The usual weekly Essential Research coronavirus poll finds “only a quarter” of respondents now consider it too soon to be easing coronavirus restrictions, down from a peak of 49% in mid-April. There was also strong support for a range of fresh restrictions being imposed if there is a new surge of cases, but not for making the coronavirus app compulsory, which only 38% supported. Only 45% were confident the government would be able to adequately protect data from the app, and 44% were confident the government itself would not misuse it. Kristina Keneally’s call for a reduction in temporary migration after the pandemic had the support of 67% of respondents. All this detail is derived from The Guardian, which also tells us that the number of respondents who are “quite concerned” about the virus is up three points since last week to 49%, but without the “very concerned” figure it’s hard to know what if anything to make of that. The full report from the pollster should be published later today.
UPDATE: Full report here. The government reaches new heights on the eighth weekly iteration of the question as to how well it is handling the crisis, with good up five points to 71% and poor down one to 13%. The goodwill extends to state governments, who are collectively up three on good to 73% and steady on poor at 12%. The poll was conducted Thursday to Sunday from a sample of 1067.
Re BB @ 10:51. (like button)
Been listening to Prof. Shapiro’s lectures, up to number 7. In six he was talking about the unraveling of the post war consensus, basically the failure of the left.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Ng0N26MGk
He talked about the multi party and two party systems.
His thesis, if I understand it is, there is no natural state for wealth distribution. It comes down to political strength. The unions provided an institution that gave political strength below the medium voter.
As union participation has fallen ( because the new industries are harder to organize) left parties have moved to where the center has moved to try and gain power. Moving to the center has exposed their left flank and small parties have moved in to vacuum up these voters.
I don’t think anyone would argue that this is not the mode operandi of the Green party, that their interest in Green issues is now peripheral. We see it here daily.
He draws his examples from England, Germany and the US. I don’t think it is hard to fit his thesis into the Australian frame.
Cud chewer
At the building sites, it was for everyone who wanted the test even without symptoms
Second wave, “good to go”:
GG
Exactly. Thank goodness Daniel Andrews is an excellent operator
Sounds as if the unemployment figures are open to spin because they are indeed very complicated.
Cud Chewer
The daily briefing.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12331891
frednk @ #1352 Thursday, May 14th, 2020 – 11:38 am
So your thesis is that the failure of the left has not been caused by the left vacating the left, but by those who have been trying to fill the void left by the left?
Sure. That makes perfect sense. Not.
P1
A value is put on a life in any risk analysis that concludes the risk of death is higher than zero and the project continuous.
There is a risk in driving a car, in electricity ( the area where I do my risk analysis), flying etc.
Then there is the personal risk ( and it is well established that we will tolerate higher personal risk than social risk), smoking, hang gliding etc.
It was easy going in, we were not prepared, the cost was clearly higher than closing the economy down.
Coming out, I think it would be easier to justify the decisions if there was some honesty.
The Victorian Liberals name calling adds nothing.
What complicates this risk analysis is the no risk option ( no cases) with no certainty of getting their.
Angelo Gavrielatos
@AGavrielatos
Oh, look! Even more money exclusively for private schools because we’re all in this together.
lizzie @ #1318 Thursday, May 14th, 2020 – 11:07 am
Duly noted.
Duly noted. 🙂
Player One says:
Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 11:49 am
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So your thesis is that the failure of the left has not been caused by the left vacating the left, but by those who have been trying to fill the void left by the left?
Close but now quite, my thesis is the Greens have weakened the left, and they should be held in contempt for what they have done.
Lizzie
Part of the rationale for jobkeeper was to keep people off unemployment that is why it is being treated as taxable income because it is a wage subsidy so flows into a company’s payroll then to employees.
Scott Morrison press conference to provide Covid-19 update as unemployment rate increases to 6.2% – latest…
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/may/14/australia-coronavirus-live-updates-nsw-victoria-qld-lockdown-politics-latest-news-update
The magic wand of rubbery figures is really getting a work out. Triple that figure and you be getting closer to reality and not the fantasy land numbers of the LNP.
C@tmomma @ #1228 Thursday, May 14th, 2020 – 7:35 am
I’m frankly getting tired of people who see it as their only mission in life to nitpick at Labor. Cowards in the castle.
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I absolutely agree. The anti-Labor people should get their own blog. C@t has worked very hard to build this up as a blog for Labor people mainly. It’s a shame others don’t respect that.
So Richo pushed as much of the left out of the ALP as he could and cheered when they went. That is hardly their fault.
