At last, an actual national poll and it’s not quite the train wreck for Labor that yesterday’s marginals polling might have had them bracing for. The Coalition has an election-winning lead, the outer edge of the error margin notwithstanding, but it’s of the relatively modest order of 52-48, compared with 51-49 in last week’s poll. Labor is down two points on the primary vote to 36%, with the Coalition steady on 45%. The poll also gauges opinion on the Coalition’s plan to abolish the school kids’ bonus, and which party has the better parental leave scheme. Both results are consistent with the usual pattern of poll respondents supporting spending and opposing taxing (company levies evidently notwithstanding), with 47% opposing the school kids’ bonus abolition against 38% supporting, and the more extravagant Coalition parental leave scheme favoured over Labor’s 44% to 36%.
GhostWhoVotes also relays a series of electorate-level ReachTEL results from well-chosen Victorian seats, which I presume have been commissioned by the Sunday Herald Sun. In turn:
The Liberals lead in Labor’s two most marginal seats in the state, by 53-47 in Deakin and 56-44 in Corangamite. In the most marginal Liberal seat of Aston, the Liberals are found to be well ahead at 63.4-36.6.
A long-overdue result for Melbourne suggests Adam Bandt’s primary vote will not be high enough to survive the looming flood of Liberal preferences to Labor. Bandt is on 33.5% against 33.8% for Labor candidate Cath Bowtell.
A result for Indi suggests Sophie Mirabella indeed has a fight on her hands from independent Cathy McGowan, as media chatter has increasingly indicated. Mirabella leads McGowan 43.5% to 23.3% on the primary vote, but McGowan would presumably benefit from a very tight flow of Labor and Greens preferences. (UPDATE: It turns out this doesn’t exclude 7.1% decided, so it should be more like 47% Mirabella to 25% McGowan, which would get Mirabella home).
[Justin Barbour @justinbarbour 3m
Lib whistleblower claims Abbott tried to block Fiona Scott’s nomination because it was based on her looks. http://bit.ly/17AmSYS #ausvotes]
Spicer’s report was based on an Independent Australia article by Kevin Lee who reported on his experiences trying for Liberal preselection himself.
Abbott denies Lee’s claims. Who to believe?
The former head of the collapsed Tasmanian timber company Gunns is facing a maximum penalty of five years in prison, after admitting to insider trading.
A FORMER chief stockbroker who sold his clients’ shares in a fishery company soon before its share price plummeted has been convicted of insider trading and fined $30,000.
An Australian financial analyst could face up to 25 years in a US jail an insider-trading scheme.
Geez it would be terrible if business men were ripping off investors proving that while Union Officials misuse money they are no different .
Names Like Bond, Skase spring to mind….
MTBW @1247
ruawake @1232 said there was no chance of the Libs picking up 3 Senate seats in response to ST@1228.
You said @1236 “loving your work to ruawake’s @1232.
William @1234 smacked him down saying it was highly likely the libs will win 3 seats.
How hard is that to understand?
Carey,
Thank you for the updates on the Wakefield forum. I was unable to attend, so I am grateful for the info. I met the LIb candidate in a shopping centre. He seemed a nice guy who had his lines down pat.
He was President (?) of the local SANFL football club and owns a string of shops, sport-stores i think, so he is very in with the sports crowds.
@CC/1253
I think it was abit of sarcasm.
Gaffhook
Thanks for that link.
A very practical but compelling video.
Edward St John, your reappearance on PollBludger makes me feel very nostalgic.
Do any L-NP candidates comment on anything anymore? Ted O’Brien has been gagged after saying housing and homelessness is a State issue.
I think Labor should go huge, in terms of its advertising budget, on the NBN issue. It really does cut through, and this really is a pivotal moment in the nation’s history in this regard.
AA
Someone will one day write a true history of Gunn’s. It will be very, very interesting indeed.
Fran Barlow @ 1087: Thanks for that explanation of “single member PR”. Interesting. I followed stages 1 to 4 easily, but wasn’t sure how stages 5 and 6 are supposed to operate. Can you give a hypothetical example? Also, are you aware of such a system being used elsewhere? (It looks similar in some ways, but not identical, to the MMP system used in New Zealand, Germany, Lesotho etc.)
That new ad is shit.
Plain and simple.
Are we execting any polls tonight?
CC
I of course was relating to rua’s general comments hard though that may be for you to understand.
