Three things:
• The Victorian parliament has passed contentious legislation to change the process by which boundaries are drawn for local government elections, the effect of which will be an end to proportional representation in many councils and a return to single-member wards. This was passed through the upper house with the support of both major parties, and fairly obviously targets the Greens, whose local government footprint expanded considerably in 2016. The legislation is covered in greater detail by Ben Raue at The Tally Room. Relatedly, The Age reports Labor plans to endorse candidates across metropolitan councils at the elections in October, after doing so in only three councils in 2016. The Liberals in Victoria have never endorsed candidates.
• The closure of nominations for Queensland’s March 28 by-election for Bundamba on Tuesday revealed a field of four candidates representing the Labor, the LNP, the Greens in One Nation, just as there will be in Currumbin on the same day. You can read all about it in my election guides for the two seats, which are linked to on the sidebar.
• For those who have forgotten what a Labor election win looks like, Malcolm Farnsworth has posted four hours of ABC election night coverage from 1983 in two parts, here and here. The broadcast predates results at polling booth level and indicative two-party preference counts, which would have to wait until the 1990s, and without which it was difficult for analysts to read the breeze from partial counts in any but the most homogenous seats.
If they are “the worried well or not so well” they will be given advice and sent home and asked to wait for test results – Advice on self quarantine will depend on the current guideline and risk assessment.
If they are unwell they will be placed in the hospital’s one isolation room until, at this stage of the pandemic, if the virus is confirmed they will be transferred to the area teaching hospital.
This will change as the pandemic evolves
Would the LNP possibly be implicated in this?
“Then what?”
Presumably if they have symptoms, but are not in need of ICU they get told to drive home and wait there until the results are known.
Boerwar:
[‘Was it because when he was Minister for Water Littleproud refused to buckle to the noisy bastards in the water wars?’]
It was wide-ranging, quite brutal, sustained but most of it aimed at emergency management; that the money for those affected by the bush fires is not getting to those in strife. Water may’ve been an issue for him too but I can’t recall. He sort of does one’s head in when he’s in full anger mode.
‘Oakeshott Country says:
Monday, March 9, 2020 at 4:22 pm
If they are “the worried well or not so well” they will be given advice and sent home and asked to wait for test results – Advice on self quarantine will depend on the current guideline and risk assessment.
If they are unwell they will be placed in the hospital’s one isolation room until, at this stage of the pandemic, if the virus is confirmed they will be transferred to the area teaching hospital.
This will change as the pandemic evolves’
RHW and OC, thank you for info.
In relation to the small country hospital, is there automatic support in terms of logistics if they are asked to go home and stay there? What happens if they are not stocked up?
Oakeshott Country @ #1204 Monday, March 9th, 2020 – 3:22 pm
1. How long does it take for test results to come back?
2. What happens if two (or more) people show up for testing at the same time?
M
Thank you.
A PB best seller for sure.
The dolt: “Gawd I’m good”
Tanya: “You know I’m carrying this lot don’t you”
Bill: “I’m the Prime Minister !”
Jim: “Yep… well… ummm.. yeah…”
Penny: “This is my estimates serious face”
‘Fully isolate’ is a straw man.
Who is talking about full isolation? Nobody.
The real question that he needs to answer, if he wants us to trust him, is why travelers from Italy and South Korea are allowed in while travelers from Iran are not.
Every province in Italy has recorded CV19 infections. The authorities in Italy are only barely in control of what is happening in terms of C19 virus management in Italy.
Rexie drops in to… smear Labor politicians.
It is always, always, nasty, negative and personal.
Questions:
1. A small country town which has significant social support systems – probably much more than a city
2. As of last week the NSW HealthPath were doing 2 runs of tests per day but this will ramp up soon – should currently be a maximum of 48 hours for any facility in the state.
3. At this stage after a quick assessment to ensure they are not in extremis they will wait in a second car spot near the ED
OC
Thanks.
Rex the dummy still the dummy.
We have bigger fish to fry.
Don’t worry, BW, it will be cheaper than a roll of toilet paper, and will serve the same purpose.
This afternoon one of our 2 year old grandsons visited.
I did so want to hug him.
But I did not.
Why?
Setting up the patterns for if or when they are needed.
