, and said it was probably not unknown, but definitely unusual.
Any memories from people on here about hot days mid March?
Eston Kohver says:
Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:06 am
..
(leather pads are tied to the clappers).
..
The things you learn on PB.
Still quite cool and Spring-like in Sydney, D & M.
looks like labor is refreshing there upper house ticket minns wants to get rid off Adam Searle and moslemain wished labor would get rid off Gregg donnely from shoppies ubnion but he has there backing is very conservative anti choice gay marige anda friend of latham defendid him against the health ministers rant minns is still a weak leader
After loosing my niece , brother and mother all within 3 weeks 2 months ago i can sympathize with the Queens family , but for F@#$ sake the rolling crap fest is just bovine excreter .
bring on the republic…
frednk and C@tmomma
Here’s an example, from the heaviest change ringing bells outside of the British Isles. Adelaide is home to the second heaviest octave of change ringing bells in the world, tenor 41cwt (2096kg).
https://youtu.be/uijuIdT1Xro
Good morning Dawn Patrollers – another royal-free patrol.
Australia’s hidebound immigration system is broken and needs to be fundamentally transformed, Home Affairs Minister Clare O’Neil says, otherwise the country’s economy will quickly fall behind its global competitors. Peter Hartcher and Matthew Knott report on her concerns.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/too-long-too-expensive-immigration-system-is-broken-home-affairs-minister-20220911-p5bh56.html
Home Affairs Minister Clare O’Neil has rightly recognised the shortcomings of the $1bn-a-year “golden ticket” visa scheme, which is set to be scrapped over the coming year. The national interest demands no less, says the editorial in The Australian.
https://amp.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/editorials/action-on-golden-ticket-visas/news-story/c1f56e4a3cb9826a262844a000504875
Any Remeikis writes that Labor’s core election commitment to legislate for a national integrity commission before the end of the year has been thrown in doubt by the suspension of parliament after the Queen’s death. Mark Dreyfus, planned on introducing Labor’s anti-corruption commission bill to parliament on Wednesday, when it was to immediately be sent to a joint committee for review.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/sep/12/parliament-suspension-puts-albanese-anti-corruption-watchdog-election-promise-in-doubt
The Coalition’s promises of infrastructure to roll out over the next decade and regional funds linked to the Nationals’ support for net zero are at risk in the coming budget, explain Katina Curtis and Shane Wright. A suite of regional programs promised to then-Nationals leader Barnaby Joyce in return for his party’s support to the Coalition’s net zero carbon emissions by 2050 policy are also being reviewed by the government as it combs through past Morrison’s pledges.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/tens-of-billions-of-regional-funds-at-risk-in-search-for-budget-cuts-20220908-p5bgdp.html
Ross Gittins thinks Labor’s ‘plan’ to fix the economy has three big bits missing. He points to the pricing power that our oligopolised economy gives our big businesses and the need for more taxes.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/labor-s-plan-to-fix-the-economy-has-three-big-bits-missing-20220911-p5bh58.html
Michael Read writes that the labour market is expected to have tightened further in August, and forecasters are tipping Thursday’s labour force data will show 35,000 workers found jobs.
https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/jobs-boom-poised-to-continue-20220911-p5bh41
George Brandis says that the sub-plot to our AUKUS pact is that we may need UK rather than US submarines.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/the-sub-plot-to-our-aukus-pact-we-may-need-uk-rather-than-us-submarines-20220909-p5bgts.html
Tom Rabe reports that a stark rise in domestic and family violence during the COVID-19 pandemic will cost the NSW economy more than $3 billion by 2025, according to new research that estimates 60,000 women experienced abuse for the first time in 2020.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/rising-domestic-violence-during-pandemic-to-cost-nsw-economy-billions-20220911-p5bh5a.html
There are Reasons for cautious optimism writes Adam Morton who gives us the good news on the climate crisis.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/commentisfree/2022/sep/12/reasons-for-cautious-optimism-the-good-news-on-the-climate-crisis
Patrick Hatch reports that the Victorian government is being urged to explain when it will deliver the Metro train services to Melbourne’s outer-west it promised four years ago amid concerns public transport investment is falling severely behind the skyrocketing population growth.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/waiting-for-metro-train-services-promised-for-outer-west-nowhere-in-sight-20220908-p5bgg8.html
Rental prices in many parts of Australia are growing 10% or even 20% year on year, leaving people in parts of the country struggling to find housing, especially in regions hit by natural disasters. This has in turn led to questions over the almost a million dwellings vacant on census night around Australia, and the role of short-term rentals in driving up rents, such as those leased on platforms like Airbnb, explains Josh Nicholas.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2022/sep/12/australias-rental-prices-are-skyrocketing-so-why-were-1m-homes-empty-on-census-night
The Defence Strategic Review must not confine itself to “more of the same” but address a new world, urges Dennis Argall.