I think the greens massively overplayed (and badly played) their hand on the CPRS for political purposes and between them Rudd and Turnbull wasted the real opportunity and handed victory to Abbott.
I also think the greens are a little too caught up in their history, they behave like a protest party, when they should be trying to build a broad green new deal coalition, I think they could take nearly half of the ALP vote if they concentrated and used all of the very little bandwidth Murdoch and the absolutely useless right wing Australian press (I include the guardian in this) on what we should do, rather than what we need to stop. Also 700 million pages of perfect policy is no good if noone reads it.
Mexicanbeemer
I’m not criticising, just noting that the stats are not easy to understand.
Aaaaargh!
Now Morrison is dong a weepy fight them on the beaches sermon.
frednk @ #1359 Thursday, May 14th, 2020 – 11:51 am
This is not even a remotely comparable case. In such a case (a) there is a well-defined reward to be obtained as a consequence of the risk, and everyone who participates in the risk also participates in the reward (albeit perhaps not equally); and (b) everyone involved has control over their own degree of risk. If they find the risk unacceptable, they can choose not to participate.
In the case of Coronavirus, the reward is not being shared by those of us actually facing the risk, and we are being given no choice in the matter.
At least 50,000 Australians have emptied their superannuation accounts since April, and more are expected to do the same.
Out-of-work Australians can apply to withdraw $10,000 from their super now and a further $10,000 from July under an emergency government scheme.
More than 1 million people have applied so far, Industry Super Australia told an economics committee this morning. About 5 per cent of those applications have reduced account balances to zero.
Michael @ #1363 Thursday, May 14th, 2020 – 11:59 am
Get a room you two.
Form your own little club; the Labor In Opposition Forever Club.
Membership by invitation only.
Winners need not apply.
lizzie @ #1365 Thursday, May 14th, 2020 – 12:01 pm
The media and the punters will lap it up.
frednk @ #1362 Thursday, May 14th, 2020 – 11:54 am
Sure. And the fact that Labor has abandoned their left roots to the extent that so many left-leaning people now find them unsupportable has not been a contributing factor at all.
Lizzie
Didn’t think you were criticising but agree Morrison is turning on with is sermon.
Michael @ #1365 Thursday, May 14th, 2020 – 11:59 am
The rabid Labor partisans here do more damage to their cause every day than the anti-Labor people could possibly do 🙁
Mexicanbeemer
Now Josh adds his wailing. It’s like one of those 19C funerals where they hire “weepers” to follow the coffin. 🙁
1.6m Australians are now on JobSeeker.
6 million Australians, working for more than 860,000 businesses, are on JobKeeper.
Michael says:
Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 11:59 am
C@tmomma @ #1228 Thursday, May 14th, 2020 – 7:35 am
I’m frankly getting tired of people who see it as their only mission in life to nitpick at Labor. Cowards in the castle.
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I absolutely agree. The anti-Labor people should get their own blog. C@t has worked very hard to build this up as a blog for Labor people mainly. It’s a shame others don’t respect that.
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Poor Michael. I definitely think he should go somewhere where his talents are recognised. Perhaps some place in red state USA where they think Trump is the bee’s knees.
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The rabid Labor partisans here do more damage to their cause every day than the anti-Labor people could possibly do
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Actually, nobody here has much effect on anyone’s ’cause’. People post here either to inform or to get up the arses of other people who post here by telling everyone they are right (or just plain being shitheads).
Those that inform have some effect where post readers take the knowledge into the outside world.
Those whose sole mission is to get up other people’s arses and to be hubristically arrogant do nothing but make other readers (a tiny irrelevant minority in the real world) feel like shit.
To me, this is an opportunity to comment and criticise politics across the board, and unfortunately for LNP supporters, since they have been in government for such a high proportion of the years, they will get criticism. Doesn’t mean we are all blind “partisans”.
Two-thirds of those on Jobkeeper, based on my observations, are unlikely to have a job after September when the program finishes.
We are likely looking at an unemployment rate of 18 – 20%
The biggest names in finance are coming around to a view that seemed unlikely a few weeks ago: Stocks are vastly overvalued- and President Trump is not happy.
