The Australian reports the latest Newspoll has Labor leading 53-47, in from 54-46 three weeks ago. The primary votes are Coalition 37% (up two), Labor 38% (steady), Greens 11% (steady) and One Nation 2% (down one). Scott Morrison is down two on approval to 44% and up two on disapproval to 52%, while Anthony Albanese is respectively steady on 37% and up two to 48%. Morrison’s lead as preferred prime minister has been cut from 48-34 to 46-38. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Saturday from a sample of 1524.
Bushfire Bill says:
Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 6:26 pm
Better to spend 3 $billion over a decade to keep thousands in gainful employment, an industrial base alive, and prepare for future exploitation of the coming energy revolution, than pissing TEN TIMES THAT up against the wall in a mere six months supporting spiv donors and corporate hucksters to make record profits, and pay themselves executive bonuses, all while sacking their workers, don’t ya reckon, nath?
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Absolutely. But the wastes of JobKeeper doesn’t excuse a never ending drain on the taxpayer for an un-competitive industry that doesn’t export. And how many further billions would it cost to transition to EVs? I suppose the taxpayer can fund that too. How about a high tariff wall to protect Australian made cars? That would protect the industry from overseas competition……Oh wait, I’ve seen this movie before.
Socrates says:
Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 6:55 pm
The current Liberal “government” is giving more than $10 billion per year in subsidies to fossil fuel industries that employ fewer people, are mostly foreign owned (like the car makers) and pay virtually no tax. Yet it is still signed up to the Paris agreement which implies that industry has no future after 2050. So why give it > $10 billion per annum??
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I assume you are talking about the Excise Rebate? Well every business gets that. There should certainly be a study done on the effects of winding it back if possible.
Taylormade @ #1434 Wednesday, November 17th, 2021 – 6:19 pm
I didn’t realise you’re a supporter.
Why would Nine pay for Hastie’s legal fees ?
Nath, rather pathetically, writes:
Go and stick an eggplant up your own arse nath, before you start criticising anyone else.
The money spent on the motor vehicle manufacturing industry over ten years was about a tenth of that spent lining management pockets and installing gold taps in executive shithouses with Jobkeeper.
The consequences to the motor vehicle industry were its annhilation, with a parting sneer from Joe Hockey.
The consequences to the likes of Gerry Harvey, Solly Lew and the rest of the “great Australians” who gouged tens of billions as a reward to themselves for employing smart accountants to spot the lurk, was a big fat zero and a cheer from your hero, Scotty From Marketing.
If you can’t see the difference in the two situations you’re even more pathetic than we first thought.
Who is Hastie suing in the WA Supreme Court? is it in relation to this matter I wonder? Very odd set of proceedings by the looks of it.
https://www.watoday.com.au/politics/western-australia/bring-it-on-federal-mp-andrew-hastie-to-face-court-over-conspiracy-claims-20210818-p58jxv.html
On Jobkeeper,
never have so few,
stolen so much,
from so many,
with so little risk of jail.
Bushfire Bill says:
Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 7:32 pm
Nath, rather pathetically, writes:
Absolutely. But the wastes of JobKeeper doesn’t excuse a never ending drain on the taxpayer for an un-competitive industry that doesn’t export.
Go and stick an eggplant up your own arse nath, before you start criticising anyone else.
If you can’t see the difference in the two situations you’re even more pathetic than we first thought.
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I just admitted that I saw a difference between the two situations. So what are you talking about?
Surely everyone can agree that Australia having no capability to make an automotive vehicle is really dumb!
Brilliant.
7.30 does an analysis of Labor’s NBN policy… by interviewing Liberal ministers.
What a crock.
Senator Bragg failed miserably on PK’ show to justify a Senate Committee into Aunty’s complaints procedure. This is purely political designed to nobble the ABC, there having already been an independent inquiry announced:
[‘The ABC Board has commissioned an independent review of the national public broadcaster’s editorial self-regulatory system and complaints handling.
The review will be headed by Professor John McMillan AO, former Commonwealth and NSW Ombudsman and Jim Carroll, former SBS Director – News and Current Affairs and Head of News and Public Affairs for the Ten Network.
The review will examine the issue: How well does the ABC manage external complaints and feedback about compliance with ABC editorial standards?’]
Buttrose’s correct, Morrison’s inquiry is a gross case of political interference, payback for its investigative
journalism into some the creeps in his lousy, corrupt government.
