The September 6 by-elections for Mayo and Lyne initially loomed as fizzers, with Labor showing no inclination post-Gippsland to test the waters in unwinnable seats. They have instead respectively emerged as mildly and enormously interesting, thanks to the entry of non-major party players. In Mayo, housing tycoon Bob Day will bring a cashed-up campaign to bear against the Liberals as the candidate of Family First, having failed to win Liberal preselection for Mayo after unsuccessfully contesting Makin last year. Day would nonetheless have to be considered a long shot against Liberal candidate Jamie Briggs, but it’s a very different story in Lyne where independent state MP Rob Oakeshott has been rated the “clear favourite” by Antony Green. Imre Salusinszky of The Australian reports that Nationals polling puts his approval rating in the electorate at over 70 per cent, and says the party is concerned Labor will “direct resources to Mr Oakeshott’s campaign”.
Lyne covers a 100 kilometre stretch of coastline up to 400 kilometres north of Sydney, the main population centres being Port Macquarie (home to 33 per cent of the electorate’s population) and Taree (14 per cent). Smaller centres include Old Bar, Lake Cathie and Harrington on the coast, and Wauchope and Wingham further inland. The National/Country Party has held the seat since its creation in 1949. The electorate covers the entirety of Oakeshott’s state seat of Port Macquarie, which provides Lyne with 55 per cent of its voters. Oakeshott won Port Macquarie as the Nationals candidate at a 1996 by-election ahead of independent John Barrett, who had come within 233 votes of defeating Mark Vaile as Liberal candidate for Lyne in 1993. He was promoted to the front bench after the 1999 election, taking the sport and recreation, fisheries and ports portfolios. In March 2002 he quit the party, claiming its local branches were controlled by property developers and questioning whether the party was still relevant to an electorate transformed by tourism and demographic change. The Nationals campaigned aggressively against him during the 2003 campaign, in particular over his support for drug law reform, but he was overwhelmingly re-elected with 69.7 per cent of the primary vote. This fell slightly to 67.1 per cent at the March 2007 election, his two-candidate preferred margin down from 32.8 per cent to a still formidable 28.2 per cent.
The Nationals candidate is Rob Drew, who was mayor of Port Macquarie until the council was sacked by the state government in February. The Macleay Argus reports he won a preselection vote ahead of Taree solicitor Quentin Schneider by 48 votes to 15. State party leader Andrew Stoner was reportedly urged by “senior colleagues” to throw his hat into the ring, but perhaps sensibly decided to stay put. The prospect of an Oakeshott candidacy was a cloud on the horizon from the time of Vaile’s departure, with Oakeshott earlier threatening to run against Vaile at the 2004 election. There has also been intermittent speculation over the years that he might be enlisted by the Liberals, although this might never have been more than wishful thinking by the party. Most recently, powerbrokers including Senator Bill Heffernan approached him to contest the by-election as the Liberal candidate, hoping that his success might push the Coalition further along the road to a merger. The party has instead opted to sit out the contest, aware that its presence would only increase the already high likelihood of an Oakeshott victory.
The other thing to be noted is that win, lose or draw, Oakeshott’s candidacy will initiate a state by-election for Port Macquarie – though that is a subject for another post. While it would be open to Oakeshott to re-contest Port Macquarie, owing to what Imre Salusinszky calls “a quirk in NSW electoral law”, Oakeshott has declared that such a move would be “unfair to the community”.
Actually Ziggy, I think Australia could come out a winner with a properly designed ETS, which if done well could encourage other countries that may be reluctant over CC amelioration systems to come down the same route, and make a massive contribution to reducing global particulate pollution as well as hitting the risk management targets needed to be confident of nuetralising any AGW effects associated with climate change.
From my perspective – which is really an economic perspective based on pareto optimality, I dont need to believe or not that AGW exists, just that enough people believe it’s true and act accordinly, as well as there being enough evidence to suggest that it *might* be true that we should act because of simple risk, and should act pretty urgently.
