Courtesy of the Fairfax papers, we have our first Ipsos poll since May, and it’s your usual 53-47 to Labor on the headline two-party preferred. However, the primary vote results are rather less orthodox: only 35% for the Coalition (down two) and 34% for Labor (down one), with the Greens on 14% (up one) – high results for the Greens having long been a feature of Ipsos. Ipsos publishes both previous election and respondent-allocated two-party results, and I’m not sure which is being invoked here: my rough calculation tells me a previous election result would be more like 54-46 to Labor, although the very high minor party vote means the final total is very sensitive to small changes (UPDATE: Turns out this is previous election preferences; respondent allocation is a bit better for the Coalition at 52-48, a pattern now evident across multiple pollsters). On leadership ratings, Malcolm Turnbull is down three on approval to 42% and up three on disapproval to 47%, Bill Shorten is down six to 36% and up five to 52%, and Turnbull’s lead as preferred prime minister is up from 47-35 to 48-31. The poll was presumably conducted Wednesday to Saturday from a sample of 1400.
Ipsos: 53-47 to Labor
The first Ipsos poll for a while has a conventional two-party preferred result, while continuing to record much stronger support for the Greens than other pollsters.
I know Crikey runs on a shoestring, but if I can put together a website that is fully functional on all platforms I do not feel I should have to modify my browser with add-ons (with attendant security issues) to get a fully functional Pollbludger. I pay full freight for Crikey and I expect full operation.
Sorry, but that is how I feel.
jenauthor
I don’t understand why it can’t be fixed. I pay, but it hurts.
That is a useful feature. However sometimes blocks of comments will (a) appear in reverse time order or (b) will be duplicated.
A few random comments are still appearing in tiny font on my computer but not as many as before.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/01/more-than-4000-livestock-die-in-export-trade-over-six-months-report-says?CMP=share_btn_tw
lizzie
The RSPCA is now complicit in industrial-scale cruelty to animals.
Just watched Lyle Shelton (in bits) on SKY and it is apparent he really fears temptation and wants to eradicate all forms of temptations so he might be righteous in his ‘god’s’ eyes.
We have to assume now that none of our records are safae.
http://www.theage.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/itunes-gift-card-scam-targeting-pensioners-accc-warning-20170910-gyebrq.html
Boerwar
I have never agreed with live export for slaughter. I don’t care if farmers cry for months. It’s cruel.
Our ‘leaders’ are happy campers at the moment.
Joyce complaining about SSM protesters/campaigners and Turnbull looking like he’d rather be naked in the open at the South Pole than being trapped in Samoa with Peter O’Neill giving him grief.
🙂
This is about the only post I have ever seen from The Lorax which didn’t contain the word ‘lemmings’. Perhaps the fact that Labor has now been well in front for 19 newspolls has modified his thinking a bit.
I just started watching the new US crime series The Deuce on Showcase. I lasted 12 minutes.
Will I never learn?
Agreed. It’s disgraceful – and all because of some stupid religious bullshit.
Bw – We must be getting a hint of spring. A pair of King Parrots turned up here yesterday and I can hear him again this morning.
From Simon Benson in ‘The Australian’
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…Trade Minister Steve Ciobo will issue a direction this week to Australia’s export credit agency to broaden its mandate and extend loans to viable small-to-medium sized onshore resource ventures including coal projects and related infrastructure struggling to secure private-market finance.
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Darn
Unless you worship the almighty dollar, religion has got precious to do with it.
Shipping animals live and slaughtering them o/s is cheaper than slaughtering them using Australian labour in Australia.
They always have been. Battery hens is another classic example.
Darn
Much because of lack of refrigeration in the targeted market.
Darn
Not entirely. We have been exporting frozen/chilled ‘halal’ meat to those markets for years. I suspect someone making more money out of selling “fresh” meat is in there somewhere as a reason.
Another Lib politician who we haven’t heard much of recently. Lots of the Turnbull supporting variety have gone to ground.
Joyce must be one of Canavan’s ‘delicate little flowers’.
“I don’t want to be yelled at by groups who tell me I’m somehow less than human if I’ve got a different view from them and sometimes that comes from both sides,” Mr Joyce told ABC radio.
The export of live sheep for slaughter has been banned in New Zealand since 2003, cattle since 2007. Doesn’t seem to have hurt them.
For those interested, what the consequences were from the bans .
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/saturdayextra/live-animal-trade-the-new-zealand-experience/2917316
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/11/hostage-to-myopic-self-interest-climate-science-is-watered-down-under-political-scrutiny?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
BW
It seems we both may be right to some extent (see below). But I do concede that my perception that it was purely religiously based was wrong. Thank you for the correction.
VE
Germany – the CDU is not in majority government but a grand coalition with the SDP. This was forced on Merckle when the CDU’s ally, the FDP, fell under the 5% bar to enter the Bundestag
A SDP/Gruen coalition looked likely in March when anger against Merckle’s refugee policy was at its greatest. Now it looks like the CDU/FDP will win in a land slide.
I do not think a left government is likely in Germany until the SDP and Gruen come to some arrangement with Die Linke (a grouping of far left West Germans and the residual of the East German Communists)
D
No worries.
