The Australian has published what can doubtless be regarded as the most reliable – or at any rate, least unreliable – seat polls to emerge from the campaign so far, from four well-chosen electorates. These are automated phone polls conducted on Saturday and have modest samples, from 509 to 618, although they seem to fit very well with where the major parties believe things to stand. Among other things, this means each looks to be going down to the wire. Perhaps a little more surprisingly, they find Clive Palmer’s United Australia Party doing at least as well as the Palmer United Party did in 2013.
Deakin (Victoria, Liberal 6.4%): The Liberals are credited with a two-party lead of 51-49 in this eastern Melbourne seat, consistent with the general impression of a big swing to Labor in Victoria – though perhaps not quite enough to take out this particular seat, which is held by arch-conservative Michael Sukkar. The primary votes are Liberal 46%, compared with 50.3% in 2016; Labor 39%, compared with 30.1%; Greens 8%, compared with 11.3%; and 5% for the United Australia Party. The numbers for comparison here are as adjusted for the redistribution, which boosted the Liberal margin from 5.7% to 6.4%. The sample here was 535.
Pearce (WA, Liberal 3.6%): A dead heat on two-party preferred in Christian Porter’s seat on Perth’s northern fringes, from primary votes of Liberal 40% (45.4% in 2016), Labor 36% (34.3%), Greens 8% (11%), United Australia Party 8% and One Nation 6%. Sample: 509.
Herbert (Queensland, Labor 0.0%): The Coalition has high hopes invested in recovering this Townsville-based seat from Labor’s Cathy O’Toole due to the Adani controversy, but the poll’s two party preferred reading finds nothing to separate the two parties on the primary vote, in a seat Labor won by 37 votes in 2016. Presumably these polls use respondent-allocated preferences, as 2016 preference flows suggest this is more like 51-49 to Labor: their primary vote is only down from 30.5% to 29%, while the Liberal National Party is down from 35.5% to 31.1%. The United Australia Party does particularly well here, despite Palmer himself having baulked at his earlier plan to contest the seat. It records 14% of the vote, resulting in One Nation fading from 13.5% to 9%, although Katter’s Australian Party are up from 6.9% to 10%. The Greens are at 5%, down from 6.3%. Sample: 529.
Lindsay (NSW, Labor 1.1%): Another status quo result in a seat the Liberals are talking up as a gain from Labor, who are credited with a 51-49 lead. In this case, previous election preferences would probably have produced a stronger result for the Liberals, who are up from 39.3% to 41% on the primary vote with Labor down from 41.1% to 40%. The Greens are little changed on 4%, compared with 3.6% last time, and the United Australia Party are on 7%. Sample: 618.
It has been said around the place that Essential Research was not letting Easter deter it from following its fortnightly polling schedule over the weekend, but it may be causing them to delay its release by a day, because there’s nothing about it on The Guardian’s site.
Late Riser, 53 to 47 to the ALP in both polls thanks
Imagine the damage the nats could do with 10% of the vote…
D and M
I seem to remember some research that found people who were well off were much more afraid of losing money than people who were less well off. It might explain why the “great big new tax” scare has worked so well for the conservatives.
Further to some previous discussion by others regarding the tories prospects in Hotham, which does sound a bit far fetched, unsolicited, a Labor supporting friend voiced her concern at the performance of the “pretend Labor MP for our seat (Hotham) who lives in Toorak.” She was very upset to have lost Julian Hill as her MP in the re- distribution, so there may be something in all that. To be fair, Ms O’ Neil has never really captured my fancy as a legit Labor person either.
Pegasus says:
Tuesday, April 23, 2019 at 11:56 pm
But you tell us the people love the Greens, why won’t they vote for them?
Why? In response to J’s and Cat’s claims i am misrepresenting…..Labor does not support a RC into the MDB plan. Has Shorten come out with a statement after Burke’s interview contradicting ABC RN Drive’s report? If so, I haven’t seen it and would appreciate a link to verify the counter claim.
Things get worse for Barnaby and Angus.
https://kangaroocourtofaustralia.com/2019/04/23/lawyers-for-mp-angus-taylor-fail-to-back-up-80-million-watergate-fraud-defamation-legal-threats/
Pegasus @ #1005 Wednesday, April 24th, 2019 – 12:02 am
Yes. He does actually.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/labor-calls-for-major-inquiry-into-water-scandal-and-accuses-scott-morrison-of-a-cover-up-20190423-p51glz.html
Please accept my abject apology on behalf of Bill Shorten and the Labor Party that he didn’t come out with it soon enough for you, Pegasus.