The key is how to act in a way that creates a win/win situation (or at least the pareto optimal way that allows some to win, but doesnt allow anyone to lose) broadly speaking?
So I’ll withold my judgement until I see the ETS details – but I think action needs to be taken, and taken pretty urgently as a matter of risk management alone.
Possum Comitatus:
Thats what they said about the GST.
I have never seen a tax implemented where it is a win win situation.
The ALP governement wants this implemented by 2010.
If we wait around till the reports, it may be too late to put a stop to it.
I have read all the reports from the CSIRO re Australia leading with new technologies, and cashing in on new carbon economies.
I believe that we could achieve that anyway and would be in a better position to do so without a ETS.
I spoke to a farmer recently who had replanted trees in areas that were once forest areas on his property. He is very consious of the environment and his footprint reading was very low, he was congratulated and infomed that he may be able to gain carbon credits. They then informed him that if the position changed he would be penalised.
I believe in Fee Simple, if he needs to change or adapt to a market change to make a living he should be able to. I dont believe removing the basic right to use their land to earn an income should be taken away from them. This is what will happen under such a system.
We need to compensate for initiative not penalise a land owner for trying to make a living. That way we would still achieve those goals and implement a risk management system. The risk managment system we should be implementing is one the rewards the land owners for being responsible, not tax them when they are trying to survive.
I aslo believe that this tax should be put to the public at a general election,
as was the GST.
Ziggy
On a different topic to carbon tax and CC.
Articule in THE AGE on Bills before the Victorian Upper House on Abortion and also on Euthenasia.
It demonstrates the effect that just 1 DLP memer of Parliment can have on political discussion.
(“Liberal MP John Vogels has had more than his fair share of experience of death. His three brothers died at ages varying from a couple of days to 40 years. His wife and two best friends died in the space of about three years, all of cancer. “And do you know something? Each and every one of them fought to the last minute to stay alive,” Vogels told Parliament. His mother died last year, aged 93. “She had led a wonderful life, but the last six months were terrible. She had lost the circulation to her feet, and her legs had to be amputated. I thought, ‘I wish mum did not have to go through any of this suffering and that she could just be helped to pass on’, because that is what mum wanted. She believed in heaven. She told me, ‘Dad is up there waiting for me; I have got a lot to tell him, and I just want to pass on’.”
Vogels began the debate thinking he would support Hartland’s bill. But after listening to the speeches of his colleagues, he changed his mind. “I do not have the guts to end someone else’s life,” he concluded. “Although I understand the good intentions of the bill, after weighing it up and in all conscience, I cannot support it.”
One of the speakers who swayed Vogels was the DLP’s Peter Kavanagh. He acknowledged the bill was motivated by compassion, but said legislators had an obligation to use their intellect, reasoning and understanding of human nature. Arguing that betrayal is “almost always done with a kiss”, Kavanagh said that if the bill were passed, he could envisage thousands of circumstances in which vulnerable people would come under pressure to “volunteer” to be killed.”)
WE certainly need more DLP members in parliments in Australia using “their intellect, reasoning and understanding of human nature.” in informed debate
You guys crack me up.
How is this for a scenario based on the flow of preferences?
Let say it a close fight. Drew doesn’t get enough votes to get in outright. Oakeshott doesn’t get enough to get in outright. Susie Russell of the Greens doesn’t get enough to get in outright, which is no surprise. Lets face it DLP guys, the Greens are the third party in the picture here climate change or not.
Oakeshott’s prefs don’t go anywhere because he’s “Independant”. Drew has put Susie before Oakeshott. Susie has put Oakeshott before Drew. The Fishing, DLP, CDP send all their prefs to Drew.
What happens if it gets to the point where the Nationals prefs flow into Susies basket????
All you conservatives could end up electing a Green for Lyne. The only way you can prevent that scenario would be to vote for Oakeshott.
