Preferences and preselections

More data on One Nation voters’ newly acquired and surprisingly forceful enthusiasm for preferencing the Coalition.

The Australian Electoral Commission quietly published the full distributions of lower house preferences earlier this week, shedding light on the election’s remaining known unknown: how close One Nation came to maybe pulling off a miracle in Hunter. Joel Fitzgibbon retained the seat for Labor with a margin of 2.98% over the Nationals, landing him on the wrong end of a 9.48% swing – the third biggest of the election after the central Queensland seats of Capricornia and Dawson, the politics of coal mining being the common thread between all three seats.

The wild card in the deck was that Hunter was also the seat where One Nation polled strongest, in what a dare say was a first for a non-Queensland seat – 21.59%, compared with 23.47% for the Nationals and 35.57% for Labor. That raised the question of how One Nation might have done in the final count if they emerged ahead of the Nationals on preferences. The answer is assuredly not-quite-well-enough, but we’ll never know for sure. As preferences from mostly left-leaning minor candidates were distributed, the gap between Nationals and One Nation barely moved, the Nationals gaining 4.81% to reach 28.28% at the final distribution, and One Nation gaining 4.79% to fall short with 26.38%. One Nation preferences then proceeded to flow to the Nationals with noteworthy force, with the final exclusion sending 19,120 votes (71.03%) to the Nationals and 28.97% to Labor.

Speaking of, the flow of minor party preferences between the Coalition and Labor is the one detail of the election result on which the AEC is still holding out. However, as a sequel to last week’s offering on Senate preferences, I offer the following comparison of flows in Queensland in 2016 and 2019. This is based on Senate ballot paper data, observing the number that placed one major party ahead of the either, or included neither major party in their preference order. In the case of the 2016 election, this is based on a sampling of one ballot paper in 50; the 2019 data is from the full set of results.

It has been widely noted that the Coalition enjoyed a greatly improved flow of One Nation preferences in the lower house, but the Senate results offer the interesting twist that Labor’s share hardly changed – evidently many One Nation voters who numbered neither major party in 2016 jumped off the fence and preferenced the Coalition this time. Also notable is that Labor received an even stronger share of Greens preferences than in 2016. If this was reflected nationally, it’s a phenomenon that has passed unnoticed, since the flow of One Nation and United Australia Party preferences was the larger and more telling story.

Other electorally relevant developments of the past week or so:

Laura Jayes of Sky News raises the prospect of the Nationals asserting a claim to the Liberal Senate vacancy created by Arthur Sinodinos’s appointment to Washington. The Nationals lost one of their two New South Wales seats when Fiona Nash fell foul of Section 44 in late 2017, resulting in a recount that delivered to the Liberals a seat that would otherwise have been held by the Nationals until 2022. Since that is also when Sinodinos’s term expires, giving the Nationals the seat would restore an order in which the Nationals held two out of the five Coalition seats.

• Fresh from her win over Tony Abbott in Warringah, The Australian reported on Tuesday that Zali Steggall was refusing to deny suggestions she might be persuaded to join the Liberal Party, although she subsequently complained the paper had twisted her words. A report in The Age today notes both “allies and opponents” believe Steggall will struggle to win re-election as an independent with Abbott out of the picture, and gives cause to doubt she would survive a preselection challenge as a Liberal.

• Labor is undergoing a personnel change in the Victorian Legislative Council after the resignation of Philip Dalidakis, who led the party’s ticket for Southern Metropolitan region at both the 2014 and 2018 elections. Preserving the claim of the Right faction Shop Distributive and Allied Employees Association, the national executive is set to anoint Enver Erdogan, a workplace lawyer for Maurice Blackburn, former Moreland councillor and member of the Kurdish community. The Australian reports former Melbourne Ports MP Michael Danby has joined the party’s Prahran and Brighton branches in registering displeasure that the national executive is circumventing a rank-and-file plebiscite. Particularly contentious is Erdogan’s record of criticism of Israel, a sore point in a region that encompasses Melbourne’s Jewish stronghold around Caulfield.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. I ignore the Greens these days for precisely this reason.

