Nothing actually further to add at this stage, but the new day requires a new thread. Please observe the plethora of new posts below for those wishing to follow late counting, and especially the fairly detailed one attempting to review the Senate situation. These extend on to the second page; I’ll do something to make them more accessible in the morning.
meher:
[I don’t like any of their non-environmental policies]
Really? None of them?
Psephos
[Don’t forget of course that the new Senate doesn’t come in until July 2014. Abbott will have to deal with the current Senate until then.]
But I fear that Labor in the current Senate won’t take a stand on anything that would cause it any short-term political pain if they believe the new Senate will do it anyway. E.g. carbon price.
This was the election where the selfish, the ignorant and the credulous have been played for the mugs that they are. Will they get to realise it, I wonder.
Meher Baba, please stop being so fucking reasonable. That can wait. Today is the day for blind lashing out.
[Peter Brent @mumbletwits 9h
Swing against Rudd in Griffith second largest in Qld.]
confessions quoted:
[Ms Mirabella says many had been hoodwinked by Ms McGowan.
“They have had the wool pulled over their eyes,” she said.]
She would know how easy that is. What goes around …
Ratbag right wing control over the Senate as well as in the House. Phew. So this is where democracy theft gets us.
Excellent. The next three years will essentially be an experiment to test one of the basic tenets of the Greens Party: that there is no difference between Labor and Liberal.
In doing so, it will provide an opportunity for Greens and Labor supporters to figure out whether the current state of affairs is desirable and whether the party structural split of the left vote simply gifts government to the ratbag right. Having come to the conclusion that the structural split damages the left vote, the supporters of the two parties ought to get together to see what can be done about it.
Alternatively, supporters might choose to do nothing at all about the structural split in the left vote and simply continue to gift government to the ratbag right.
Morning all. I for one welcome our new insect overlords. Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos.
At first I thought the Senate was funny, but after getting more info on the elected micro parties it is clearly nuttier and more right wing than before. The LDP have succeeded after their third name change in gaming the system. They are libertarians (mis)using a quite deceptive party title.
As I said on the Senate thread, I think the AEC itself deserves criticism. They have permitted micro parties to register names that are clearly confusing or misleading to game the system. This is a separate issue to the crazy preference distribution rules.
Fran:
We can safely say that nobody will miss her if she loses Indi.
Poor Sophie Mirrabella – it seems her political opponents were trying to win the election against her. How nasty of them.
Not sure if it’s an omen, but on every morning in my new house since I moved here to Greenway mid-June, as I’ve awoken I’ve heard the noise of chirping birds.
Not so this morning … Twitter’s silence can also be telling … 😉
At least Glen Lazarus will not be the Brick in the House. He will be the Brick with a Seat.
Re. Mirrabella: the Born-to-rule Beast is not easily tamed.
I watched the Rudd speech with five other people all lifetime leftie Greens/Labor supporters. We were all gobsmacked incredulous. If it had been a speech for a successful campaign for the Queensland state parliament it would have been a bravura performance. Instead it looked and sounded demented.
There is a line in there that should chill the hearts of Labor supporters other than T.P Rudd is going to he backbench where he is not going to say anything… wtte… ‘..for some time’.
Good luck with that. The messiah lurks in the dark pool, eying the sword in the stone. Sooner or later the Australian populace who adore him but who were temporarily confused by all the lies, will see what Abbott is really like and then The Call will come…
This is awkward.
[Australia has failed to hold a closing press conference at the G20 leaders’ summit even though it is taking over the presidency of the group for 2014.
Other leaders addressed the world’s media at the end of the two-day summit in St Petersburg, but foreign minister Bob Carr initially delayed and then cancelled his appearance.
Puzzled foreign journalists were left to ask Australian reporters whether Carr would be talking at any point.]
Other issues aside, Labor seems to have gained no advantage from the September 7 date choice, and September 14 would have been better. Waiting until straight after the footy finals would have been much better still.
Yesterday was one of the main days for the Adelaide show, so not a great choice for SA voters.
