Labor’s leadership selection process has concluded with a narrow win for Bill Shorten, whose decisive victory in the caucus vote was enough to outweigh rank-and-file support for Anthony Albanese. As foreshadowed in news reportage over the past two days, Shorten’s caucus support was in the fifties, at 55 votes against 31 for Albanese. The rank-and-file ballot attracted 18,230 votes for Albanese against 12,196 for Shorten. With each accounting for 50% of the total, the final score reads thus:
Caucus Branches Total Bill Shorten 63.95% 40.08% 52.02% Anthony Albanese 36.05% 59.92% 47.98%
RBA paints picture of cautious optimism
http://www.theage.com.au/business/rba-paints-picture-of-cautious-optimism-20131015-2vk3u.html
scorpio
Is that the only way you can win a debate besides using selective “facts”.
You are an extremely obnoxious troll, aren’t you.
No need to answer as I’m out of here before I say something that I may regret. I certainly can find better things to spend my time at than getting abused by some Lib cretin.
—————————————————
SCORPIO …. a website for you to read :
How to spot a sociopath
http://www.naturalnews.com/036112_sociopaths_cults_influence.html
Good tweet from the Geek
[Bob Santamaria Junior says he’s giving the Labor party an opportunity to “repent” . #auspol #DLP]
Sean’s MO is similar to others here. His problem is he bats for the wrong side. Also he doesn’t know how to let one go through to the keeper.
Badcat
[WOW ….. almost as fast as you in the MERC]
The manual claims the cutoff is 255kmh.
I doubt that there are many roads here that would be accommodating and I’m not feeling like finding out.
[
http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/10/15/why-theyre-wild-about-tanya-the-life-and-times-of-labors-new-deputy/
]
CTar1
Posted Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 3:41 pm | Permalink
Badcat
WOW ….. almost as fast as you in the MERC
The manual claims the cutoff is 255kmh.
I doubt that there are many roads here that would be accommodating and I’m not feeling like finding out.
—————————————————-
255 km/h – I guess thats for the German AUTOBAHN
……… on our potholed Victorian roads …. even 25.5 km/h is dangerous 🙁
[How to spot a sociopath ]
1. Elect him Prime Minister.
2. Watch him behave sociopathically.
Front page of Herald sun has images of Geoff Shaw
http://www.heraldsun.com.au
Psephos
Posted Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 3:48 pm | Permalink
How to spot a sociopath
1. Elect him Prime Minister.
2. Watch him behave sociopathically
……………………………..
As GWBush said “Mission Accomplished ” 🙂
[Front page of Herald sun has images of Geoff Shaw]
Bloody Independents 🙁
I think you’ll find Williamson fits the criteria for a sociopath much better than any former PMs.
It takes a very special type of person to rort $1M from the union they run.
[I think you’ll find Williamson fits the criteria for a sociopath much better than any former PMs. It takes a very special type of person to rort $1M from the union they run.]
I think that just makes him a crook, unless you want to argue that all crooks are sociopaths.
I think they may have been referring to Abbott Dio however I do believe that if the term fits Abbott it equally fits Rudd as well and Labor made him leader twice.
Diogenes
Posted Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 3:56 pm | Permalink
I think you’ll find Williamson fits the criteria for a sociopath much better than any former PMs
——————————————————-
#3) Sociopaths are incapable of feeling shame, guilt or remorse. Their brains simply lack the circuitry to process such emotions. This allows them to betray people, threaten people or harm people without giving it a second thought. They pursue any action that serves their own self interest even if it seriously harms others. This is why you will find many very “successful” sociopaths in high levels of government, in any nation
errrrr …… remember ” Bernie Banton”
Diogenes@1963
Stealing from a position of trust hopefully carries a jail sentence of many years, preferably in a cell with a axe murderer or such.
But he will get a reduced sentence for the guilty plea and a low security prison in due course in view of the ‘white collar’ crime.
Labors name dragged through the mud yet again.
davidwh
[Sean’s MO is similar to others here. His problem is he bats for the wrong side.]
That’s not “Sean’s” problem. “Sean’s” problem is that his text-based ejaculations look like nothing so much as the cyber equivalent of Tourette Syndrome save that they are not the result of some neuropathological motor impairment but the outpourings of someone channelling Murdoch’s most inane mouthpieces.