    Possum Comitatus@Pollytics
    2m2 minutes ago
    And you Greens, you need to shit or get off the pot. You either DO things, or you’re a political Instagram account. Don’t fucking @ me with your fragile-as-a-souffle, Pavlovian shit. Everyone can see what you’re doing

  2. A Just Transition to an economy that does not rely on fossil fuels will not be achieved in the absence of broad electoral support. A precondition for such support would be the existence of a popular movement that aimed to achieve such a Transition – a movement that would be recognised by the nominally-Right as well as the self-styled Left.

    Such a movement does not exist now and would therefore have to be built more or less from scratch. However, many recruits to such a movement could certainly be found. Furthermore, we know the deterioration in the environment will continue. As this occurs, new support will be forthcoming. This is as inevitable as climate change itself.

    The economic and social consequences of climate change will go well-beyond partisan goals and imperatives. They will force a new social, economic and environmental settlement to be found. This is inescapable in a democracy. The settlement that served working people in the 20th century is in the process of being unravelled. The consequences will be highly repressive for the beneficiaries of that settlement – the working people of this country. Nevertheless, the consequences of environmental change will overtake us all. This is very obvious. This will involve working people whether they like it or not. It will involve business and corporations whether they like it or not. It will involve every element of the community and the economy.

    A movement will be instigated. This is inevitable. There is a potential membership for such a movement, but there is no leadership for one at the moment. The Greens, who have alienated every possible ally, are incapable of providing such leadership. There is food for thought here…

  3. sprocket

    Possum continues his rant about Labor

    You can be the self interested ‘leftish’ party of bullshit artists, by bullshit artists (of a vintage of bullshit artistry that’s 20 years out of date). Or you can pull the heads in of some of your dickheads and expand your horizons beyond “failure”

    Spraying it in all directions, including at the Greens. How very constructive of him.

  4. Peg

    It is constructive of Possum to spray the Greens – maybe some of them will wake up to themselves?

    Wishful thinking, I know.

  5. It would be nice to know who Possum was talking about (and how many of them are elected). That Labor
    outsourced its polling to such an extent seems horribly amateurish.

    (incidentally, there does seem to be an implication that *the campaign* cost Labor four points)

  6. Pegasus @ #704 Saturday, July 6th, 2019 – 9:50 pm

    Spraying it in all directions, including at the Greens. How very constructive of him.

    Well, it works at least as well as anything the Greens have been doing lately, doesn’t it?

    At least Labor lost an election, and hopefully they will learn from that – i.e. that playing by the rules just doesn’t cut it anymore.

    The Greens may as well not even have turned up last time, and may as well not bother turning up again next time. In fact, we’d all be a lot better off if they didn’t 🙁

  7. sprocket

    “It is constructive of Possum to spray the Greens – maybe some of them will wake up to themselves?

    Wishful thinking, I know.”

    It is constructive of Possum to spray Labor – maybe some of them will wake up to themselves?

    Wishful thinking, I know.

  8. While the ALP online stooges direct their anger at the Greens, the Liberals continue to rack up another 3 years of government.

  9. Simon @ #707 Saturday, July 6th, 2019 – 9:58 pm

    It would be nice to know who Possum was talking about (and how many of them are elected). That Labor
    outsourced its polling to such an extent seems horribly amateurish.

    (incidentally, there does seem to be an implication that *the campaign* cost Labor four points)

    Possum was heavily involved from the union side in the successful campaign against Campbell Newman, in which they used highly sophisticated polling and statistical methods to fine tune the campaign every day.

    He was horrified by the lack of professionalism and sophistication In the Federal campaign, including outsourcing the polling to Galaxy when the Labor movement has huge internal capability in this area.

  10. nath, for some reason I was thinking of you and Lars when I was reading this. Can’t understand why.


    By Farrah Tomazin and Yan Zhuang
    July 6, 2019 — 6.50pm
    A prominent young Liberal has been charged after allegedly glassing a factional rival in the head after a
    Australian Liberal Students Federation past president Xavier Boffa is now facing calls for suspension from the party as a result of the stoush, which is the latest ugly episode to plague the Liberals’ youth movement.

    The incident took place at the Elephant British Pub in Adelaide around midnight on Friday, when Mr Boffa became involved in a heated argument with Melbourne University Liberal Club member Benedict Kusay.

