2:35pm I’ve written an article for The Conversation about Biden’s win, and how mail-in votes turned key states around. I will continue to follow late counting action in a new thread to be posted tomorrow.
6:31am Sunday Overnight, Pennsylvania and Nevada were both CALLED for Biden, taking him to 279 Electoral Votes, nine more than the required 270. Joe Biden is the president-elect of the United States!
2:47pm Both Georgia Senate races (one a by-election) have been called as going to runoffs on January 5. Republican David Perdue’s vote fell to 49.8%, below the majority required to avoid a runoff. Republicans are likely to win the two final uncalled races, in Alaska and North Carolina, for a 50-48 Senate lead. Democrats would need to win both runoffs to make it a 50-50 tied Senate, with Kamala Harris casting the deciding vote.
2:38pm Biden’s lead in Pennsylvania up to over 27,000 or 0.4%. His lead in Georgia is almost 4,400 or 0.09%.
1:12pm Biden’s lead in Arizona drops to under 30,000 votes or 0.9% as a Maricopa batch goes to Trump by ten points. But Arizona is now at 97% counted. Meanwhile, Biden’s Pennsylvania lead edges up to over 21,700 (0.3%).
11:50am Biden leads by 4,022 in Georgia (0.08%), by over 19,500 in Pennsylvania (0.3%), by 1.2% in Arizona and by 1.8% in Nevada. A large drop of votes from Arizona’s Maricopa county in under two hours could confirm that result. Biden continues to pull away in Pennsylvania and Nevada as more mail is counted.
9:15am Biden’s Georgia lead now 4,270 (0.08%) with Gwinnett county ballots counted. His Pennsylvania lead is over 14,500.
7:30am Biden’s lead in Georgia has increased to almost 1,600 votes. Almost 8,200 mail votes remain, including 4,800 in Dem-heavy Gwinnett county. Biden will further increase his lead. Today is the deadline for up to 9,000 military and overseas votes to arrive, but most of them probably won’t.
7:23am Trump has reduced Biden’s lead in Arizona to 1.3% with 93% in. But the latest batch was much weaker for Trump than previous batches, and puts him well off the pace needed to overtake.
6:45am Biden has also extended his lead in Nevada to 1.6% with 92% in. He’s going to win at least 279 Electoral Votes.
6:43am Saturday Biden also seizes the lead in Pennsylvania, by under 14,000 votes or 0.2%. With 96% counted, there are many more heavily Dem votes for Biden to further expand his lead. This state should be called for Biden soon, putting him over the line with 273 Electoral Votes.
8:35pm Biden seizes the lead in Georgia by 917 votes or 0.02%. There are very few votes outstanding, so Biden’s lead won’t stretch much further, and it is well within recount margin. Nobody will call for Biden yet.
8:06pm Trump’s lead in Georgia drops to just 463 votes.
5:55pm Trump’s Georgia margin has just fallen back to under 1,300.
5:50pm Not much counting in the last hour or so. Trump’s lead in Pennsylvania down to about 18,200. Looks like we’ll have to wait til tomorrow morning for Biden to hit the lead in Pennsylvania and Georgia.
4:07pm Trump’s lead in Pennsylvania down to about 22,600 or 0.3%.
3:37pm Trump’s leads are now 24,500 in Pennsylvania and 1,800 in Georgia.
2:56pm And Pennsylvania keeps going Biden’s way, as Trump’s lead drops to 26,000 or 0.4%.
2:47pm Trump’s lead in Pennsylvania now under 37,000 or 0.5%.
2:27pm Georgia still has over 16,000 votes to count, so Biden is very likely to take the lead.
1:49pm Trump’s leads in Pennsylvania and Georgia now at 42,000 and under 2,000 respectively. Biden is likely to take the lead soon in both states.
1:33pm Back to the US, and Biden’s margin in Arizona keeps tightening, now down to 1.6% with 90% in. The Trump margin in Georgia is down to under 2,500 votes. In Pennsylvania, Trump’s lead is now under 50,000 (0.7%), with plenty of mail still to come.
