The fortnightly Morgan poll, conducted from a sample of 2018 by face-to-face and SMS, provides further support for the recently recorded move against the Coalition, perhaps exacerbated by the Gonksi debacle. Labor is up no less than six points on the primary vote to 38.5%, with the Coalition down only a point to 41.5% off a below-par base from the previous poll. That leaves the Greens to fall 2.5% to 8.5%, with the Palmer United Party down 1.5% to 3.5% and others down one to 8%. This translates to a 51.5-48.5 lead to Labor on both respondent-allocated and 2013 election preferences.
SF
News Journo used the phrase triple backflip on Gonski
guytaur
Yes. I’m hoping Labor sticks to its position during the election campaign.
Centre @ 597. let’s hope so – and hopefully someone will tot up a list of all of the other abbott ‘promises’ that were qualified with the words ‘In my first term..’ or will match Labor’s commitment for the first 3, 4, etc years or will be ‘reviewed’ at some period – as in WTTE “There will be no return to workchoices – in my first term”; “We will not raise the GST – in my first term”. “we are committed to Labor’s greenhouse reduction targets, with a review in 2015” etc.
hopefully labor and the greens are also busily compiling a list of already broken lies to counter “no lies in a government I lead” Tony, as I sense he will try to paint himself (for the next week or so anyway).
PS. RT/Sean
[I call you an idiot because of your loud-mouthed arrogant abusive tone about everything, particularly about things you know nothing about.]
I think they heard the first time, SF.
Guytaur
Well hopefully the Coalition will make a deal with the Greens on the debt ceiling.
Centre
With these polls out and the traditional by election effect carrying into the WA Senate election to some degree the liberals can only go backwards on their Senate vote.
How much that affects numbers will be interesting. A lot of liberal voters could vote Labor istead. Just like Labor voters going primary vote for Liberals in NSW
[I suggest you all follow my example and not read or respond to Turkey’s posts. He’s a piece of revolting fascist filth who ought to be ignored until he goes away.]
pithy, but not quite as good as the earlier quote. It is hard to ignore his provocations, but I will try (I find when I do this I eventually crack in tirades that william (probably rightly) snips.
what purpose does a TPV have when people face the reality of being settled in PNG and never allowed to enter Australia
paaptsef
Well no worries until new Senate. Maybe by then Morrison will have come up with a credible argument.
[News Journo used the phrase triple backflip on Gonski]
trust them to exaggerate their achievements.
With Palmer`s party having enough votes to block when siding with the Greens and ALP, there is a good chance of blocking TPVs in the new Senate. The Libertarian (Liberal Democrat) may also be useful.
Wow. Labor got a record. Biggest reduction in public service since 1999 before they left office.
According to Canberra Times
Psephos
[He’s a piece of revolting fascist filth who ought to be ignored until he goes away.]
Again, I see no evidence that RT’s a f@scist. Prima facie, “he”‘s your common or garden variety reactionary. RT’s probably doing it to provoke flames, so I suspect “he”‘s simply using whatever comes to hand to provoke responses. He’s very probably authored by the same folk who author “pretty one” “CC”, “Mick77” and “SeanTisme”. You tend not to see all of these posting at the same time. That suggests there are probably only two-to-three people doing the posts.
I do agree that RT should be ignored but just as people find mosquito bites hard to resist scratching, it’s hard not to feed the troll. I doubt all of “his” iterations will vanish even if we do ignore “him”. They are here because someone thinks it’s worth the effort.
Is part of the Murdoch media falling our of love with the Abbott Govt ?
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Terry McCrann a hard line neo-liberal in The Herald- Sun.et al…has had several articles critical of Hockey in recent times
On Sunday he attacked him again over Grain Corp etc and it was a really critical comment
RE#614
Slowly, but surely, people are waking to the fact that we have been sold a Dud in TA.
we live in interesting times.
Goodnight
Is it really a backflip if you front flipped first?
RE GREAT EMPIRES AND GREAT POWERS
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Prof Paul Kennedy a US Hstorian has written what I think is the ultimate study of the decline and fall of great powers in his book of the same name
He traces the histry of great powers from the 1500ies to the Middle of the 20th century
Seeing all sorts of similarities in their histories ,and notes in detail the way in which immense military spending(e.g The USA)is the major cause of the collapse of empires’
A great read and wonderfully argued
BTW another work on the collapse of empires is Edmond Taylor’s “The The Fall of the Dynasties–Europe 1905-1922.The Collapse of the Old LOrder ”
This looks at the fall of Romanov Russia.Germany.The Hapsburg Empire and Ottoman Turkey
see Wikiipedia on Kennedy’s work
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rise_and_Fall_of_the_Great_Powers
@lyndajcla 575
[The walking dead is great drama about survival after the end of the world as we know it. Try not to be zombie snows and give it a go. We have watched all seasons and I have crush on our hero Rick and the depend able ex bogan Daryl, the resourceful Glen, brave Maggie and kick arse Michonne not to mention papa Hershall. Is there anyone here who gets it?]
