The fortnightly Essential Research poll for The Guardian has Labor’s two-party lead down from 52-48 to 51-49. Primary votes will have to wait for the publication of the full results later today. A series of findings on energy policy offer something for everybody. Eighty per cent favoured an inquiry into the contribution of power companies to high power prices; 63% thought energy companies should be returned to public ownership; 61% believing burning coal causes climate change; and 55% thought expanding coal mining would undermine efforts to address it. However, 47% thought coal-fired power cheaper than that from renewables; 40% supported the call by some Nationals for $5 billion to be spent on coal plants, with 38% opposed. Thirty-eight per cent thought the government should prioritise renewables over coal, 16% thought the opposite, and 34% thought they should be treated equally.
UPDATE: Full report from Essential Research here.
This is what happens when governments and semi-governments organisations become obsessed with the economic mantra of cost recovery.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/ambulance-victoria-orders-debt-collectors-not-to-chase-good-samaritans-20180720-p4zsqs.html
If I was the minister responsible I would want the ambulance service to find out whose idea it was to do this and stand those people up in public to explain why they thought it was a good idea, have them apologise and then sack them.
Sprocket
My Mum is watching that game. I just asked her if one team was half a match quarter late getting onto the ground.
Rossmcg @ #2051 Friday, July 20th, 2018 – 6:46 pm
Did you see this report earlier today about the varying ambulance fees across the country?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-20/ambulance-fees-around-australia/10015172
I had no idea this was the case.
Sprocket
I am no fan of the AFL hierarchy but when they did the fixture nearly a year ago few would have thought Richmond would possibly be better than they were last year and the many pundits who thought St Kilda would be big improvers would be so wrong.
Edit: and St Kilda won last years “Maddies Match” by 10 goals
Professor… blushing.
I can remember a couple years ago Carlton was scheduled for nearly every Friday night match only for our games to end up a cakewalk to our opponents. The logic from AFL seemed to be that we were improving, therefore proved a viable contester for peak viewing periods. Alas it was not to be.
Prof. Higgins
Re Bushfire. He makes/made anamorphic lenses for projectors and stuff for home theatres. The crazy but beautiful Bludger lounge’s nature was epitomised for me when a flame war broke out over anamorphic lenses. Ya gotta love PB and the things that get our denizens blood up. Long may it continue 🙂
Ummm, Shellbell, did you leave out a “not” in your post about CFMEU v Boral? The Court held that contempt proceedings were civil in nature, despite the fact that they were “accusatory”.
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For David Rowe fans
“a flame war broke out over anamorphic lenses”
o, them things… yaeh
Can’t they banish these boring matches to one of their other channels and put on re-runs of Midsomer Murders?
Oops. That won’t work, MM would be ruined by adverts.
Puffy, The Magic Dragon @ #2034 Friday, July 20th, 2018 – 6:19 pm
We already have them. They’re collectively known as The National Party.
Thanks Mari, I had to really look at that Rowe. I think he’s referencing the second Trump-Putin summit.
And so much to see: the building names in the background, the disposed coffee cup littering the sidewalk (is it a Maccas logo or a Trump Tower logo?), the discarded newspaper clippings.
Puffy
“The Hitchhiker’s Guide To The Galaxy” got the answer years ago. Go to 1:20 min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAF35dekiAY
It isn’t accurate to use the term “expansionist” to describe Russia’s actions in Georgia in 2008 and Ukraine in 2014. Both interventions secured existing strategic interests for Russia. Those military interventions didn’t expand anything – they just stopped an existing strategic interest from slipping away. In 2004 Georgia elected a president who wanted his country to join the EU, which Russia reasonably considers a stalking horse for eventual NATO membership. How can Russia realistically be expected to tolerate the loss of a buffer state between itself and the Middle East? In 2014 Ukraine changed from a basically pro-Russian regime to a pro-western regime. Why would anyone with knowledge of geopolitical realities expect Russia to accept loss of control of Sevastapol, its only warm water port? All of its ports on the Arctic and Pacific Oceans are frozen for several months every year. Furthermore, Crimea in Ukraine and South Ossetia and Abkhazia in Georgia are regions with majority Russian populations (because of Stalin’s policy of strategically placing large Russian minorities in every Soviet satellite state). When Russian forces invaded those areas, they were pushing against an open door. The people who live in those regions overwhelmingly align themselves with Russia rather than the pro-EU and pro-NATO regimes that nominally governed them.
All the grandiose talk about who is and who isn’t a thug, the relative degrees of corruption of the various leaders, which country has the worst human rights record, and which country is the better exemplar of democracy etc is just a rhetorical smokescreen to obscure the strategic interests at stake. Foreign policy is not primarily about values or ideas – it is about strategic interests that relate to geographical and climatic factors such as how much fertile land a nation has, whether it can feed itself, whether it is naturally defended by mountains or swamps or tundras, whether it possesses or has easy access to natural resources, whether it can access oceans. Statements about values and ideas are used as pretexts to justify decisions made for geopolitical reasons.