🙂 Priceless!
Well thats got you stumped!
It ain’t much of a scenario since no one will be going to preferences, except for obscure reasons like placing Lyne on the pendulum – probably somewhere the 70/30 TPP mark.
Oh well, still, just checking the stats on our Three Rivers Greens website
three-rivers.nsw.greens.org.a and we’re getting plenty of traffic from this page. Thanks for talking so much about the Greens.
Don’t get Rob’d, vote for Susie 🙂
Odge:
Re: “we’re getting plenty of traffic from this page”
Golden rule explains all …. Know thine enemy! 🙂
Odge: the preferences are going to have to go somewhere. This is a federal by-election, so preferential voting ain’t optional… chin up, it means the major parties can’t play the dirty trick on you lot like in the last NSW election (Balmain, Marrickville).
As for your scenario: this is all observation from the other side of the country, but if Oakeshott’s as popular as everybody keeps saying he is, he’ll get a massive amount of the vote, taken off the Nats and ALP. He’ll win by some absurd margin, over who – well, if the Greens get primary vote 3-5% above the Nats (ie: if Drew cops a real pasting), that’ll be you. So get campaigning if you want to embarrass the Nats. 😉
LOL, the web traffic has been on a steady rise. Don’t stay on the site too long, you might get corrupted, even converted. 🙂
This page is just one of many sources of traffic. How about you google this “lyne candidate” and see who’s bio is ranking highest out of our candidates.
BIRD OF PARADOX:
BIRD Says: if the Greens get primary vote 3-5% above the Nats ?
In Lyne. I dont think so, and even if they did the preferences would push Drew in.
Ziggy
Bird
You are dreaming if you think the Greens will get a primry vote better than the Nats.
(Or perhaps youhave been smoking some ot that stuff yr Green friends grow up Elands way.)
The Nats will easily outpoll the Greens in Taree, where Mark Vaile lives, and in the country areas, except for the Hillbilly Green areas.
DLP voters will be spread across all areas and will mainly come from young working families
As I will be in Sydney next week, I pre-polled in Taree at lunch time today. At the booth there were 3 Oakeshott supporters handing out HTVs, a tacky display with Green HTVs and an unattended card table for the Nationals. In my purely unscientific observation over 10 minutes, none of the electors bothered with a Nationals or Green HTV but all (about 20 as it was lunchtime) approached Oakeshott’s supporters. If this is Drew’s heartland, he is in deep trouble.
I was disconcerted by the HTVs of Oakeshott and the Greens. Oakeshott just had a 1 against his name with no suggestions for prefrences but a highlighted section saying all squares must be filled. The Greens had a 1 against Russell and a 2 against Oakeshott but nothing to say all squares must be filled. It will be interesting to see the informal vote. Drew had a traditional HTV with all squares filled, 2nd preference went to the Shooter’s Party and 3rd to the DLP.
My Prediction for First preferences:
Oakeshott 65
Drew 18
Russell 7 (their result in the LC for PMQ at the last state election)
Shooter’s 5 (their result in the LC for PMQ at the last state election)
Informal 2
All others 3 (In the order of Citizen’s Electoral council, DLP and 2 Independents)
oakeshott country :
I didnt know that there was a shooters party candidate standing.
Oakshott 65% ??????
So you think that all he ALP vote will go to Oakshott ?
Glad your not running the polls.
Ziggy
[ The Greens had a 1 against Russell and a 2 against Oakeshott but nothing to say all squares must be filled. It will be interesting to see the informal vote. ]
Interesting indeed. Is just numbering the first two preferences and leaving the rest blank valid in NSW state elections?
Bird of paradox:
The other thing is where the traditional liberal voters will place their vote.
Perhaps this might be an indication <a href = http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24253127-5006787,00.html<No to how to vote
Ziggy
Bird of paradox
Lets try that again…….