Socrates says:
Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 7:39 pm
On Jobkeeper,
never have so few,
stolen so much,
from so many,
with so little risk of jail.
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Why on earth didn’t they restructure it in a similar way to TARP in the United States? The hundreds of billions given to the financial industry has been repaid with interest.
I think Jobkeeper seriously justifies a temporary tax surcharge on companies that participated in it until the money is repaid. Labor should go with that. It would be popular and appropriate.
Socrates @ #1448 Wednesday, November 17th, 2021 – 6:28 pm
Moving the state election to a Thursday is certainly one I haven’t heard yet 😛
Seriously though, it’s possible. I think your colleague’s sources are just preparing for anything. I don’t even think Morrison knows yet. It will all depend on how confident he’s feeling in February.
OK, since my post is not editing, I just want to clarify that I don’t mean it’s possible to hold the state election on the 7th. Obviously, Socrates meant the 9th (the latest date the state election can be delayed to)
BB
“7.30 does an analysis of Labor’s NBN policy… by interviewing Liberal ministers.”
I just switched off 7:30. Now watching “Dr Who” on iview – the stories are more believable.
Mavis
I couldn’t follow most of Sen Bragg’s justification. Made me think it’s just a political stunt with nothing behind it. He’s not the brightest.
Why on earth didn’t they restructure it in a similar way to TARP in the United States? The hundreds of billions given to the financial industry has been repaid with interest.
So has the Billions that Obama gave to the Automotive Industry. Repaid with interest. Kept hundreds of thousands in jobs in direct employment and ancillary industries.
And that other furphy of yours, ‘but no export industry, so forget about it it’s not worth it’, glosses over the historical evidence that Australia’s automotive industry was well-supported in a patriotic sense, as well as the cars themselves being well worth spending money on, by the vast majority of the Australian population.
Like, I know it’s hard for some people to get patriotism, love of your country and the things it produces, but it’s not the case for most, thank goodness.
And I don’t mean the faux guff that Morrison specialises in either.
I think Jobkeeper seriously justifies a temporary tax surcharge on companies that participated in it until the money is repaid.
That’s a good idea. Labor should not announce it before the election, just do it when safely in office. Or, failing that, quietly shelve the Stage 3 tax cuts.
Lizzie @ #1017 Wednesday, November 17th, 2021 – 7:57 pm
He’s just one of those former Young Liberals who have been marinated in the culture of the Liberal Party and the Culture Wars they conduct, so well that he got himself a spot in the Senate.
C@tmomma says:
Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 8:03 pm
And that other furphy of yours, ‘but no export industry, so forget about it it’s not worth it’, glosses over the historical evidence that Australia’s automotive industry was well-supported in a patriotic sense, as well as the cars themselves being well worth spending money on, by the vast majority of the Australian population.
Like, I know it’s hard for some people to get patriotism, love of your country and the things it produces, but it’s not the case for most, thank goodness.
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That’s an expensive way to demonstrate patriotism, particularly when you are putting the badges of foreign auto makers on the finished product.
There are so many worthier claims upon the taxpayer. But what’s even worse is this submarine business. That’s all about patriotism, nationalism and masturbation material for nationalists.
Lizzie:
Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 7:57 pm
[‘Mavis
I couldn’t follow most of Sen Bragg’s justification. Made me think it’s just a political stunt with nothing behind it. He’s not the brightest.’]
That’s because he didn’t have one. I get the feeling he wants to make a name for himself with the right-wing media & also his Party. I may’ve missed it but Labor should be all over this, in particular Rowlands, the Shadow Minister for Communications.
Watt Tyler
Thanks no doubt the 9th April makes more sense, I just wrote down what the guy said. He is well connected around the big end of town though, so its interesting.
Speaking of Liberal governments gifting taxpayers billions to private companies for nothing in return, its worth remembering this Angus Taylor scam from May this year – $2.3 billion to oil companies to “bolster fuel security”.
Yet experts (Richard Merzian, ACCC’s Rod Sims) said:
“ But experts said the plan, which is designed to ensure Australia doesn’t become totally reliant on imported fuel, won’t make petrol any cheaper and could even boost prices by disadvantaging cheaper imported product.”
https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2021/05/17/petrol-prices-oil-subsidies/
Sure enough, we are now seeing more expensive fuel. Well done Angus Taylor, the Resources Minister who brought you more expensive power and more expensive fuel.