1:10pm A diversion to New Zealand, where final results of the election three weeks ago gave Labour 65 of the 120 seats, National 33, the Greens and ACT ten each and the Maori party two. Labour won 50.0% of the vote, National 25.6%, the Greens 7.9%, ACT 7.6% and Maori 1.2%. Labour and Maori each gained one seat at National’s expense from the election night results, with Labour’s vote increasing 0.9%.
12:05pm Mail ballots have been going to Biden even in big Trump counties. Nate Silver says that Trump discouraged his supporters from voting by mail, so even in Trump counties, the few Biden voters dominated mail. But there’s a LOT more mail in Biden counties.
11:17am Trump’s lead in Pennsylvania down to 1.0% with 94% in. But Biden’s lead in Arizona drops to 2.1% as late mail votes there favour Trump.
11:12am Trump now ahead in Georgia by just 3,600 votes or 0.1%. Clayton county in Atlanta appears to be the last county with votes outstanding. That’s at 95% in, and Biden’s winning by 85-14. Final votes there could well put Biden ahead.
9:33am Trump’s lead in Pennsylvania down to 1.4% with 93% in.
9:30am Trump’s lead in Georgia now just under 10,000 votes or 0.2%. It appears there are enough votes left for Biden to take the lead. Both Georgia Senate seats are headed for January 5 runoffs as Republican David Perdue’s vote share falls just under 50%.
9:27am 90% of the Nevada ballots remaining are in Democratic favouring Clark county, much of them mail. Biden is very likely to further expand his Nevada lead.
7:12am Biden is winning almost 80% with Pennsylvania mail ballots
7:02am Trump’s lead in Georgia is down to just 0.3% with 98% in.
7:00am In Pennsylvania, Trump’s lead is down to 1.7% with 92% in. The remaining vote is Dem-heavy mail. Biden is likely to lead comfortably once all votes are counted.
6:53am Friday Biden slightly extended his lead in Nevada on this morning’s counting, to 0.9% with 89% reporting. Nevada’s analyst Jon Ralston is virtually calling for Biden based on where the remaining votes are, and how Democrats have performed.
4:43pm A Pennsylvania win would get Biden 273 Electoral Votes, three above the magic 270. Biden is also currently ahead in Nevada (more votes to be counted tomorrow) and Arizona (late mail favouring Trump there). He is a good chance to win Georgia once all votes are counted. If Biden wins these states, he wins the Electoral College by 306-232, an exact reversal of the 2016 result.
4:35pm Trump’s lead in Pennsylvania is just 2.6% with 89% in. Twitter analysts say Biden is outperforming Clinton’s 2016 margins in the more populous counties and should comfortably win Pennsylvania once all votes are counted. That should occur by Saturday AEDT.
1:30pm Biden’s lead in Arizona narrows to under three points with 86% in. While early mail there was very good for Biden, late mail is good for Trump.
12:45pm Trump’s lead in Georgia down to just 0.8% with 95% reporting. Late votes are very pro-Biden there.
12:27pm Trump’s lead in Pennsylvania now down to three points with 88% in.
11:05am Trump’s lead in Pennsylvania has fallen to four points with 86% in. Nate Cohn says Biden is likely to win by about two points when all votes are tallied.
9:08am Michigan CALLED for Biden, taking him to 253 Electoral Votes. He’s likely to win Pennsylvania when all mail is counted, and win the election with at least 273 EVs.
6:28am The NYT has just CALLED Wisconsin for Biden; that’s his first state gain from 2016. Trump won Maine’s 2nd district, so it’s now 237 Biden, 214 Trump. Michigan is very likely to give Biden 253 Electoral Votes.
6:25am In the House, Dems lead by 199-185 with 51 races uncalled. Reps have made a net five seat gain, so the Dem majority will be reduced to about 230 seats out of 435.
6:22am Republicans lead in the Senate by 48-47 with five races uncalled. Reps won Maine and Dems Arizona. Two Georgia races are probably headed to runoffs. Dems are likely to win Michigan and Reps North Carolina.