    Mr Kusay’s allies say as the dispute escalated, Mr Boffa threw a glass into his head, resulting in the university student – a self-described “entrepreneur” who recently appeared in an article about the “Rich Kids of Instagram” – ending up in hospital overnight.

    He was discharged early on Saturday morning, and photos obtained by The Sunday Age confirm he required three staples to his head as a result of his injuries.

  11. … Mr Kusay’s allies say as the dispute escalated, Mr Boffa threw a glass into his head …

    Certainly a very liberal interpretation of glassing.

  12. says:
    Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:56 pm
    Briefly will be at this all day every day until he exhausts William’s patience. This is inevitable.

    Maybe. I’m trying to be constructive. I haven’t made any personal remarks and the subject is as political as anything could be.

    It’s contemporary too. There is political action at the popular level. It is beyond electoral politics at the moment, which reflects the staleness of that domain. This is new and interesting and potentially powerful.

    It certainly beats Rexicology and Studies in nath.

  13. I thought ‘Politics as Performance Art’ when describing The Greens was pretty good but I’ll give Possum marks for ‘a political Instagram account’. 🙂

  14. Diogenes @1:41. I assumed that Possum’s comments were tweeted yesterday/today, although there is no visible time-stamp. There does seem to be an element of being wise after the event. Labor did run a terrible campaign. People here were expecting Labor / Shorten to pull a rabbit out of the hat in the last week of two, but no rabbit was forthcoming.

    I found the bit about the crushed victories telling and depressing.

    EDIT: they’ve also crushed superannuation, one of the Hawke-Keating victories, turning it into a tax dodge for high income earners.

  15. WeWantPaul says:
    Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 11:41 am

    Look forward to an increase in the GST + austerity.
    100% this is what I expect. Also Labor has pretty much wedged themselves so I expect they will support it
    ————————-
    I see it differently, the ALP can now argue that since the government has delivered these tax cuts then the economy should be humming along with no need for any budget savings.

  16. Nicholas
    Whilst its true that government doesn’t need to conduct a bond auction but when it does, its doing so through Treasury, and as I’ve written before, a major buyer is other government or public sector agencies along with all other investors and there is no need to create a zero risk instrument when you already have the bond market.

  17. Good morning Dawn Patrollers. It’s most definitely a slow Sunday today!

    Jacqui Maley sings Lambie’s praise.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/lambie-makes-good-on-her-vow-to-use-her-powers-for-good-20190705-p524gp.html
    Here’s Peter FitzSimons’ weekly contribution.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/israel-folau-s-post-wasn-t-private-pm-it-was-provocative-20190705-p524l0.html
    In this week’s column, John Wren discusses the ramifications of Liberal tax cuts on the Australian economy.
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/wrens-week-a-closer-look-at-tax-cuts,12872
    Labor can’t appear to ignore economic wellbeing over ideological values, writes David Hetherington.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jul/07/labor-cant-appear-to-ignore-economic-wellbeing-over-ideological-values
    John Pesutto writes that there are contradictions inherent in the religious discrimination proposals.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/contradictions-inherent-in-religious-discrimination-proposals-20190705-p524jl.html
    While our Government’s focus on religious freedom is a hot topic, it’s reminding many that religion is an outdated concept, including Noely Neate.
    https://independentaustralia.net/life/life-display/religious-freedom-talibangelicals-have-jumped-the-shark,12871
    Huge gaming profits versus a minuscule return to the community. Vaulting pay for their executives and billions for the NSW Government. These are the findings of the most in-depth investigation into top NSW club finances to date. They pay next to no tax either but many are on a pokies-fuelled spree empire-building. Michael West reports the first of a series of stories on the biggest community pokies dens in the world.
    https://www.michaelwest.com.au/pokie-profits-investigation-clubs-put-executive-pay-the-state-and-empire-building-before-community-service/
    A prominent young Liberal has been charged after allegedly glassing a factional rival in the head after a Liberal students’ conference. That organisation DOES attract some lovely types!
    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/young-liberal-charged-with-glassing-factional-opponent-20190706-p524so.html
    Some earthquake problems in California.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/06/california-earthquake-latest-tremors-state-of-emergency
    He cages children, he holds a military parade, he muses about being president for life yet we fail to see him for what he is, writes Jonathan Freedland.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/05/donald-trump-dictator-not-enough-laugh

    Cartoon Corner

    From Matt Golding.



