RedBridge Group: 55.5-44.5 to Labor (open thread)

The second pollster to take the field since the election confirms Labor’s dominance, plus an update on prospects for a legal challenge to the result in Bradfield.

The Financial Review has the results of a large-sample poll from RedBridge Group, the second pollster to take the field post-election after Roy Morgan. The results are not far off Roy Morgan’s: Labor on 37%, compared with 34.6% at the election; the Coalition on 31%, compared with 31.8%; and the Greens on 11%, compared with 12.2%. Labor is credited with a 55.5-44.5 lead on two-party preferred, compared with an election result of 55.2-44.8 – lower than I might have expected based on preference flows from the recent election, but perhaps explicable by One Nation accounting for a larger share of “others”. Breakdowns are more balanced than you might expect with regard to gender, but results by age tell a familiar story of the Coalition vote descending from 44% among the 65+ cohort to 19% among 18-to-34, the Greens rising from 2% to 24%, and Labor fairly consistent across the board. The poll was conducted “late June” from a sample of 4036.

Another item of federally relating polling emerges from a report by Alexandra Smith of the Sydney Morning Herald on debate within the Liberal Party over whether to challenge independent Nicolette Boele’s 26-vote win in Bradfield in court. Local branch presidents are calling on the party to put up the money, but others consider this “a risk financially and politically”. The report cites polling conducted in mid-June for Climate 200 which suggests Boele would likely win a by-election resulting from a legal challenge, with her primary vote up from 27.0% at the election to 33.2%, with Gisele Kapterian’s 37.3% comparing with an election result of 38.0%.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. From the previous thread:

    Entropy (AnonBlock)
    Wednesday, July 2nd, 2025 – 9:34 pm
    Comment #484
    It was stated in the video that the giga-factory concept will be adapted for the purpose of their construction.

    Have you even watched the video? You could have answered your own question.
    ==============================================================

    I thought the video was mainly Tesla spin. In my opinion Tesla has just placed a big order of small houses to be made by Boxabl in its current USA factories (Las Vegas) to a custom design specified by Tesla. Which will have the Tesla badge on it. This just looks like an on selling exercise of a Boxabl manufactured product. No doubt if it successful and the demand for Boxabl manufactured product increases. Boxabl (not Tesla) will need to expand its USA manufacturing by building more or bigger factories.

    The word giga-factory is just Tesla spin too. The biggest factory by area is the Boeing factory but that is never referred to as giga-factory to my knowledge.

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    I thought the video was mainly Tesla spin.
    Well, duh. Observation of the century. Not. 😐
    It was a video that promoted a new Tesla product.

    In my opinion Tesla has just placed a big order of small houses to be made by Boxabl in its current USA factories (Las Vegas) to a custom design specified by Tesla.
    And? I thought that the custom design by Tesla was better than anything else I have seen in the Tiny House space. Also, obviously a concept that Boxabl were not sufficiently creative enough to come up with themselves. But yes, the Chinese are great at fabricating, not so great at coming up with original concepts. Which is why they keep nicking other countries’ IP.

    Which will have the Tesla badge on it.
    Duh x 2. The Tesla team designed them.

    Boxabl (not Tesla) will need to expand its USA manufacturing by building more or bigger factories.
    Absolute crap. As the video explained. Tesla will construct its own factories to manufacture the units. Likely once they start getting regulatory approval on a more consistent basis than they already have.

    This just looks like an on selling exercise of a Boxabl manufactured product.
    Erm, that’s a cute way of ignoring the elephant in the room. It’s a Tesla team designed product which Boxabl will manufacture until such time as Tesla build as dedicated factory of their own to mass produce them.

    The word giga-factory is just Tesla spin too.
    So? Marketing 101 Also, the factories are very, very big. Would you prefer they were called Tesla’s ‘Very Very Big Factories’? 😐

    The biggest factory by area is the Boeing factory but that is never referred to as giga-factory to my knowledge.