Like Tourette’s sufferers however, “Sean” (or more precisely the author(s) of “Sean” of simply can’t avoid palilia and periodically, coprolalia as well.
The aetiology of “Sean’s” ‘neuropathology’, to persist with the metaphor, clearly lies in the degenerate condition of public discourse into which the elite of the western world have allowed that discourse to fall.
Fran so basically you think he’s a wanker?
🙂
so
who was cooking dog?
Fran Barlow 1968
I agree 😀
[There was NO independent body setting pollie pay in QLD before Campbell Newman set one up. This 8-9% payrise is occuring under this new independent body which never existed under Labor.]
There was a body, it was linked to Federal Pay scales set by the Federal Renemeration Commission. Anna Bligh froze politicians pay.
Seeney, who is dumber than Tisme, then decided to reinstate all pay rises saying it was the law, until Newman told him it wasn’t when he ended his holiday.
[who was cooking dog?]
Rudd Weatherwax?
[Labor’s name dragged through the mud yet again.]
However much Williamson and other crooks at the HSU stole, it would be a minute fraction of the vast amounts that the aristocracy of business have stolen from consumers, employees, the ATO and each other over the years. But we rarely hear about that, and certainly not in the Murdoch press.
@abcnews: The Government’s carbon tax repeal legislation can be viewed here http://t.co/eEPGeYV1ey #auspol
The government has done something guytaur?
Everybody on the internet is a sociopath. That’s why people can easily abuse each other and tell people to kill themselves, even though they’d never do it offline. When there’s no visual interaction between people, suppressing empathy is easy.
Fran Barlow
Posted Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 4:07 pm | Permalink
davidwh
Sean’s MO is similar to others here. His problem is he bats for the wrong side.
That’s not “Sean’s” problem. “Sean’s” problem is that his text-based ejaculations look like nothing so much as the cyber equivalent of Tourette Syndrome save that they are not the result of some neuropathological motor impairment but the outpourings of someone channelling Murdoch’s most inane mouthpieces.
Like Tourette’s sufferers however, “Sean” (or more precisely the author(s) of “Sean” of simply can’t avoid palilia and periodically, coprolalia as well.
The aetiology of “Sean’s” ‘neuropathology’, to persist with the metaphor, clearly lies in the degenerate condition of public discourse into which the elite of the western world have allowed that discourse to fall.
———————————————–
So ….he’s a bigger *dickhead* than he accuses everyone else of being ???????
“@BernardKeane: the Vicious Bill applies to any corporation, association of any kind or group of 3 people or more. NGO protesters, look out.”
This is Qld Bikie Laws
Returning to Bjelke days
[Everybody on the internet is a sociopath. ]
I think it would be truer to say that the internet encourages anti-social behaviour of various kinds. If you define “sociopath” so widely that it includes virtually everybody, you rob the term of all meaning. If everyone on the internet were a sociopath, society would cease to function.
I hate the way that in some posts, which contain previous quotes, it can look like you are responsible for writing something you are totally incapable of writing and which even contain words you have no idea of what they mean.
Carey Moore
Posted Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 4:14 pm | Permalink
Everybody on the internet is a sociopath.
———————————————-
Some self-analysis, Carey ???? 😉
Psephos
[I think that just makes him a crook, unless you want to argue that all crooks are sociopaths.]
I’m somewhat reluctant to assert that ethical failure is always the consequence of a kind of pathology. IMO, it strongly resembles attempts to cast as “mad” or “unhinged” those who simply see matters sharply differently. There are clearly people who lack empathy and/or the capacity to see themselves as others see them. People in the autism spectrum commonly display this attribute.
As the parent of a child who is so classified, I’m still not sure where neuroscience ends and social science begins though. Those of us who aren’t recognised as “autism spectrum” may merely be better at learning the cues than those who are. Of course, that vbery faculty is one of the boundary markers, so the argument can get a bit circular.
I regard most people as capable of making relatively informed choices, and of knowing at least in a basic sense, the obligations they bear others, and therefore what is malfeasant. Sometimes of course, the apparent benefits of malfeasance can induce people to abandon what they know to be right. That sounds more like Williamson to me.