    Zanetti puts the boot into Albo.

    Glen Le Lievre and the rage of the aged.

    Andrew Dyson on the new tax scales.

    A valid point from Alan Moir here.

    From the US


  18. Freedland’s summary of Trump’s behaviour is frightening and shows how quickly a society can be damaged by a determined megalomaniac. Are Australia’s leaders strong enough to stand up to him? Is Australia’s democracy strong enough to stand up to one of our own?

    This too is what dictators do: demonising a group – in this case, migrants – as an alien threat, an army of invaders, so intensely and for so long that eventually any fate, no matter how brutal or inhumane, seems deserved, even when it is inflicted on that group’s youngest and most vulnerable members. Breaking up families, caging children in hot, fetid, disease-ridden camps – this is what dictators do.

  19. lizzie @ #724 Sunday, July 7th, 2019 – 6:36 am

    Freedland’s summary of Trump’s behaviour is frightening and shows how quickly a society can be damaged by a determined megalomaniac. Are Australia’s leaders strong enough to stand up to him? Is Australia’s democracy strong enough to stand up to one of our own?

    This too is what dictators do: demonising a group – in this case, migrants – as an alien threat, an army of invaders, so intensely and for so long that eventually any fate, no matter how brutal or inhumane, seems deserved, even when it is inflicted on that group’s youngest and most vulnerable members. Breaking up families, caging children in hot, fetid, disease-ridden camps – this is what dictators do.

    But Australia has provided a template for how to mistreat asylum seekers. What Freedland refers to has been the case here for six years.

  20. A political Instagram account. I love it! Thinking of that photo from the Senate of Janet Rice.

    Possum Comitatus@Pollytics
    10h10 hours ago
    And you Greens, you need to shit or get off the pot. You either DO things, or you’re a political Instagram account. Don’t fucking @ me with your fragile-as-a-souffle, Pavlovian shit. Everyone can see what you’re doing

  21. Insiders ABCVerified account@InsidersABC
    1m1 minute ago
    Coming up at 9am on #Insiders, @annabelcrabb interviews Shadow Infrastructure Minister @CatherineKingMP and @mpbowers talks pics with @ellinghausen. On the couch are @newscomauHQ’s @farrm51, @dwabriz and @RNDrive’s @PatsKarvelas.

    Join us! #auspol

  22. Dan Gulberry @ #717 Sunday, July 7th, 2019 – 1:07 am

    C@tmomma @ #717 Saturday, July 6th, 2019 – 9:44 pm

    I thought ‘Politics as Performance Art’ when describing The Greens was pretty good but I’ll give Possum marks for ‘a political Instagram account’. 🙂

    Why did you ignore this bit?
    ” rel=”nofollow”>

    Of course I read it. I didn’t have to comment on it. Now, if you want to spend another day putting the boot into Labor and kicking a dog when it’s down, go right ahead. I guess it makes YOU feel good, but I’m not going to take any part in it.

    Or, you could do what Poss suggests and get active in the Labor Party and work to make it better.

    But I’m guessing you’ll just keep kicking.

  23. Confessions @ #728 Sunday, July 7th, 2019 – 7:37 am

    A political Instagram account. I love it! Thinking of that photo from the Senate of Janet Rice.

    Possum Comitatus@Pollytics
    10h10 hours ago
    And you Greens, you need to shit or get off the pot. You either DO things, or you’re a political Instagram account. Don’t fucking @ me with your fragile-as-a-souffle, Pavlovian shit. Everyone can see what you’re doing

    And I bet that photo was sent out to every Greens member in the country. For the lols. 🙄

  24. Linked on Twitter by a genuine Christian, Fr Rod Bower.

    Since Evangelical Christianity began infiltrating politics, officially in the late 1970s, there has been a disturbing trend to limit or remove rights from those who don’t meet the conservative idea of an American. Many of these initiatives come in the form of “religious freedom” laws, which empower discrimination, while other legislation targets immigrants who believe differently. The result has been a sharp division in American culture, and the redefinition of Christian theology.