I’m an unashamed devotee of both the series and the graphic novel. Its far more than just a “zombie show” – I’d argue that its the best character drama since The Sopranos, and a fascinating exploration of morality, society, survivalism, the rule of law and human nature.
In fact its come under criticism for essentially being a “post-apocalyptic soap opera where zombies occasionally make a cameo.” Especially – and somewhat justifiably – in the much maligned first half of Season Two. (I for one thought the “little girl lost” subplot was brilliant, despite its meandering pace, though I can see why many didn’t.)
And today’s episode was truly heart-wrenching.
Abbott and Pyne were originally against Gonski.
They then backflipped and supported the policy just before the election campaign.
Then after the election they went back to the original position of being against the policy.
Now they changed back to the position they had at the election campaign.
The media claims this is a backflip but I’m not too sure what position they are in.
@Sean/620
It’s a backflip, if this was a Labor gov, this is what you would call it.
The coalition still hasn’t signed up to needs based funding. I suppose its only the poor people who will lose out.
Sean Tisme@620
Yep, Abbott can’t work out if he is coming or going.
[He’s a piece of revolting fascist filth]
Fascist is it? I think in Psephos’s head he is some sort of European Jewish anti-fascist activist from the 1930s. An interesting psychopathology to be sure, but one which can lead to embarrassments in the present day and the real world.
Well, they’ve sold out. Who knows what comes next from this joke of a government.
http://www.guffsturdpolish.com/products.html
Gonski without needs based funding is like broadband without fibre to the home or carbon policy without carbon abaitment.
New War Birds, we all have our battles to fight. I know you understand.
Pleased to see the senate has disallowed the governments pointlessly nasty new TPV regulations
[Again, I see no evidence that RT’s a f@scist. Prima facie, “he”‘s your common or garden variety reactionary.]
No, a person who says that different classes of people are biologically inferior and are incapable of improvement is a fascist. That’s a central tenet of fascism, and not of conservatism.
Ocean Protector is going loop de loops, like the Lib Goverment has.
Which could explain their behavior.
AFR’s take:
Laura Tingle, under heading, Abbott’s reverse double backflip on education funding
[The events of the past week will be hard to erase from the memories of anyone interested in education, not just because of the brawl about the actual dollars but because it has revealed the extent to which the Coalition really doesn’t have anything substantive to say on the subject.]
http://www.afr.com/p/national/abbott_reverse_double_backflip_on_qI6HSkwDh4Cg1LsUYICFjI
Jennifer Hewitt, under headline, Ditching dunce’s hat a way off
[Having so badly failed his school exams, Christopher Pyne is now willing to sit them over again. But the Education Minister has ensured the government’s big black mark on its report card won’t be so easily deleted. Tony Abbott won’t do it but the rest of cabinet understands their colleague should be put in the naughty corner for the rest of term at least.
Business leaders have certainly been bemoaning the way the argument over school funding was handled. They have to fervently hope such lousy political management won’t be on show too often as this government faces far tougher decisions and budget challenges which will affect their businesses even more directly.
It’s not just that policy confusion and mixed messages don’t help. It’s about broader issues of trust and confidence.
So just how Pyne – or indeed the Prime Minister – ever thought the government could get away with the nonsense of last week defies political logic. The fact that Labor is, if anything, even more culpable in trying to con the electorate on school funding may irk the Coalition but it’s largely irrelevant to the public.
Not only was this clearly reneging on an election commitment – and a particularly sensitive one on school funding – it also undermined Abbott’s pledge to lead a government that attempted to restore the community’s much battered faith in political promises.
This was very damaging to Abbott’s own reputation – which explains why the Prime Minister belatedly realised he was quickly losing far more than the $1.2 billion in money at stake. That’s even though the government has now had to find that level of additional “savings” to compensate for the additional spending on schools as part of the mid-year economic review to be announced this month. So much for being “methodical.”]
http://www.afr.com/p/national/ditching_dunce_hat_way_off_yAM5h22ZGhoUyqnk6PQhGO
@Laocoon/631
“That’s even though the government has now had to find that level of additional “savings” to compensate for the additional spending on schools as part of the mid-year economic review to be announced this month. So much for being “methodical.””