Easter 2022 is Sunday 17 April. NSW School holidays start April 8.
April 9 is a viable election date. April 2 might be better.
Imagine for a moment the ads Labor could run demolishing the coalitions NBN efforts.
Demolishing their credibility. Humiliating Abbott and Turnbull.
Just imagine.
It’ll only happen in your imagination.
Steve777 says:
Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 8:03 pm
That’s a good idea. Labor should not announce it before the election, just do it when safely in office. Or, failing that, quietly shelve the Stage 3 tax cuts.
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The problem with that is that it is still putting the taxpayer on the hook for JobKeeper. There has to be a direct levy on those companies that took the money.
Socrates @ #794 Wednesday, November 17th, 2021 – 8:20 pm
Would’ve loved to have heard Albo equate the cost of the fibre NBN with the billions gifted to business and corporations through Jobrorter.
I sent a fairly complex tax query to the ATO a fortnight ago and received a detailed, comprehensible reply tonight. Very impressed.
Steve777 @ #1474 Wednesday, November 17th, 2021 – 7:51 pm
We’re talking about the SA election. Autumn School holidays in SA begin on 15 April in 2022.
If the federal election is held in the same month that the state election is due (i.e. March 2022), there’s a constitutional mechanism that can be used to delay the election date up to three weeks. The scheduled date is 19 March 2022. Because, like the federal election, it must be held on a Saturday, that means it can be postponed to 26 March, 2 April or 9 April.
It should also be noted that it ‘can’ be postponed; it doesn’t have to be. If the federal election were to be held on the first Saturday of March, Marshall might feel that March 19 is still fine.
Liberals that i speak too think it will be earlier than later so March is a real possibility because Morrison’s strategy is based on winning off the honeymoon of everything reopening and the Christmas/New Year.
I really wish political partys were capped heavily on how much they could advertise.
Especially on the internet.
One great bonus is that partys would be less desperate for donations.
nath @ #1462 Wednesday, November 17th, 2021 – 7:44 pm
I think Jobkeeper seriously justifies a temporary surge in Labor’s passion for tory fighting…….. while there’s still time.
After some 100 years plus, Labor never controlled the Upper House of the WA Parliament (the chamber where some electorates had 1/3 of the number of electors compared with some city electorates) and new legislation passed the Parliament means there is at least some reasonable chance of a more equitable vote in the future.
Of course, the whinge from the conservatives falls in two parts….Somehow country people are disenfranchised (clearly not true) and secondly Labor said they were not going to do anything about this hideous mal-proportion of the voting process….
The lesson for Federal Labor is to get into office and deal with issues rather than painstakingly lay out ever twist and turn of what it might legislate for…..
Come the next election in 2025, the WA LNP can still gain majority in both houses, but Labor will not be precluded of winning the same option…..
The conservatives were never prepared to argue the equity case other than one vote for a human and two votes for sheep were seen as a fair way to protect those in the bush….All rubbish of course, but they got away with it for generations…
The WA model follows the one in NSW – a point the conservative side never alludes to……….
lizzie @ #670 Tuesday, November 16th, 2021 – 7:50 am
Deliberate Kafkaesque cruelty. The entire point of which is to break the system and make people fear and hate it. 🙁
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Nicko @ #1177 Wednesday, November 17th, 2021 – 12:46 am
Pleased to hear that. Enough of the mindless fire sale of essential public infrastructure to the parasitic spivocracy.
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frednk @ #1361 Wednesday, November 17th, 2021 – 1:22 pm
I have an old (though still reliable) ICE car that I am trying to nurse along until EVs get going here. Buying a new ICE car now is risking a stranded investment, particularly if (like mine) it doesn’t do a lot of kms and would otherwise have a long life.
No doubt many others are in a similar predicament.
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Cud Chewer @ #1405 Wednesday, November 17th, 2021 – 2:52 pm
Nah, don’t give him that excuse. I mean, he is that too. But he also knew full well what he was destroying, and went along with it just to get another crack at the big chair. He is as guilty as Abbott and Murdoch in the wreck job of the FTTP network.
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Steve777 @ #1468 Wednesday, November 17th, 2021 – 6:33 pm
I vote for both.
Sometimes I wish the 1906 referendum failed and Senate terms still began on 1 January. Election timing would be a lot easier to discuss if it was just a case of “The half-Senate term expires on 31 December 2022, therefore a half-Senate election (and presumably the House election can be held along with it) must be held in 2022.” No nonsense involved with juggling around Christmas, Summer, Easter and federal budgets and fewer clashes with state elections.