    Evangelical speaker, author, and university professor, Tony Campolo, said Christianity was redefined in the mid-70s by positions of “pro-life” and opposing gay marriage. “Suddenly theology fell to the background,” he said. And somewhere in the middle of all the change, Evangelical Christianity crossed the line of faith and belief to hatred and abuse. Those who cruelly implement the actions of their faith are oblivious to the destruction they cause to their religion, or the people their beliefs impact.

    The evangelical Christian message is loud and clear. They care for no one but themselves. Their devotion is to the version of Christianity they have created, which calls for ruthless abandonment of immigrants, women, children – even their own – and anyone else who doesn’t fall inline with their message. Social justice, which is mentioned in Bible verses over two thousand times, has been replaced with hardline political ideology. Principle over people. Indifference over involvement. Judgment over generosity.

    http://churchandstate.org.uk/2017/05/has-evangelical-christianity-become-sociopathic/

  25. 27 years summed up in two sentences:

    ‘And you Greens, you need to shit or get off the pot. You either DO things, or you’re a political Instagram account. ‘

  26. Do genetics determine our political views? Probably more relevant in America where there are only binary choices when it comes to voting.

    Politics is an emotional topic because people feel they have arrived at their conclusions through deep moral reasoning. It’s not just a collection of policy opinions and problem-solving strategies; it’s a core philosophy that goes straight to a person’s identity. And because moral reasoning feels both noble and incontrovertible, few people want to be told that these sacred conclusions are profoundly influenced by genetics.

    The effect of genetics is so strong, however, that according to empirical studies, identical twins who are raised apart are more likely to hold similar political views than fraternal twins who are raised together. According to Avi Tuschman, author of “Our Political Nature,” between 40 and 60 percent of the variance in our political attitudes is heritable, stemming from genetic differences between individuals; the rest comes from our environment, especially during our formative years. Political opinion also relates to brain structure: An experiment measuring the sizes of the anterior cingulate and the right amygdala accurately predicted a person’s political orientation 72 percent of the time. Some of these political proclivities appear to be connected to Chromosome 4 in a neurotransmitter receptor called NARG1.

    The fact that political opinion is rooted to some degree in our genes and biology means that both liberalism and conservatism may be adaptive traits that got passed down through thousands of human generations because they helped us survive. But another trait that is clearly adaptive is our ability to get along. Political arguments may rage within families, communities and even nations, yet they only rarely threaten the cohesion of the group. On some level, humans seem to understand that differences of opinion are unpleasant but splitting up may be even more unpleasant — or downright dangerous. Humans don’t survive alone in nature.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/our-politics-are-in-our-dna-thats-a-good-thing/2019/07/05/c4d8579e-984d-11e9-830a-21b9b36b64ad_story.html?utm_term=.1fe350df41ca

  27. Fess

    From that, one might deduce that those who limit their families for ideological reasons (the benefit of the environment) are ensuring their own political defeat.

  28. Boerwar,
    The Greens are only interested in one thing. Shitting on Labor from their lofty heights of political purity. With all the sanctimony, but now, outright abuse and hostility, if ICANCU’s contributions are anything to go by, that they can muster.

    They can’t seem to see the wood for the trees, that abusing Labor constantly just does the Coalition’s work for them by proxy. Sadly, there soon will be no trees because, while The Greens keep abusing, or condescending, to Labor, the Coalition’s mates just carry on bulldozing them into the ground and digging up what’s underneath them, or planting more crops where the trees used to be.

    And what do The Greens do? Go on another fol de rol to protest one and only one particular coal mine, while the Coalition are approving them everywhere else in the country without a protest peep from The Greens.

    I would be said for The Greens declining effectiveness wrt the environment, if I wasn’t so angry at how their behaviour is just letting it die more quickly. It’s so counterproductive and they are just too arrogant to realise it.

  29. Is Possum saying that the election campaign caused the ALP’s level of support to fall from 37 percent to 33 percent? What is he basing this on?

  30. Nicholas says:
    Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 8:12 am

    Is Possum saying that the election campaign caused the ALP’s level of support to fall from 37 percent to 33 percent? What is he basing this on?