Boerwar:
I said as much last night. He needs to leave parliament altogether for Labor to get any peace in its attempts to rebuild.
Surely not even Rudd would be deluded enough to think the party will give him a third chance. He’ll just go sometime during the term.
I almost said “go quietly” but I can’t see that happening.
I don’t think Abbott will blow up in any way except that which only Labor leaning folk will care about :P.
[Di Smith @DiSmithLabor 8m
@TurnbullMalcolm Congratulations on another term as Member for Wentworth , nice to see you and meet Lucy yesterday at Bondi Beach booth.]
The Member for Indi could learn a thing or two about humility from Di Smith.
I think Newman is to thank for the Queensland result, not Rudd.
Three years goes quick. Time for the ALP to get back to the grassroots and make use of the fact they haven’t lost as much ground as was expected. We’re going to have three years of extreme right wing government, and from July next year it will be an unstoppable force for two of those three years.
I’m sorry to find myself in agreement with Borewar. Until Rudd resigns his seat he will continue to be a destabilising force. His presence will keep alive the split between Ruddites and Gillardites, which would otherwise naturally heal. Several of Labor’s best surviving performers – Bowen, Marles and Husic – are Ruddites. They need to be freed from the spell of Ruddism so their talents can be put to best use.
Boerwar, I would be surprised if Rudd can cause much trouble any more. People got what they wanted and finished the unfinished business. Now that he has returned and lost, it should be curtains for him in people’s minds and any further attention-seeking behaviour should be ignored.
@ 68 scratch ‘Labor leaning folk’ and make that irrelevant folk (like us ;)).
I agree Rudd should leave now. It serves no purpose for him to remain. He had his second chance, and I concede he did not campaign as well as I had hoped. (Second half was good but too late; first three weeks were poor).
Socrates
[The LDP have succeeded after their third name change in gaming the system. ]
Yes, but it also helped that they had position “A” on the ballot. Fools who vote Liberal are easily confused, notwithstanding the large “Y” on the HTVs.
I joked with the pollworkers yesterday that their slogan as they handed out HTVs should have been “Y vote Liberal!”.
They laughed. They didn’t laugh quite so much when I suggested to the six-year-old handing out for them that that is what he should say instead of “vote for real change!”.
The kiddy, very much your average six-year-old, kept tipping the less savoury aspects of the adults standing behind him. He told one guy who declined his HTV — “I’ll stab you!” and complained of people “ganging up on Jaymes”. The Liberals were running an “A Frame” with that shot of the Gillard-Rudd kiss in parliament with the slogan “Remember!” and the kiddy stood there going “ewwww Yuck!”
I said to him — “do you think if Liberals win there’ll be less kissing?”. He said “Yes, less girl germs!”. Once again I suggested he might try that one out when hading out the HTVs. Again, the Liberals grimaced.
😉
Psephos
Unfortunately, Fitzgibbon is still there.
I’d still like to point out that when Rudd announced he wouldn’t be contesting the leadership there was no disappointed reaction from the crowd, as has been witnessed on previous occasions when parties have lost elections.
Fran
Charming. The use of children and women as political props seems to be a recurring theme for the Libs. I suppose they call that family values.
ltep:
Yes, I noticed that as well.
Speaking of Rudds speech. I was listening to it up until I could not stand another second of that squealling woman in the crowd.
I was hoping someone would throttle her. If I was amongst the crowd I think I would be appearing before a court this morning.
Fran Barlow, future Liberal MP there I suspect.
[Mr Denmore @MrDenmore 6m
One imagines Clive Palmer will use the protections of parliamentary privilege to their full extent #auspol]
Jeffemu, so glad someone else noticed that – I was shouting at my TV.
Rudd has not ruled out running for Labor leader at a later date.
