Departure lounge

The retirement of another senior Liberal in a loseable seat, and a poll suggesting Labor could pull off a boilover in Higgins.

The West Australian today reports that Human Services Minister Michael Keenan will be joining the exodus at the election, creating a vacancy in his northern suburbs Perth seat of Stirling. The seat was long highly marginal, but Keenan has held it on mostly comfortable margins since he gained the seat from Labor in 2004.

There is also a uComms/ReachTEL poll in The Australian from the scene of the week’s other big retirement announcements, the Melbourne seat of Higgins. Conducted on Thursday from a sample of 860 for interests who wish to bring about the return of Peter Costello, the poll finds Labor with a two-party lead of 52-48. This compares with a 10.7% margin for retiring Liberal member Kelly O’Dwyer in Liberals-versus-Labor terms, although it’s perfectly in line with how the electorate voted at the election. It was in fact the Greens who finished second in 2016, but the poll suggests that is unlikely to be repeated this time: after exclusion of the 8.4% undecided, the primary votes are Liberal 40.3%, Labor 27.1% and Greens 19.3%.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. Mueller will soon indict ‘a significant number of names quite familiar to the average American’: Ex-CIA director

    Former CIA director John Brennan predicted more indictments would be coming soon in special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe — and he suggested those could include members of President Donald Trump’s family.

    “In the summer of 2016 we were watching what was happening in terms of what was being released by WikiLeaks and how the Russian hand was behind this,” Brennan said. “So the intermediary was something looked at very closely by the FBI and others, so again, this indictment is not surprising in any respect.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/mueller-will-soon-indict-significant-number-names-quite-familiar-average-american-ex-cia-director/

  2. Steve Bannon implicated in Roger Stone indictment: report

    Steve Bannon was one of the senior Trump campaign officials who reached out to Roger Stone, who was arrested Friday morning by FBI agents.

    A 24-page indictment obtained by special counsel Robert Mueller details communications between Stone, a longtime associate of President Donald Trump, and high-ranking campaign officials, including Bannon, reported CNBC.

    The indictment alleges that Stone communicated with top-ranking Trump campaign officials about his efforts to release emails stolen by Russian hackers and dumped online by WikiLeaks.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/steve-bannon-implicated-roger-stone-indictment-report/

  3. Here are 5 of the most stunning revelations in the Mueller probe’s Roger Stone indictment

    Stone’s arrest was completely unannounced
    Stone is accused of obstructing the House Intelligence Committee’s Russia investigation
    Organization 1 in the indictment is believed to be WikiLeaks
    Stone is accused of discussing WikiLeaks’ activities with ‘senior Trump campaign officials’ in 2016
    The head of ‘Organization 1’ is believed to be Julian Assange

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/5-stunning-revelations-mueller-probes-roger-stone-indictment/

  4. Roger Stone indictment should have the GOP terrified of sticking by Trump: conservative columnist

    Reacting to the stunning dawn raid and arrest of Roger Stone, a longtime confidante of Donald Trump, conservative commentator Jennifer Rubin said the indictment — and what it contains — should have Republican lawmakers running for the hills and away from the embattled president.

    Writing at the Washington Post, Rubin invoked (with a slight modification) the well known Watergate question asked of disgraced President Richard Nixon: “What did President Trump know, and when did he know it?”

    “The indictment and arrest of Roger Stone were not unexpected, but the allegations should shake Republicans out of their slumber,” she wrote, before pointing out a key portion of the 7-count indictment. “A senior official was allegedly directed to inquire about stolen emails. Who directed him, and if not Trump himself, did Trump know what was being done on his behalf?”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/roger-stone-indictment-gop-terrified-sticking-trump-conservative-columnist/

  5. Trump caves to Democrats and accepts deal to re-open government without border wall funds: report

    President Donald Trump is expected to announce Friday afternoon a plan to re-open the government for three weeks without getting the border wall funds that he has been demanding from the Democrats.