    An assumption that the opinion polls weren’t wrong¿ 😆

  31. Yeah my understanding was that the published polls were consistently off from the start of the campaign right through to the end. So how would you know if the campaign caused the ALP to lose four points?

  32. Re pokie machines

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/politicians-hit-gambling-donations-jackpot-as-pokie-contributions-soar-20190201-p50v2s.html

    The Alliance for Gambling Reform has called for a complete ban on political donations by licenced gambling operators, noting that the single largest gambling related donation in the country was $789,000 from the 1973 Foundation to the ACT Labor Party. The 1973 Foundation houses the profits made from the four pokies clubs in Canberra operated by the Labor Party.

  33. Michael Pascoe@MichaelPascoe01

    If Labor isn’t capable of communicating the less-than-subtle difference, it may as well go home. If they later try to scrap the third phase, it will be “but you voted for it” – like franking credits cash refunds. Their last good “explainer” was Lindsay Tanner – gone 9 years now

  34. Diogenes @ #719 Sunday, July 7th, 2019 – 1:41 am

    Was Possum making those comments before the election or only after Labor lost?

    I saw a comment about the internal polling debacle when the news that they were using Galaxy came to light – so before the election. He didn’t play it up after that because he obviously didn’t want to do more damage to the Labor campaign.

    His comment at the time indicated he was pretty horrified they were using such unsophisticated methods to track the canpaign

  35. Possum’s comments re Greens and Labor were made yesterday:

    You can be the self interested ‘leftish’ party of bullshit artists, by bullshit artists (of a vintage of bullshit artistry that’s 20 years out of date). Or you can pull the heads in of some of your dickheads and expand your horizons beyond “failure”

    4:25 AM – 6 Jul 2019

    https://twitter.com/Pollytics/status/1147466667695304704

  36. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jul/07/labor-cant-appear-to-ignore-economic-wellbeing-over-ideological-values

    Progressive politics must find ways to build areas of consensus while keeping an eye on hip pocket issues
    :::
    That will need to wait for the next election. In the meantime, two specific ideas for consensus policies lie available. On the economic front, progressive leaders should work with the Coalition government to deliver a meaningful increase in Newstart. Institutional support for this change is near universal. And on the social front, they should seek to build cross-party support for constitutional recognition of Indigenous Australians.

  37. LNG

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jul/07/fuelling-the-climate-crisis-why-lng-is-no-miracle-cure-for-australias-coal-addiction

    Two days earlier, an analysis by US-based researchers and anti-fossil fuel advocates the Global Energy Monitor found if all US$1.3tn worth of LNG developments planned across the globe went ahead they would do at least as much to drive the world into climate catastrophe as new coal investments, possibly more. Australia is a significant player in this drive, with $38bn in investments on the books – fourth behind only the US, Canada or Russia.
    :::
    Some uncontested facts: the Australian industry has surged across the Top End in the past five years to a point where the country rivals Qatar as the world’s biggest LNG exporter. Seven multi-decade developments have started production at Gladstone, Queensland, near Darwin and especially in northern Western Australia. Export earnings from LNG increased 61% in two years to almost $50bn, putting it behind only iron ore in value. The industry employs thousands of people.
    :::
    Frank Jotzo, an economist and professor at the ANU Crawford School of Public Policy, says: “What is certain is the expansion of the LNG industry is holding up the transition to zero carbon fuels.”

  38. lizzie @ #743 Sunday, July 7th, 2019 – 8:29 am

    Michael Pascoe@MichaelPascoe01

    If Labor isn’t capable of communicating the less-than-subtle difference, it may as well go home. If they later try to scrap the third phase, it will be “but you voted for it” – like franking credits cash refunds. Their last good “explainer” was Lindsay Tanner – gone 9 years now

    I saw that Tweet yesterday too. It received a considered reply. You haven’t thought it worthwhile to put that here as well? It just looks like being nasty for nasty’s sake otherwise.

  39. Nicholas @ #739 Sunday, July 7th, 2019 – 8:23 am

    Yeah my understanding was that the published polls were consistently off from the start of the campaign right through to the end. So how would you know if the campaign caused the ALP to lose four points?

    Exactly.

    Or you can believe mundo’s revisionism.

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