Another week’s worth of federal preselection developments. For the latest on the Western Australian election campaign, see the post below.
• Richard Ferguson of The Australian reports there is “speculation” Senator Kristina Keneally might move to the House of Representatives amid a preselection battle with Right faction colleague Deborah O’Neill, in which the winner will get the factionally reserved top position on the ticket while the loser will be relegated to highly loseable third place.
• Nick Champion, who has held the seat of Spence (formerly Wakefield) for Labor since 2007, will move to state politics in the safe seat of Taylor at the next election in March 2022. Champion is aligned with the socially conservative Shop Distributive Allied and Employees Association sub-faction of the Right, and is a member of the pro-coal mining Otis Group. No apparent word on who might be in line to replace him in Spence, which is now a safe seat.
• The Brisbane Times reports the preselection of Graham Perrett, who has held the Brisbane seat of Moreton for Labor since 2007, faces a preselection challenge from state party secretary Julie-Ann Campbell, who among other things has affirmative action considerations in her favour.
• The South Australian Liberals have finalised their Senate ticket, with incumbents Simon Birmingham and Andrew McLachlan taking the top two positions and the third going to Kerrynne Liddle, a factional moderate of indigenous background who works as a staffer to Social Services Minister and SA Senator Anne Ruston. Tom Richardson of InDaily reports Liddle was chosen ahead of state party vice-president Rachel Swift by a margin of 130 to 78.
I find the argument about “putting an extra $2 on delivery” a silly one. It’s not the poorer people who frequently ring up and order a delivered meal.
lizzie says:
Sunday, February 14, 2021 at 9:35 am
Speers treating McManus like an adult who can be listened to. Sounds very unusual!
He tried his gotcha but she replies with logical answers.
“Depends on the success of the Vaccine doesn’t it.” didn’t leave speers any stupid place to go.
Dutton. At last!
Correctemundo, David Crowe. KK is staying in the Senate at the top of the NSW Labor ticket and Deb O’Neill will be the one contesting a Lower House seat. Maybe Robertson again.
Though I made my position clear last week that she shouldn’t. She’s already been beaten by the Liberals’ Lucy Wicks once and the people of Robertson have become comfortable with her. If labor want to win the seat back they need to put a male candidate up against Wishy Washy Wicks.
I saw the recommendation for Daughter of time on the previous thread, for anyone actually interested in Richard III. However that is short, and there is to many minds a better fiction work on Richard.
The author, Sharon Penman, died a few weeks ago. Her Sunne in splendour is very long but it humanizes Richard and sees him as a man of his time.
I can’t suggest where to get a copy other than to try your local library, Book Depository or Amazon.
Frednk @ #52 Sunday, February 14th, 2021 – 9:45 am
Also James Campbell made a similar point at the end of Insiders. What if Victoria is still suffering when JobKeeper is slated to end?
Casuals versus permanent employees. An analysis in the wine industry.
I guess one good thing about KK staying in the Senate is that it will stop speculation that she should be leader
Simon Katich @ #29 Sunday, February 14th, 2021 – 7:54 am
Proper hockey, on ice, yes? Incredible fun.
The United States Congress can still hold a separate vote on whether Donald Trump encouraged insurrection when he was president and is therefore ineligible to hold federal or state office, as required by Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution. That declaration by the Congress would only require simple majorities in the House and Senate to be passed. It would be up to courts to decide whether to enforce that declaration that Trump is constitutionally ineligible to hold federal and state offices.
https://theconversation.com/congress-could-use-an-arcane-section-of-the-14th-amendment-to-hold-trump-accountable-for-capitol-attack-153344
To all Victorians struggling today.
For some light relief youtube -Marsh family totally fixed where we are.
Never mind SK. Wrong Wyoming. 🙁
“ Proper hockey, on ice, yes? Incredible fun.”
I went to watch a boxing match once, but things got out of hand when an Ice Hockey game broke out.
https://youtu.be/VHMi-j7W2gM
LR
I was just going to say. One has lots of open space and cattle, the other was a fairly desperate suburb on the central coast but would now cost a not inconsiderable amount to get into.
Wyoming, in the hills behind Gosford. I remember I got lost there once while helping my sister in her job delivering flowers.
Predictably self-interest trumped the moral compass of the Republican senators who voted not to convict Trump. Considering the evidence against him, a precedent has been set to the effect that a president can get away with almost anything. It will now be of interest to see how this plays out in civil and criminal courts.* And he won’t be able to rely on the 5th Amendment double jeopardy rule as his impeachment proceeding was not a criminal trial.
* https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/13/politics/trump-legal-problems-post-impeachment/index.html
Proper hockey is wonderfun. I got into it in my 40s, in Seattle. It nearly killed me. But the grin was worth it. I’ve still got the skates, somewhere.