https://johnmenadue.com/the-defence-strategic-review-must-not-confine-itself-to-more-of-the-same-but-address-a-new-world/
The Government needs to keep in mind that Labor won office significantly due to the ‘Chinese Australian’ vote in 5 to 6 key electorates. The government’s inaction on China could see those ALP votes disappear, write Anthony Pun and Ka Sing Chiua.
https://johnmenadue.com/chinese-australians-still-have-hopes-for-the-federal-labor-albanese-government/
The AFR tells us how millions were made (and lost) in the childcare gold rush.
https://www.afr.com/companies/healthcare-and-fitness/how-millions-were-made-and-lost-in-childcare-gold-rush-20220907-p5bg7w
There are still many questions surrounding Scott Morrison’s ill-starred time at the helm of Tourism Australia, writes Jommy Tee. Newly released documents confirm KPMG did not undertake a probity audit in 2005 into the assessment and evaluation of shortlisted tenderers for Tourism Australia’s advertising contracts. Should Morrison ever look for a corporate gig after politics … well corporate Australia he’s all yours, says Tee.
https://michaelwest.com.au/did-tourism-australia-really-get-a-kpmg-report-or-was-it-scomos-imagination/
Run off-road crashes occur primarily on country roads, accounting for about 40 per cent of all road deaths every year, says a new federal government report.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/why-crashes-like-buxton-tragedy-account-for-40-per-cent-of-road-deaths-20220909-p5bgtd.html
Victorian Liberals face a fierce battle to retain two previously safe regional electorates as an appetite for independents and demographic change threaten to erode the party’s grip on its traditionally conservative coastal heartland.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/it-s-going-to-be-lineball-liberals-in-fierce-battle-for-previously-safe-coastal-seats-20220907-p5bg5v.html
Melissa Cunningham tells us that Victorian health officials are racing to determine the source of more than 40 locally acquired cases of monkeypox, as doctors warn diagnosis is complicated by symptoms closely mirroring sexually transmitted infections including syphilis and herpes.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/victoria-s-monkeypox-outbreak-grows-as-doctors-warn-symptoms-mirror-stis-20220911-p5bh49.html
Star Entertainment should lose its licence to operate in NSW unless it overhauls its board and undertakes compliance reform, the NSW inquiry into the company’s suitability has concluded.
https://amp.theaustralian.com.au/business/companies/bell-inquiry-finds-star-entertainment-not-fit-for-casino-licence-but-set-to-offer-lifeline/news-story/7b41173d60627d01cf4295619b4b0ff4
History will judge Republicans who stay silent about the big lie, writes Robert Reich who says that if the democratic experiment called America continues to unravel because of what Republicans did or failed to do, they will live in infamy.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/11/trump-big-lie-republicans-democracy-election
Putin is waging an economic war with Europe and Britain’s absurd energy plan plays into his hands, says Will Hutton.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/11/putin-waging-economic-war-with-europe-britains-absurd-energy-plan-plays-into-his-hands
Over the weekend Russian nationalists called angrily for President Vladimir Putin to make immediate changes to ensure ultimate victory in the Ukraine war, a day after Moscow was forced to abandon its main bastion in north-eastern Ukraine.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/moscow-is-silent-russian-nationalists-rage-after-stunning-setbacks-in-ukraine-20220912-p5bh90.html
Cartoon Corner
Jim Pavlidis
Matt Golding
David Rowe
Badiucao
Alan Moir
Mark Knight
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From the US
Scottsays:
Monday, September 12, 2022 at 6:35 am
Scott Morrison will be envious of Anthony Albanese , that Anthony Albanese will be the first Prime Minister who begins a new era under a king as Australia Head of State.
_____________________
Did you come up with that little gem all by yourself Scott ?
Some people take thier politics way too seriously.
In 1,095 years of Monarchy, 73-year-old King Charles III is the oldest person to ever assume the British Throne since its inception in 927 A.D.
…And he is still 6 years younger than Joe Biden
BK, this often leads to a renewed push to remove significant trees from road sides rather than reducing speeds. Often in the name of constructing solid road shoulders (at great expense). Road works are so political; tragic deaths like this understandably resonate but the thought of redcuing a speed limit (adding 5 minutes to a 30min journey) seems impossibly hard yet significant road construction and tree removal is the go-to option.