6:15am Thursday With more than 98% counted in Wisconsin, Biden has a 49.4-48.8 lead, and will almost certainly win. He has a 49.6-48.7 lead in Michigan with 94% counted, and should win. Trump still leads by 8 in Pennsylvania with 80% in, but the remaining votes are very pro-Biden. Winning Wisconsin and Michigan would get Biden to 253 Electoral Votes
11:08pm And that’s going to be my last update for today.
11:06pm Nate Cohn says there are more than enough mail ballots outstanding in Pennsylvania for Biden to easily overhaul Trump.
10:30pm That last rural Nevada county is in. Trump only got a 1500 vote margin despite winning almost 80% of the vote there – low population. Biden’s statewide Nevada lead is down to 0.6% or 7,600 votes.
9:32pm The Biden Nevada lead is now just 0.8%, or 9,300 votes. One rural county is yet to report; that county gave Trump a 1400 vote margin in 2016.
9:25pm Biden’s lead in Nevada is down to 1% with 85% in. However, I believe they’ve virtually finished with in-person election day votes, and the rest should be mail that will likely boost Biden.
9:05pm Mail in Michigan should be counted by tomorrow, while Pennsylvania will take until Saturday AEDT.
9:00pm I had a break from this. Biden has taken the lead in Wisconsin by 49.3-49.0 with 89% in. It’s likely that remaining mail ballots there will be good for him.
7:20pm The NYT calls Maine for Biden. He leads by 227-213.
7:15pm I’ve just published an article for The Conversation about these results. Democrats only appear likely to gain a net one Senate seat, so Republicans would still have a 52-48 majority. That would be a very disappointing outcome for Democrats.
7:08pm The AP has confirmed Fox News’ call for Biden in Arizona.
5:50pm Biden leads by 5 in Nevada with 74% in, probably enough. He leads by 6 in Arizona with 80% in.
5:15pm The NYT calls Minnesota for Biden; that takes him to 223 Electoral Votes.
4:17pm And the NYT Needle now gives Biden a 0.4% lead in Georgia with 79% in.
4:15pm Biden leads in Nebraska’s second district by ten points with 85% in. If he wins that plus Arizona, Wisconsin and Michigan, he has 270 Electoral Votes.
4:05pm Georgia is looking better for Biden. The NYT Needle has it at just Trump +1 with 78% counted. North Carolina isn’t over yet as mail ballots can arrive after election day. The needle is at Trump +1.2.
3:50pm The Iowa Selzer poll that had Trump winning by seven is likely to be on target again. He leads there by 4.5% with plenty of election day votes to come.
3:37pm Fox News has CALLED Arizona for Biden and the Dem Senate candidate.
3:15pm The Senate so far has the Reps gaining Alabama, while the Dems gain Colorado. The Reps have held SC and are likely to hold NC. One Georgia race is headed for a runoff, and the other could go that way too.
3:10pm And the NYT has called NH for Biden, which gets him 209 EVs.
3:05pm California, Washington and Oregon are called for Biden. That gives him a 205-112 lead in called races. But Trump is going to win Florida, Texas, Ohio and very probably North Carolina and Georgia.
2:35pm Two US networks have CALLED New Hampshire for Biden. He was expected to win there, but that’s his first real good news of the night.
2:17pm Trump now leading in Ohio by four points with 72% in. And in NC, he’s taken the lead by 0.4% with 88% in.
2:10pm Biden has an 11-point lead in Arizona’s early vote, which is an estimated 69% of all Arizona votes.
2:00 pm It’s looking bleak for Biden in the south and southwest as election day votes erode his early vote leads. It’s the same in Ohio. So Biden is probably going to need Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Those states count mail later.
1:42pm Biden leads by two in Ohio with 62% in, but the election day vote is likely to win it for Trump.
1:34pm Trump has just taken the lead by 0.1% in Texas with 73% in. Biden has been weak with Hispanics, like in Florida.
1:30pm Trump keeps gaining in NC as the election day vote is counted. He’s now less than two points behind, and the NYT needle is giving him a 92% chance to win.
1:20pm The NYT Needle has Trump winning NC by 1.4% with 72% reporting, and Georgia by 4%. Nate Cohn says completed towns in New Hampshire are showing a 6% margin shift to Biden.