So the top 2 Labor Senate positions in NSW are going to women:
* Kristina Keneally
* Jenny McAllister
Andrew_Earlwoodsays: Sunday, February 14, 2021 at 10:19 am
“ Proper hockey, on ice, yes? Incredible fun.”
I went to watch a boxing match once, but things got out of hand when an Ice Hockey game broke out.
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Hockey comes to mind. People think hockey is a sport. It’s not. Hockey is three activities taking place at the same time: ice skating, fooling around with a puck, and beating the shit out of somebody. If these guys had more brains then teeth, they’d do these things one at a time. First go ice-skating, then fool around with a puck, then you go to the bar and beat the shit out of somebody. The day would last longer, and these guys would have a lot more fun. Another reason why hockey isn’t a sport is that it’s not played with a ball. Anything not played with a ball can’t be a sport. These are my rules, I make ’em up.
George Carlin
Frednk @ #49 Sunday, February 14th, 2021 – 9:41 am
Would make a very very competent opposition leader?
‘The devil is a saint when compared to Donald Trump’: longtime Trump advisor
Those close to Donald Trump understand his rotten character, according to a new report by CNN’s Jim Acosta.
Acosta was interviewed by Wolf Blitzer after the Senate voted 57-43 to convict Trump of inciting the January 6th insurrection at the U.S. Capitol,
“The other thing I will tell you, Wolf, talking to a longtime Trump advisor about one of the more damning parts of the trial, that was it was basically established the former president did nothing when his vice-president, Mike Pence, was in danger up on Capitol Hill on January 6th, essentially threw his vice-president under the bus,” Acosta explained. “I asked a longtime Trump advisor about this and the Trump advisor said, ‘the devil is a saint when compared to Donald Trump.'”
“Wolf, I mean even inside Trump world there are people who know this president’s character, know who he is and to have a longtime Trump advisor say something like that, I think, you know, establishes that even inside his own circle of advisers, allies and associates, there are some major questions about this man’s character, Wolf,” Acosta explained.
https://www.rawstory.com/mike-pence-donald-trump-2650530231/
Impeachment has been a good way to wedge the Republicans. Now we know what most of them are prepared to accept. Although of course, we more or less knew it before, the vote confirms it.
Nicholas:
Sunday, February 14, 2021 at 10:16 am
Bear in mind that the body that ultimately determines the invocation by Congress of the 14th Amendment (s.3) is the US Supreme Court, and it’s doubtful that the conservative judges would find against him, despite the SCOTUS refusing to have a bar of the challenges to the election outcome in states where the results were relatively close. I postulate that Democratic leaders considered the 14th Amendment but opted for impeachment for this reason.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/with-trumps-acquittal-the-fragility-of-americas-democracy-is-even-more-clear/
A good snapshot
NSW – Zero local transmission – now 28 days since the last local transmission.
2 travelers in quarantine.
Steve777 says:
Sunday, February 14, 2021 at 11:02 am
Impeachment has been a good way to wedge the Republicans. Now we know what most of them are prepared to accept. Although of course, we more or less knew it before, the vote confirms it.
This will help the Democrats in future contests against the Republicans that voted against conviction. They have declared themselves as Trumpist to the end.
I see De Minaur went down to Fognini in three, leaving Barty as the only Aussie left in the tournament. Gone it seems are the golden days of Aussie tennis of the 60s, 70s.
Trump fears he’ll be hit with criminal charges for inciting insurrection: report
CNN’s Kaitlan Collins reported Saturday.
Kaitlan, I understand you are hearing that despite the acquittal, the former president is still very much worried about his legal future,” CNN’s Wolf Blitzer said.
“He is, Wolf,” Collins replied. “And privately he has expressed concern that he be charged related to the January 6th rally — or riot I should say. That’s what he told multiple people.”
“When you saw Mitch McConnell come out to try to explain his acquittal vote and he very strongly implied that the legal system should take care of Donald Trump, saying he was practically and morally responsible for that riot, that really does get at the heart of a big concern for the former president,”
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-criminal-investigation-2650530309/
Even McManus would find it impossible to find a sensible position between OTIS and LEAN.
So the ALP is giving up on neg hearing reform…
God they are so weak to do that.
What hope does Albo offer? Really, like what’s he actually offer now.
phoenixRED @ #79 Sunday, February 14th, 2021 – 11:18 am
So, what are the rules in the US re a person who has been criminally convicted being allowed to run for public office …?
Q: Gone it seems are the golden days of Aussie tennis of the 60s, 70s
But there were 7 men and 3 women in Round 2 which was a pretty good result.
Of course we do have the World No1 woman (by a huge margin 9100 to 7200 points)- who has been World Number 1 the end of the last 2 years.