    According to the Washington Post, “With Trump’s approval, the pact would reopen shuttered government departments for the three weeks while leaving the issue of $5.7 billion for the U.S.-Mexico border wall to further talks. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss private deliberations

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/senate-leaders-continue-to-seek-a-deal-to-end-shutdown-that-will-satisfy-trump/2019/01/25/09c898dc-20ad-11e9-8e21-59a09ff1e2a1_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cede006fc7ea

  6. Trump tries to spin shutdown deal into a victory after getting no border wall funding

    President Donald Trump’s three-week stopgap funding of the government includes no funding for a border wall — but he still spun it as a victory for himself.

    “After 36 days of spirited debate and dialogue, I have seen and heard from enough Democrats and Republicans that they are willing to put partisanship aside,” the president said from the White House Rose Garden.

    “I think and put the security of the American people first,” Trump said. “I do believe they are going to do that.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/trump-tries-spin-shutdown-deal-victory-getting-no-border-wall-funding/

  7. Mueller has Roger Stone ‘in a vise’: MSNBC legal analyst explains why top Trump confidante could flip

    Former federal prosecutor and MSNBC legal analyst Cynthia Alksne said Friday that President Donald Trump’s longtime confidante Roger Stone was “in a vise” and had some hard decisions to make as the 66-year old political dirty trickster faces potential prison time.

    The special counsel’s office “didn’t get over their skis in this indictment. It is tight and controlled and provable, and it puts Roger Stone in a difficult position,” Alksne said. “He’s not in a place where he can say ‘those documents aren’t mine.’”

    Alksne said that Stone would be sunk by his own texts and emails, which proved he had lied in television appearances and, worse, to Congress.

    “They’ve got him in a vise,” she said. “He’s going to have make a decision what’s in his interest and his family’s best interest at this point in his life.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/mueller-has-roger-stone-in-a-vice-msnbc-legal-analyst-explains-why-top-trump-confidante-could-flip/

  8. The Smoking Guns Are Sitting Out in the Open

    Roger Stone’s indictment would have packed more of a wallop if his ties to WikiLeaks hadn’t been obvious since the 2016 campaign.

    Make no mistake: Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s indictment of Roger Stone, released early Friday morning, is a big deal. It’s just that it would be a bigger deal if the Trump campaign hadn’t so brazenly conducted its dubious dealings for all the public to see in real time.

    Stone, a longtime friend and associate of Trump’s, allegedly served as a conduit between the Trump campaign and WikiLeaks.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/roger-stone-trump-campaign-wikileaks-plain-sight/581269/?utm_content=edit-promo&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_medium=social&utm_term=2019-01-25T16%3A43%3A53

  9. beguiledagain

    Has there ever been a more cringe-worthy television event than tonight’s Australian of the Year awards. Who on earth came up with this concept of a televised Academy Awards for worthy Australians with Scott Morrison opening the envelopes. Oh, I forgot. It’s run by the Office of the Prime Minister and Cabinet.


    The idea that nominees from the Northern Territory or the ACT should have to compete against New South Wales and Victoria, for example, is ludicrous. Rather than uniting Australians, this sets up a winners and losers situation. How can these worthy endeavours be judged like an event in the Olympics.

    Thank you for your excellent critique of the Morrison Show. After the heat of the day I fell asleep early and missed it, and now I’m glad I did.

  10. Tea Pain‏ @TeaPainUSA 

    Maybe Trump callin’ Steve Bannon “Sloppy Steve” wasn’t Trump’s best move?

    Brian Krassenstein‏ @krassenstein

    We now officially have a direct link between The Russian Hacked emails, Wikileaks, Roger Stone & Senior Trump Campaign official (Steve Bannon).

    The Missing link?

    Steve Bannon’s communications with Trump.

    Bannon is likely cooperating.

  11. Given this keen interest in her possible departure, there are three reasons why Julie Bishop won’t do so yet.

    She is resisting being succeeded by a man. Ms Bishop has been vocal in recent times about the lack of women in the Liberal Party and she won’t want to be responsible for reducing that number even further. If and when she leaves, it will be for a female candidate.
    Ms Bishop is part of the ‘moderate’ or progressive faction within the Liberal Party, while the men who are interested in taking over her electorate are factional rivals from the right-wing or conservative faction. Additionally, these are also the men whose plot to tear down the former prime minister, Malcolm Turnbull, simultaneously brought an end to her time in the leadership team.
    If the Victorian state election is any indication, Liberal voters may be ready to demand more moderate/progressive policies from the party. That would require a different type of Liberal leader to the right-wing Scott Morrison (or even more right-wing Tony Abbott) in the post-election environment.
    A popular and experienced moderate leader such as Julie Bishop could be just what an outdated, rejected and depleted Liberal Party would need to make it relevant again to the majority of Australian voters.