Has anyone seen the motoring enthusiasts party website? Funny in some ways. V8s for everyone! The values are incoherent – lower tax, better health, aged care etc.
http://www.australianmotoringenthusiastparty.org.au/
I suppose it is a good result for people like me who plan roads for a living, though the new government is sure to waste money on turkey projects like the Melbourne EW tunnel, just as Howard poured $1 bilion into the completely unnecessary Alice Springs rail link.
adam bandt really has grown over the last three years and has a spark of Bob Brown about him… he could go along way.
As a long time lurker, can I say I am glad to see this site returning to some higher quality commentary this morning. Good to see some sensible discussion of the need to somehow achieve greater coordination among the left parties. The apparent six year Senate disaster will no don’t help to focus efforts here.
Eden-Monaro looks like it will go to the libs so will remain a bell weather seat.
Regarding Labor leadership, I hope it is Albanese or Bowen now. Clare should be held back for a time in the future when Labor has a chance of winning. The next leader will not become PM, and needs to get a lot of party reforms done.
Socrates:
[Charming. The use of children and women as political props seems to be a recurring theme for the Libs. I suppose they call that family values.]
Yes indeed, though it wasn’t the most unsavoury feature of my day at the booth. Not even close. I believe I met the worst behaved Liberal in the last decade doing this. One speaks of the “uglies”, and plainly, I met one.
He had a go at me — that’s fine, I’m a Green — but the swing he took at a fellow Lib rookie 20-year-old boothworker was truly astonishing — and motivated principally by the failure of the boothworker to treat me with the contempt he felt I deserved.
Noice!
Needless to say, the other Libs were embarrassed into silence, and I tut-tutted and reminded them that this is the kind of “conversation” that Abbott encourages.
Australia’s pre-eminent control freak probably likes quietly toxifying parliament from the backbench. With all his hard destabilising work behind him and nothing to do now that Gillard has been vanquished, he can sit back amid the shadows like an insipid chemical agent.
The ALP should never have welcomed this disturbed child.
ltep
[Fran Barlow, future Liberal MP there I suspect.]
I turned to the Rowland boothworker and said: Jaymes Diaz, about 1993 …
I disagree.
The only thing propping Rudd up was the supposed popularity with the public, which has now been factually exposed as a myth.
Rudd now has nothing propping him up. He and his aura with colleagues, is finished.
“So Eden Monaro is still looking bell weathered!” Sure does look that way – to my despair. As I posted elsewhere we have a useless state representative. The close vote just illiterates how the Eden Monaro dumb arses may well install a useless political hack at the cost of good representative. Hendy was head of an employer union and a staffer for two of most extreme right wing conservatives in Reith and Bishop. Dr Kelly on the other hand has real life experience and is the kind of representative we need. May God help us all.
Rick Wilson looks set to win O’Connor too.
What a shame.
I never talk to Liberals when I’m handing out. No doubt some of them are nice people, but I can’t bring myself to be civil on election days.
Of all last night’s results, I’m most upset about Mike Kelly losing, if that is confirmed. He is really a first-class guy and a fine MP.
Fran 90
Yes that is pretty poor. This election will certainly release the crazies for the next few years. Things were much more civil here (Sturt) and Rick Sarre is always absolutely courteous.
[Psephos
Posted Sunday, September 8, 2013 at 8:36 am | PERMALINK
I never talk to Liberals when I’m handing out. No doubt some of them are nice people, but I can’t bring myself to be civil on election days.]
i cant stand the young labor or lib types…. i happily have a chat with the elderly types on either side and give encouragement.
Is the problem with Wayne that he’s always too tactful, too “nice”?
Quote:
[Everybody in the Labor Party, everyone in the Government owns this result. The last thing we should be doing tonight is simply saying one individual – whether it’s the Prime Minister, myself or anyone else – is primarily responsible for this.]
Stephen Smith cuts nearer to the bone:
[So the smart thing for the party and the smart thing for Kevin, in my view, is not just to walk away from the leadership but to walk away from the Parliament. Do what Julia has done and remove for all time the remnants of those political and leadership disputes and difficulties we had from the moment effectively of the 1996 defeat.]