You are being discursive. And toying with nomenclature. And it has succeeded. Aided by my ever shortening attention span I now have no idea what the original point of the discussion was.
I don’t know what to say. Freed as slaves but still forced to work, what the fuck was/is the matter with humans?
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/18/us/bodies-found-construction-site-slavery-trnd/index.html?utm_term=image&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2018-07-18T23%3A44%3A01&utm_source=twCNN
Hello Propellor Cap Boy.
“Both interventions secured existing strategic interests for Russia. Those military interventions didn’t expand anything – they just stopped an existing strategic interest from slipping away.”
Just like the sudentenland then. …
Jack Aranda
Criminal in nature conducted under civil court rules
Nicholas
Apart from the warm water port bit Sevastopol has been Russian for a few centuries and several hundred thousand Russian casualties defending it against the Pomgolians and Nazis makes it not just a little bit of land.
Propeller Cap Boy wisdom:
“Foreign policy is not primarily about values or ideas – it is about strategic interests that relate to geographical and climatic factors such as how much fertile land a nation has, whether it can feed itself, whether it is naturally defended by mountains or swamps or tundras, whether it possesses or has easy access to natural resources, whether it can access oceans. Statements about values and ideas are used as pretexts to justify decisions made for geopolitical reasons.”
Sounds a lot like the justification of Generalplan Ost #Lebensrum.
It’s amazeballs the lengths that ‘the Left’ will go to give mother Russia the benefit of the doubt. A hangover of their Soviet fetish of times past.
@poroti
Plus Crimea was a part of Russia (well the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic) until 1954 when it was transferred to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic.
Oh , I dont know, maybe…. the principle of Westphalian state sovereignty? Or…the UN Charter?
It’s all the fault of those countries which aren’t Russian not doing what Russia wants. It means Russia has no choice but to take them over.
UN Charter Simon. Mere Grandiose talk, when compared to geopolitical blahdeblah multisylabic pomposity excuse making for Mother Russia.
I do not know much about Russia or its neighbouring states, but I would not hail it as a paragon of benevolent government.
I can’t see how any of their elections could be called fair (nor some of those in the USA, for that matter.)
Journalists locked up or killed, dissidents persecuted, human rights abuses, meddling in democratic processes of The West countries; how can any of that be defended?
zoomster
Funnily enough the Libyans, Iraqis, Iranians and a host of other nations had the same problem with the Septic Tanks.
poroti @ #2079 Friday, July 20th, 2018 – 10:04 pm
Moral Equivalence doesn’t suit you, poroti.
Who is Propeller Cap Boy? I’ve seen this screen name referenced in comments but can’t find an actual commenter with this name.
Trumpists will find a way. Just watch.
Confessions @ #2079 Friday, July 20th, 2018 – 10:10 pm
I assumed it was a derisory term for poroti, but who knows…
C@tmomma
What is good for the goose is surely good for the gander ? Besides there is no moral equivalence. The USA fucked those countries for no good reason. End of.
In the last 20 years we, along with the US of A , have embarked on wars causing millions of casualties and tens of millions of people to flee their homes. Putin is a ruthless prick but when it comes to fucking peoples’ live we are waaay ahead of him in the casualty count.
Historical ownership and ethnic composition has no role (zero!) once territory has been established and legitimate government exists. Firstly, Russia only had control over these regions through expansionism – more often than not violent expansionism. So how far back do you go? Determining sovereign bounds under such nebulous terms is dangerous.
South Ossetia may seem complicated but that is only because Russia made it so, festering discontent for decades. And lets not forget, 300,000 Georgians were displaced in that war (and a couple of hundred thousand from Abkhazia) – hardly what you would call a ethnically pure Russian enclaves.
No, South Ossetia wasnt about reclaiming rightful territory, it was about putting an upstart (a dumb one at that) in his place, a warning shot to other countries and a middle finger to the West.
Poroti, I have long been outraged by US hegemony (and not just tanks and guns but economic bullying too), and I am also outraged when Russia does it.
Propellor Cap Boy is young Nicholas
So western powers don’t interfere in any other states when their strategic interests are at stake? Good to know. That will be news to the Middle East, East Asia, South Asia, South America. Will you give them the good news or shall I?
I wonder if you understand that many states exist in name only, which is why they are so prone to civil war or to having regions where the people welcome another state’s armed forces.
What happened in Georgia in 2008 and Ukraine in 2014 is far more complex than “Putin’s a thug”.
If you are going to use the term “expansionist”, which has a precise meaning in foreign policy, learn how to use it correctly. It is not expansionist when a state acts to preserve something (a buffer zone, a warm water port etc) that it already has.