Oakeshott Country @ #1201 Monday, March 9th, 2020 – 4:22 pm
Sorry, it was a rhetorical question. The problem is the technical one of limits of PCR in detection, sensitivity (and by Bayes’ theorem at this stage of our epidemic the majority of positives will be false – though this will change in he next few weeks) and delayed confirmation. Even using point of care testing in China was not sufficient to arrest spread outside Wuhan. The Chinese resorted to one shot CTs, which I think will have to feature in our strategies and is already being used in some places in NSW.
The other big issue is that most of the presentations with clinical criteria of severe disease (ie need O2) will not be COVID-19, but will have to be treated as such until 3 swabs are negative. This is not going to be logistically supportable, even in major centres for long, and smaller centres will not cope. Transport is going to become a major issue. So is blood supply.
Amazing developments in the Northern Territory.
The NT Greens have been discussing preferencing Territory Labor last in ALL SEATS at the general election in August.
This is receiving some pushback from Alice Springs members. But it remains to be seen whether this will be enough to convince them not to go ahead with this decision.
Rex Douglas
says:
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Here’s my go:
The dolt: “I’m playing pocket billiards right now”
Tanya: “Shouldn’t we say an oath before taking the photo”
Bill: ” I can’t see how I can lose from here”
Jim: ” I’m a Queenslander… and I’ve got big ears”
Penny: “Where’s Albo? the greatest parliamentarian of our generation can’t get into this team but Big Ears can.”
rhwombat
Please don’t disappear. We definitely need all the doses of reality than we can get.
They’re doing exactly this in South Korea. No questions asked. You get the results in 3 days.
Was on either the Seth Meyers or Colbert show. The punchline was that since America invented the Drive-Thru, it should work well there.
I’m booked into a “tiny country hospital in NSW” this week for day surgery. Funny if our paths should cross.
‘Desert Qlder says:
Monday, March 9, 2020 at 4:42 pm
Amazing developments in the Northern Territory.
The NT Greens have been discussing preferencing Territory Labor last in ALL SEATS at the general election in August.
This is receiving some pushback from Alice Springs members. But it remains to be seen whether this will be enough to convince them not to go ahead with this decision.’
Pro fracking, pro religious discrimination, pro racist wreckers.
What else is there to say?
Absolutely hilarious but believe me they won’t
I’m sure BB will not be happy to be in that sort of company.
But let me add a bit of colour to my portrait.
I know we treat, particularly GP’s very poorly. Like Lawyers and Journalists, they probably have had a bigger part in making their own bet than most professions, and none of the professions are going to get a lot of sympathy.
The Dr is question, could have just said he was sorry, he’d made a mistake and I’d have felt sympathy for him. But he didn’t. He arrogantly attacked the Minister.
Now the AMA has for a long long time loved nothing more than taking down a Labor Minister, it is class sport for them. They are a part of the ruling class in our sick, failing neofeudal society and they like to flex their muscle, that isn’t a big deal. It is like Murdoch using his media empire to sustain a failing, sick neofeudal society he happens to be at the top of. Until you’ve got your committee’s organised and your guillotines sharpened that is just the way life is. Let us all eat cake.
What really makes me yammer is the contrast between the Doctor and the poor bastard in Hobart, who probably had almost no choice.
If not him then the 10 of thousands of casual workers we’d like to stay home and away from us as we get our coffee’s and our lunches and our uber eats. Of course we don’t want to pay them to stay out of our way, and of course we want our fav establishments open, but the poor sick people should stay far away, and we don’t care if they can’t pay rent or eat.
What chance have we got if not only have we created a society where the sick person with carona virus needs to come to work and cough on our desks in the evening, or morning, or whenever because they desperately need the money.
Then to top off we have Dr idiot and a whole bunch of doctors coming out and telling these poor bastards that the same rules don’t apply to Drs, they are doing the right thing when they come to work sick. They have to. They are sooooo very important. Doesn’t mean they can decide they aren’t sick enough to stay home, that is only something important Drs backed up by Australia’s most ruthless union can do.
So as I said sick neofeudal society.
Perhaps we should have a dedicated thread for a chapter by chapter commentary on Sam Maidens book …?
‘Rex Douglas says:
Monday, March 9, 2020 at 4:48 pm
Perhaps we should have a dedicated thread for a chapter by chapter commentary on Sam Maidens book …?’
Off you smear.
By the time the election comes about the country will be in deep recession. It will then be “all about the economy, stupid” and the Greens and their silly games will be irrelevant to everybody but themselves.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/09/australian-government-stimulus-package-promises-financial-support-as-fast-as-possible?CMP=share_btn_tw
Boerwar @ #1226 Monday, March 9th, 2020 – 4:49 pm
I think it could be a cleansing exercise …?