Ziggy
My mistake : I mistook the Fishing Party candidate for a Shooter’s Party
I will change my prediction to:
Oakeshott 65
Drew Nationals 18
Russell Greens 7 (their result in the LC for PMQ at the last state election)
Fishers 5 (their result in the LC for PMQ at the last state election + 2% Donkey)
Informal 2
All others 3 (In the order of Citizen’s Electoral council, DLP and 2 Independents
Yes, going on the last state election results for Port Macquarie, most Labor voters will go to Oakeshott. In a Federal Election Labor usually gets about 32 -35% and would expect a similar result in a state election if Oakeshott was not standing. Last Years’ state election result was Oakeshott 67 National 19 Labour 9 Green 3, so more than 20% of voters have already left Labor mainly for Oakeshott. The remaining die-hard Labor supporters will split between the Greens and Oakeshott boosting the Greens to around 10%.
In other news per today’s Port News http://www.portnews.com.au/ :
1. Senator Heffernan has suggested the Liberals run in the Port Macquarie State by-election creating the expected response from the Nationals
2. There has been a negative reaction to the National’s negative TV ad
3. A successful (well at least 150 people turned up) candidate’s night was held. All candidates except Drew (who claimed it was a set up organised by his anti-development opposition on council – the Resident’s Action Network) and the DLP candidate (who was unavailable) turned up. No more candidates’s nights are planned
4. The dismissed deputy mayor Bob Sharpham (who started out as leader of the R A N and then went pro-development) will run in the Port Macquarie by-election as an independent – I am interested where his preferences go – I suspect he will strongly favour the Nationals (some believe that he was always a Nationals stooge)
If Michael O’Donoghue is about – can I ask what is his view of the 4th Pod ?
midnorthcoast:
If port macquarie is like any other seat. Voters dont tend to follow the same pattern in Federal as they do in the state.
In november last year the Nationals Mark Vaile scored 52% of the primary, it seems highly unlikely they would fall to as little as 18%.
People vote differently totally different federally as they do in the state.
I would hardly think labor voters would view Oakeshott in anyway a replacement for a labor candidate.
Sussie may pick up some primary but by preferencing oakeshot 2nd have taken themselves out of the race.
Labor voters would be aware of that and may surprise you. The suprise election of the DLP canidate in Victoria come for the ALP preferences. I also think that it would be a no win for them puting in a independent National instead of a sitting National.
Ziggy
I guess we will see but I am here and I have followed this closely.
It is all about grass-roots politics. Oakeshott is seen as such a good local member that the discussion of party labels and ideologies is largely irrelavent. Vaile as a politician was not particularly popular but in a straight Labor v Nationals fight would always get an absolute majority. As shown by Tony Windsor in New England this becomes meaningless if a good independent is available.The Nationals regularly got > 60% primary in Port Macquarie but this was reduced to 5%. What is your bet?
Half that post went missing. To restart:
The Nationals regularly got > 60% in Port Macquarie but this was reduced to 5% primary. What is your bet?
I can’t get the post to work. So I won’t try any more.
Dear Possum Comitatus
The community know that the National Party politicians have been pretending to be country focused for generations now. Many of the Nats look, sound and ARE city Liberals. Many Nat pollies wish to merge with the Liberals.
Local communities anywhere would prefer to have a patriotic Aussie DLP MP who puts the interests of both farmers and workers and pensioners and families ahead of corporate interests. The ALP is just another Liberal Party; and the National Party is just another Liberal Party. Who can be serious with these crews who have sold out Australia socially and economically especially since the mid 1980s with all the privatisations. Only the big end of town benefits.
Vote DLP. We say a Big NO to privatisations; and a big NO to guest workers where local Aussies can be found, and employed.
The “local roots” of pro big business and pro neo- economic rationalist National Party politicians?! Gimme a break !
Michael Webb
DLP President- NSW Branch
midnorthcoast:
So I take it that Port Macquarie is the bulk of the population of Lyne, is that correct ? With Taree being the second biggest centre.