Did she really that, or they don’t think where it’s coming from?
The obvious cuts will be coming from Health or Welfare (pensions).
[620
Sean Tisme
Abbott and Pyne were originally against Gonski.
They then backflipped and supported the policy just before the election campaign.
Then after the election they went back to the original position of being against the policy.
Now they changed back to the position they had at the election campaign.
The media claims this is a backflip but I’m not too sure what position they are in.]
Abbott has just experienced another self-inflicted political defeat. The whole country knows they’re left administering an education policy with which they disagree. Likewise, on AS, they’re administering a Rudd policy, since there own non-policies have been exposed as an embarrassing sham.
In the next few days, they will succumb to another self-created political defeat when they are forced to give up their attempt to raise the debt ceiling to $500 bill, and this will also foreshadow the increase in the running deficit, to be disclosed when they finally publish MYEFO.
Furthermore, it is already obvious they have cruelled their chances of getting a trade deal with China that might contain anything worth having.
They are a Government on the road to self-destruction.
[624
Resurgent Turkeys
He’s a piece of revolting fascist filth
Fascist is it?]
Pretty much. Unless you resile from the automatic disdain you reserve for those you take to be your inferiors, you qualify as a sick-o.
[613
Fran Barlow
He’s very probably authored by the same folk who author “pretty one” “CC”, “Mick77″ and “SeanTisme”.]
I am quite sure Mick77 is no troll. He is a thoughtful and witty figure and though we’ve had our moments, I miss his contributions.
[632
zoidlord]
Indeed. We will soon see just where the LNP budgetary priorities lie. Revenue growth will not be strong, so they will have to either make cuts to programs, find ways to increase taxes or increase the deficit – or perhaps run with all three.
The obvious places to go – to the tax shelters and fiscal expenditures in Super – are sacred Liberal cows. Yet they must be on the list. The alternative is to cut spending on health and the aged, which will surely lead them into conflict with Tory premiers.
[631
Laocoon
AFR’s take:
Laura Tingle, under heading, Abbott’s reverse double backflip on education funding
The events of the past week will be hard to erase from the memories of anyone interested in education, not just because of the brawl about the actual dollars but because it has revealed the extent to which the Coalition really doesn’t have anything substantive to say on the subject.]
Tingle nails it: the Coalition have nothing substantive to say. They are ideologues with nothing to offer.
A theme for 2014 and beyond….
http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2013/12/rising-petrol-prices-to-dent-spending/
Depreciation must continue to eat away at growth in real per capita incomes, which have been subject to slow attrition since 2011.
This is the meta dynamic in Australian political economy: per capita incomes are hardly growing at all and this is going to continue, with long-term consequences for household spending, employment trends, profits, investment, the budget, voter expectations and the political contest.
None of this is going to automatically favour the LNP, who have constructed a narrative that assumes rapid per capita income growth is a given, and that it is possible to wring tax cuts and give-aways from the system. On the contrary, the system now needs to be repaired. This is a task for which the LNP are completely unprepared and profoundly ill-led.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/02/us-hongkong-birdflu-idUSBRE9B10MA20131202
[Hong Kong confirms first human case of bird flu
HONG KONG Mon Dec 2, 2013 11:26am EST
(Reuters) – Hong Kong confirmed its first case of deadly H7N9 bird flu on Monday in a further sign that the virus is continuing to spread beyond mainland China’s borders.]
Seems like bird-to-human transmission….potentially very troubling. Respiratory illness in HK and South China is very common simply because of the high population and its density. Infections spread very easily in this part of the world.
“Our biggest recommendation would be just to smash up the memory card,” he said.
“So, you know, just smash it up with a hammer and don’t worry about trying to get a few dollars on it.”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-02/selling-second-hand-memory-cards-bring-risk-of-identity-fraud/5129848
nyeah surely they could have mentioned one or two of the multitude of free programs that will securely wipe data.
Everyone has CCleaner don’t they?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/01/us-japan-china-idUSBRE9AT02K20131201
U.S. airlines give China flight plans for defense zone
[U.S. airlines United, American and Delta, have notified Chinese authorities of flight plans when traveling through an air defense zone Beijing has declared over the East China Sea, following U.S. government advice.
The zone has raised tensions, particularly with Japan and South Korea, and is likely to dominate the agenda of a visit to Asia this week of U.S. Vice President Joe Biden. He will travel to Japan, China, and South Korea and try to ease tensions, senior American officials said.
However, China’s declaration of the zone also represents a historic challenge by the emerging world power to the United States, which has dominated the region for decades.