#weatheronPB
Tiny jet under solid clouds,
drags its tiny roar far behind it.
Nothing else moves up there.
Taylormade @ #27 Monday, September 12th, 2022 – 6:59 am
He is no match for your fields of gold.
So the authors think Australia’s foreign policy should be guided by the ethnic composition of 5-6 electorates ? Sounds a dumb arse way to form foreign policy.
poroti
I try to present many points of view. 🙂
Kelta
Condolences. Thats a lot to deal with….
Eston Kohver @ #25 Sunday, September 11th, 2022 – 10:20 pm
Fellow bellringer here Eston Kohver 🙂
To my ear that clip sounds like fully muffled with the tenor open at backstroke
I always understood the UK protocol for muffled ringing to be:
Half Muffled – all ‘in memoriam’ contexts eg Remembrance Sunday (you may also remember the half muffled ringing at Diana’s funeral). I have rung several half muffled peals and quarter peals to mark the death of an individual or for Remembrance Sunday
Fully Muffled, Tenor Open at Handstroke – ringing on Good Friday. I have taken part in same several times
Fully Muffled – death of the Sovereign only*
*It would appear, reading around, that in this context it is with the tenor open at backstroke as in the Adelaide clip. You live and learn, I’ve been a ringer since 1976
This is a glorious clip of Westminster Abbey half muffled
https://youtu.be/8rIb6qpMfWo
Kelta @ #24 Monday, September 12th, 2022 – 7:20 am
Kelta, my thoughts are with you. 🙂
In all respects. 😉
Wow, the things you learn about esteemed Bludgers. 🙂
BK @ #33 Monday, September 12th, 2022 – 7:59 am
Excluding the royals 🙂
Thanks Vic, it was and is still heart breaking and 3 round trips from Brisbane to Perth and down to Busselton for the funerals was very tiring .
but i did get to see mum before she went and spend time with my wonderful cousins..
BK
Well the ‘Great Helmsman’ did say “Let a hundred flowers blossom”. 🙂
Thanks Cat..
In this clip from St. Paul’s cathedral you can see the leather mufflers attached to one side of the clapper 🙂
https://youtu.be/nVqEBkkE-Lc?t=229
The “Mechanic” cartoon is a good one.
Cautious optimism from around the world … but extremely cautious in the case of Australia …
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/commentisfree/2022/sep/12/reasons-for-cautious-optimism-the-good-news-on-the-climate-crisis
It might indeed. Let’s hope they can come up with a better answer than they have on the stage 3 tax cuts.
On an interview with Lisa Miller on ABC Breakfast,l Albanese did a Morrison and excelled at it and beat Morrison and Howard hands down when talking about Queen Elizabeth and acting like sombre. (Tip my hat to him emoji)
Ray (UK) at 8:16
Indeed, the convention for fully muffled ringing is with open tenor backstrokes as per https://cccbr.org.uk/guidance-note-operation-london-bridge/
This creates a sea of sound with the tenor tolling in the foreground.
I’ve rung at all the towers in Westminster bar the Abbey, and that’s been more a matter of getting organised in time to request a visit. I’m also a Cumberland*, not a College Youth^, which is a slight barrier. But when I joined in the 90s, I found the Cumberlands were welcoming and diverse. The College Youths now have female members, but that change was too late for my progressive mindset.
* Society of Royal Cumberland Youths
^ Ancient Society of College Youths
The two Societies engage in friendly rivalry to drive excellent ringing forward
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Quasarsays:
Monday, September 12, 2022 at 5:22 am
Really hope this is the beginning of the end of Trump-
“HOLY MOLY: The DOJ will put Trump’s lawyers before a grand jury and give them the choice to flip on Trump or risk perjuring themselves according to sources who spoke to David Rohde, executive editor of the New Yorker.”- twitter
”
Attorney-client privilege anyone?
Eston Kohver @ #46 Sunday, September 11th, 2022 – 11:31 pm
I’m a College Youth myself 🙂
I’ve seen some ringing on YouTube for the Queen from Nottingham and I think they had the tenor open at handstroke .. either that or they’re ringing cartwheel
We all knew there was more to come on this one …
https://www.theklaxon.com.au/home/aat-exec-in-salary-scandal
… and … who was that Health Minister? …
As the old saying goes – It’s not the crime, it’s the cover up that does the damage.
Thanks, BK.