Andrew_Earlwood @ #2085 Friday, July 20th, 2018 – 10:21 pm
Grow up Andrew.
Okay, then, they are all arskeholes.
Which is probably true.
Sexy Rexy. Have a crack at moving past anti labor slogans.
I think propeller Cap Boy suits young Nicholas perfectly.
Simon² Katich®
On that we are on a unity ticket. Sadly empires do what empires do 🙁
Every country which has ever invaded another country at any time in history has had excellent reasons for its actions.
That doesn’t mean their actions were justified, or that they shouldn’t be criticised for them.
Tim Marshall’s book Prisoners of Geography provides an excellent introduction to geopolitics. There is a chapter devoted to Russia.
http://oceanofpdf.com/pdf-epub-prisoners-of-geography-ten-maps-that-tell-you-everything-you-need-to-know-about-global-politics-download/
Simon² Katich® @ #2073 Friday, July 20th, 2018 – 9:55 pm
Simon
You mean like the protection Iraq got from the UN, the protection Liya got form the UN.
Oooh yes. i can just see that.
It is possible that Russia and Russians are paranoid but they REALLY believe that they are under threat from the US and UK in particular. It is not just idle thinking or posing. In 2015 they held civil defenceexercises involving 40 million people.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-nuclear-weapon-training-attack-radiation-moscow-vladimir-putin-a7345461.html
NOTE THAT 40 MILLION
Now NO country does that sort of exercise unless most of the civilian and military planners think it is a good idea. That it is needed. It is not a propaanda exercise when you involve 40 Million people. Propaganda exercised involve 200-1000 people,mostly the services and maybes hospital. Exercises involving 40 million people are civil defense. So what do they fear if not the USA and NATO. China possibly but unlikely.
They have reason to be worried. I have no doubt whatsoever that the USA would destroy Russia if they thought they could. . Every single action taken by the US and NATO to encircle Russia is seen by Russians as a threat.
You can argue they are paranoid but that still does not mean they should not take every possible action to defend themselves.
So if you accept that Russia is genuinely scared of the USA then every action becomes rational and explicable. Georgia, Crimea and Ukraine and Syria. Also preferring Trump.
You must know also that the big influence of Putin was Serbia. it happened while he worked for Yeltsin and Russians felt betrayed by the USA and the Clintons in particular. Serbia was a Russian ally. they were bombed to smithereens. Now the Kosovo situation was EXACTLY analogous to Crimea. If Kosovo was allowed to secede from Serbia there is no reason for anyone to complain about Crimea. there was far more bloodshed, foreign (US) forces enforcing that separation than in Crimea.
So you cannot have it both ways. Once the US supported the Kosovo exit they really cannot is good conscience fail to accept Crimea.
If I were the president of Russia I would most certainly do everything in my power to have moderately friendly buffer states along my border. If Barack Obama was the President or Mother Theresa they would do the same thing.
Indeed what are we here in Australia doing right now in the Solomon islands and in Vanuatu. We are acting to block China. For the first time in 60 years we are just a teensy bit worried. Watch us behave just like Russia. It is power politics and it is to be expected everywhere. Watch what the US is doing to Venezuela.
Oh, goodie. Propeller Cap Boy has read a book on Geopolitics. He’s now an expert on the subject.
Remind me again. What have you actually ever done in your life?
Yep I was right about the Trumpists crawling out to defend Russia.
Oh come on. Neither were failed states.
Crimea is more complex and less knowledgeable to me and I have been careful to avoid commenting on it. But interference in Ukraine in general is obvious, not even accounting for other military incursions.
They are festering in Bulgaria too. Worried about that? What about Macedonia?
I remember the euphoria of the end of the Cold War. The end of that terrible international gamesmanship. Yes the US continued it, but with US influence on the decline foreign policy liberalism is available to Russia and I am saddened they are not taking it.
Criticising a regional power for doing the same thing that any regional power would do in that situation is a waste of time.
It is more useful to focus on those topics where there are mutually rewarding agreements to be made. Expecting Russia to be okay with losing its only only warm water port and its buffer against the Middle East “because UN Charter” or “because Westphalia” is naive and silly. No regional power puts the UN Charter above its own viability as a state.
Western powers don’t base their foreign policies on the UN charter or the Treaty of Westphalia. They identify their interests and do what they can to advance them. All global and regional powers do that.
http://johnmenadue.com/richard-butler-russia/
This is relevant to this discussion. You’re not helping the conversation, Andrew Earlwood.
@Puffy
Or the Douglas Adams scenario from The Restaurant at the End of the Universe:
He sat down.
The waiter approached.
‘Would you like to see the menu?’ he said,
‘or would you like meet the Dish of the Day?’