HughB @ #991 Tuesday, April 23rd, 2019 – 11:46 pm
Hi Hugh,
I would say that there has been a gradual increase in Greens vote and despite the combination at time of Lab and Lib trying to use preferences to keep Greens out of the race. There is a continuing vote growth and recognition. In some ways it is when other parties take on Greens policy that ameliorates the pressure sometimes.
For many Greens I would say it policy outcome that matters most, and as time goes by that policy change matters more than it did before.
There’s a whole pile of mythology around the Greens, including the one about being at 10% for decades, and if you ever ask anyone who “hates” them why, there’s usually nothing specific they can say, just following the media crap.
When asked about issues or policies without knowing they’re Green policies, many Australians agree with them.
The extra heat and light both Labor and Lib direct to the Greens seems to be more of a symptom that they recognise the Greens as a growing political force.
Indeed I think the Greens constituency is not going to go away, all parties are having to address what I believe will be an ever growing cohort in society. As the ecological systems and natural world we rely on start to fall apart. The Greens party represents a subset of the Greens constituency but obviously speak directly to their concerns more than either Lab or Lib
In many ways,as a fifth generation Australian, Aust is also an infantile culture and we really need to grow up a bit and understand our system of government, how it works and how we contribute to it.
In some ways it is ridiculous that criticising pollies is a great national pastime when we are the fools who put the idiots in there that costs us so much.
Again shake it all up a bit and see what we can change, because business as usual is turning into a mess
The Greens get 2.5 times the votes the Nats do, and return 80-90% to Labor as preferences, so
A. You’re welcome, and
B. Quit yer whining.
B in
“But you tell us the people love the Greens,”
Misrepresenting my views is all you have. I have never claimed this.
Your continual penchant to put words in my mouth is obvious as it is tedious.
Roger Miller,
Yes, this is so. It is also well substantiated that poorer people give a far larger portion of their income to charities / to help others than more well off people. Living on one of Sydney’s poorer pockets, I see this everyday. The sense of community here is fantastic.
The extra heat and light both Labor and Lib direct to the Greens seems to be more of a symptom that they recognise the Greens as a growing political force.
😆
What was that calculation again? Something about the rate The Greens’ vote is going it will take them over a hundred years to actually be in a position to possibly form government. 🙂
As an 8th generation Australian, I’ll be happy when the infantile Greens grow up.
Douglas and Milko
Tuesday, April 23rd, 2019 – 11:58 pm
Comment #998
Thanks for your posts tonight (plus Jenauthor).
Extremely interesting material. Lots of stuff via Google relating to amygdala shrinkage and meditation.
Goodnight again. 💤💤💤
Doesn’t Labor only support an inquiry into the two transactions made in 2017 under Joyce? That’s what is being reported. That is not a wide-ranging RC into the MDB plan as advocated by the Greens and Centre Alliance.
I listened to Burke’s entire interview – and the last bit about legality and Adani explains Labor’s stance and why they refuse to make ANY public statement of intention.
Worth a listen
Dr Anthony Lynham has finally given his side of the EAA story:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/labor-calls-for-major-inquiry-into-water-scandal-and-accuses-scott-morrison-of-a-cover-up-20190423-p51glz.html
Douglas and Milko @ #998 Tuesday, April 23rd, 2019 – 11:58 pm
Hi D&M,
I actually think it has been the lack of leadership and capitulation to the right wing LNP and capture by the vested interests along with the LNP, where our political system has been kind for sale over recent decades that has contributed to the perception, at least amongst Lab partisans here.
It’s become a self-fulfilling prophesy for Lab it seems. At times it’s felt like Lab has been so willing to capitulate to the RWNJ without any debate or argument that they just reinforce those RWNJ as sensible human beings.
Fostering feeling that they don’t stand for anything really because they cave before they even have chance.
Look at when Lab actually got into govt by beating the LNP, I defy that it was when they appeared to be shrinking violets and useless sycophants to Lib policy.
What is the point of a RC into the MDB Plan when the maladministration only occurred once Barnaby Joyce was handed the Water portfolio?
A Review of the MDB Plan is all that is necessary.
