Courtesy of The Guardian, this week’s Essential Research poll has Labor’s two-party lead bouncing back to 54-46, after two weeks at 52-48. Primary votes will have to wait for later. The poll also has particularly interesting supplementary questions this week in relation to the National Broadband Network. Only 24% of respondents expressed support for the Coalition government’s fibre-to-the-node downgrade, compared with 43% who preferred Labor’s abandoned fibre-to-the-premises plan. The network’s failures are attributed to the government by 39%, compared with only 19% for Labor. Fifty-four per cent rated that the NBN would “fail to adequately meet Australia’s future internet requirements”, with 23% saying otherwise. However, 52% thought the NBN had improved their service (presumably where applicable), compared with only 17% who thought it worse and 28% about the same.
Essential Research: 54-46 to Labor
Labor bounces back in the Essential poll after a brief lull, as respondents mark the government down on the National Broadband Network.
This is how Gina wins.
Boerwar
Aren’t you one of those people who are always ranting about how holding the leavers of power is worth any moral sacrifice that entails ? I swear you and many others mention it alot when frothing about the Greens.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/opinion/paul-manafort-indictment-trump.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region®ion=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=0
kylegriffin1: Schiff on MSNBC: Effectively, the Trump camp was made aware last April that the Russian Gov’t possessed thousands of stolen Clinton e-mails.
victoria
“Sally McManus head of ACTU spoke to the DT .”
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Something is afoot if the DT spoke with her , what with Sally being them ‘evil unions’ capo di tutt’i capi . 🙂
Its settled that votes before Barnaby knew he was ineligible are safe. That’s been decided. Votes after someone was known to potentially be ineligible might be worth challenging but the underlying logic behind the former (avoiding political uncertainty) means the odds are against (you’d have to successfully argue that the consequences of allowing such votes to hold are worse than not in terms of fundamental democratic or constitutial principles and you’d have to overcome that Parliament allowed them to continue to sit and vote in that time). I suppose someone probably should challenge just to put the issue to rest.
I think the News Limited papers have really ramped up the Get Malcolm angle. Problem is there is no one who can really unite the right wing of the party and the middle ground of Australia.
Golding on the challenges of the ‘Vested Interests:
🙂
“Something is afoot if the DT spoke with her , what with Sally being them ‘evil unions’ capo di tutt’i capi .
‘fess,
Trump could always pardon these three for their federal crimes. Of course there is the New York state investigation as well, which has been humming alongside the Mueller investigation.
Max Boot adresses it in his NY Daily News article:
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Ignorance is no excuse in law. So interesting to see if that flies when it comes to votes by an illegitimate government.
The point is that Joyce did not do the reasonable steps needed to comply with signing the stat dec of being Aussie citizen.
Do your homework applies here.
Thus three month after eligibility applies. I think there is some clutching at straws by those defending the government.
In every other area of law. Disqualification has consequences.
So yes while outcome is uncertain there is definitely a case to be made about legislation being invalid even when unknown to Joyce by not doing his homework.
@Elau
Who settled it? Who decided it?
It has never previously been decided by the HC, or any other court.
William Bowe @ #65 Tuesday, October 31st, 2017 – 8:39 am
No-one will notice.
White House Aides Privately Admit That Their Spin Is BS And Russia News Really Is That Bad
White House aides are admitting that their own spin should not be believed and that the Manafort indictment and foreign policy adviser George Papadopolous flipping to cooperate with the FBI is very bad.
If people who work in the White House weren’t terrified before, they are now. The Manafort indictment was expected for months, but the fact that the FBI arrested and flipped a Trump adviser should have anyone who worked with the Trump campaign or works in the White House currently, freaked out.
There is no way to spin this. The fact that the White House is trying to distance Trump from both Manafort and Papadopolous is telling. The move from this is a nothing burger story to Trump wasn’t close to Manafort and Papadopolous is gigantic.
http://www.politicususa.com/2017/10/30/white-house-aides-privately-admit-spin-bs-russia-news-bad.html
Trog Sorrenson @ #14 Tuesday, October 31st, 2017 – 7:15 am
He he. You get sucked in every time, don’t you?
C@t:
It could still happen though. And I’ll believe Republicans are up for the task of impeachment when I see it actually unfolding.
The Beersheba Bullshit Charge in on! Some of the stuff on the Teev is incredible.
