The Australian reports the latest Newspoll has Labor’s two-party lead at 58-42, out from 57-43 three weeks ago. The primary votes are Labor 36% (steady), Coalition 24% (steady), Greens 13% (up two) and One Nation 15% (steady). Anthony Albanese is up one on approval to 47% and down four on disapproval to 47%, while Sussan Ley is up one to 26% and down three to 55%. Albanese’s lead on preferred prime minister is unchanged at 54-27. Also included is a question on preferred Liberal leader, which has Sussan Ley at 21%, Andrew Hastie at 15%, Angus Taylor at 9%, Tim Wilson at 6% and Ted O’Brien 3%, the balance being “don’t know”. Among Coalition voters, the respective numbers are 28%, 20%, 12%, 7% and 2%. The poll was conducted Monday to Thursday from a sample of 1245.
A beautiful set of numbers…
In the wake of this Newspoll, I wonder if they’ll move on Ley this week.
WOW! 😯
Train wreck.
So all those stories about the Prime Minister not being ambitious enough haven’t made a dent.
Epic PB homepage refresh.
Australian headline: Newspoll: Andrew Hastie firms as Liberal alternative to Sussan Ley
Headline and opening sentence in the National Rupert re the latest Newspoll:
”Newspoll: Hastie firms as voter alternative to Ley
Andrew Hastie has emerged as the most popular preferred Opposition Leader behind Sussan Ley, as the Coalition’s primary vote remains stuck at record low levels.”
EDIT: Holden Hillbilly snap
Wow! Greens back to 13%. They’re back, at least on Newspoll.
Albo & the gov’t though, def at their peak. 58% 2PP. Mega.
The Senate needs to have a hard think if they want to play games with the Nature Pos Bill’s.
They don’t want to give Albo a few DD triggers, especially with these polling numbers.
It could end up a 60% 2PP by early next year, if the Senate keeps stuffing around with gov’t legislation.
Hastie & Taylor still trail Ley. And I reckon around 7% of One Nation’s support is soft.
It seems as though the electorate is disapproving of the Coalition abandoning their commitment to Net Zero. That’s the biggest news that came out of the Coalition in the last 3 weeks. So the Coalition would be fools to replace Sussan Ley with a new leader who is even more wedded to the idea of bringing back coal into the mix and abandoning Labor’s program to replace fossil fuels with Renewables.
If only Sussan Ley would realise that this is a message that people are unhappy with her abandoning the principle of Net Zero by 2050. They certainly don’t seem to be convinced by her silly line that the Coalition’s ‘plan’ will somehow produce lower power prices, I think it’s safe to say.
I hope there is one more Newspoll for the year to be released after the Coalition release their immigration policy. It could go to 60-40 for Labor.
“The Newspoll, which included a question asking 1245 voters who should lead the Coalition from a list featuring Ms Ley, Mr Hastie, opposition defence spokesman Angus Taylor, Deputy Opposition Leader Ted O’Brien and opposition industrial relations spokesman Tim Wilson, showed …
… 46 per cent of Australians didn’t know who they would prefer.”
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/newspoll-andrew-hastie-firms-as-liberal-alternative-to-sussan-ley/news-story/ae7d5d377e1f1d49da95f681615eb7db?btr=617f3afa69b09c6bb349894728e8b230
Hastie is still unknown but being pushed heavily by right wing media to take on the role.
Labor could win 100/150 seats on these numbers.
Renshaw third tonne of the Shield season, to go with two halfers.
Doesn’t care any more. Won’t get picked for Australia. Isn’t part of the old mens club. Has a family. Make money in 20/20 and carve up for Queensland.
Voters don’t like Ms Ley, but like her much more her than her colleagues 🙂
> The voters always get it right.
40 percent primary vote for non-duopoly parties and independents. The trend continues.
I’m not sure I ever thought I would be backing Lindsey Graham, but he does seem the lesser of two evils.
Glorious.
80-20 is what the LNP deserve though.
A great result for Labor after a year’s hard work.
Sussan Ley will be lucky to survive to Christmas. The only thing that helps here is the spread ov votes amongst her rivals. None are inspiring.
Will this make the Liberals willing to negotiate with the government over bills this week, or unable to?
nadia,
I think the smoke signals out of Parliament House are suggesting that The Greens may be close to coming to an agreement with Labor to pass the Nature Positive Bill. Sarah Hanson-Young seemed agreeable to a phase out of native forest logging, rather than an immediate end, which was one of their sticking points. Also, I believe they’ve also reached agreement about the Minister no longer overriding department disapproval of coal and gas projects, in the ‘national interest’.