Legendary investors Stan Druckenmiller and David Tepper were the latest to weigh in after a historic market rebound, saying the risk-reward of holding shares is the worst they’ve encountered in years. Druckenmiller on Tuesday (US time) called a V-shaped recovery – the idea the economy will quickly snap back as the coronavirus pandemic eases – a “fantasy.” Tepper said on Wednesday that next to 1999, equities are overvalued the most he’s ever seen.
https://www.theage.com.au/business/markets/they-get-you-both-ways-trump-lashes-wall-street-heavyweights-for-sounding-alarm-bells-20200514-p54st8.html
TPOF @ #1379 Thursday, May 14th, 2020 – 12:14 pm
Not so. Every person that has been driven away from this blog by the usual suspects, or is afraid to post here because of the appalling reception they generally receive should they have the gall to post a dissenting opinion, has been influenced. Just not in a good way.
[‘Mr Pusey is facing multiple charges including drug possession, destroying evidence, failing to render assistance and driving at a dangerous speed.’]
While there’s no doubt that Pussey’s behaviour was morally reprehensible, the substantive charges he faces do not per se normally result in having a bail application refused. Magistrate Metcalf refused bail on the ground that he ‘poses an unacceptable risk of committing offences on bail and endangering the safety and welfare of members of the public’, rejecting other grounds put by police, and not taking into account his actions after four police died. I’m not sure of the regime in Victoria, but in Queensland, if your bail application is rejected in the Mags Court, you can apply to the Supreme Court. And on the charges Pussey faces, it would more than likely be granted. This might be unpalatable to many, but it’s not an offence to be devoid morally, though his behaviour would be taken into account at his sentencing hearing.
Ian Verrender reminds us that the unemployment stats are for April, also that they are made lower because of the unprecedented number of people who have simply given up.
Companies that are effectively losing money but still paying big dividends and funding share buybacks to keep the share price high are a real problem. Top management with their retirement funds locked in millions of dollars of their stock aren’t likely to make ethical decisions, not that they ever were, but even worse than usual.
Victoria @11:40
Excellent. Now they need to expand on that 🙂
Don’t the charges include committing offences while on bail?
frednk,
You might be interested in this piece re the failure of Biden’s candidacy and why he lost. Sure it’s in the US context. But it emphahsises that the issues Biden campaigned on weren’t of interest to the mainstream. voters they were trying to attract.
“Sanders’s theory didn’t fail merely because he lost. It failed because of the way he lost: by losing working-class white voters to Biden and being unable to turn out youth voters in big numbers”.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/5/1/21239019/bernie-sanders-electoral-politics-socialism
poroti
zero cases for NZ up on the official page now 🙂
Player One
I’d say that more people have left PB because of boredom rather than fear.
Victoria : ianal but i hear that having discredited the muller investigation, they would proceed to lay charges against senior office holders in the obama admin. from clapper & comey up to ‘sleepy joe’ & the boy. full bore banana republic. today’s development will push it further into the campaign, maybe into next year with appeals. if trump pardons him he can’t plead the 5th & would be subject to congressional subpoena and compelled to answer questions. the only way to keep his 5th amendment right is to be sentenced & for trump to commute the sentence. but that relies on trump being reliable. -a.v
The belief in the V recovery will be an article of faith in Murdoch and the useless Australian media long after it is obvious we are not in a V. In the medium term, given the lack of imagination of our leadership we are more likely to be in an L shaped non-recovery through much of 2021.
If it was destroyed, how do the police know it was evidence?
If the police have it, or retrieved it, then it was not destroyed.
The Vic. DPP is going to have some fun with this, when it reaches his/her desk, I think.
P1
More power to your arm pushing back against the usual.
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Michael,
Aaahh, you’re being sarcastic and mean the opposite.
All WA school students ordered to return to school, marking end to coronavirus absences
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-14/all-wa-students-to-return-to-school-as-coronavirus-absences-end/12245712
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-14/nsw-premier-wants-coronavirus-interstate-travel-ban-scrapped/12245676
Oh dear, Gladys being an idiot..
“NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian said she was “very open” about her stance against border shutdowns in most other Australian states but conceded it was a “matter for them”.
“I’d probably feel offended if they told me how to do my job,” she said.
“[But] I often joke with the Queensland Premier that I’ll end up going to Auckland before I go to Brisbane if we continue the way we are going.””
Well Gladys, guess what? You’re not going to get quarantine free travel to other states unless you get rid of the virus. And if you think NZ is going to allow quarantine free travel whilst you still have the virus in NSW, you’re delusional.
And QLD posts another zero.
Sorry Gladys.. it aint happening.
lizzie @ #1391 Thursday, May 14th, 2020 – 12:28 pm
I’d say the most common cause is being fed up by the boorish behaviour of some posters.