Confessions
C@t:
It could still happen though. And I’ll believe Republicans are up for the task of impeachment when I see it actually unfolding.
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It is still not sure, on this Day 1, how many Republicans are also in Robert Muellers sights – it has been suggested that Pence, Ryan, Sessions, McConnell ……. may have some explaining to do …..
daretotread @ #81 Tuesday, October 31st, 2017 – 9:03 am
So many errors, apart from the spelling atrocities.
One howler: “…the USA is a federation…”.
Rubbish, it is a Union.
Trog Sorrenson @ #74 Tuesday, October 31st, 2017 – 8:50 am
Jeez, is it “comedy hour” on PB?
dtt
How much support Trump has is irrelevant. If he has broken the law, he should be held accountable.
It doesn’t matter if every other member of Congress has broken exactly the same law, either (but it’s highly unlikely that they have, because the same processes which are currently operating for Trump’s administration would have kicked in by now).
As I posted for your edification the other day, at the commencement of the Watergate investigations, Nixon’s support was stratospheric compared to Trump’s. Over the course of the investigation, he lost popularity. When he resigned in disgrace, he had the same levels of support Trump has now.
Trump is starting off on a very low support base. Things can only get worse for him.
I would be interested to know at what level of support you believe it would be OK to pursue Trump – can he be indicted if his level of support amongst Republicans declines to less than 70%, for example?
As for the big picture, you’re the one who is ignoring in favour of using the prism of ‘I supported Trump’ to colour your vision.
This from JOURNALIST Jenna Price is damning of of our ‘Main Stream Media’…
“What I’m about to write will be of zero interest to other journalists – they all know it’s happening. But maybe you, too, should know how politicians try to control a story by giving it to their preferred outlets first or by talking to journalists who won’t challenge them. It’s not illegal but this control of the narrative gets in the way of voters knowing the facts. As we all saw last week, it can be hard to ignore the drama of a raid on a union headquarters, even if the raid later proves to be unnecessary.
A “drop” to a preferred outlet also ensures that, because reporters turn the story over quickly, they are more likely to respond to the story as it is first told – although, to be fair, not this time. This time, we’re all writing about the abuse of process and how we were all misled by Cash’s statements in estimates last week. (And, shockingly, by comments her staff made to reporters. Actual lies to reporters asking where the media leak came from. Furious emails from someone at the Fair Work Ombudsman’s office trying to stop the stories.)”
Political ‘journalists’ in this country actively collude with politicians to not just keep the facts/truth from us ..but to mis-represent the facts/truth in order to assist the promulgation of falsehoods which help those politicians to get away with their blatant lies. This in a representative democracy is totally unacceptable & it’s high time our senior political journos put their corrupt house in order..
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/awu-raid-wasnt-the-only-time-michaelia-cashs-office-manipulated-the-media-20171030-gzayyd.html
Now we have the name of the ‘Professor’ in the UK who shopped the dirt from Hillary Clinton’s hacked emails to George Papadopoulos:
Cornered rat denies knowing anythink! 🙂
https://www.thedailybeast.com/professor-denies-evidence-he-shopped-kremlin-dirt-on-hillary-to-trump-campaign
However, it’s also wise to consider the possibility that the republicans will play dirty over the Trump/Russia collusion. he is one of them and they don’t want to lose another President due to scandal. As this article outlines clearly that they are already laying the groundwork to fight that battle on:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/republicans-on-houses-trump-russia-probe-not-that-interested-in-trump-or-russia?via=newsletter&source=DDMorning
Okay, gotta go out now. Back later. 🙂
Trog
Don’t know, not being a South Australian, but I wouldn’t have thought Xenophon joining in with the Coalition to trash his home state was a genius move.
Markjs
I know its not entirely practical. However I do think the Journalists code of ethics should have legislative backing not able to be amended by employers.
MarkDiStef: Nigel Farage on ITV: “I’m a person of interest (to the Russia probe) according to the New York Times”
stephendziedzic: Julie Bishop’s office has confirmed she won’t be meeting @jacindaardern in Sydney on Sunday – she’s in Perth meeting Singapore’s FM
PHON is an irrelevance. The Nats fighting against recognition might make the vote struggle in Qld, but would have no effect anywhere else.
If the Liberals, Labor, and Greens were all strongly campaigning for it and countering bullshit with clear statements that it’s only an advisory body not able to make laws being proposed you’d see a result like the SSM vote is expected to get.
