The Essential Research poll series continues to chug along on its fortnightly schedule without offering anything on voting intention, with this week’s survey mainly relating to bushfires and climate change. Support for the proposition that Australia is not doing enough to address climate change have reached a new high of 60%, up nine since March, with “doing enough” down five to 22% and “doing too much” down three to 8%.
However, perceptions of climate change itself are little changed, with 61% attributing it to human activity (down one) and 28% opting for “a normal fluctuation in the earth’s climate”. On the debate as to whether it was appropriate to raise links between climate change and bushfires, opinion was evenly divided – out of those who considered such a link likely, 43% felt raising the matter appropriate compared with 17% for inappropriate, while another 30% rated the link as unlikely.
A further question related to the issue of medical evacuations for asylum seekers, and here the situation is murkier due to the need to provide respondents with some sort of explanation of what the issue is about. As the Essential survey put it, the relevant legislation allows “doctors, not politicians, more say in determining the appropriate medical
treatment offered to people in offshore detention”. Put like that, 62% were opposed to the government’s move to repeal it, including 25% who believed the legislation didn’t go far enough. That left only 22% in favour of the pro-government proposition that “legislation will weaken our borders and result in boats arriving”.
The poll was conducted Thursday to Sunday from a sample of 1083.
Boerwar
” If you don’t like being criticized for guessing, don’t guess stuff. If you are called out for guessing stuff, abusing the caller-out doubles up on your initial callow behaviour.”
My initial callow behaviour???????????? WTF i think you should read over your posts BW, stop scrambling for info now because you have not been interested in the subject until now. Player one’s article just proved my exact point and there are many others.
Then again, it’s entirely possible that the only information the police have IS the basic allegation from Labor, contained in their referral letter. This sounds pretty unremarkable for an investigation only opened two or three hours before the call.
The cops wouldn’t have had time to inspect the documents (printed or electronic), review the Council or Daily Telegraph evidence/statements, or speak to anyone in Taylor’s office.
So what Morrison said is the technical truth. But the Morrison spin – that no wrongdoing was likely to be found, with the implication that this is also what the Commissioner said to him – could be very dodgy indeed.
It makes the Commissioner look bent (hey, plenty of NSW Commissioners HAVE been!). It implies that NSW is run on the Old Mates Network. It also implies pre-judgement by the Police. How could they possibly know what they were going to find in an investigation requiring forensic analysis of multiple documents from multiple sources, and multiple witnesses across several disparate organizations, including Commonwralth Ministers, a Lord Mayor and several senior public servants?
Stand down, Scotty, stand down!
To the tune of:
https://youtu.be/zFaFVhyjb5Y
Socrates, not to be pedantic – just to be curious: Don’t we technically have some information about how humans adapted to climate change in the past? Anatomically modern humans have existed for two hundred thousand years. The last major ice change ended twelve thousand years ago. The climate change that is happening now is different in many ways, and the scale and nature of human societies today are very different. But humans have experienced major global heating in the past, haven’t they? We don’t have a written record of what humans did twelve thousand years ago but there other sources of information about how humans adapted.
jeff
So, you are basing your guesses on a mix of modeled behaviour and an obviously imperfect knowledge of bark beetle behaviour and fire behaviour in forests adjacent to the treeline.
Bark beetles and fires do not, to the best of my knowledge, impact at or near Arctic tree lines.
Anytime you want to apologize for you abusive online behaviour you may do so.
But it won’t affect me at all one way or another.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03595-0
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https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/humans-have-learned-to-live-with-rising-tides/news-story/31afdc46349b96c43bbb42243a639d42
There you have it folks. I watched The Marx Brothers movie “A Night At The Opera” last night when really I need to watch their magnificent “Room Service” which contains all the wisdom of the ages required to understand Mr. Lomborg’s reasoning. 😵😵😵😵😵
Subtitles – I must have subtitles for “Room Service”. Brown Bear –
Now for an uplifting musical interlude –
♫When he was ♪ dead and laid in ♫ grave
♪ She heard the ♫ death bells ♫ knelling
♫ And every ♪ stroke to her ♫ did say
♪ Hard hearted ♫ Barbara ♪ Allen.
♫ Oh mother, ♪ oh mother go ♪ dig my ♫ grave
♫ Make it both ♪ long and ♪ narrow,
♫ Sweet ♪ William…
Hi
I don’t post here often but I have a question that somebody here may be able to answer. I was at a rally today outside Ultimo TAFE to protest against the recent job cuts. During the rally an official from Unions NSW stated , that ‘immigrants’ were taking our jobs and said that ‘immigrants’ were taking lower wages than local workers causing job losses.
I’m horrified.
Can you advise who I can complain to? Or is this new union policy? Because if it is, I’m turning in my union membership.
In three million years the position of the Australian continents has moved about. 10 million cm (about 100 km). I would not have thought anyone would argue it is significant.
If you look at the ice record, the last 10,000 years are unusual, not the norm. It would be nice if we were smart enough to keep it going, but we are not.