12:40pm The NYT needle has Trump winning Georgia by 4 points and North Carolina by 0.9. Biden currently leads in NC by 7 points with 66% in, but most of that is early vote. And no surprise that Arkansas was called quickly for Trump.
12:15pm Biden leads in Texas by 13.5 points with 26% in. Remember this would be early votes.
12:12pm Democrats would dearly love to knock off current Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell in Kentucky. But Kentucky is too right wing; McConnell currently leads by 25 points.
12:09pm Biden leads in Ohio by 18 points with 31% in. However, that’s mostly early vote from the big population centres, and Trump will improve.
12:05pm Massachusetts, Connecticut Delaware, New Jersey, Maryland and Illinois called for Biden, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Alabama and Mississippi for Trump. Biden has an 85 to 55 Electoral College lead over Trump. These states were all easy calls.
12 noon South Carolina called for Trump
11:43am Virginia has been called for Biden, West Virginia for Trump. The NYT Needle gives Trump a 94% chance to win Florida – game over there.
11:30am The NYT needle has Trump winning Florida by 3.5 points, owing to a dreadfully weak performance by Dems in Miami-Dade county. At least the problems with Cuban Americans are unlikely to affect other states.
11:20am Biden leads in Florida by 51-48 with an estimated 31% in. Don’t think that’s good enough given election day votes and the Panhandle.
11:10am The New York Times has called Kentucky for Trump and Vermont for Biden.
10:47am Owing to a massive early vote margin in Lexington, Biden has a current two-point lead in Kentucky. It’s not likely to last, though.
10:05am The partisan split in Broward keeps widening in Democrats’ favour.
9:22am Republicans voted heavily in the morning, but their gains have slowed down dramatically. This tweet thread from Nate Silver shows how the Dem-Rep-Oth composition of Broward county, Florida has changed during the day. Broward is a very strong Democratic county, but it’s the trend that counts. This does not include votes cast before election day.
Guest post by Adrian Beaumont, who joins us from time to time to provide commentary on elections internationally. Adrian is an honorary associate at the University of Melbourne. His work on electoral matters for The Conversation can be found here, and his own website is here.
The final FiveThirtyEight national poll aggregate gives Joe Biden an 8.4% lead over Donald Trump (51.8% to 43.4%). In the key states, Biden leads by 8.4% in Wisconsin, 7.9% in Michigan, 4.7% in Pennsylvania, 2.6% in Arizona and 2.5% in Florida.
The worry for Biden is that Pennsylvania, the “tipping-point” state, is almost four points more favourable for Trump than the national aggregate. As a result, the final FiveThirtyEight forecast gives Trump a 10% chance to win the Electoral College, but a mere 3% chance to win the popular vote.
For the Senate, the FiveThirtyEight Classic forecast gives Democrats a 78% win probability, with the most likely outcome a 52-48 Democratic Senate. Democrats have an 80% chance of holding between 48 and 56 seats after the election.
Poll closing times
All times given here are today Australian Eastern Daylight Time. Polls have suggested the early vote will be strongly pro-Biden, but the election day vote will be strongly pro-Trump. Early leads in a given state are likely to depend on whether that state counts election day or early votes first. Poll closing times are from The Green Papers.
Some states span two time zones, with voting finishing an hour later in the trailing zone. US media will not call states until all polls in that state are closed. The most important early state is Florida: if Biden wins, he’s almost assured of victory, but a Trump win means we could be waiting for mail votes from Pennsylvania and Michigan, possibly for days.
10am. The first polls close in the eastern time zones of Indiana and Kentucky, both expected to be easy Trump wins.
11am. Polls close in Georgia and most of Florida. In Florida, early votes will be released soon after polls close and election day votes are counted relatively quickly. Here’s the catch: polls in most of Florida close at 11am, but there’s a very right-wing part called the Panhandle. The Panhandle is in a different time zone, and closes one hour after the rest of Florida. In 2016 and 2018, the Panhandle caused agony for hopeful Democrats.
11:30am. Polls close in North Carolina and Ohia. I believe early votes will be counted first in both states.
12 noon. Polls close in Pennsylvania and most of Michigan and Texas (small parts of Michigan and Texas close at 1pm). I believe election day votes will be counted first in Pensylvania and Michigan, while early votes are counted first in Texas.
