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  4. 1301
    Ferny Grover

    It’s the funeral drums Ferny, a slow and relentless tattoo, echoing across the end of the Clinton era.

    It’s a mournful sound, but it’s going to turn into a dixie swing any minute!

  5. So…where’s the money coming from?

    If she raised over $10 million following PA and loaned over $6 million of her own cash to the NC and IN contests, it’s amost certain that all her coffers will be empty now.

    So…how is she going to fund the next few campaigns? I mean, would YOU invest in her now???

  6. I’d love to believe that Hillary will concede tomorrow, and if she wants to ever run again she’d better, but I cant see her doing it. The math has been against her for a while and that hasnt stopped her. I think she’ll push on. I hope I’m wrong

  8. Sorry WB
    but this is one for the dunny door

    ‘rage against Opposition, work as hard as you can to get out of Opposition, as soon as you can’ JWH abc online

  9. Codger:

    “A top Democratic source with insight into Bill’s and Hillary’s states of mind says the Clintons are convinced that a Democratic presidency is all but certain no matter how messy the fight for the nomination.”

    …they can’t be serious!?!?

  10. what needs to happen is a bunch of SDs to come out tomorrow for Obama. Hillary is going to have to be hounded out of the contest which is silly because (a) she cant win anyway and (b) she’ll never be able to run again

    BTW Ron, Finns, GG have gone quiet

  12. 1308
    codger

    Howard’s mug was plastered on the SMH website this arvo, and I nearly spewed.

    That weevil, endorsing Horatio Hornet?

    Well that’s it for Horatio! The kiss of bloody death if ever there was one.

    Johnny freakin’ Howard? FFS, this is the 21st century!

  13. I guess its not the maths that makes today important, as Obama had the maths before today. Its the fact that he survived a firestorm of bad press, that was quite relentless. Very impressive indeed

  14. 1310
    Andrew

    They were always quiet Andrew (as to having anything sensible to say), but they just made lots of silly noises while they were at it.

    They have however, provided endless entertainment

  15. 1311
    Ferny Grover

    I get the feeling this could get weirder, a lot weirder, before Hillary realises the life support has been turned off.

    It’s that Terry Schiavo moment, with Hillary connected to the machine that goes ‘ping’!

  16. Obama’s 50/50 split for mchigan and florida is by far the fairest and most politically positive option: the delegations get to join the convention, but cannot affect the result – perfectly fair!

  17. KR @ 1309
    Rain is right about ‘theft’ they do ‘own’ ‘it’…but today’s turnout & #’s render the mythematics into a well glazed pair of dog* balls swinging in the breeze just under the Super’s noses…

    Will they just sniff or whack?

  18. Clinton will hang on til the bitter end. She has the right to do so and will not relent. A lot of people will admire her for it and in the end she will stump for Obama. People will admire that even more.

  20. “Will they just sniff or whack?”

    Depends on their familiarity with the m.o. of contemporary W.A. opposition leaders, codger.

    Been one of the grandest days in Sep political junkiedom for quite a while, probably Super Tuesday. Thanks for the craic, all. Sleep tight.

  22. Stop Press:

    I’ve seen the future, and I’m telling you, it IS NOT pretty:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/07/business/07fannie.html?ref=business

    A quick decipher:

    The two biggest players in the US mortgage business, now that the banks are off licking their wounds, are extending themselves over a cliff.

    A huge freakin’ cliff. A five trillion dollar cliff, and they are hanging on a few billions of dollars in rope.

    Sweet jesuz, kiss your children and start prayin’.

    It is a very long, long way, down.

  23. codge, i’m an obamaphile. and i’ve never had good feelings about clinton. but i’m starting to respect her tenacity. in the end, she cannot win the nomination, but she can make herself into a formidable voice for the democratic party in november. i’m starting to warm to the idea of the contest running to its historic, ineluctable conclusion.

  24. blindoptimist at 1323
    I agree – I don’t think we will see a concession tomorrow – if fact I figure that the next major event in that committee meeting later this month. I’m working on some numbers to see just how desperate this is – and the potential role of John Edwards’ gang of 19.

  25. blindoptimist, don’t disagree with you but she hasn’t yet on that front is my point; she may well surprise me…we’ll see…

    & you do recall I’m from the three choice no choice camp (hey it’s lonely in here!), more cynical than Dio, tis possible…

  26. KR, the housing market is still contracting and is forecast to remain on a declining trajectory for at least the rest of 2008, so you’re right to be worried about Fannie & Freddie. But they are the only reliable buyer in the mortage market at present, so it would be a disaster if they were to retract. It would certainly provoke even more trouble in the glutted housing sector.

  27. cmon bludgers

    you’re just enjoying the spectacle too much

    this is about beating the Repugs badly come Nov.

    she should go now..as it is now clearly over..and endorse Obama. she can then campaign for Obama or quietly slip back to the Senate.

    this is what she should do if she cared about the Party.

    however, the reality is Billary are just like Lie-berman.

    the Party is just their vehicle.