J
It is worth a listen. Burke’s obfuscation and unwillingness to answer Karvelas’ questions was obvious for all to hear.
jenauthor @ #1016 Wednesday, April 24th, 2019 – 12:17 am
Have you got a link for that? 🙂
Pegasus @ #1020 Wednesday, April 24th, 2019 – 12:23 am
Labor doesn’t dance to The Greens’ tune. Thank goodness.
So an indirect admission i didn’t misrepresent as claimed earlier.
Pegasus @ #1023 Wednesday, April 24th, 2019 – 12:25 am
No, you simply said that Labor hadn’t called for a Royal Commission. You added the other bit later.
I don’t dare re-re-post the link for cat lol
A fantastic brace of letters about Barnaby Joyce:
My original comment was
“Greens and Centre Alliance say a RC into the MDB plan is needed.
Coalition and Labor say there is no need for a RC.”
Oh dear, i missed putting in “such” before “a RC” in the second sentence.
My meaning was obvious in context.
Anyway, sweet dreams to all.
Pegasus says:
Wednesday, April 24, 2019 at 12:09 am
You did earlier when you posted your agreement with a post by Quoll where they argued that the Greens policies were widely popular and Labor would be in a better position if they adopted them.
One interesting thing on the voterchoice survey website, because it is a longitudinal survey of the same pool of people, there is a graphic of the numbers of respondants who have changed their preferences since the last survey. To be viewed with caution though, as from a survey of a bit over a thousand, a movement that looks significant may represent only a few respondants.
BiDL
I think there is a chunk of voters who agree with Green policies who have decided to vote Labor because they see that as better value for their vote. Actually moving the government incrementaly to the left is better then dreaming of utopia.
Red….I’m not buying the G anti-Labor tropes. They are splitters. They operate with the intention of spiting Labor at almost any cost. They have the nerve to sermonise against the very voters to whom they look for their own support. They have made life far, far more difficult than it needed to be. They are obstructions to progress on nearly everything, including in particular to progress on the environment.
It’s hard for Labor to win. We’ve managed to win from opposition only very rarely. Labor apply everything they have to the task of creating policy and campaigning against the odds to implement those policies. The Gs deliberately set out to obstruct this. Not a day passes on which they do not practice to defeat Labor. The descriptions I’ve used for them are the most polite I can find.
Of course, if Labor win the election, those who have opposed this result will immediately set out to destroy the new government. This is a certainty. Among those who threaten to do this are the Gs, who have already promised to obstruct Labor. In a very real sense, the election is just the beginning of the struggle. Labor will have to fight on. We have had many years of dysfunction in our political order. The Gs are in no small part responsible for this. I make no apologies for saying so. They have enabled Lib intransigence and done so for their own expedient purposes. The populists of both the left and the right are the suitors of grievance and truculence, the parents of defeatism and pessimism, of division and of malice. It is really high time we ditched them.
Roger Miller says:
Wednesday, April 24, 2019 at 12:58 am
Yep, in principle, but …
The water buy back deal is crook. Some major politicians are involved. Demand of Morrison the names of the people behind the entities that made a financial gain from water buybacks.
If Morrison refuses to be transparent, punish the LNP in the polls.
The Murdoch media interests have next to no coverage of the water buybacks.
Perhaps we need to be transparent about the state of the media interests in Australia while an investigation about the ‘hot water’ interests take place.
Perhaps the government would like to buy the water flow that runs off your land on which your house sits. This would then be deducted from your water rates and usage charges.
This stand off should not be allowed to go another day without resolution.
The ball is in your court PM Morrison.
The extreme right wing regime refuses to answer concerns about corruption and the compliant media interests have no interest in corruption allegations in the run up to an election.
Peter Slipper an ex speaker was found guilty of misusing $900 of taxi vouchers.
This water buyback scheme is as crook as anything that has occurred since the rum rebellion and the present government is hoping to hide it all under the carpet. The amount of money involved is in the hundreds of millions of dollars or possibly more.
Australia is being run by a bunch of crooks and the fact that these same crooks are still in with some chance to retain power is a poor reflection of a spoilt, self centred population.
The fact that there is no-one in the LNP prepared to enlighten the voters with the truth as to the extent of this crookery is damning of a government hoping to be re-elected.
The apathy displayed by our representatives and the voting public is frightening.
There seem to be a lot of 53/47 predictions…
New thread.