What percentage of lyne would Port Macquarie make up?
Ziggy
Port Macquarie electorate is currently just over 50% of Lyne but includes boothe that are traditionally seen as part of the Manning, Oakeshott has in the past represented a larger slice including Wingham and Cundletown.
In part of the post that was omitted I said that I had an initial feeling that Oakeshott may have been less popular in Taree town area but if Drew is unable to staff the pre-poll booth (just as the nationals have been unable to staff the Port Macquarie booths in the last two elections) thes Oakeshott is headed for a significant victory
As that worked, I will try some of the rest of my post.
You have said that Labor voters will support the DLP in Lyne because a Victorian DLP MLC was elected on ALP preferences. But NSW is not Victoria and unless the priests have been spruiking for him (and I have missed Mass for the last few weeks) no one in this electorate knows that there is a candidate that identifies himself as DLP. Particularly as he is a blow-in who can’t even come to candidate functions (always a publicity gift for marginal candidates). Any ALP voter old enough to have voted last time there was a DLP candidate in Lyne (They would now be a minimum of 54 years old) is not suddenly going to vote for a DLP candidate with a sub-zero profile just because they have got (is it Labor or Labour) in their party name.
You obviously have significant conections with these people who should be more pitied than encouraged, so in the absence of Mr O’Donoghue and his partner on the senate ticket who had the same surname perhaps you might answer:
1. Is there a DLP branch in LYne? If so how can I contact the secretary (a local number or physical address rather than a mobile please)?
2. As Possum has already asked, what is the policy on the entrances of the Manning?
3. What is the DLP policy on the 4th pod?
These are the questions that are being asked rather than some obscure ways of controlling the world that appear on a 2nd rate web site.
midnorthcoast:
You may have to ask Michael some of those questions. He is campaigning over the weekend.
On the 4th Pod though I believe that he would be in support, in line with our federal policy. Improvements in the provision of health is a priority for the DLP and I believe a DLP member would work far better with the ALP governments (Both federal and state) then an independent former National member.
Health.
“Substantially increased funding for hospices and for the provision of palliative care for the terminally ill.
Increased availability of funding for after care and home nursing services to help free up hospital facilities and meet increasing demand for emergency and acute beds, particularly for the aged.
Increased funding to outer metropolitan and regional hospitals to prevent closures due to rationalisation and ensure round the clock access to emergency services.”
The DLP has a strong focus on regional issues and unlike the ALP centralists they believes in decentralisation and have a strong focus on regional development.
This is a federal seat and if Oakeshott honestly believed in pushing these policies forward, the electorate would have been better served by him remaining in his state seat.
Ziggy
midnorthcoast:
The DLP is looking for new members and supporters. Anyone wishing to support us or join the rebuilding of the DLP contact Michael on the mobile listed or email dlpfornsw@hotmail.com.
Ziggy
So I take it te answer is No
midnorthcoast:
Yes on the 4th Pod.
You should direct your other questions to the NSW State branch or Michael himself.
I have asked him and no one identifying himself as midnorhtcoast has made any contact at all by phone or email.
Ziggy
There is no party infrastructure in Lyne – yes or no
Don’t write Mayo off to the Libs yet. Water activist and Independent Di Bell is emerging as a powerful voice for the people of Mayo. Fellow SA and newly appointed Senator Nick Xenophon has thrown out all stops to support Di in her campaign saying “Di’s for water and I’m for Di”. She also has support from John Schumann who in the 1996 election mounted a serious challenge to Alexander Downer. For more info see http://www.vote4di.com
midnorthcoast:
You’re obviously obsessed with big party infrastructure. (Does the two party duopoly make you feel comfortable) or are really interested.
The DLP have active members in the lyne electrote yes. Whether they have a branch or are party of a Regional Branch (Which is common in smaller parties)
i dont know, I have suggested though who you can contact in that regard should you wish to participate.