1pm. Polls close in Wisconsin and Arizona. In Arizona, a large share of the overall vote will be mail, and that should be out for most of Arizona within an hour of polls closing. Mail received after election day can be accepted.
2pm. Polls close in Iowa, where I believe early votes will be counted quickly.
3pm. Polls close in California, Oregon and Washington. These are all Democratic strongholds that should be called immediately for Biden. If he’s already gained enough Trump 2016 states, this could be when he is declared president-elect.
5pm. The final polls close in Alaska’s western time zone.
Simon Katich thanks.
My late wife had family in Adelaide. I haven’t been there for a while so I’ll add that to the must dos for Adelaide.
We plague people can come there now i think.
C@T
Nothing wrong with hard copy papers.
GG & phoenixRED
Thanks but in typical Trump style i read he reckoned it was too far away but the fact he never made any deals afterwards is telling about the guy’s attitude.
Fascinating from one of Trump’s friends. Are they trying to garner pity for the man?
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/11/donald-trump-presidency-election-week.html
Aqualung @ #3950 Sunday, November 8th, 2020 – 2:59 pm
Be quick before we change our minds.
The Wheaty isnt one of those fancy pubs. It is relaxed, old couches, rough timber floors, a well used darts board and when there is cricket on, the ladies who run it will put a tiny old tube TV on the bar for peeps to crowd around.
They also have a killer whisky list and a good selection of local reds and now brew their own beers too.
German cartoons on the US election. Most are self explanatory. A bit of rusty German should suffice for the rest.
https://www.dw.com/de/so-kommentieren-karikaturisten-das-us-wahlergebnis/g-55520762
I presume people on this board are aware of the difference between being called by the media as “president elect”, and legally being the president elect – right?
It will be quite some time before statements that Biden IS the president elect will be true in a legal sense, and a lot must happen successfully for that to be so.
Sounds good. Whilst I probably don’t miss the grunginess of some of Sydney’s old pubs, I do think some of the renovations done have destroyed what made those old pubs so attractive to go to in the first place. Some of them are downright sterile.
The old Caringbah Inn had a beer garden.
What passes for the outside area now is pathetic and unappealing.
Confessionssays: Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 3:35 pm
Fascinating from one of Trump’s friends. Are they trying to garner pity for the man?
This person, who speaks to the president often — or, more accurately, who listens and says uh-huh as the president speaks — said that Trump is not just done for, but done. “He wants to lose. He’s out of money. He worries about being arrested. He worried about being assassinated,” they said. “It hasn’t been a great experience for him. He likes showing people around the White House, but the actual day-to-day business of being president? It’s been pretty unpleasant for him.”
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Confessions – Trump could have continued a life of sloth and debauchery to his hearts content and none of us would have known or cared about it – BUT – he chose to run for presidency ……
As Steve Schmidt said earlier – he is probably now going to spend the rest of his days pursued by legal issues over his questionable money transactions …..and quite possible jail time for him and possible members of his family. Its common knowledge that NY AG Letitia James is just waiting in the wings for him to be out of office so she can slap him/them with many state wide legal issues for which he can’t pardon for
Political Nightwatchman says Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 3:07 pm
It’s still out there. It’s just that the pandemic has highlighted the incompetency of the politicians exploiting these people.
Johnson has been incompetent in every job he’s had. Yet, his boosters in the media get him promoted.
C@T
Nothing wrong with hard copy papers.
As long as it’s not The Herald Sun, MB. 😀
C@tmomma says Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 3:13 pm
Or to call someone and complain how badly done by he is.
At this point my interest in Trump is two fold. First and mainly, what damage can he still do in his remaining time? (I’m hoping that the general incompetence in the WH will shield us from directed maliciousness.) But second and guiltily, I’m looking forward to little bursts of schadenfreude. (Trump operates viscerally. He’s earned them.)
Late Riser @ #3961 Sunday, November 8th, 2020 – 4:00 pm
I’m looking forward to the DoJ and FBI not being held back.
Thanks to William and Adam for the great work and thanks to all posters for their insights and analysis.