A strong Liberal PM would pull the Nationals into line on this issue anyway (to at least run dead).
Trumble is such a failure he preemptively capitulates.
KayJay @ #99 Tuesday, October 31st, 2017 – 9:39 am
‘If Trump were to use his authority as president to try to shut down the special counsel investigation, he would be guilty of obstruction of justice and should be impeached.’
I think this classifies as the minutiae dtt thinks it is safe to ignore.
Voice
If so my apologies. I’d been told it was settled by a previous high court decision that potentially tainted votes wouldn’t be reversed retrospectively (though only in the context where such things weren’t known at the time of the vote).
guytaur
The article on that Aust front page of most interest to me was “Failing job sites branded a mess”. Fraud and other moneymaking schemes abound. This is another mess down to Cash????
guytaur
Jacinda prefers the ‘real’ PM rather than the ‘pretend’ PM 🙂
Forgot the link….
“Jacinda Ardern will make her first overseas trip as Prime Minister to Sydney on the weekend to have brunch with Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull.”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11938848
@GT
You seem to be referring to ministerial decisions given your mention of 3 months (which definitely haven’t been ruled on at all). I was referring to Parliamentary votes which I thought were on firmer ground where the ineligibility wasn’t known.
KayJay @ #99 Tuesday, October 31st, 2017 – 9:39 am
KJ
I seem to have stuffed up my previous reply by trying to edit it.
The gist was that you have nothing to worry about, although if you start having sympathetic feelings for Hanson seek medical attention.
Elau
Sorry. Yes I was referring to Ministerial decisions.
However parliamentary votes has not been settled either.
According to Essential 50% oppose company tax cuts, 30% support. The Guardian has chosen to ignore it, apparently.
The problem with arguments about impeachment in the US context is that the Supreme Court has held it’s entirely at the behest of the legislature, there’s never and obligation to impeach or not impeach no matter how severe or minor the issue. Short of Trump’s favourability with potential Republican voters falling to historic lows he’s never going to be impeached or convicted by a Legislature the Republicans control.
@ Elau
There’s 2 separate issues.
1) Votes in the HoR and Senate, where the 5 votes from the disqualified people going the other way could have changed the outcome.
2)
a) Ministerial Decisions made by Barnaby or Nash in their portfolios when they didn’t know they were ineligible.
b) Ministerial decisions made by Barnaby or Bash, in their portfolios (including Barnaby taking on Canavan’s portfolio) when they did know they were probably ineligible.
1) is safe, due to a previous decision (I believe HC?)
2a) Could go either way, no-one knows.
2b) Could go either way, but I would say will probably be found to be ineligible.
This. The whole Canberra Press Gallery club is a con aimed convincing consumers of the media that these PR hacks are actually journalists intent on telling us witless outsiders what is actually happening.
Occasionally this tawdry facade is revealed for the con that it is, as with the Cash debacle. The more witless among these PR hacks masquerading as journos protest a little bit too much about protecting sources or other such irrelevances, but otherwise the show continues as before and the insiders keep their cosy little con going.
Sohar
More people don’t like company tax cuts than do isn’t news. Its brought up in every article about them in anything except the AFR (who’s readership don’t want to hear it) and some Murdoch Papers.
Elau
Thus the references to the Nixon experience by Zoomster.
Indictments change things. Future polling could see that very scenario play out.
It is almost certain if the Democrats win the House in the Midterms
We are only on Day 1 of the investigation lifting some secrecy
Voice
Yes, that’s what I thought too (yay, I’m not going mad) . I’m wondering about a potential 1 b) on votes taken after known ineligibility that could change the outcome too. I’d say it’s a long shot but since it could be argued they should have immediately stepped down you might get somewhere.
Adrian
There’s a difference between protecting a source , or printing an anonymous tip you don’t know the truth off (as long as such is clearly declared) and publishing something you know to be untrue or misleading without stating it (or not correcting something you know to be such when you’re not bound by confidence) . The former are simple inevitablies of contact journalism where cultivatjng relationships and respecting anonymity can lead to major public interest stories (Oakes was good at it ) , the latter is a violation of journalistic ethics and a betrayal of the public trust.
From the grapevine – Rod Taber may be running in New England. Rumour only at the moment, not to be relied on.
If so, all I can say is that some people are gluttons for punishment.