‘Huh?’ said Ford.
‘Huh?’ said Arthur.
‘Huh?’ said Trillian.
‘That’s cool,’ said Zaphod, ‘we’ll meet the meat.’
– snip –
A large dairy animal approached Zaphod Beeblebrox’s table,
a large fat meaty quadruped of the bovine type with
large watery eyes, small horns and what might almost have
been an ingratiating smile on its lips.
‘Good evening’, it lowed and sat back heavily on its haunches,
‘I am the main Dish of the Day. May I interest you in the parts
of my body?’
It harrumphed and gurgled a bit, wriggled its hind quarters in
to a more comfortable position and gazed peacefully at them.
Its gaze was met by looks of startled bewilderment from
Arthur and Trillian, a resigned shrug from Ford Prefect and
naked hunger from Zaphod Beeblebrox.
‘Something off the shoulder perhaps?’ suggested the animal,
‘Braised in a white wine sauce?’
‘Er, your shoulder?’ said Arthur in a horrified whisper.
‘But naturallymy shoulder, sir,’ mooed the animal contentedly,
‘nobody else’s is mine to offer.’
Zaphod leapt to his feet and started prodding and feeling
the animal’s shoulder appreciatively.
‘Or the rump is very good,’ murmured the animal. ‘I’ve been
exercising it and eating plenty of grain, so there’s a lot
of good meat there.’
It gave a mellow grunt, gurgled again and started to chew
the cud. It swallowed the cud again.
‘Or a casselore of me perhaps?’ it added.
‘You mean this animal actually wants us to eat it?’ whispered
Trillian to Ford.
‘Me?’ said Ford, with a glazed look in his eyes, ‘I don’t mean
anything.’
‘That’s absolutely horrible,’ exclaimed Arthur, ‘the most revolting
thing I’ve ever heard.’
‘What’s the problem Earthman?’ said Zaphod, now transfering his
attention to the animal’s enormous rump.
‘I just don’t want to eat an animal that’s standing there
inviting me to,’ said Arthur, ‘It’s heartless.’
‘Better than eating an animal that doesn’t want to be
eaten,’ said Zaphod.
‘That’s not the point,’ Arthur protested. Then he thought about it
for a moment. ‘Alright,’ he said, ‘maybe it is the point. I don’t
care, I’m not going to think about it now. I’ll just … er … I
think I’ll just have a green salad,’ he muttered.
‘May I urge you to consider my liver?’ asked the animal,
‘it must be very rich and tender by now, I’ve been force-feeding
myself for months.’
‘A green salad,’ said Arthur emphatically.
‘A green salad?’ said the animal, rolling his eyes disapprovingly
at Arthur.
‘Are you going to tell me,’ said Arthur, ‘that I shouldn’t have
green salad?’
‘Well,’ said the animal, ‘I know many vegetables that are
very clear on that point. Which is why it was eventually
decided to cut through the whoile tangled problem and breed
an animal that actually wanted to be eaten and was capable of
saying so clearly and distinctly. And here I am.’
It managed a very slight bow.
‘Glass of water please,’ said Arthur.
‘Look,’ said Zaphod, ‘we want to eat, we don’t want to make
a meal of the issues. Four rare stakes please, and hurry.
We haven’t eaten in five hundred and sevebty-six thousand
million years.’
The animal staggered to its feet. It gave a mellow gurgle.
‘A very wise coice, sir, if I may say so. Very good,’ it
said, ‘I’ll just nip off and shoot myself.’
He turned and gave a friendly wink to Arthur.
‘Don’t worry, sir,’ he said, ‘I’ll be very humane.’
It waddled unhurriedly off to the kitchen.
From the book “The Restaurant at the End of the Universe” by Douglas Adams
zoomster @ #2091 Friday, July 20th, 2018 – 10:28 pm
No Zoomster but you could keep a score card. Nationas that have invaded more countries or dropped more bombs over the last 5 years or 10 years.
KPI
How many killed
What tonnage of explosives dropped
How many buildings destroyed
standard of living of population before intervention versus 5 years after
Stability of emerging governemt
Who controls the nation’s wealth.
How many entrenched colonial bases established.
Zoomster do those sums for every powerful country for the last 50 years and let us see what comes up.
I KNOW that the US would get the way way highest score(Vietnam, Grenada, Iraq, Afghanistan, Serbia, Somalia and to the extent they use their own forces not proxies Syria. Followed probably by the UK (Afhanistan, Iraq, Falklands) Libya, Israel (Palestine, Lebanon and Syria) and Saudi (Yemen) and maybe some African countries. Russia would be trivial bikkies. I reckon even Australia would come our with a higher score, given Afghanistan and Iraq. Bloodshed in Ossetia was minimal and non existent in Crimea. Ditto damage to buildings.