Did your parents ever tell you that if you have nothing nice to say then you should say nothing at all?
TLBD
Now you have me very worried indeed.
[How hard is that to understand?]
Wot that William said something may happen, or my funniest ever joke about apples and the Apple Isle.
I’ll let Claptrap explain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgIsd7q0SI4
[That new ad is shit.
Plain and simple.]
Are you referring to this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FEyVtFBVR0&feature=c4-overview&list=UUGed7ONu3481RxIT7jQ6ngA
If so I don’t think it’s an ad. I’m not sure it will appeal to anyone other than rusted-on Labor voters, but that’s just my view.
Guys
Thanks for the feedback on the Philippines stuff.
54-46 Newspoll my prediction
Simon 1248
That was true prior to 2000, but not much now. I can only urge you to read some of the links I have given you on this, or Elizabeth Barrett’s work. There were many massive breakages of existing laws leading up to the GFC.
The SEC switched to a policy of negotiated non-prosecutions after 2000 that has made prosecution of banks rare, and jailing of bankers almost obsolete. See this conference for an explanation:
http://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/brochure2.pdf
To give just two specific examples, the Taibi story related to HSBC links to both Mafia and terrorist money laundering, major crimes beyond any fraud rules:
[The deal was announced quietly, just before the holidays, almost like the government was hoping people were too busy hanging stockings by the fireplace to notice. Flooring politicians, lawyers and investigators all over the world, the U.S. Justice Department granted a total walk to executives of the British-based bank HSBC for the largest drug-and-terrorism money-laundering case ever. Yes, they issued a fine – $1.9 billion, or about five weeks’ profit – but they didn’t extract so much as one dollar or one day in jail from any individual, despite a decade of stupefying abuses.]
Another classic example was the “robobanker” scandal, which could have sent hundreds to jail. Again, none were.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_foreclosure_crisis
I think your views are badly out of date re: US financial regulation. It was once tough, but has not been for a decade or more.
Boerwar@1250
The ‘Iglesia ni Christo’ are a Philippines home grown cult and certainly extend well beyond Manila.
I was referring to US based Protestant Fundamentalist Nutters who are moving in, just as they are in South America.
The Mor(m)ons and JWs have been there for quite a while, but are being joined by a new wave complete with Televangelists and all the other parasites, hangers on and scamsters.
And if I offend anyone here than tough luck, grow a brain.
[gloryconsequence
Posted Sunday, August 18, 2013 at 7:35 pm | PERMALINK
54-46 Newspoll my prediction]
56-44 is my treasury forecast (could blow out a tad though)
Has anyone seen Get Up this election?
[Has anyone seen Get Up this election?]
They couldn’t.
rummel
Heaps of Get Up correspondence coming via email.
[Antony Green @AntonyGreenABC 2m
No Carbon Tax Climate Sceptics have put Labor ahead of Coalition in Victoria as well ?? Both before Greens #ausvotes]
Based on Mumbles article we should see a Newspoll tonight.
Sean Tisme@1228
I put it at about 80% but it may be higher than that. I’ll revise this when Antony’s Senate calculator is up; want to have a muck about with it and see if I can get Shooters + Fishers or Family First up if I assume Libs just short of 3 quotas.
http://kevinbonham.blogspot.com.au/2013/06/prospects-for-tasmanian-senate-race.html
William – is your current aggregate for Tas mostly ReachTEL and Morgan or do you have a fair amount of other stuff in it?
A final comment on the Labor attak add. i think the strategy is correct, and the targetting is correct. However I do find the execution heavy handed. If so, I suspect others will find it more so. Same theme, but recut please.
No Carbon Tax preference Labor ahead of the Libs? That’s pure gold 🙂
Pedant
[{I} wasn’t sure how stages 5 and 6 are supposed to operate. Can you give a hypothetical example?]
OK …
Let’s say that Party A gets 37% of primaries. Party B gets 36% of primaries. Party C gets 11.7% of primaries. Party D gets 3% of primaries. There are 150 seats.
Party A gets 150 * 0.37 rounded down to nearest integer, thus 55 seats.
Party B gets 150 * 0.36 rounded down to nearest integer, thus 54 seats.
Party C gets 150 * 0.117 rounded down to nearest integer, thus 17 seats.
Patty D 150 * 0.03 rounded down to nearest integer, thus 4 seats.
Total remaining after allocation: 150 -(4+17+54+55) = 20 with 20 to go to winner on preferences.