Re Pegasus @7:40. ”40 percent primary vote for non-duopoly parties and independents. The trend continues.”
That is a very good point. The Coalition vote is collapsing, One Nation seems to be picking up most of that, with only small increases to Labor, the Greens and Someone Else.
If Andrew Hastie who is more gaffe prone than Angus Taylor and Andrew Hastie is similar to Peter Dutton is not a campaigner, were to become federal liberal party leader , he may not last as long as Sussan Ley
my opinion
Andrew Hastie as federal liberal party leader the liberal party primary vote could get into
single figures and the lib/nats combined primary vote below 20%
outside Of Ted O’Brien and Tim Wilson
Angus Taylor is the main option the federal liberal have , even though the Federal lib/nats combined primary vote will struggle to be 30% +
I shall retrack my suggestion that the last newspoll was a rogue poll. Although Newspoll hasn’t lined up with other polls.
Pegasussays:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 7:30 pm
40 percent primary vote for non-duopoly parties and independents. The trend continues.
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That sounds like something the Oz would say (and did say with wtte that last Newspoll, iirc).
Gee, Coalition stuck on an all time low of 24 primary.
Appears baked in…
c@t, yes. Sarah Hanson Young has been prominent this past week, and she comes across as quite sensible. I suppose she’s been in Parliament for a while now so she knows her trade.
I don’t have an issue with the Ministerial override bit. Ministers are paid to make decisions and sometimes the public need a Politician to step in and override a “bogged down committee”.
I think Sarah Hanson-Young is an OK politician. Ms Waters seems a bit “lost at sea”. S.B.Y is OK.
I guess Australians are saying noalition.
I think Australia needs the Liberals to get their act together. Having PHON become the dominant party of the right in Australia would not be a good thing.
As the dust begins to settle, it would appear the electoral result of dumping net zero is pushing a few voters to The Greens from the ‘others’ column, ultimately to the advantage of the Government. Slow clap.
From the previous thread:
Kirsdarke
I also genuinely felt sick when I heard the plan in full.
Given that given that Marco Rubio suggests that the “peace plan” was written by Russia, we really now have the whole Munich debacle ready to rhyme with history.
The Independent has the plan: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/trump-ukraine-28-point-peace-plan-putin-russia-nato-b2870340.html
The resonances with Munich in 1938 are too strong to ignore, and I think Putin knows this. There is a lot of “trolling” going on here.
So, Putin demands bits of Ukraine he has been trying to conquer since 2014, but has not been able to win by force of arms, particularly the whole of the Donbas region. This means that Ukraine gives up the defensive line it established in Donbas after the 2014 Russian invasion. Also, the Donbas has much of the coal, iron and steel, and industrial production of Ukraine.
And Ukraine has to limit the size of its armed forces and give up many effective weapons. It will be rendered defenceless except for the “guarantee of Trump’s United States. Oh, and the US and Russia will make a Shitload of money out of the “peace” deal.
So, Munich.
Mussolini, at the end of September 1938, brokered a “peace” between Czechoslovakia and Germany. The Czechoslovakian prime minister and president were excluded from the talks, which were hashed out between England, France and Germany.
At one stage, when Hitler presented his demands (not sure how many points), Sir Neville Henderson, the British Ambassador to Germany said “This is ein Diktat” (or WTTE). Hitler then pointed to the heading at the top of the document and said “No, it is a memorandum”.
Anyway, the very tired and stressed Czechoslovaks were presented with a fait accompli well after midnight and surrendered. There was probably no other choice given the situation militarily, and the fact that Britain and France would not fight to protect them.
But, in giving up the Sudetenland at Munich, the Czechoslovaks gave away their industrial heartland, and also their line of defence against Germany.
In March 1939, the Germans just marched in and took the lot. Including the cows and houses. The Sudetenland Czechs left with only the clothes on their back.
I think Trump, our Orange Mussolini, is getting involved for similar reasons – he is very favourable to Putin, and would like a Europe where Putin holds the old Warsaw pact countries – none of this individual choice stuff, and women back in the kitchen. And the Russian Orthodox hard version of militant and unforgiving Christianity has a real resonance with Trump.
Confessions says Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 8:22 am
I wonder how rank and file MAGA feel about this? I guess it’s Project 2025 in action.
The absence of any leadership talent or name recognition in the Liberal Party is a real problem for them.
Perhaps parachuting in someone from an earlier time? Or anoint them as LOTO outside Parliament, ala Campbell Newman?
Josh Frydenburg? Apparently he is considering.
Tony Abbott? A NSW Senate seat looms
Surely not Scott Morrison.
Pegasus says:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 7:30 pm
40 percent primary vote for non-duopoly parties and independents. The trend continues.’