    While it might have looked different when she first resigned from the Cabinet, Julie Bishop’s leadership aspirations aren’t dead – they’re just sleeping. The outcome of the May election will determine whether her time in the Liberal Party has ended, or awakened to whole new future.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/01/25/julie-bishop-wont-resign/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Saturday%20News%20-%2020190126

  12. William

    I’m sorry, statements like that need to contain at least one gratuitous insult, along the lines of “….only a mental pygmy would…’ or ‘…you brainwashed non-thinkers might…’ and at least two words in unnecessary caps.

  13. The problem with the LNP isn’t a woman problem as such…
    What they need is more kinder, gentler, sociopaths
    to con the public into voting for their vicious agenda 😡

  14. zoomster @ #15 Saturday, January 26th, 2019 – 7:14 am

    William

    I’m sorry, statements like that need to contain at least one gratuitous insult, along the lines of “….only a mental pygmy would…’ or ‘…you brainwashed non-thinkers might…’ and at least two words in unnecessary caps.

    Are we talking about DA BOSS or one of the Green’s trolls? 🙂

  15. for the life of me, I can’t see Julie Bishop putting in the hard yards to build up a team. she is an individual. she has spent the last decade as a party animal, maybe there wasn’t any other role for her in the current Liberal party.

    I am not sure she was a wonderful Foreign Minister, after a rocky start she was smart enough to read her briefs

    I reckon the next to jump ship, if he can find a golden parachute is Victorian Micheal Sukkar

  16. billie

    JulieB has a cruel streak, which she shows in her ‘humorous speeches’ to Party faithful. She may be a ‘moderate’ in Lib eyes, but not mine.