A candidate who for example gets 55% of primaries is ranked above one on 53% of primaries. Thus the first seat is allocated to the country’s champion primary winner. The next to the second place getter and so forth until Party A or Party B or Party C or Party D as the case may be get all their seats. In some cases, the second place getter or even the third in that seat will win on the distribution. That’s OK because the third place getter in one seat is really representing those in other seats who voted for his or her party. They have the same policy after all.
And no, I’ve never heard of another jurisdiction trying this system.
Entirely ReachTEL and Morgan, KB.
Sky News Australia @SkyNewsAust
via @chriskkenny: 8pm #Viewpoint Campaign heats up with @DreyfusMark @ScottMorrisonMP @jkalbrechtsen @PfrayEd also #Newspoll preview #ausvo
The Abbott “direct action” plan to pay companies to reduce carbon emissions is somewhat like the US government payments to farmers.
US farm subsidies, which have been around for many years, are supposed to encourage individual farmers to reduce production of specified crops when total production is high and therefore market prices are low.
Of course, the scheme is open to significant rorting and tends to be a ‘pork barrel’ exercise to gain votes in rural areas. The net result is that eligible farmers’ incomes are increased at taxpayer expense and output is often not decreased, resulting in surplus production which is dumped on export markets, to the annoyance of other agricultural producers including Australia.
It is not hard to see how the Abbott subsidy scheme could be similarly rorted at taxpayer expense.
[MTBW
Posted Sunday, August 18, 2013 at 7:40 pm | PERMALINK
rummel
Heaps of Get Up correspondence coming via email.]
Cheers, have not seen peep from them in eden monaro.
[alias
Posted Sunday, August 18, 2013 at 7:29 pm | Permalink
I think Labor should go huge, in terms of its advertising budget, on the NBN issue. It really does cut through, and this really is a pivotal moment in the nation’s history in this regard.]
Alias
That anti Abbott ad that was discussed earlier would lend itself to something like that. Point out the difference in speed etc plus the exorbitant connection cost of Fraudband and end with:
IF HE WINS YOU LOSE.
It’s such a simple message. I really like it.
[Possum Comitatus @Pollytics 5h
Compare and contrast. http://bit.ly/13IJlkf with this http://bit.ly/13IJkNc . It’s not 1987 anymore people]
On Labor’s latest ad.
Having watched both now, he does have a point.
@Darn/1287
It’s also good that it doesn’t say how much are the cuts are, but rather, where will they be cut.
So even if there is little amount of cuts, or large amounts of cuts, it’s targeted at Abbott and Coalition Party.
Where is Get Up?
I saw quite a few of Simon Sheikh corflutes today.
Does that count?
By my calculations a Conservative controlled senate should be a shoe-in… assuming you consider the Democratic Labor PArty and Nick Xenophon as Conservatives.
The Coalition need 38 Votes in the Senate. In the 2010 Election they won 18 seats for the 6 year term. Assuming they do as well this election(pretty much a given) they will have a total of 36 Senate Seats. Xenophon will probably win his seat and then you have the DLP Candidate continuing their senate term.
So 38 Senate Votes. Now consider the Coalition pick up an extra senate seat in Tassie(likely) that gives Coalition 37 seats just by themselves.
Perhaps there is a seat to pick up elsewhere and we have Coalition Senate Majority fun.
Why would a government add admit that “hospitals are already stretched”?
You know those fake twitter accounts that the Libs definitely did not pay for, funny they all seem to be saying the same thing.
https://twitter.com/GavinDFernando/status/369032846481977344/photo/1
Fakes r Us, perfect for the Liberal Party.
@shellbell/Simon Sheikh
Hospitals are state control right for most of them?
[IF HE WINS YOU LOSE.]
It has the advnatage of being true, for most punters.
Bemused
I am by no means offended.
[Does that count?]
Isn’t he a grassy colour now?
Tones fake twitter accounts that he buys to prop himself up. What a joke he is.
https://twitter.com/GavinDFernando/status/369032846481977344/photo/1
Socrates – The rules are presently being changed on financial regulation, as to the examples you mention, they are not really directly connected to the GFC and in any case whether prosecutors decide to fine offenders for breaches of offences rather than jail them is not really an issue related to a breach of the law. The GFC was a problem of incompetence, not clear-cut breaking of the law
Bemused
[Televangelists and all the other parasites, hangers on and scamsters.]
Stuff them.