Poor bastards. And they were probably the lucky ones.
jenauthor @ #156 Monday, September 11th, 2017 – 11:49 am
Remember he said that if gays get married then he risked not having any way of being differentiated. Scary that.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/sep/10/gabrielle-deydier-fat-in-france-abuse-grossophobia-book-women
I understand that a portion of our lamb exports are for the Eid slaughter when every righteous Muslim male is required to slit the throat of a sacrificial animal.
I wonder if Lyle is a closet gay? Worrying about temptation makes me think he is rejecting a ‘lifestyle’.
Remember he(Lyle Shelton) said that if gays get married then he risked not having any way of being differentiated.
No, I think it will be entirely obvious to all that he is a bigot.
Boerwar @ #164 Monday, September 11th, 2017 – 12:02 pm
Ciobo and the Coalition abandoning all pretence to not being full-on Socialists in a Command and Control government.
German SDP seems to be suffering from being the junior partner in a coalition. Hard to campaign against the government when you are part of it.
OC
That may be a practice in some place but I can find no link that says it is a religious requirement.
In any case there are only 1 billion sheep and around 1.6 billion muslims, sheep would quickly become extinct if your idea was applied with gusto.
Mr Shelton is self-differentiated.
http://kevinbonham.blogspot.com.au/2017/09/response-from-abs-to-marriage-law.html
Response From ABS to Marriage Law Postal Survey Questions
I have received a reply from the ABS to my questions sent on 16 August, reproduced at the link above, with comments.
Ms Merkel is rather well-known for knocking off opposition party policies and putting them to bed.
Despite decades of being against ME, Ms Merkel recently led the passing of ME legalization in Germany.
From the announcement on Monday to the passing of the legislation on Friday, it took a week.
This happened a couple of months ago.
Germany is still there, BTW.
KB
Thank you. V informative.
Boerwar
Ms Merkel is rather well-known for knocking off opposition party policies and putting them to bed.
Despite decades of being against ME, Ms Merkel recently led the passing of ME legalization in Germany.
From the announcement on Monday to the passing of the legislation on Friday, it took a week.
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Could be all done and dusted in Australia this afternoon by putting the survey question up in parliament …….. and $ 122 million could then go to health, homeless, education …
Boerwar @ #185 Monday, September 11th, 2017 – 12:51 pm
I can fix that
Mr Shelton is self-incriminated.
In the old days, the Libs didn’t have to worry too much about the Nats being a drag on their vote because the Nat leaders were relatively sane (for people with cow-pat brains). But Barney is a completely different kettle of fish. Do people think he’s dragging down the Lib vote?
I think the problem Bill Shorten is having with his approval ratings is down to the fact he doesn’t do derision, personal degradation and contempt as well as the Coalition does. He really hasn’t framed Malcolm Turnbull in a relentlessly negative way to the same extent as the Coalition has done to him.
Every single media opportunity they are afforded they always insert a crack at him, even if it is essentially unrelated. They’ll draw a long bow and take a pot shot at him.
I think it’s way past time that Bill Shorten and Labor took off the gloves and started hand to hand combat with the Coalition. No more Mr Nice Guy.
I can pretty much guarantee that I squelched a lot of votes for a front party for the Liberals in our Council elections because I kept telling people so. Sure, they made complaints about me to the AEC staff, but all I ended up with was a few finger waggings and stern looks. However, I also did my best to make sure they couldn’t get away with their subterfuge.
Play to win. Not, go along to get along.
antonbruckner11 @ #191 Monday, September 11th, 2017 – 1:04 pm
I think he’s doing a fantastic job of dragging down Bill Shorten, quite frankly.
The Wikipedia version: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eid_al-Adha
At least 10 million sacrificial animals in Pakistan alone and the Haj is not complete for the 2million who undertake it unless they make sacrifice
A requirement for male heads of families who have the means to sacrifice their best animal. This is apparently to celebrate Abrahams willingness to sacrifice Isiah (or is it Isaac, I forget)
C@tmomma @ #192 Monday, September 11th, 2017 – 1:04 pm
This is very true.
Time and time the media players will let the coalition get away with these attacks while simultaneously complaining that Labor is just as bad as Abbott was. So they have nothing to lose.
KB
I’m sure there will be “highly intelligent” Coalition MPs who will try every trick to cause trouble (and even some from other Parties if they think it worth their while).
It is adorable watching the ABS try so hard. So I can invalidate anyone’s ‘vote’ in this ‘election’ if I provide their name to the ABS.
Run the below code on the last day surveys can be returned.
for int i=0; i<australianPopulation.size(); i++{
if australianPopulation[i].getName != Voice Endeavour{
sendEmail("Hi, my name is"+ australianPopulation[i].getName + ". My survey result has been stolen. Please do not count it, and send a new one to my address");
}
}
Guaranteed 100% 'yes' vote to the ME survey, with 1 vote for and 0 votes against.
I don’t see any reason for Shorten to get down and dirty, or compete in the realm of personality politics. We’ve had too many Messiahs on both sides recently.
In the end, whether or not people love or hate or are indifferent to the party leader is not as important as whether it wins seats.
@ Oakeshott
As a kid I always used to look forward to Eid. It was a great day where families get together. Putting aside animal slaughter overall it was fantastic as the day has a charitable spirit where poor get to enjoy meat. I also used to receive a lot of pocket money which was awesome.
At least where I am from it wasn’t overly religious either, more of a tradition.