If you believe the science ( and I do) we have only been around about 200.000 years. Long enough to see two warm periods, and that is it.
We are already at a point where CO2 levels are the highest seen for millions of years.
C@t
“Said with tongue firmly in cheek, eh?
I could relay some Communist Party stories from the 1930s if you like, from the time when my grandfather was a member. That should appeal to a Green. ”
WTF is wrong with you people, i am not a Green, how many times do i have to say it? Is Brian Mitchell a Green is he C@T? i was actually paying you a complement, but F##k it, wasting my time on here tonight
“ There are two significant concerns that arise as a result of this. This first is that Commissioner Fuller either knew, or reasonably ought to have known, that Prime Minister Morrison and Minister Taylor were close political colleagues.“
As a lawyer and a politician Shoesbridge should know better.
The true situation is much worse than Morrison and Taylor being close political colleagues: Taylor’s very commission to the High Office he holds in the executive government is directly as a result of Morrison’s recommendation to the Governor General and the continuing confidence that Morrison – as Prime Minister has in his continuing appointment.
N
There are physiological adaptations and social/cultural adaptations; or lack thereof.
See Kutikina Cave. The eventual abandonment of the cave has been related to the loss of grazing for wallabies as the forest enveloped the cave surrounds. The forests did so because the climate prevented the regular burns that created grasslands.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kutikina_Cave
Daisi says:
Thursday, November 28, 2019 at 5:08 pm
Hi
I don’t post here often but I have a question that somebody here may be able to answer. I was at a rally today outside Ultimo TAFE to protest against the recent job cuts. During the rally an official from Unions NSW stated , that ‘immigrants’ were taking our jobs and said that ‘immigrants’ were taking lower wages than local workers causing job losses.
I’m horrified.
Can you advise who I can complain to? Or is this new union policy? Because if it is, I’m turning in my union membership.
I gather you horrified the some ill informed union official was blaming immigration for lower wages? Is that the case?
Woah! The Coalition’s anti-union ‘Ensuring Integrity’ bill unexpectedly shot down in Senate. Labor, Greens, Hanson (!) and Lambie against.
EXCELLENT
lefty e
Yay indeed
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9m ago 06:06
One Nation votes against ensuring Integrity
We see it but we don’t believe it.
Senator Hanson and Senator Roberts just sat with Labor to oppose the Ensuring Integrity Bill.
Final vote:
Ayes – 34
Noes – 34
That means that the Bill has a tied vote has NOT passed.
That means that the Bill has a tied vote has NOT passed.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2019/nov/28/morrison-albanese-coalition-medevac-taylor-politcs-live
This is a stunning defeat for the government.
Jackol @ #699 Thursday, November 28th, 2019 – 5:05 pm
I’ve just re-read those posts, and I still can’t interpret those to mean you support putting a price on carbon. And there is still the small matter of how you can square your support for new coal mines with “We should leave remaining stocks of fossil fuels in the ground” … but at least we seem to be making some progress! 🙂
BW
“Anytime you want to apologize for you abusive online behaviour you may do so.
But it won’t affect me at all one way or another.”
Just special -i put up with childish people like yourself all day BW as part of my job, so like you i will not lose any sleep over your comments!
night all 🙂
There must have been a collective WTF from the red benches!
Please will someone answer Daisi’s question. I think the answer depends on the definition of “immigrants”, but I don’t feel confident enough to provide certainty for her.
@frednk
Yes I am horrified that ‘immigrants’ were being blamed for job losses and lower wages. Sorry, if it wasn’t clear. I’m reeling a bit from it.
P1 –
You clearly didn’t read the part that said (quoting myself again, yay):
And this is laughable:
You have shown no sign at all of making any “progress”, and my position hasn’t changed.
Maybe you are slowing down in jumping-to-conclusions and blatant-misrepresentation, which would be progress, but given how often I seem to have to repeat myself I’m seeing it more likely that we will just go around this little goldfish bowl routine again tomorrow.
Perhaps the Morrison/Taylor affair and Westpac had something to do with defeat of the anti-union bill?
Apparently some LNP Senator yelled “Thanks, Malcolm [Roberts]” across the chamber as One nation voted.
ScoFo is having a great week isnt he?
WOW ! Some honesty about what the ‘integrity’ bill was really all about from of all places Rupert’s flagship.
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Union-busting bill fails in Senate
One Nation voted with Labor and the Greens for a 34-34 tie, the legislation not supported in the upper house.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/politicsnow-unionbusting-bill-set-to-pass-parliament/news-story/e55a70e4c4abe5494c6c7823c28271a1
Daisi @ #707 Thursday, November 28th, 2019 – 5:08 pm
I would initially complain to your own union rep, and let them percolate it up the line. Did you catch the name of the person who made the speech? If so, pass that along as well.
As ABC online puts it:
“Senior Government ministers appeared shocked when the final vote was cast.”
Drowning their collective sorrows in the members bar right now?
