After a weekend of relatively good electoral and polling news for the government, Essential Research records Labor’s two-party lead out from 54-46 to 55-45. A preferred Liberal leader question has Malcolm Turnbull down four since July to 21%, Julie Bishop down one to 19% and Tony Abbott unchanged on 10%. More detail on both of these will be available when Essential Research publishes its full results later today. On the question of a potential leadership change, 18% said it would make them more likely to vote Coalition, compared with 13% for less likely and 54% for no difference.
The poll also found 38% wanted the Liberals and Nationals to continue working together, compared with 34% who thought they should be independent – with the former option heavily favoured by Coalition voters. Fifty-four per cent said they favoured majority government, with 25% preferring minor parties holding the balance of power. Fifty-one per cent felt politicians should be forced to resign from parliament if they resigned from their party, with only 24% holding the opposite view.
Yep. Looks like the Prime Pusillanimous is Abstaining again. I can’t spot him.
They took the word gay,they took the word marriage and
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JimmyD,
JimmyD says:
Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 4:17 pm
C@T – I hope his daughter gives him a good whack when he gets home. I think it’s safe to say that his was one analogy that utterly failed to convince.
What I thought was weird was that Andrew Broad was willing to send his 8 year old daughter to anyone’s house to play her electric guitar for them!
Great. Now Andrew Broad is talking about a woman being stoned to death for adultery! In the 21st century!
@bemused
I was curious about your earlier comment about a PM who permitted dual citizenship so I looked it up to see who it was. This is from Wikipedia, admittedly, but it looks as though dual citizenships where the other was automatically granted at birth were never prevented, so most of the cases considered in parliament would still be problematic, as they were British or Commonwealth citizenships conferred due to ancestry.
Link is here, if you’re interested:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_nationality_law#Dual_citizenship
Tony_Burke: Watching this debate is a window into the coalition joint party room.
#auspol
I think it’s better that the RWNJ’s all get a turn to show off their nuttery for the whole nation to see. So may attack ads for the ALP in this lot.
Jackol @ 4.11pm
It’s an interesting empirical question. An issue with MMP in Australia is that, absent a constitutional amendment, the number of members in each State is fixed, so MMP can only be run on a State by State basis, and at that point the balance between constituency and list seats becomes significant, especially in the smaller States.
A bigger problem is that if there are separate ballot papers for the constituency and list members, MMP can be strategically manipulated by two parties in an alliance, essentially by telling supporters (eg through how to vote cards) to vote for the candidate of one of the parties in the constituency seat, but to vote for the other party for the list seats. This happened in Lesotho when they brought in MMP, and caused great bitterness.
Warren’s had enough of all the crap.
Is it just me or is it that the majority of those speaking in support of the amendments appear to be rather insipid specimens?
Marty @ #1755 Thursday, December 7th, 2017 – 4:23 pm
It was mentioned here in recent days and Hawke got the credit for it.
Looking at your link, that may be wrong as it was only from 2002.
This is the RWNJs fucking filibustering for the sake of torturing the majority. We are taking names and will return fire.
BK
They have no soul. :-O
All this MMP vs STV is rubbish. What we need is an auction.
Each vote gets you 1 Democracy Dollar ™.
Each round of the auction proceeds as follows:
Number each participants’ Democracy Dollars, then draw a number from a big hat. The owner of that Democracy Dollar can put an item up for auction, such as any of the 150 HoR electorates, a senate seat (respecting limits by state), or a Ministerial posting.
Then, all parties may bid on that item, whichever party bids the most, loses that many Democracy Dollars and gains that item.
Representatives of individual electorates? check
Proportional? Bigger check than any other system. A party with 51% of the vote doesn’t get 100% of the power.
All votes matter equally? Check
Completely flawless in every way with no way to game the system? Sure!!
joshgnosis: Bill Shorten went up into the public gallery to say hello to Christine Forster, Ian Thorpe, Magda Szubanski and others watching the last bit of the debate
BK
Having to store so much tripe in your head rots the brain.
lizzie @ #1702 Thursday, December 7th, 2017 – 3:57 pm
Also, gives them the chance to replay already endlessly repeated shows like 15 year old episodes of Spicks and Specks in prime time.
What is the point of the ABC?
The parlous state of the NBN does have some positives:
From Hannan of The Australian
‘…
Employers have declared the nation’s apprenticeship system is in “crisis” after apprentice numbers fell by 13,000 in 12 months, and 35 per cent under the Abbott and Turnbull governments.
Seven months after the government announced a $1.5 billion skills funds in the federal Budget, employers said the Coalition had yet to sign “even one” agreement with the states and territories to commence projects needed to increase apprentice numbers.
Figures released today by the National Centre for Vocational Education and Research show the number of apprentices at June 30 this year was 282,000, a 4.7 per cent decline in 12 months.
When Tony Abbott was elected in September 2013, the number of apprentices was 413,145.
…’
Hopefully now that obnoxious Matt Canavan will finally shut up about how Palaszczuk will be a hypocrite and do deals to form govt.
