A new thread is wanted, but for all that’s happening in the world right now, there is not a lot of Australian electoral news for me to hang one on right now – there are no polls this week, and there is nothing to report on the preselection front. However:
• Following former newsreader Jo Palmer’s apparent success in gaining the Launceston region state upper house seat of Rosevears (corresponding with the western end of Bass) for the Liberals at Saturday’s elections, The Mercury reports “political watchers in Canberra are now tracking Ms Palmer’s campaign with interest, with some considering how they could lure their likely new star MP to Canberra”. Both of the elections on Saturday appear to have resulted in seats passing from independents to the major parties, with Palmer taking a vacant seat and Labor’s Bastian Seidel unseating Robert Armstrong in Huon at the southern edge of Hobart (part of the federal and state lower house division of Franklin). This would leave the chamber with five Labor members, three Liberals and seven independents – the first time in its history that the chamber has not had an independent majority.
• I have had too little to say about the Northern Territory election, which will be held in three Saturdays’ time. This will come to an end when I publish my comprehensive guide to the election, which I will hopefully do later today.
Firefox @ #195 Wednesday, August 5th, 2020 – 10:05 am
See ignorance!
Assantdj
This morning Dan Tehan repeated many times “When we come to the end of this pandemic”, as if it’s a weather event.
C@tmomma says:
Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 12:09 pm
Lars Von Trier @ #147 Wednesday, August 5th, 2020 – 11:05 am
I thought we were having good conversations c@t. I don’t know where control comes into it.
You’ve still got your views – and I have mine.
What more is there to say?
Exactly. So, don’t boast to nath about having me under control! Simple.
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Did I do that? I don’t recall it but I am sorry if I did.
The other overall feeling I get is the government at a federal level is not being proactive about setting the parameters for us to live with the virus but is hoping, maybe praying that something will rescue us from the problem.
Very good point, assantdj. Though, not only that but the fact that Scott Morrison likes to look like he is riding to the rescue when a situation gets out of control, as opposed to seeming like a staid middle manager who effectively deals with problems before they become really big problems. Which is the approach of the Labor Party in general. It doesn’t tickle people’s fancy as much and the term ‘workmanlike’ comes to mind. Whereas ‘Reality TV’ comes to mind when I think about Scott Morrison. Politics as Performance Art.
C@tmomma says:
Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 12:08 pm
Lars Von Trier @ #194 Wednesday, August 5th, 2020 – 12:07 pm
C@t its politics – someone has to pay.
Okay, so who in the federal government should pay for the Aged care debacle? It’s their line of responsibility, after all. How about the Border stuff-ups with the Ruby Princess? It’s politics, someone has to pay!
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Surely but its the politics who dictates who pays and who doesn’t have to pay.
Victorian ministerial resignations is the blood sacrifice demanded in atonement here.
F S
The frequent repetition of “We are one”, etc is possibly the most ironic song possible when Morrison and his mates are in charge.
Lars Von Trier @ #205 Wednesday, August 5th, 2020 – 12:15 pm
But why absolve federal government of blame in matters they have direct control of? Or should.
Lars Von Trier @ #203 Wednesday, August 5th, 2020 – 12:13 pm
Apology accepted. 🙂
“See ignorance!”
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Oh, so you were just jumping to conclusions and making insinuations based on nothing but your own prejudices. Got ya. Thanks for clearing that up. 🙂
Bucephalus
Yes hard to do but it happens.
2NH4NO3 → 2N2 + O2 + 4H2O
Bernie Finn and Tim Smith are the front line of the Vic Libs.
Lizzie
I very rarely listen to Pat Karvelas program.
I usually just see her tweets. Does she have a personal health issue in her family or something of that nature. Cos her tweets over the past month have been frickin annoying.
lizzie @ #205 Wednesday, August 5th, 2020 – 12:15 pm
That reminds me of Scott Morrison putting his arm around Malcolm Turnbull and saying, “He’s my Prime Minister” whilst he had unsheathed the shiv behind his back.
Rex Douglas
The fibs here in Victoria are beneath contempt.
And part of why many Victorians have behaved badly making this pandemic political in nature.