And no, I wouldn’t want him locked up with murderous criminals. As always, I don’t believe in punishment for criminals but protection for legitimate stakeholders. Let him be restrained from acting in this way again at least public expense and to make such restitution as he can for as long as he can.
Psephos@1974
Your right about that, but voters remember Williamson’s sort of crimes, plus the corruption within NSW Labor and their walk of shame on TV night after night which will be repeated for years..
Burke’s tanty is the cherry on abbott’s ice cream. She has made a convincing case why the decision to leave her out was correct. No discipline and no judgement.
Then there is mundine getting all cosy with abbott.
Amatuer video of Geoff Shaw run in with protestors
http://youtu.be/aYlYwiQ44Uo
[Some self-analysis, Carey ????]
Definitely. I’ve said some hurtful things on here without batting an eyelid before.
This article, linked earlier by citizen, is excellent.
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/abbott-walking-tricky-tightrope-on-diplomacy-20131014-2viqg.html#ixzz2hjbr8hxg
Apart from anything else, the article gives further weight to the proposition that we are in a dangerous situation whereby Abbott seems to be in some sort of groupthink bubble in which, for example, Sheridan and the SkyNewsMob, NewsLtd hackdom, and sundry shockjocks, all tell him he did a statesmanlike job in Indonesia.
Anyone with an interest in foreign affairs should have a close look at White’s view on the extent to which the powerful tensions to our north are a zero sum game… (in a china shop).
Enter Abbott.
dave
Posted Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 4:20 pm | Permalink
Psephos@1974
Then there is mundine getting all cosy with abbot
—————————————————- Excuse my ignorance but is he what the Americans call an “Uncle Tom” ?????
[If you define “sociopath” so widely that it includes virtually everybody, you rob the term of all meaning.]
I think what’s actually robbing the term of meaning are those who regularly use the term to mean “someone who does something I don’t like”
[Burke’s tanty is the cherry on abbott’s ice cream. She has made a convincing case why the decision to leave her out was correct. No discipline and no judgement.]
Sadly true. She’s always had a very short fuse, and she has some grounds for resentment, but this kind of public outburst is self-indulgent and unprofessional, and really can’t be excused. I hope this will be her last term. Ditto Snowden, who after 23 years on the front-bench has no grounds for complaint at all.
Is the position of ALP president elective?
[I think what’s actually robbing the term of meaning are those who regularly use the term to mean “someone who does something I don’t like”]
I’ll pay that statement.
At least some of the people I don’t like are not sociopaths. That is because they are psychopaths.
[ Excuse my ignorance but is he what the Americans call an “Uncle Tom” ????? ]
William’s guidelines prevent me from saying what I really think about that.
Ditto Snowden = Ditto Snowdon. After all this time I still spell it wrong.
dave
Posted Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 4:27 pm | Permalink
Excuse my ignorance but is he what the Americans call an “Uncle Tom” ?????
William’s guidelines prevent me from saying what I really think about that.
———————————
OK … I guess that answers my question ….
[Is the position of ALP president elective?]
Yes, but the top three candidates serve a year each, so even if you come a distant third you still get a year as president. It’s a silly system which should be scrapped.
If a psychopath is psychotic, why isn’t a sociopath sociotic?
Psephos
Posted Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 4:31 pm | Permalink
If a psychopath is psychotic, why isn’t a sociopath sociotic?
————————————————-
If people from Poland are called *POLES* how come people from Holland are not called *HOLES* ?????
badcat
Mundine would probably get that phrase, and ‘coconut’ as in ‘black on the outside, white on the inside’. I have heard only Indigenous people use the latter term.
I dislike both terms a lot.
IMHO, Indigenous people are as entitled as anyone else to espouse the virtues of capitalism, private ownership, small government, secularism, self-reliance and rugged individualism. They are also as entitled as anyone else to be criticised for this.
There are complex issues (for both Indigenous and non-Indigenous people) around if, how and when Indigenous people shift values from the values they espoused as nomadic hunter-gatherers. At the heart of the set of related issues are individual and group identities.
Pejorative and denigrating name-calling does not help the discussion along one little bit.