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True. With the 40% more or less cancelling each other out by being on either extreme.
sprocket_ says:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 7:43 pm
Gee, Coalition stuck on an all time low of 24 primary.
Appears baked in…
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The O.N. vote seems to be getting “baked in”. 15% on Newspoll, two polls in a row, and I think they hit 17.5% the other day on another poll (Redbridge or Spectre).
Hmmm, don’t know about the LNP primary of 24%. It hasn’t budged despite them dropping the “net zero” targets. Could be the salesman (or saleswoman) in this case, and not the product.
Possibly the LNP base want a change of leader before they start telling pollsters that they’ll return to the LNP.
I thought with the policy change that the ON vote would drop a notch, and the LNP vote would go up.
Mrs Ley might have a tough week coming up in Parliament.
Victoria says Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 10:15 am
I thought Maxwell was supposed to be a Mossad agent 🙂
Bring back Scomo 🙂
Why haven’t they asked about the Big Fella from Wright? He is my Smokey to lead the Libs and I’ve been saying it for weeks.
Newspoll have got it all wrong. I reckon Scott Buchholz could drive the Tory vote down to the early teens.
SL says:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 7:51 pm
Bring back Scomo
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Hehe. Quote of the day. Don’t need to hold a hose for that one cobber. Well done.
Anti-zionism v antisemitism. Bondi Beach “F*** Israel” t-shirt man in court battle for freedom of speech
https://michaelwest.com.au/anti-zionism-v-antisemitism-bondi-beach-f-israel-t-shirt-man-in-court-battle-for-freedom-of-speech/
“Police now want to drop charges against a man they arrested last year for wearing a F*** Israel F*** Zionism t-shirt. But the man, Andrew Brown, wants his day in court. Michael West reports on a big test for free speech.
:::
“I wanted to give you a clear and honest picture of where things stand with my court matter over the protest shirt that said “Fuck Israel, Fuck Zionism” and why it has grown far beyond a simple offence charge. It has become a test of political speech, police overreach, and the quiet power of a state agency determined to make an example of someone in order to appease a powerful lobby.”
From the previous thread:
Snap!
Good to see the Greens bounce back in this poll and nice to hear they might be in contention to win seats at the South Australian election
The Liberals are a mess and it’s hard to see them turning things around quickly. They need to find a policy they can unite on and change the narrative with, I’m guessing that will be economic/tax reform but we’ll see
Hard Being Green says:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 7:54 pm
Good to see the Greens bounce back in this poll and nice to hear they might be in contention to win seats at the South Australian election
The Liberals are a mess and it’s hard to see them turning things around quickly. They need to find a policy they can unite on and change the narrative with, I’m guessing that will be economic/tax reform but we’ll see
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Migration Dog Whistle cobber. Watch this space.
lol Boerwar giving the “extreme Greens” political trope another run.
@Douglas and Milko at 7:46pm
Nicely put. Yeah, it certainly does stink of the “Western Betrayal” of Czechoslovakia in 1938.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOeiEKemWeA
True enough Upnorth, maybe immigration is the one although they’ll have to be careful to get their messaging right
Business won’t be happy though
Just watched the Insiders replay, and Hanson Young spinning the maximalist position on the EPBC Act changes.
No coal and gas. Scope 3 emissions to weigh on approvals. Stop native forest logging immediately. All red lines.
Collateral impact on renewable and housing approvals? Stiff cheddar.
As inaugural quote of the day winner I’d like to thank my fellow bludgers for their hard work during the year, sprocket whose post I responded to, Upnorth for sponsoring this award and most of all the Liberals for being such a dysfunctional opponent.
100 seats is generous to the Libs, a 3% swing would see more than another dozen seats fall. So around 105-110 for Labor. Fairfax, Fisher, Fadden, McPherson would all be at risk because those seats are the sort of seats that are not receptive to Trump politics.
sprocket_ says:
Sunday, November 23, 2025 at 8:00 pm
Just watched the Insiders replay, and Hanson Young spinning the maximalist position on the EPBC Act changes.
No coal and gas. Scope 3 emissions to weigh on approvals. Stop native forest logging immediately. All red lines.
Collateral impact on renewable and housing approvals? Stiff cheddar.
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The impotent are pure.
Josh Frydenberg is no moderate and the voters know it. He’s a favourite of the legacy media but not with the electorate. There will be a big, well funded push to get him back into Parliament but it will probably fail. People see what he represents.
Ahhh Packer.
Bring back the biff.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/may/06/bondi-brawl-packer-gyngell-police
One photo showed Packer doing a Tyson aka ear chew.