Vic,
I Tweeted to Pat Karvelas to get a grip. Especially about the school thing and the VCE. Maybe she has a kid doing the VCE this year? It can be a very tense time for parents.
And the fact that only some libs are furious tells you everything you need to know
Its despicable.
Victoria
Karvelas has a problem with home schooling because she and her partner have two young children. She has grumbled continually about the impossibility of working from home. She also seems to be one of those “must run every day” people.
Firefox @ #210 Wednesday, August 5th, 2020 – 10:17 am
Well I asked some basic questions to which you responded with a question mark, so what else am I to assume?
C@tmomma
One of the most valuable pieces of advice I had during my career was that no matter how busy you think you are, you have to put time in each week to forward plan for the next month and the next year.
At a government level this doesn’t happen because of the short electoral terms, but we have had a one in a hundred year event. Wouldn’t it be nice if a plan was developed at federal level to address all the issue this has caused and a bipartisan plan was developed for moving forward over the next decade.
What I think will happen is the same tired privatisation by stealth plan will be reenacted by Morrison and we will go further backwards until we either get a new government or the quiet Australians find some way to stage a revolution.
C@t
Unless PKarvelas has someone in her sphere with a terminal illness, her tweets are very unhelpful.
She is a public figure and she ought to be supportive at the moment.
Not tweeting how hard this pandemic is here in Melbourne.
It is a world wide problem. Surely she is aware.
You don’t love me C@t? I’m hurt.
When Scrott says “We are one” it is the ‘royal we’ .
Vic,
The same Bernie Finn who cried a river in Parliament for a “pair” with Labor at Easter two years ago proclaiming his Catholicism and need to be with his family at an important time and then snuck in to Parliament in the dead of night to break that pair and vote down Government Legislation that was being debated.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-02/victorian-liberals-condemned-by-labor-over-pairing-betrayal/9610358
Lizzie
If that is her problem, she needs to get over herself. She can give her job to someone else who currently doesnt have one.
This makes more sense:
“Talk of fireworks is ridiculous,” said Ibrahim. “There are no fireworks but rather highly explosive material, and I can’t foretell the investigations … it seems the explosion happened in a warehouse of highly explosive material that was confiscated years ago.”
Mining and agriculture are the large users of ammonium nitrate. Why would you need 2000 tones of it?
GG
Yes I do recall. I continue to have a gutful of their disgusting conduct.
Poor Karvelas, so many first world problems to deal with.
I will continue to qualify my views about PKarvelas. If there is something serious happening behind the scenes regarding the well being of loved ones, fair enough.
But if her whinging is first world stuff, I say get over it.
Victoria and C@t
As I am an old-fashioned kind of mother, I never saw the need to give constant attention to my children. When I was studying, they simply knew to keep quiet and out of my way for a while.
VIC,
The important thing is that being sly and sneaky did them no good at the polls in 2018.
I’m sure being an obnoxious toad will have the same effect in due course.
“Well I asked some basic questions to which you responded with a question mark, so what else am I to assume?”
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No, you made the statement…
“And I thought you commented from knowledge and not ignorance.”
…after I had simply commented on today’s numbers from Victoria and had said they showed no signs of letting up. I said absolutely nothing about the latest lockdowns or when the effects of them would be seen – you jumped to that conclusion all on your own and decided to have a go at me.
Lizzie
Young children today are very accustomed to unbridled attention from their parents. That is how it rolls now.
Lol!
GG
I’m convinced that the fibs think they are onto a winning strategy. Otherwise they wouldnt be shamelessly continuing to behave in this fashion together with the help of the Sky news and Murdoch press crowd.
Although having said that, the Age and smh havent been too helpful either of late.
We are currently in the midst of a 100 year event, described by some as unprecedented.
We have had bushfires this year that were unprecedented in the timing, the size the ferocity.
I don’t remember hearing that the drought was unprecedented but it is surely one of the most severe.
With all this going on does anyone else think that a government investing in crisis management and building a surge capacity into all government programs is unwarranted, or uneconomical.