I am no expert on US politics so have not commented on the campaign or as the votes were counted. I have simply sat back and observed it all unfold.
One thing that does interest me is the view being put forward by a number of commentators that certain states and the overall election was “ turned around “ by mail in votes.
Could it not also be opinioned that the results in certain states were never “ turned around “ but were in fact always going to result in a Biden win. It was simply the order in which the ballots were counted ? Perhaps if the mail in votes had been counted first the whole narrative would have been completely different.
Just a observation. Nothing more. The same result either way. A comfortable Biden win but perhaps a different narrative if the vote counting had been in a different order.
Cheers.
C@T
LOL forgot about them.
I’ve seen exactly that said. And then depending on your preferred narrative this was deliberate or accidental.
Statement by the Prime Minister of Canada on the result of the U.S. presidential election
November 7, 2020
Ottawa, Ontario
The Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, today issued the following statement on the result of the U.S. presidential election:
“On behalf of the Government of Canada, I congratulate Joe Biden and Kamala Harris on their election as the next President and Vice President of the United States of America.
“Canada and the United States enjoy an extraordinary relationship – one that is unique on the world stage. Our shared geography, common interests, deep personal connections, and strong economic ties make us close friends, partners, and allies. We will further build on this foundation as we continue to keep our people safe and healthy from the impacts of the global COVID-19 pandemic, and work to advance peace and inclusion, economic prosperity, and climate action around the world.
“I look forward to working with President-elect Biden, Vice President-elect Harris, their administration, and the United States Congress as we tackle the world’s greatest challenges together.”
Mrs Betty Bowers has “breaking” news
https://youtu.be/4aHyIn4RXTk
Pucovski another hundred
Fessy
I’m not surprised by that because Trump has never looked comfortable in the role and he never grew into it. The guy clearly doesn’t suit being in a team and while being President might sound like you are the boss but you still need to be a team player.
doyley
Exactly.
Not half as exciting though :P.
He doesn’t play for NSW does he Shellbell?
Rumoured only …… CNN is reporting on air tonight that Jared Kushner has begun trying to convince Trump to go ahead and concede.
phoenixRED @ #3972 Sunday, November 8th, 2020 – 3:43 pm
Like sands through the hour glass….
Enough of their sad little lives. Real people are back in charge.
Some people finding excuses/reasons for Trump failing are interesting.
The most ingenuous are those who claim “He never really wanted to be President” or “Look, he was a businessman not a politician and people just did not understand that……………” or wtte…..
All I saw was a totally corrupt individual given the keys to the mansion and the vault.
Incidentally, giving Albo a serve because he did not get the pronunciation of the VP-elect’s name is a bit quirky in that many I have heard – even in the US – do not get it “right”.
And anyhow, Trump could not even get a bog-standard name like “Turnbull” right back in the day…………………
Aqualung
Chance for the Victorians to double the number of test quality players output in the last decade
This is encouraging if this will be Trump’s focus during his lame duck days.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/07/donald-trump-refuses-to-concede-defeat-as-recriminations-begin
It gives Trump something to do that’s relatively harmless. Now, who else can do mischief? Where’s Pence?
Tricot
I’m not making excuses but think he failed in the job because he was completely unsuitable for it and too peg headed to get help. The businessman excuse makes it worst for him because you cant successfully run a business carrying on like Trump has.
I guess it’s Victoria’s turn now Shellbell.
Tassie passes the Blue’s pathetic 64 at least 5 overs quicker and have 8 wickets in hand. 2/80.
Probably should declare. Could be over today.
Democrats won running as Democrats. An old Northeast Irish Catholic liberal and a younger (for the role she’s in) black woman West Coast progressive ran as typical Democrats with a not unusual Democratic platform and won. They didn’t need to run as socialists to win over this totally ready for socialism silent majority that allegedly exists. They didn’t need to run as hard centrists to appeal to rural white people in Iowa. They just ran as typical, liberal Democrats and won.
There is much egg on the face of many so-called politics-knowers who popped up in the last four-five years, overreacted to 2016 and then began giving advice nobody asked for – very wrong advice.