‘C@tmomma says:
Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 4:22 pm
Great. Now Andrew Broad is talking about a woman being stoned to death for adultery! In the 21st century!’
Do not allow your neighbour to throw a leg over in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan. It can still get you stoned to death.
Oh dear poor M.D.
Sometimes karma is good.
Voice Endeavour @ #1762 Thursday, December 7th, 2017 – 3:31 pm
If all parties cooperate, they can game the system.
You need to complete ‘226 + M’ auctions, where M is the number of ministries available. However ‘n’ cooperating participants can exhaust the entire supply of Democracy Dollars™ after only ‘n’ rounds of bidding, and it’s almost certain that ‘n’ is much less than ‘226 + M’ (unless you abolish parties, and hand the Democracy Dollars™ to individual candidates to dispose of individually).
What happens when there are still things to auction, and nothing left to bid with?
Cavanan’s mob will now have to do deals to form an Opposition.
Dan, at least she didn’t blame Shorten for her NBN woes.
However, it is only day 11, which gives her plenty of time to weave Shorten into the story.
bemused @ #1733 Thursday, December 7th, 2017 – 4:12 pm
It would also mean assuming responsibility for their actions which no Greens supporter has ever wanted.
markdreyfusQCMP: .@Turnbullmalcolm has finally entered chamber and is voting for a major change to the #marriageequality bill, which if successful would betray cross-party consensus position and send bill back to the Senate, causing delay. All to appease right faction in his own party.
lanesainty: It fails 60-85. That’s every amendment from the conservative Hastie/Sukkar amendment bloc done.
JUST ONE TO GO NOW.
JulieMcCrossin: Waiting with my wife Melissa for the Marriage Equality vote to give legal recognition to our 2014 New York Marriage. The MPs arguing for discriminatory amendments should gracefully bow out. The future is nigh! ️ @AMEquality @sydneymardigras
@ a r – I would assume that participants would eventually betray one another, and that cooperation of all participants is unlikely.
In your situation, why would the nth participant bet all of their DD on the item? Literally everyone else is broke. They would bet a single DD to win each item remaining.
However, the n-1 th participant will not bid their whole amount, knowing that if they do, then the nth participant gets the rest.
VE – that sounds a lot like the DKP system for divvying up loot in online RPGs, and I have thought it had a lot of merit applied to divvying up the ‘spoils’ of politics.
I think it certainly deserves more thought and simulation to work out how it could be made to work.
Guytaur, did you expect anything else from this pack of degenerate political hyenas?
Another sighting of the Lesser Spotted Jellyback
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“Malcolm Turnbull arrived to vote for that second part of the Andrew Broad amendment.”
Chief background noddy the member for Corangamite’s turn now.
Surely they’ll wrap this up for the evening news?
JB_AU: Today marks the true end of @TonyAbbottMHR’s destructive era. He has lost. Not just on marriage but his horrific, regressive and nasty vision for Australia #auspol #MarriageEquality
PeeBee @ #1775 Thursday, December 7th, 2017 – 1:42 pm
She’s no doubt working on it right now. Just has to work on tying Shorten, SSM, and dole bludgers into it, and she’ll be off and running.
MH
An hour to go. Timing it for live cross during the news?
“Ah, there you are Malcolm! We were getting worried about you.”
So Turnbull will vote 3 times to delay the passing of the ME bill.
Hypocritical wanker!!!!!
🙁 🙁 🙁
Dan and Peebee
She has already written the story. Its just buffering in the upload
If we can get enough people in the Gallery of Parliament we are well on our way to our own version of Shakespeare’s Globe Theatre. Better than the ABC for entertainment.
FFS. After that wank fest with riley and glover that’s me done with abc radio.
lukehopewell: Tony Abbott is trying to tell the public gallery to have a few beers on the House while the Marriage Bill goes back to the Senate. God.
srpeatling: A note on procedure, peeps. When you hear the words “I move the bill be read a third time”, that’s the absolute, final, one that counts vote. It’s a good half an hour or so away. smh.com.au/federal-politi… via @smh
@ adrian,
“What is the point of the ABC?”
Says the guy who clearly has an unhealthy obsession with it.
PeeBee
[Dan, at least she didn’t blame Shorten for her NBN woes.]
She’ll blame Turnbull before she gets around to Shorten.
(It’s fun watching the rabid Coalition supporters at the moment. The RW conservative nutters -v- wishy washy rest is clearly more important to them than the Labor Party.)
smh: NRMA buys Manly Fast Ferry – flags expanded routes to Central Coast and Wollongong ow.ly/zKLB30h4cnr
https://twitter.com/smh/status/938649395138121728
Big A Adrian @ #1795 Thursday, December 7th, 2017 – 4:56 pm
if there wasn’t an ABC, adrian would have to invent it!
I am uncomfortable being in agreement with Pyne.
booleanbach @ #1791 Thursday, December 7th, 2017 – 4:51 pm
I’d like to see real rather metaphoric knives though.