China published co-ordinates for the zone last weekend. The area, about two-thirds the size of the United Kingdom, covers most of the East China Sea and the skies over a group of uninhabited islands at the center of a bitter territorial dispute between Beijing and Tokyo.]
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/alec-meikle-killed-himself-after-relentless-bullying-inquest-hears-20131202-2ylea.html this is horrible the results of bullying
NEWS Digest Update 3/12 Nett_NEWS by Otiose – Classified & Query_Able by Topic http://bit.ly/1aQcqOy
Good morning Dawn Patrollers.
Not many kind words for Abbott/Pyne today. Mind you, I haven’t been anywhere near the flagship Murdoch rag! Note that this article confirms what Bemused and I were on about yesterday – the “extra” $1.2 billion is coming from the education budget!
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/gonski-backflip-12b-more-for-schools-20131202-2ym3u.html
Even Mr Pinstripe steps up to the plate for a big bash.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/gonski-backflip-12b-more-for-schools-20131202-2ym3u.html
Mark Kenny calls out the dishonesty.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/abbotts-gonski-backflip-shows-honesty-in-short-supply-20131202-2ym4t.html
The AFR’s Phil Coorey jumps in as well.
http://www.afr.com/p/opinion/gonski_becomes_the_pm_carbon_tax_rdQ7HX7FfeSF2dLPOxExUK
Peter Martin laments the excessive use of the airbrush by the government.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/gonskis-gone-school-funding-review-struck-from-record-20131202-2yljm.html
This Senate Committee should provide some entertainment.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/asic-boss-greg-medcraft-accuses-critics-of-smear-tactics-20131202-2ym1a.html
This legislative possibility in Victoria simply stinks! Straight out of the US Banjo Belt Bible Bashers handbook.
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/abortion-reform-a-bargaining-chip–again-20131202-2yluf.html
Section 2 . . .
Bruce Petty gets stuck into the government’s policy development practices.
http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/federal-politics/bruce-petty-20090907-fdvy.html
Cathy Wilcox on debt.
http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/federal-politics/cartoons/cathy-wilcox-20090909-fhd6.html
David Pope on the backflip. (What’s that hanging down from Pyne?)
http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/federal-politics/cartoons/david-pope-20120214-1t3j0.html
A delightful little contribution from Ron Tandberg.
http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/federal-politics/cartoons/ron-tandberg-20090910-fixc.html
David Rowe with a shocker. Look at Bronny in the background.
http://www.afr.com/p/national/cartoon_gallery_david_rowe_1g8WHy9urgOIQrWQ0IrkdO
Psephos
[No, a person who says that different classes of people are biologically inferior and are incapable of improvement is a fascist. That’s a central tenet of fascism, and not of conservatism.]
Actually, that assertion predated fascism by centuries, possibly millennia. It underpinned policy towards the indigenous in this country for most of the time between 1788 and the 1960s. Governments of this country sought to ‘breed out’ ‘Aboriginality’ — which was a key objective for forcing removal of children. Laws against miscegeny and/or supporting eugenics were widespread in the US states during the 20th century.
Fascists certainly took up these claims with alacrity, but they were merely drawing upon the existing well-springs of racism to manipulate populations for their own purposes.
http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/life/phobias-may-be-memories-passed-down-in-genes-from-ancestors-20131202-2ymh5.html interesting not frightened of spiders but am of snakes, but only since i stopped living on a farm.While on the farm just had a healthy caution for snakes and walked quite happily through swamps etc
And from the Land of the Free –
Some cartoons on US consumption madness.
http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2013/12/02/cartoons-day-cyber-monday/
How’s this for a low act!
http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/california-assembly-gop-astroturfs
MUST SEE! A great little parody on wacky alternative medicine.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017162207
Scott Morrison talking crap – blames abolition of TPVs for surge in boat arrivals after 2008, even while admitting only a handful were ever issued. Claims that they were a major deterrent, citing 180 irregular arrivals who voluntarily returned. But the stats on boat arrivals from 1999 to 2001 (http://www.aph.gov.au/about_parliament/parliamentary_departments/parliamentary_library/pubs/bn/2012-2013/boatarrivals#_Toc347230719) clearly show that TPVs had no impact.
Scott Morrison can’t blame his ongoing failure on Labor. Of course actually he will, but he must not be allowed to get away with it.
Apparently the Libs are working to preselect this bloke because he has the right sense of empathy and ethics to be fast tracked to a ministry (and he’s a banker – is that rhyming slang?) – will probably be in the ‘wet’ faction
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/man-jailed-for-running-into-lollipop-lady-while-using-phone-20131202-2yljl.html