MB..I was not responding specifically to your comments as the comments I have heard (defensive) have been spouted by others – eg in our local rag, The West – as some kind of insight into why/what Trump is/does…..as a rejoinder to those who bag him………………….In actual fact, he has been highly successful in hijacking the political agenda in the US for five years or so and his impact is going to live on among so many of the 70 million who voted for him in the US and a considerable band of admirers he seems to have right here in the Land of Oz………
10 news showing the celebrations in the US. Guy walks by with a sign
“Pack your shit”
😃
The Mail In Ballots were not counted early mainly in states which had Republican legislatures that made it that way, in order to support Trump’s narrative that the election was being stolen from him.
In fact Joe Biden would be the USA’s second Catholic President, the first being John F Kennedy, surprising when you consider that 20% of the population professes affiliation to the Catholic Church (a bit less than Australia’s 23%).
Murdoch doesn’t do niceties!
GG
That’s worth a small Wow!
CNN has this useful timeline of critical dates and what needs to happen up until Inauguration Day on 20 January.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/18/politics/electoral-college-timeline-2020-election/index.html
Well, historically, that was because of heavy anti-Catholic sentiment among conservative protestants, in particular in the south. But that bigotry has pretty much evaporated. Nowadays, it’s more happenstance than anything else. Biden’s catholicism was not controversial at all and wasn’t an issue in the primaries or the general (just like it wasn’t with Kerry either.)
Back when Kennedy was running (and certainly before then, when Al Smith was running) it was an actually an issue. But not now.
Steve777 @ #3984 Sunday, November 8th, 2020 – 4:43 pm
Before Ginsberg died there were 3 Jewish, 5 Catholics and 1 raised Catholic now Episcopal on the SCOTUS.
Trump wants to milk his supporters of donations to fight his vote rigging challenge. I’d be surprised if he concedes at this time when the money probably hasn’t started flowing in. A large amount of every dollar will go into his own pocket and conceding will cause that little scam to dry up way too quickly.
Of course if the money flow is a trickle and not a torrent then he just might pull the plug on the whole show.
If you read the Twitter posts of Trump supporters they are still in denial and most are very angry. They are convinced the Dems only won due to fraud and that the result will be overturned in court. They are savagely attacking any world leaders who are congratulating Biden. They are particularly angry at Benjamin Netanyahu who they see as a traitor because Trump moved the Embassy to Jerusalem.
Also it seems Joe Hockey has pissed off Team Biden as conspiracy theorists are quoting the Australian Ambassador as proof that there is fraud. Hockey should have kept his mouth shut. Looks like the Australian government has pissed off both of our major trading partners: USA and China.
Rational Leftist @ #3980 Sunday, November 8th, 2020 – 5:24 pm
You just can’t be an atheist.
That’s true. Even in progressive circles, it’s political poison.
Isn’t the New York Post that city’s Daily Rupert? Rupert must have withdrawn his Mandate at the last minute.
So far at least the gun-filled USA hasn’t gone nuts over the result. That’s good. Perhaps it is as simple as bullies preferring intimidation to retaliation. Biden’s speech today “governing as an American” should help. Perhaps it’s hard to know who you’re supposed to shoot. Though Trump could “clarify” that with a tweet. But apart from all that, the undercurrent of anger and dismay will linger and become bitter, especially if it is reinforced by careless rhetoric. So rather than wide spread rioting I’m now worried for individual election officials, who will be doxed and threatened, maybe worse. Especially in the states Trump is about to attack with his lawyers. I hope those states are ready to defend them.
CNN has a cheeky article trying to discern whether Murdoch has now dumped Trump or not. Obviously the NY Post has (GG’s image above) but Fox News opinion types are still carrying on as before.
In the longer term Murdoch media will presumably try to pretend that Trump never existed.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/07/business/fox-news-rupert-murdoch-trump/index.html
Hockey hasn’t been US ambassador since February.
Simon Katich @ #3989 Sunday, November 8th, 2020 – 4:25 pm
Oh for the day when enough Americans are mature enough to elect someone who doesn’t profess (whether true or not) to being a god botherer.
Multiple White House staffers test positive for coronavirus. Nice swan song!
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/524928-multiple-white-house-staffers-test-positive-for-coronavirus