Oh Rex and nath… I nearly fell off my chair I laughed so hard. You are truly the funniest two people on the planet.
Don’t believe anyone who says your pretend ‘Party Animals’ quotes are low-brow, vituperative shit.
‘Rex Douglas says:
Monday, March 9, 2020 at 4:51 pm
Boerwar @ #1226 Monday, March 9th, 2020 – 4:49 pm
‘Rex Douglas says:
Monday, March 9, 2020 at 4:48 pm
Perhaps we should have a dedicated thread for a chapter by chapter commentary on Sam Maidens book …?’
Off you smear.
I think it could be a cleansing exercise …?’
Your smearing shit sticks to your blanket. Off you go.
Hillary Clinton: “[Joe Biden] is building the kind of coalition that I had.”
Video: https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1236864537598529538
RHW
I wondered about how long we would keep doing swabs.
My memory of the last big flu epidemic was that when it was in full throttle swabs were abandoned and there was an assumption that if it looked like flu and quacked like flu it was the flu. I understand that China eventually took this approach on the day of the great surge and started diagnosing on CT.
But this epidemic will coincide with the flu and there are two issues – 1. treating with anti-flu meds will be useless for patients with proven Covid-19 and 2. If we are to cohort patients its important not to mix them up
Boerwar @ #1231 Monday, March 9th, 2020 – 4:52 pm
Sam Maiden is close to the action. I’m sure there’s some very informative insights we all will find interesting.
I think I’ve made a wise decision not to read nath or Rex. I don’t want to soil my eyes.
Then to top off we have Dr idiot and a whole bunch of doctors coming out and telling these poor bastards that the same rules don’t apply to Drs, they are doing the right thing when they come to work sick. They have to. They are sooooo very important. Doesn’t mean they can decide they aren’t sick enough to stay home, that is only something important Drs backed up by Australia’s most ruthless union can do.
Yep, that’s the attitude I was trying to convey with my wife’s anecdote.
WWP
The doctor attacked the Ministet because the Minister was being an ass and desrved rebuke. The doctor may have made a mistake – at least in hindsight – but the Minister’s response was inappropriate.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/science-will-beat-coronavirus-but-not-warmist-alarmism/news-story/11407193d8fd6b5aec1b14c7321cf027
Those patients placed in the hospital’s one isolation room will be provided with the collected wisdom of Mr. ……
and so on.
Hands up all those who would like to hear or read about young Mr. Thunberg being trashed by
“Tim Blair, The Daily Telegraph”
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/tim-blair/gretas-gloominess-explained/news-story/43befe38e3666a1f3e632ac2ba9f88cb
and if yez don’t meet my demands I will post the full high quality article.
Send cash via Mr. W. Bowe Esq in quality brown paper bag marked “expenses”.😎😵
kakaru doesn’t read investigate journalism, only propaganda.
“I think it could be a cleansing exercise …?”
I think you’re cleaning your pipes already, Rex.
WWP
Quite right.
The Minister was right to put a rocket up him and his colleagues.
I respect Samantha Maiden’s journalism, nath. I don’t respect you riding her coattails with your sophomoric attempts at humour.
I think the response to coronavirus is somewhat more important at this time than what Sam Maiden has written about the last election.
Perhaps nath or Rex can give a precis (100 words or less) of Sam’s book?
Cud Chewer @ #1241 Monday, March 9th, 2020 – 3:59 pm
Without knowing the details of exactly what was said on either side, the Minister shouldn’t have wasted time directing criticism towards any one individual.
Better to use the incident as an opportunity to stress whatever it is you actually want people to do. Like if you want everyone to stay away from work if they have any symptoms whatsoever, then say that (and say how long they should stay away for, and whether or not they should get tested, etc.). Or if you only want frontline healthcare workers doing that, then say that. Don’t make it about telling one doctor that they were careless.
They surely were, but there’s no undoing that now. The best outcome is to raise awareness about what people should be doing, so that similar things don’t keep happening in the future.
I think it’s pretty clear here who on PB thinks Doctor always knows best, and who gets a second opinion, especially when they don’t get any better (or indeed pick up a dose of flu on top of their ingrown toenail).
Higgins is a high-profile GP at a glitzy Toorak practice, and he saw 70 patients while he had the flu.
And it’s the Minister who needs to apologize?
Oh… It’s the Labor minister!
Get another doctor.
A logical conclusion.
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