If this was a state election of which oakeshott would be more suited, then I would be of the same opinion. But this is a federal bi election, and the voters of Lyne are aware of that.
Yes the new member may, if part of a team may be able to assert pressure on the federal government about state and some local issues, but if someone was unsuccessful at the state level to achieve these goals, then why would he think the possition would be any easier at the federal level. I Believe that the Nationals or a DLP candidate would be better suited.
In saying that I have the highest respect for independents like Peter Windsor and Bob Katter but they rarely are able to have input into the major federal issues and problems of which the country is now facing. Besides Oakeshott hasn’t campaigned on any big federal issues. (correct me if I’m wrong, you know what the media is like).
ALP voters are faced with the question who do they want to represent them on federal issues. A National, An Independent National or another Labor party.
Most ALP voters (both young and old) grown past the anomosity of the past. They see that the DLP is a viable option and probably well suited for this electorate. With clear differences in their federal policy stand.
Ziggy
THE DLP IS NOT, HAS NEVER BEEN AND WILL NEVER BE “ANOTHER LABOR PARTY”
Although their sole strategy in this by-election seems to be to confuse people who normally vote labor into voting for them because they have a similar name.
How do we know what connection if any these people have with the splinter group set up in the 1950s whose sole aim was to deprive the ALP of government and which disappeared with its reason d’etre in 1972?
This site is for the discussion of psephology not policy but you have bored us all onto death with your obsession with someone who will be lucky to get his deposit back. I will not comment on this again no matter how provocative you try to be. I will continue to comment on the events in the electorate over the next week.
midnorthcoast:
Talk about credibility Shot Mr Midnorthcoast.
Incredible that the high court and the Australian Electoral commission got it wrong but northmidcoast knows it all. Changes history on the fly.
Look its quite obvious that you are part of oakeshotts PR team but if you that confident then you shouldn’t have to worry. (65%).
You said: “But I cant even tell what the DLP want people to think they stand for. Except maybe they say whatever the person they are talking to wants to believe “?
We’ve presented a host of policies on our side. All I’ve heard from Oakeshott are 2 state policies. I keep reminding you that this is a federal election.
All you keep on about is that you’re only interested in big party infrastructure. Perhaps that’s why the country is in such a mess. Spend big win the seat. Sell off the country and rubbish any minor party that tries to have a go.
If your predication is right that Oakeshott will get 65% of the primary and the Greens have been silly enough to preference him (thereby eliminating themselves) then what is there left to debate.
And a little on the Labor partys history article
Ziggy
midnorthcoast:
Talk about credibility Shot Mr Midnorthcoast.
Incredible that the high court and the Australian Electoral commission got it wrong but northmidcoast knows it all. Changes history on the fly.
Look its quite obvious that you are part of oakeshotts PR team but if you that confident then you shouldn’t have to worry. (65%).
You said: “But I cant even tell what the DLP want people to think they stand for. Except maybe they say whatever the person they are talking to wants to believe “?
We’ve presented a host of policies on our side. All I’ve heard from Oakeshott are 2 state policies. I keep reminding you that this is a federal election.
All you keep on about is that you’re only interested in big party infrastructure. Perhaps that’s why the country is in such a mess. Spend big win the seat. Sell off the country and rubbish any minor party that tries to have a go.
If your predication is right that Oakeshott will get 65% of the primary and the Greens have been silly enough to preference him (thereby eliminating themselves) then what is there left to debate.
And a little on the Labor partys history
article
Ziggy
Midnorthcoast
your suggestion that (THE DLP IS NOT, HAS NEVER BEEN AND WILL NEVER BE “ANOTHER LABOR PARTY”)
is an insult to all the great Labor men who sacrificed their seats and careers for the principles of the Labor movement.
You should hang your head in shame for even suggesting they were not Labour men.
These men were the greatest Labor men, and members of parliment that this country has ever produced.