  17. Good morning Dawn Patrollers.

    One by one Trump’s spivvy associates are being picked off by Mueller.
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/trump-s-longtime-ally-roger-stone-arrested-in-russia-probe-20190126-p50trw.html
    And one by one Coalition ministers and MPs are reading the tea leaves and quitting.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/major-blow-for-liberal-party-as-michael-keenan-announces-he-s-quitting-politics-20190125-p50trn.html
    Trump has just capitulated to Democrats by agreeing to re-open the US government without securing any money for a wall on the border with Mexico.
    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/world/north-america/trump-surrenders-to-democrats-ends-government-shutdown-20190126-p50ts2.html
    The Australian tells us that Morrison has spent two hours meeting Craig Laundy in a bid to convince him to recontest his seat, as Turnbull backer mulls his future.
    https://outline.com/BEMTn3
    The Saturday Paper editorial says that Morrison governs in a sitcom with too few writers.
    https://outline.com/WCRJVV
    Peter van Onselen writes that the PM can’t heal the ailing right. He says that while Bill Shorten has shown an adroitness in managing tensions within his factional ranks, the union movement and in negotiating with the Greens, the divisions on the conservative side are far more debilitating.
    https://outline.com/qJzPvN
    Martin McKenzie-Murray outlines how senior Liberals are fearing election chaos.
    https://outline.com/uHdWSF
    Michael Koziol says that Scott Morrison personally courted the Indigenous businessman for months, but he may have gotten more than he bargained for.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/asset-or-liability-liberals-gamble-on-wildcard-warren-mundine-in-gilmore-20190125-p50tlq.html
    Laura Tingle thinks it’s beginning to feel a like it did in 2013.
    https://outline.com/VtVZ67
    Crispin Hull says Bill Shorten is playing good politics with National Hydrogen Innovation Hub.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/bill-shorten-plays-good-politics-with-national-hydrogen-innovation-hub-20190124-p50tim.html
    Paul Bongiorno goes to town on Morrison’s endeavours.
    https://outline.com/nUDbaL
    Liberal values in Europe face a challenge “not seen since the 1930s”, leading intellectuals from 21 countries have said, as the UK lurches towards Brexit and nationalists look set to make sweeping gains in EU parliamentary elections.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/25/europe-coming-apart-before-our-eyes-say-30-top-intellectuals
    The AFR outlines what bankers dread will come in Hayne’s final report.
    https://outline.com/3HHbYD
    But mortgage brokers and smaller lenders are set to escape a major government crackdown in response to the royal commission into financial services.
    https://outline.com/5t7Ygz
    Zoe Williams laments that the anti-vaccine message is now a staple of social media, dovetailing with climate-change denial and other right wing causes.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/25/anti-vaxxers-social-media-vaccine-climate-change
    Eryk Bagshaw reports that more than 1 million Australians have had their name and address added to the electoral roll and then automatically passed to global marketing giants without their knowledge. FFS!
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/details-of-1-million-australians-added-to-giant-marketing-database-without-their-knowledge-20190125-p50tnz.html
    Jack Latimore writes that Scott Morrison’s costly James Cook project is a colonial wet dream.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/25/scott-morrisons-costly-james-cook-project-is-a-colonial-wet-dream
    Nick O’Malley reviews what was said at the World Economic Forum and what it means to Australian politics.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/davos-global-disruption-inequality-and-the-australia-election-20190125-p50tph.html
    Jess Irvine explains what a China slowdown means to the Australian economy.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/what-will-a-china-slowdown-mean-for-the-australian-economy-20190125-p50tlx.html
    Chris Johnson writes about urban planning in NSW and says we need to rewrite the reasons for community participation to be about shaping the future local character rather than preserving the existing character.
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/community-participation-could-stop-change-20190124-p50tfr.html
    Stam Grant says his bit about Australia Day and what it means.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/in-our-land-not-yet-won-who-are-we-australians-20190124-p50ti8.html
    Richard Glover poses some funny questions to consider on Australia Day.
    https://www.smh.com.au/opinion/richard-glover-why-do-we-pretend-to-be-dopey-the-big-australia-day-questions-20190122-h1acke.html
    Jack Waterford writes that Shorten should embrace moving ahead with a process to establish Australia as a republic.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/shorten-could-own-australia-day-20190125-p50tkx.html
    The Australia Institute’s Ebony Bennett writes bout Australia Day, the hotter climate and eater woes.
    https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/australia-we-have-bigger-issues-to-tackle-than-boardies-and-thongs-20190125-p50tpj.html
    Karen Middleton explains how the death of hundreds of thousands of fish in the Murray-Darling Basin was unprecedented, but it was not without warning.
    https://outline.com/hgp89K
    News that the Morrison government is aiming a last minute “cash splash” for pensioners and low income earners in the run-up to the May election has been panned by economists and interest groups.
    https://thenewdaily.com.au/money/finance-news/2019/01/25/government-budget-pensioner-vote/
    The Guardian uncovers more problems with My Health Record.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jan/25/my-health-record-government-warned-of-significant-patient-data-glitch
    Fashion police will not be inspecting the attire of Australia’s newest citizens on Saturday, despite the PM’s recent edict.
    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/dress-standards-won-t-be-enforced-at-australia-day-ceremonies-20190125-p50tl8.html
    Jeff Kennett says an Australia Day law is a bad idea, we should instead focus on changing the date.
    https://outline.com/ntbvrG
    The agency in charge of Australia’s most important and complex river system should be broken up as part of a major overhaul to protect the Murray-Darling basin and save taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars, the Productivity Commission says.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jan/25/murray-darling-basin-authority-should-be-broken-up-to-protect-system-review-finds
    Patrick Hatch explains how Apple’s Aussie profits grew but its tax bill went down.
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/apple-s-aussie-profits-grew-but-its-tax-bill-went-down-20190125-p50tnx.html
    French businesses working with British contractors or suppliers should now be actively seeking out alternatives, the French government has said, as it further ramped up preparations for a no-deal Brexit that it sees as increasingly likely.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/25/france-advises-firms-with-uk-ties-to-prepare-for-no-deal-brexit
    The newly-appointed Mining Council CEO Tania Constable has been championing nuclear power at a time when we should be discussing renewables, writes Noel Wauchope.
    https://independentaustralia.net/environment/environment-display/australias-coal-and-nuclear-lobbies-have-just-recruited-a-new-puppet,12313
    AMP’s profit downgrade and slashing of its final dividend sparked swift investor backlash on Friday but analysts warn the situation is likely to worsen for the wealth giant before it gets better.
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/troubles-far-from-over-for-amp-warn-analysts-20190125-p50tpr.html
    Alex McKinnon reports that indigenous women are being jailed over small fines at alarming rates. In Western Australia, one charity has crowdfunded hundreds of thousands of dollars in just weeks to secure their release.
    https://outline.com/ZZPSZf
    Adam Carey reports on how Victoria’s frail energy grid was exposed on a day of record heat and demand.
    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/victoria-s-frail-energy-grid-exposed-on-day-of-record-heat-and-demand-20190125-p50tqr.html
    The corporate watchdog ASIC says asset valuation is a trouble spot after reviewing the books of 215 key companies and public entities.
    https://outline.com/xDh8Lh
    Farmer and firefighter Vivien Thomson compellingly writes about the invisible cost of Australia’s bushfires.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/the-invisible-cost-of-australia-s-bushfires-20190123-p50t47.html
    Sally Whyte reports that federal public servants who wish to give evidence to the national workplace sexual harassment inquiry are faced with an extra barrier imposed by the Secretaries Board, against the advice of the Sex Discrimination Commissioner.
    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/politics/federal/public-servants-must-clear-extra-hurdle-to-speak-to-sex-harassment-inquiry-20190124-p50tbz.html
    Mike Seccombe writes on how companies are increasingly using advertising to persuade consumers of their social responsibility as much as to spruik their products, in a high-risk strategy known as ‘purposeful marketing’. The yearly lamb ads are a prime example.
    https://outline.com/UX2jTt
    Ford announced on Thursday that 40 salaried employees, 75 hourly workers and 90 contractors will cease to be employed by the company as of April this year.
    https://outline.com/sAgnXY
    Dean Jones hits the nail on the head in saying that selectors are the biggest problem in Australian cricket.
    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/selectors-are-the-biggest-problem-in-australian-cricket-20190124-p50tfk.html