    They make airplanes. So, of course it would be a huge area, along with every other airplane manufacturer in the world, in which to build them in. That they don’t refer to them as ‘gigafactories’ is neither here nor there.

    Honestly, Entropy, I think your arguments against Musk’s companies need to be a bit more robust than that. 😀

    I don’t have much time for the guy at the best of times but when I see his company produce something that is a paradigm shift on the conventional, I’ll say so.

  2. Leroy @ #489 Wednesday, July 2nd, 2025 – 11:19 pm

    They also had an ongoing 20 seat tracking poll poll that was closer to the mark, the last one implying 54.5% to ALP. https://bsky.app/profile/6newsau.bsky.social/post/3ln54elioge2z

    Unfortunately Redbridge’s final marginal seat poll succumbed to the same problem as Roy Morgan, with the final poll in that series breaking the established trend and showing a sudden weakening for the ALP:

    The print editions of the News Corp papers have a final wave of the RedBridge Group-Accent Research tracking poll of 20 marginal seats, in which Labor’s blowout 54.5-45.5 lead over the previous two weeks has moderated to 53-47, implying a swing to Labor of 2%. The accompanying report is light on for detail – nothing on primary votes, field work dates or sample size – but there is likely to be more from a forthcoming online report.

    https://www.pollbludger.net/2025/05/02/final-polls-newspoll-and-demosau-open-thread/

  3. Today is Exactly 2 months , since the 2025 federal election

    The federal Lib/nats and propaganda media units, still doing the same things which failed very badly for them before and during the 2025 federal election period.

  4. The demographic breakdown of the Redbridge poll tell a tale…

    Very much so. The coalition is attractive to old men living in rural communities. And when you look at their partyroom, you see that demographic reflected quite strongly.

  5. Scott @ #3 Thursday, July 3rd, 2025 – 6:52 am

    Today is Exactly 2 months , since the 2025 federal election

    The federal Lib/nats and propaganda media units, still doing the same things which failed very badly for them before and during the 2025 federal election period.

    The bleating of these political dinosaurs is becoming more ineffectual by the day.

  6. The 18-34yo group is a wasteland for the Coalition. Climate; housing affordability; tax/super. Will they get the message?

  7. World News & Politics Patrol:

    North Korea to Reinforce Moscow With 30,000 Troops: https://www.kyivpost.com/post/55585

    Kremlin obtains missile chips via dummy companies while Trump stalls sanctions: https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/07/2/7519840/

    Plane crash near Kazakhstan’s Aktau: recording surfaces of Russian giving order to open fire: https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/07/2/7519759/

    Kremlin Welcomes Halt in U.S. Arms Shipments to Ukraine: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/07/02/kremlin-welcomes-halt-in-us-arms-shipments-to-ukraine-a89648

    US Contractors Say Their Colleagues Are Firing Live Ammo as Palestinians Seek Food in Gaza: https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/07/02/us-contractors-say-their-colleagues-are-firing-live-ammo-palestinians-seek-food-gaza.html

    Israeli military used 500lb bomb in strike on Gaza cafe, fragments reveal: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/02/israeli-military-bomb-fragments-gaza-al-baqa-cafe

    US lawmakers propose bill to give Israel B-2 bombers, bunker busters against future Iran threat: https://www.jpost.com/american-politics/article-859805

    Scrap triple lock pension to avoid raising retirement age to 74, IFS warns: https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/money/pensions-and-retirement/scrap-triple-lock-pension-avoid-retirement-age-3782377

    MPs vote to proscribe Palestine Action as terrorist organisation: https://news.sky.com/story/mps-approve-plans-to-proscribe-palestine-action-as-terrorist-organisation-13391291

    DOJ Opens Door To Stripping Citizenship Over Politics: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/doj-opens-door-to-stripping-citizenship-over-politics