JM
“ I have an old (though still reliable) ICE car that I am trying to nurse along until EVs get going here. Buying a new ICE car now is risking a stranded investment, particularly if (like mine) it doesn’t do a lot of kms and would otherwise have a long life.”
Agreed. It is a terrible time to buy a new car in Australia right now. Less long term prospects than Tim Smith.
And no, that’s not an invitation to give me a history lesson on the 1906 referendum, and why it was supported. I can read Wikipedia too.
https://www.pollbludger.net/2021/11/14/newspoll-53-47-to-labor-11/comment-page-29/#comment-3749985
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-17/nbn-fully-operational-but-some-still-without-reliable-internet/100626954
… it would appear that fed gov from 2013, or fed gov from 2007, Nbnco still means that regional, rural and remote still lose the Internet when it rains?
Should have kept competition in extended metro and sort regional and beyond.
So the chatter by extended metro salon socialists about speed (for up to 81% of premises on wired to have Gbps by 2025, anything for the 19% wired or wireless), doesn’t do much, be it reliability/ availability, or affordability.
Overseas LEO sat (cost) or 5G (not there)?
Genuinely not that I’m complying.. good to see the frumpy frocks have gone.. a shame Jen didn’t get out from under the Shire Liars thumb earlier… even if it took the PR crew to do it.
Put a sock in it mundo. There’s no date from now until May 21 that will assist this terminal, corrupt government from defeat. Granted the margin will narrow but not enough to see it reelected. You need to get with the groove rather than talking down Labor’s chances at every opportunity, under the guise of being a “True Believer.”
JM
Even now, post politics, Turnbull still does a good impression of someone who thinks he did a wonderful job with the NBN. Even given his hatred for Abbott, he doesn’t “spill the beans” and say yes it was purely politics.
I’m voting more for incompetence on Turnbull’s part than wilful destruction.
Here’s another thing too. In Turnbull’s business life he demonstrated the skill of “bodging the books and flogging it off”.. that’s essentially what his game plan for NBNco was.
The people who advised Turnbull are the ones that deserve to be taken out and shot. People like Henry Ergas (who strangely enough got a nice gig at the new NBNco) and certain other parties who knew what they were doing was dodgy but didn’t mind the dosh.
If today’s effort by Albo with as prime a piece of political ammunition as the coalitions NBN disaster, is the best he can manage then I’ll have to revise downwards the slim chance I give Labor of winning.
What stage in The Shire Liar’s epic journey of lying was this…
Prime Minister Scott Morrison told a key colleague he was not ready to take the leadership during a party crisis three years ago when he pledged loyalty to his predecessor, Malcolm Turnbull.
Former Liberal backbencher Ann Sudmalis has revealed a conversation with Mr Morrison in August 2018 when he said he did not expect to become prime minister, citing the remark as proof he did not lie when he promised to support Mr Turnbull.
Mundo:
Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 8:53 pm
[‘If today’s effort by Albo with as prime a piece of political ammunition as the coalitions NBN disaster, is the best he can manage then I’ll have to revise downwards the slim chance I give Labor of winning.’]
Well, that’s no frigging surprise.
Wat,
Your loss. Briefly voted in that referendum.
[‘Vaccine rollout
NSW
91.3% fully vaccinated; 94.2% first dose
National
83.9% fully vaccinated; 90.9% first dose
Of the estimated population aged 16 and over.’] -SMH
Sceptic
Sudmalis insisted she knew Scott really well and all that he said was because of his advisors. I do wonder how naive she is. She also wanted Julie Bish to win however!
https://www.governanceinstitute.com.au/advocacy/ethics-index/
Hmmm, pandemic, onshore manufacturing (?), climate …
In football parlance, Mundo’s one of those barrackers that sits out on the wing abusing the players of his team of choice relentlessly.
Apparently, he’s smarter than the coach, knows who should be selected and doesn’t mind telling everyone about his nuanced insight on any team matter.
His strategy is yell at it.
That’s it!
Attenborough discovered this species years ago. It’s called Completus Dickheadus!
He observed that despite Mundo’s never ending bile, he was always first beer at the free barrel of victory and could then tell all that it was him with wot won it!
NSW: 77% fully vaccinated (the numbers are here- https://covidlive.com.au/nsw).