South @ #81 Sunday, February 14th, 2021 – 11:27 am
I suppose he could get into office first then build a case to change neg gearing and franking credits at the following election aka JWH with the GST.
dave @ #76 Sunday, February 14th, 2021 – 11:08 am
Nice numbers.
Under NSW rules no active cases but there are 34 cases in quarantine in the last 14 days
The case for franking credits/negative gearing has already been built.
People who voted on those issues will still vote against Labor, believing that Labor in government will work to bring them in.
It would be a better strategy to keep the policies and outline how the money saved is going to be spent, and spend it in ways that appeal to that demographic – for example, free dental care, increased spending on ageing in place, and the like.
Too late zoomster. Albo the absent, even if he does win, what will he do. What a waste of years his ‘leadership has been’
Rex Douglas @ #82 Sunday, February 14th, 2021 – 8:29 am
As far as I can tell, a criminal record will stop you being allowed to vote, but not running for office.
The Dems in the US have shown Labor how to unite.
The Clintonites , unlike the Labor right, have moved to accomodate the environmentalist progressives.
This should provide a strong political position to entrench themselves in Govt for a long time..
Most of you will be aware that Andrew O’Keefe, former host of Channel 7, is up on domestic violence charges against his wife.
What you may not know is that O’keefe was one of the founders of White Ribbon, a domestic violence organisation which recruits men to denounce violence against women; and he has been a very vocal and passionate member.
One of the basic arguments that this organisation has always pushed is that the woman’s version in these cases must be believed. Yet now O’Keefe is telling us that his wife is lying.
It’s funny how things work out at times. Perhaps O’Keefe, whether he is guilty or not, is starting to realise that these matters are not quite as simple as he once thought.
Rex
Different electoral system, different strategies.
Winning votes from the Greens won’t get Labor into power. Winning votes from the Liberals will.
John Hewson was the wrong person to sell the GST, just like the dolt Bowen was the wrong person to sell franking credit/neg gearing reform.
If Albo wants to win the election, he’ll park the reforms in the middle draw – and if he wins he’ll get Chalmers to sweet talk the east coast boomers before the following election.
The flaw in Labor’s previous proposed changes to negative gearing and capital gains tax is that while there are strong arguments in favour (reduces inequality; removes distortions from housing markets; puts downward pressure on house price inflation) the measures take tangible goodies away from a vocal group of voters while only offering diffuse benefits to everybody else. So the losers from the change are much more motivated than the people who benefit.
Labor should focus on doing things that provide obvious, tangible benefits to super majorities of people. The most useful thing it could do is campaign on full employment policies, strong workers’ rights, plentiful attractive job vacancies, big improvements to the scale and quality of public services and public infrastructure, and secure tenure to quality housing as a human right.
Changing the rules for capital gains and negative gearing is not urgent, and it would be much easier to do AFTER you’ve earned the public’s trust by delivering on things that make people’s lives much more secure. People are going to be less interested in accumulating investment properties as a strategy for bringing stability and security to their lives if you’ve already provided those things to them through high quality public goods and services, a much stronger bargaining position for workers, strong tenants’ rights, a large amount of good quality public housing, and other things that will help them feel secure about their future.
If Biden can deliver the jobs resurgence that he committed to – which includes green jobs and $15 min wage – the economy will roar back and the Dems will be unstoppable.
Meanwhile, the OTIS group controls Labor….
Torchbearer:
Sunday, February 14, 2021 at 11:29 am
[‘But there were 7 men and 3 women in Round 2 which was a pretty good result.
Of course we do have the World No1 woman (by a huge margin 9100 to 7200 points)- who has been World Number 1 the end of the last 2 years.’]
That’s true but I’m talking about the likes of Smith, Goolagong, Sedgman, Hoad, Laver, Rosewall, Newcombe, et al. I don’t see any current players like them except Barty, who, like others, had her ranking frozen between March and August last year due to C.19. That said, given she hasn’t played a tournament since last February, she’s in pretty good form – fingers crossed.
I’m not excited about the ALP chances this year.
I feel most sorry for the children born into this society. They will grow up seeing a future decline in front of them. They will be reminded of a future they won’t be able to have.
What a waste of political effort. All that time talking about neg gearing for nothing.
The ALP vote will decline on this news.
Strategic fuck up. Magnitude 10
Re Nicholas @11:53. A lot of good ideas there.
Bill Shorten and Chris Bowen were a disaster for Labor – and more importantly to Australian society.
To not be able to put a sensible and understandable strategy in place to beat what was and is a muppet show, is heartbreaking.
Albo on the other hand is clearly running a meat and potatoes strategy in contrast. I would not write him off.
South @ #97 Sunday, February 14th, 2021 – 12:03 pm
A comment that is a surprise to no one here.