    Cartoon Corner

    Another Trump shocker from David Rowe.
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxvJafxVsAENrmB/jpg
    From Matt Golding.




    Alan Moir with Trump’s STOTO address.

    Mark David outfits Morrison for Australia Day.

    Peter Broelman and circumnavigation.

    A rare even-handed effort from Zanetti.

    From Sean Leahy.

    From the US




  18. William from previous thread:

    “Michael Keenan to quit politics. A shame, as I was hoping to see him lose.”

    I too am unhappy at the looming mass retirements of RWNJs. It lacks a certain resolution , even if following election loses by the LNP partly make up for it. Personally, I’m with the Big Boy Caprice approach to problem resolution:

    https://youtu.be/wV-Z2hEQV7Q

  19. Has this rumor been noticed yet ?

    “Scott Morrison and Michael McCormack will be having a press conference at 10:30AM tues the 29th,Likely election announcement.”, speculation from a staffer (on progressive side) i think.

    Calling it around Australia Day has been speculated as a possible day before.

    Would make election 9th March i think, that would be a bit short of 6 weeks campaign (not sure what the minimum is), 2 weeks before NSW election, past February (fire danger).

    Its before the budget though.

  20. Dan Gulberry

    Organization 1 in the indictment is believed to be WikiLeaks
    The head of ‘Organization 1’ is believed to be Julian Assange,

    Some dynamite revelations alright 🙂

  21. Good Morning Bludgers 🙂

    I ache all over! But in a good way.

    I wonder how the Russian media has reported Roger Stone’s indictment? If I were Vladimir Putin, no matter the amount of chutzpah I would publicly summon up, I would inwardly be thinking that the jig was up. Just as well Russia isn’t a signatory to the International Criminal Court. They could have made life very difficult for Vlad, once the full story of his aiding and abetting Treason in America sees the light of day. Plus a myriad of other things I can think of.

    Still, if not actual imprisonment, he will now be suffering the virtual imprisonment of having the world watch his every move. And I don’t think even Donald Trump would be stupid enough to willingly facilitate his malign intent any more.