  28. your cynicism and my blindoptimism….like pepper on tomatoes….too much pepper will make the dish inedible, no matter the sweetness of the fruit…

  29. imho, one of the huge advantages this year is running against a 72yo who is looking frailer by the month.

    the Dems are wasting time. tire the old bastard out and make it plain to the electorate how old and incapable of running the country he is.

    Maxine and K Rudd did it beautifully to JWH.

    cmon start putting the blowtorch to him. he sounds bloody terrible when he talks.

  30. 1326
    blindoptimist

    And they are both bleeding money at the moment. Losses are piling up, they refuse to re-capitalise because it would further dilute shareholder’s stakes, and Congress cannot force them.

    This is where the rubber hits the road between the public good and the private sef-enrichment.

    But anyone who has seen the dodgey ‘bookkeeping’ and the shady practices from these two institutions over the years will not be assured that the US mortgage market is in ‘safe hands’.

    In fact, it’s almost certain to go belly up, and the US taxpayers will be left indentured, or at least will be selling their children into Chinese fuedal servitude.

    From slave owners to slaves in a couple of centuries: the history of the United States of America.

    A victory of ‘dumbocracy’?

  31. I tend to agree that we won’t see a concession tomorrow.

    I have a date for you to all mark in though: May 20. The day Obama wins the pledged delegate count.

    There’s a handy meter on his site which has been referred to before – it currently states that he needs 34 delegates to secure a majority of pledged delegates. He’ll get a dozen or so from West Virginia next week, and on May 20 there are two primaries with more than enough delegates between them for him to take the magic number.

    That speech is going to be dynamic, and the follow on from that swift and brutal. Half – sorry, probably close to 3/4 or more – of the general public don’t understand the delegate system, but put it into nice simple phrases for them – I have a majority – and they tend to get the gist.

    It would not surprise me in the slightest if a dozen or so SD’s came out in the day or two after that and said ‘I am endorsing Obama because he has won.’ Perfect reasoning, especially for those who don’t want to annoy the Clinton’s until they can possibly help it. He will be perceived as ‘the winner.’

    At that point, Clinton officially takes the Huckabee route. Obama will start talking about her ‘democratic right to see out the race.’ Everything becomes a formality from then. Clinton thus has one of two choices: concede on June 3 or get publicly humiliated in the week or two after, as the SD’s are given no choice but to stand behind their nominee.

    That’s how I see the end game unfolding. Plausible?

  33. Amount of money (AUD) bet on each Dem Nom on betfair.

    Total pool: $6.323 million

    Obama $3.260 million
    Clinton $2.766 million

    In parentheses –
    Gore $211 K (never nominated)
    Edwards $62 K (withdrew)

  37. imagine his nice old weezy sound after 5 months of non stop campaigning in 35 states.

    he’ll be looking and sounding like old father time.

  38. he’ll be looking and sounding like old father time. With a PNAC script modified for the Moment.

    tic toc……………………………………………………….100 years…
    p*x americana………………………………………………lunchtime

    I think Finns did this better. More better.

    BTW KR I think you owe me $20? Remember?

  39. 1331….It’s certainly possible, Max. But why would she concede? She’s been losing for months: it hasn’t been enough to force her out. I think she will make the party go through the whole process. Obama will win and she will be defeated. But she will be unbowed. She is proud of who she is and what she’s trying to do. She won’t just stop because it seems like the convenient thing to do.

  44. blindoptimist at 1343
    Nothing – the silence is ‘interesting’.
    The roumors are that the Obama campaign are holding back announcements with the notion of announcements corresponding to inevitable good press days for Hilllary in the next couple of weeks – simply because the media for the moment is totally pre-occupied on the ‘Hillary cannot win’ breaking scenario.

  47. blind optimist at 1339.

    I know what you are saying. But I think the game changes completely after June 3. As it stands, party leaders don’t really have the authority or mandate to step in and finish this race publicly. The system is, to put it simply, designed to ensure all states have their say. To step in now would quite rightly piss off a lot of people – they can’t interfere with their own nominating system.

    Come June 3, it’s much easier to argue they now have a responsibility to make their intention clear. The public has voted. Theoretically, nothing is going to change in the next two months before the convention. The argument they need ‘more time’ becomes ridiculous. Public pressure will – IMO – ensure most of them come out of their closets.

    Why would she concede June 3? Because she can do it with the speech ‘I’m proud I fought for my supporters until the very end, but it’s time to concede now that while we’ve fought the good race, we ultimately came second. Hence, I now formally endorse Barack Obama for the Democratic Nomination of the United States, and release my delegates, urging them to vote for him this August.’

    Wounds immediately start to heal. Country breathes sigh of relief. Democrats return to loving Bill Clinton, and respecting his talented wife. Media portrays Hillary as truly noble, and mourns the fact she will never be president, albeit very temporarily. Day after, Obama thanks Clinton for loyal service to country/party, two weeks later announces Florida and Michigan are to be seated at the convention after all. Awwww. Everyone is happy.

    Stay on after that, and she doesn’t leave. She gets thrown under a bus publicly and very humiliatingly. There’s no way it can end with her looking good, in fact i suspect that way ends with her losing her influence and power in the Senate, not to mention any very remote chance at a future presidency tilt.

    Just my thoughts.

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