I fear that we have entered a new normal, that the high worldwide population combined with the effects of climate change have heralded a new era. If true we need government to be thinking and acting on a more sustainable plan for the future than the current reactionary model we currently have.
frednk says:
Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 12:26 pm
This makes more sense:
“Talk of fireworks is ridiculous,” said Ibrahim. “There are no fireworks but rather highly explosive material, and I can’t foretell the investigations … it seems the explosion happened in a warehouse of highly explosive material that was confiscated years ago.”
“Mining and agriculture are the large users of ammonium nitrate. Why would you need 2000 tones of it?“
They didn’t need it – it was off a ship that was abandoned in the port a number of years ago.
Assantdj
My observations is that people are not coping with the reality of a covid normal existence at present.
They want everything back to normal and the virus to disappear.
Of course, that is what we all want. But wishing something to be so, doesnt make it so.
Anyhoo, people should be seriously taking notice of the geopolitical games being played at the moment. They could be very consequential if not managed properly.
Melissa Davey
@MelissaLDavey
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15 Victorian Covid-19 deaths overnight. Devastating. A man in his 30s among them.
🙁
lizzie says:
Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 12:30 pm
“I never saw the need to give constant attention to my children. When I was studying, they simply knew to keep quiet and out of my way for a while.”
Yep. We were sent outside and told not to come inside until the street lights turned on.
nath @ #222 Wednesday, August 5th, 2020 – 12:24 pm
You see, it’s like this…
https://youtu.be/WY66elCQkYk
Firefox @ #233 Wednesday, August 5th, 2020 – 10:32 am
Sorry for adding context to your selective comment.
Crew kept hostages on a floating bomb – m/v Rhosus, Beirut
https://www.fleetmon.com/maritime-news/2014/4194/crew-kept-hostages-floating-bomb-mv-rhosus-beirut/
OTOH I never sat them down in front of a TV and left them. I watched with them so that I could explain things and they went to bed before adult programs came on at night. What a disciplinarian I was. 😉
I know I’ve mentioned this before. But remember this person used to post on this blog and was very passionate about refugees.
What has happened? Seriously f@@ked up.
https://mobile.twitter.com/marilynshephe15?lang=en
I overheard part of the P Karvelas show yesterday.
The point that was being made had some merit. If a woman is working from home, with young children or even older children that have to be home schooled, how do you do your paid job. Anecdotely what is happening is that very little is accomplished during the day and then the work is attended late into the night. It is another part of the general consensus that this pandemic is affecting women more than men.
Does ar try to obscure my bludging? I didn’t know and don’t care. They can do whatever they most like. For mine, I barely read most of the posts here. This says more about the scarcity of the hours than anything else.
I play around with the nom. It doesn’t matter. Bludging isn’t puppetry. It’s just light and dark – ephemera all told. Who cares? My pic has not changed. Nor will it. Great painting – one of the very best.
C@tmomma says:
Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 12:16 pm
Lars Von Trier @ #205 Wednesday, August 5th, 2020 – 12:15 pm
C@tmomma says:
Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 12:08 pm
Lars Von Trier @ #194 Wednesday, August 5th, 2020 – 12:07 pm
C@t its politics – someone has to pay.
Okay, so who in the federal government should pay for the Aged care debacle? It’s their line of responsibility, after all. How about the Border stuff-ups with the Ruby Princess? It’s politics, someone has to pay!
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Surely but its the politics who dictates who pays and who doesn’t have to pay.
Victorian ministerial resignations is the blood sacrifice demanded in atonement here.
But why absolve federal government of blame in matters they have direct control of? Or should.
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Well if a majority of people believe it – then the federal government will need to make a blood sacrifice too! At the Moment politics does not require one.
Whatever happened to the vast quantities of the anti-malaria drug purchased by Greg Hunt to cure Covid, as trumpeted by Trump?
Tests were being conducted on it, and since then nothing more has been said about it that I’ve seen.
Assuming its failure, ( knowing the snake oil salesman promoting it), is Hunt furiously chasing a refund of the millions of taxpayer dollars thrown away, or is he at least donating it to some malaria ravaged third world country as foreign aid?
Victoria @ #244 Wednesday, August 5th, 2020 – 12:42 pm
Some people just go off the deep end.
Time to go shopping.