    Huge Setback for Trump With Alligator Alcatraz Already Flooding: https://www.thedailybeast.com/huge-setback-for-trump-with-alligator-alcatraz-already-flooding/

    House Conservatives Threaten to Sink Trump’s ‘Big Beautiful’ Bill: https://www.thedailybeast.com/house-conservatives-threaten-to-sink-trumps-big-beautiful-bill/

    Trump Says He Won’t Let ‘Communist Lunatic’ Zohran Mamdani ‘Destroy New York’: ‘Rest Assured, I Hold All The Levers’: https://www.latintimes.com/trump-says-he-wont-let-communist-lunatic-zohran-mamdani-destroy-new-york-rest-assured-i-586020

    JD Vance Accidentally Reveals How Badly Trump Is Screwing MAGA Voters: https://newrepublic.com/article/197505/angry-jd-vance-accidentally-reveals-trump-screwing-maga-voters

    AOC Taunts Republicans Criticizing Trump’s ‘Big, Beautiful’ Bill: ‘You Do NOT Vote For Things You Deem a Failure’: https://www.latintimes.com/aoc-taunts-republicans-criticizing-trumps-big-beautiful-bill-you-do-not-vote-things-you-deem-586019

    House left in limbo as megabill talks continue: https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2025/07/02/congress/house-left-in-limbo-as-megabill-talks-continue-00437830

    Jan. 6 defendant sentenced to life in prison for plotting to kill FBI special agents who investigated him: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/jan-6-defendant-sentenced-life-prison-plotting-kill-fbi-special-agents-rcna216526

    Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs’ found not guilty of racketeering and sex trafficking but convicted of lesser charges: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jury-reaches-verdict-sean-diddy-combs-sex-trafficking-trial-rcna214785

    Australia cancels rapper Ye’s visa over ‘Heil Hitler’ release: https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/australia-cancels-rapper-visa-heil-hitler-release-123401917

  8. newy boy @ #7 Thursday, July 3rd, 2025 – 7:16 am

    The 18-34yo group is a wasteland for the Coalition. Climate; housing affordability; tax/super. Will they get the message?

    The Coalition got this group badly wrong. They thought they didn’t pay much attention to politics and were too busy partying. Also that the male cohort would behave like the young men in America, but they were wrong. Our younger generations are very switched on to the world around them and how they have agency to shape it.

  9. Thanks for the AFR link, in the previous thread, Leroy:
    https://archive.is/xAg6I

    Redbridge’s sample size is impressive (n = 4036). Without such a large n they couldn’t do a valid demographic breakdown.

    Naturally the AFR and Redbridge’s resident Tory propagandist had to put their slant on it: Barry says the risk to Labor is that its election victory was “a mile wide but an inch deep.”
    Which was followed by sanewashing the delusions of Littleproud.

  10. What does this phrase refer to?

    “the rising from 2% to 24%”

    I think there could be a word missing. Maybe Greens vote is 2% from the over 65s up to 24% in the youngsters?

  11. @Stoogey:

    Naturally the AFR and Redbridge’s resident Tory propagandist had to put their slant on it: Barry says the risk to Labor is that its election victory was “a mile wide but an inch deep.”

    _______

    If one simply considers the breath of Labor’s 94 seats that observation has a cursory attraction.

    However, the spine of Labor’s majority seems to be a mile deep, with many traditionally marginal seats now sitting on very large Labor margins. Beyond that is the actual tale of both the election result and this poll: “Big Anti-Labor” is literally dying out: pale, male, stale and rapidly aging.

    Further to that point is my opinion: whilst Labor is never going to be a real chance in ‘Teal Seats” the fact that the Liberal party seems to have lost its heartland for a generation also means that in the next ring of seats that Labor is competitive in – those middle ring suburban seats (think about seats like Bennelong, Reid, Menzies, Chilsolm, and the comparable Adelaide and Perth ones) are also likely to be beyond their grasp as well as they are full of migrants, families with children and generally folk who actually care about things like solar-battery schemes, child care rebates, better Medicare rebates, etc; rather than endless Kulcha war anger button issues.