They are the inspiration for all of us in the DLP who carry on in their great tradition of putting our country and principal before personal gain.
If you are any sort of a man at all you will retract that statement
GOANNA:
I think its a waste of time talking to midnorthcoast, he’s obviously not a labor man. Just a PR man for Oakeshott.
Ziggy
The only reported local news today is that Barnaby Joyce was in the electorate to support Drew. They toured the Buckett’s Way and called for increased Federal funding for rural roads. Joyce stated that federal politics was a balance between the two sides of politics (“one goes right and one goes left”) and that local funding was achieved through the argy-bargy of the two sides. An independent, he stated, is of necessity excluded from this process. There were no reported events from Oakeshott or the other candidates.
Dear MidNorthCoast
To me, you lack credibility with your remarks about the DLP and what we stand for and who we represent.
The Nationals and their farmer organisations, to my way of thinking, have not represented the farmers and people of the bush for several generations now.
Why take the big parties seriously, except for the social and economic harms they do to the average dinky di Aussie?
DLP people are in the main Christians of various denominations and are upset by how the ALP is just another party of big business and of anti family and anti Church political correctness agendas.
There are Nats/Libs and ALP pollies who are supporting ideological tax regimes to impoverish the average Aussie working man and family. This is unacceptable.
The DLP are back to stay and to flourish.
Michael Webb
“that local funding was achieved through the argy-bargy of the two sides. An independent, he stated, is of necessity excluded from this process”
I thought there was a study which showed that funding in the independents electorates was on par or better than others.
Yes, I admire Joyce’s chutzpah in coming up with that one. On further reflection I think Joyce said the two sides of politics were cog wheels one turning left, the other right.
Very little in the local media today except puff pieces that the main candidates are getting excited about the polls and a visit from a Teachers’ union honcho who called for more funding. I will wait to see what this evening’s TV ads bring.
The evening news via prime TV and NBN – after a story of a whale caught in a fishing net and a story about the refurbishment of the toilet block in Bellingen.
Luke Hartsuyker (Cowper) and Rob Drew had a street walk in Taree to point out the rising cost of living and the Rudd government’s waste of funds with price watch
Oakeshott ads continue on a fairly benign and beige course and promise federal support for widening the Highway between Port macquarie and kempsey and enlarging Port Macquarie Hospital (the 4th pod).
The Nationals ads complain that Oakeshott co-operation with Labor has not resulted in the extension of the Hospital and reduced its waiting list -“Oakeshott he is too close to Labor” (Those who know of the unique history of this hospital and the role of the Nationals may be surprised by this attack).
DLP are just a bunch of papish plotters – will turn this country to an outpost of the Vatican.
I’m off to watch the Da Vinci Code to see their diabolical schemes.
Riccardo:
Thats right Riccardo you probably believe the Da Vinci code as well.
You know it was written for the enjoyment of women ages 18-40 dont you.
Yep you certainly sound like a big Shiela.
Ziggy
Hey Riccardo,
The Da Vinci code was a very boring movie. The characters sounded serious but were signifying n-o-t-h-i-n-g. Banal dead beat conspircy plot with $$$ as their earthly reward my good man.
Dr Frank Mobbs can assist you there:
http://www.thetruthdecoded.org.au/The-Da-Vinci-Lie-with-Dr-Frank-Mobbs.php
Michael Webb
Michael Webb,
Sounds like the DLP campaign in Lyne.
Greeensborough Growler :
No still alive and kicking. But according to midnorthcoast everybody’s campaign is over except oakeshott. He states he’s polling 65% the greens about 7% and everybody else to make up the leftovers.
Is he Oakeshotts campaign manager or what ?
Ziggy
Ziggy,
Still alive. Ha!
The parrot is dead.
I’d just love to know what this is supposed to mean. You do realise that if the Greens’ second preferences get counted, it’s because they got eliminated already… right?