Jackol @ #721 Thursday, November 28th, 2019 – 5:22 pm
Yes, I had missed that. Apologies.
Nicholas
We adapted by moving away from unsuitable climates into suitable ones. We can’t do that now, there’s too many of us.
Hanson has made a very clear statement to the LNP;
DO NOT TAKE MY VOTE(S) FOR GRANTED.
Daisi,
I would contact Unions NSW. Probably via email, so you have it written down, followed up by a phone call. The contact details are here: https://www.unionsnsw.org.au/contact-us/
Daisi says:
Thursday, November 28, 2019 at 5:19 pm
@frednk
Yes I am horrified that ‘immigrants’ were being blamed for job losses and lower wages. Sorry, if it wasn’t clear. I’m reeling a bit from it.
Yes I thought you were saying that. Don’t tar a movement because of one dumb fuck, don’t hand you membership in, get involved. The union movement is about people, people have different views.
I believe Labors party policy fits with my view, it is beneficial, if they are good enough to come they are good enough to stay.
https://www.alp.org.au/about/national-platform/
Daisi,
I think it is important that you follow this up. I suspect that the Unions NSW official was giving a corrupted explanation of why 457 Temporary visa holders (people brought in to fill skills shortages) can drive wages down.
This is usually however associated with particularly companies bringing skilled 457 visa holders who will work for the minimum wage, and on a casual basis, so that they do not have to hire local skilled workers. I am told that the IT industry in Australia does this.
But Union officials need to be very clear if they are going to try and talk about this, because they risk sounding racist, and stirring-up racist sentiment.
See I told you. The best thing to ever happen to the Senate was having Pauline Hanson and Malcolm Roberts re-elected.
(In case anyone is wondering when I said that, I have never said it, and apart from this one occasion, will never say it).
jeff @ #709 Thursday, November 28th, 2019 – 5:11 pm
My apologies. 🙂
poroti @ #725 Thursday, November 28th, 2019 – 5:24 pm
I hope this gives CA pause for thought.
What an absolutely brilliant day, best since May. Even the weather is good although rain would be appreciated.
Tony Burke has issued a statement:
Scott Morrison’s anti-worker union-bashing laws have been defeated in the Senate – and should now be abandoned.
These were extreme laws that would have given the Government unprecedented powers, unparalleled anywhere in the developed world, to sack union officials and shut down entire unions for minor breaches.
The Government arrogantly believed they had this vote in the bag – but the Senate has delivered them a humiliating rejection.
This was a week in which Scott Morrison sought to impose standards on unions that he refused to impose on banks or members of his own Cabinet.
Throughout this debate, Labor has been proud to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Australian workers and the unions that represent them.
From the largest unions like the Australian Nursing and Midwifery Federation to the smallest volunteer-run unions – Labor stood with them to resist this attack on their capacity to organise.
These are the organisations that fight for higher wages, combat wage theft and exploitation and keep workers safe.
Labor thanks the crossbenchers who voted with us to oppose these dangerous and extreme laws.
But while this Bill has been defeated, workers should not rest easy.
This has always been two-stage attack from the Government.
This year, the Government has gone after the organisations that represent, protect and fight for workers.
Starting next year, they will come after workers’ pay and conditions directly. The Liberals are already talking about watering down unfair dismissal laws and scrapping the Better Off Overall Test.
(Courtesy of The Guardian)
Given their recent run of success, I wonder if ScoMo will further reduce the number of sitting days next year.
The Senate vote…………as the old song goes……….”Who can explain it, who can tell it why?” “Fools give you reasons, wise men never try!” What a fiasco for Morrison…………………..
Hanson and Roberts on ABC now.
Seems like the Libs response to the Westpac debacle was a contributing factor in determining One Nation’s vote.
Interesting voting result in the Senate to say the least.
I tip my hat to Hanson and Lambie and admit, on their actions today,it appears I was wrong with my character assessments regarding their commitment to fairness and the labour movement. The back story to the voting turnaround would make interesting reading.
Anyway, the bottom line is I really should know better and refrain from passing any judgements on anything to do with Australian politics until the final siren.
With one week to go who knows how this will end up. Events could turn very quickly. I will therefore leave any final “ character assessments”until this time next week and all the evidence is in.
Cheers and a good night to all.
Sorry, I’m at work and just checked in.
Was there another bill that was rejected by the Senate today, in addition to the Union Bashing Bill?
Both Hanson and Lambie making good points about unions needing to clean their houses.
Speaking of union thugs, has anyone heard of any developments in the case against Kathy Jackson?
Well it looks like Morrison and Porter want to use the Bill as a DD trigger. They want to reintroduce it.
Danama Papers @ #746 Thursday, November 28th, 2019 – 6:12 pm
Wasn’t she hiding in a Mental Health facility the last we heard of her?
Why, Danama, has Scomo made another phone call?
C@tmomma @ #747 Thursday, November 28th, 2019 – 3:12 pm
After their response to climate change, Westpac and now this, that would be political suicide methinks.