    And how would the government of Ecuador be feeling today? Not harbouring a Freedom Fighter but an international criminal?

  22. DanG,
    The Nationals would surely have to be about to put up Fiona Simson to run against Barnaby Joyce, wouldn’t they? I can’t see how Morrison’s tricky move to endorse all Sitting Liberal Members would cover Joyce and prevent the Nats running a candidate in that seat?

  23. C@tmomma @ #32 Saturday, January 26th, 2019 – 7:11 am

    Good Morning Bludgers 🙂

    I ache all over! But in a good way.

    I wonder how the Russian media has reported Roger Stone’s indictment? If I were Vladimir Putin, no matter the amount of chutzpah I would publicly summon up, I would inwardly be thinking that the jig was up. Just as well Russia isn’t a signatory to the International Criminal Court. They could have made life very difficult for Vlad, once the full story of his aiding and abetting Treason in America sees the light of day. Plus a myriad of other things I can think of.

    Still, if not actual imprisonment, he will now be suffering the virtual imprisonment of having the world watch his every move. And I don’t think even Donald Trump would be stupid enough to willingly facilitate his malign intent any more.

    And how would the government of Ecuador be feeling today? Not harbouring a Freedom Fighter but an international criminal?

    Now Cat

    I have bee waiting and waiting but not a single one of you formn the russia eeeeeeeeeeeekkkkkk! brigade have made even a whisker of a comment.

    Now Russia may or may not have interfered in US democracy and I think we can all agree that that was wrong and the US has the right tpo stop it.

    Okay. But now there is that little matter of Venezuela. USA is not just interfering but publicly supporting the opposition who LOST the election. You know supporting the guy loved by the rich exploiters against the darling of the poor.

    I am awaiting the loud and furious condemnation by you cat, by Phoenic, Victoria, Barney Guytaur and the rest of the mob. How dare the US interfere in another countries democratic processes. After all it makes a few internet posts seem just a tad mild eh what.

  24. “Would make election 9th March i think, that would be a bit short of 6 weeks campaign (not sure what the minimum is), 2 weeks before NSW election, past February (fire danger).”

    Most likely March 2, the earliest possible date. Minimum campaign is 33 days. A poster here pointed out that the following weekend is a long weekend in Victoria.

  25. Outline is not working for me any more.
    ______
    Don
    Outline can be a bit fractious at times. I had trouble this morning but I found that if you start it from scratch again and retry with the link it usually does the trick.

  26. William Bowe says:
    Saturday, January 26, 2019 at 7:06 am

    Organization 1 in the indictment is believed to be WikiLeaks

    I’m not convinced.

    Wayne has pinched gods account.

  27. Lizzie @7.29am

    Quite right about Ms Bishop
    1. Hard worker who will put in Coalition “restoration” work? No
    2. Talented leader and policy developer? No
    3. Moderate capable of peacemaking in and out of party? No (claws expert)

    So I hope she becomes LOTO because she is useless.

  28. Im sceptical about this Joyce as a Liberal for New England plan. This would totally upset the Coalition agreement to not run against each other. I call baloney.

  29. if Joyce doesn’t run at the national party candidate for new england

    I am not saying this is going to happen but , if the nsw state election is held before the federal election . the nsw libs/nat coalition lose office , the northern Tablelands member Adam Marshall who is national party but has more green allegiance than the national party , could then run as the federal national party candidate ?

  30. daretotread,
    Could you stop being a smart arse, just for one day!?!

    Now, if you really knew your stuff about Russia, and Venezuela, you would know that Russia are supporting Maduro, and own all of Venezuela’s Oil assets. America are supporting the Opposition Leader in Venezuela. So I’d just watch this space if I were you, instead of issuing your usual and predictable Putin apologia. With a side-serving of snark at those of us who haven’t been bewitched by Putin’s pecs as you appear to have been. 🙂

  31. Barnaby Joyce

    Things go really well for Victoria’s energy requirements since they shut Hazelwood. Today they were importing power from SA. Maybe they were utilising SA’s new diesel generators.

    Chorus of voices in reply on Twitter.
    “idiot”.

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