    Baking that point in is the fact that the various “Little Anti-Labor” tribes out there seem to have a pretty hard ceiling of popular support. The Teals are a petite bourgeoise circle jerk. The Greens Political Party are a Trotskyist front and as a potential mass movement “community independents” will always resemble a sack of angry cats.

    At the moment, and structurally, the state of Big Anti-labor and the limitations of the various Little Anti-Labor tribes out there mean that there is no “United Anti-Labor” in operation. This is a pretty unique situation in Australian political history.

  12. Morning all. Thanks for the International roundup HH.

    What a stark contrast between Australia, which has just raised super contributions, and UK, which is facing an unaffordable pension system and the need to raise retirement age beyond 70.

    Keating and Labor should be proud of the Super system, one of its greatest achievements. UK should copy it, if Starmer has the courage.

  13. C@tmomma, Thursday, July 3, 2025 at 7:46 am:

    Kremlin Welcomes Halt in U.S. Arms Shipments to Ukraine: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/07/02/kremlin-welcomes-halt-in-us-arms-shipments-to-ukraine-a89648

    What a bloody indictment, in all senses of the word, of the Trump Administration.

    Even worse, C@t, the Trump Administration didn’t even bother to inform Kyiv in advance, even though that decision makes a very material difference to Kyiv’s military planning!

    “Ukraine says it wasn’t notified of US weapons shipment halt; official insists ‘deliveries continue'”
    https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-says-it-was-not-officially-notified-of-a-halt-in-us-weapons-shipments/

    Ukraine has not received any official notification from the U.S. about suspension or rescheduling of military aid, the Defense Ministry said on July 2, following media reporting that Washington had paused some shipments of Patriot missiles and other arms.

    In a statement, the ministry said it is working to verify the current status of all elements in the agreed aid packages and has requested a phone call with U.S. defense officials for further clarification.

    “Ukraine has not received official notices regarding the suspension or revision of the delivery schedules of agreed defense assistance,” the statement read.

    Separately, presidential advisor Mykhailo Podolyak said that the “deliveries continue.”

    “It would look very strange and inhumane to stop supplying missiles for Patriot systems that protect Ukrainian civilians,” Podolyak said when asked about the pause on air on the Freedom TV channel.

    Trump is an enemy as far as I am concerned. I would cheer if he was assassinated.

  14. The US didn’t even let its European ‘allies’ know it was going to halt supplies of desperately needed defensive munitions to Ukraine:

    “European partners reportedly caught off guard as US halts arms shipments to Ukraine”
    https://kyivindependent.com/european-partners-caught-off-guard-as-us-halts-arms-shipments-to-ukraine/

    The Trump administration’s decision to halt deliveries of key military aid to Ukraine has caught European partners off guard and prompted urgent requests for clarification, Bloomberg reported on July 2, citing unnamed sources.

    The pause affects the delivery of several weapons critical to Ukraine’s defense, including Patriot air defense missiles, precision-guided artillery shells, Hellfire missiles, and munitions for F-16 fighter jets.

    The White House confirmed the hold, describing it as part of a broader reassessment of U.S. military stockpiles. Since U.S. President Donald Trump took office in January, the U.S. has not approved any new military aid packages for Ukraine.

    According to Bloomberg, some European allies hope the Trump administration will soften or reverse the decision. The timing of the pause has raised particular concern as Ukraine faces one of the most intense waves of Russian missile and drone attacks since the start of the war.

    Trump and his administration truly are arseholes.

  15. New Analysis: Fracking Beetaloo equals over 235 years of polluting gas power

    https://www.marketforces.org.au/new-analysis-fracking-beetaloo-equals-over-235-years-of-polluting-gas-power/

    “New Market Forces analysis reveals fracking the Northern Territory’s Beetaloo Basin would produce more than nine times the entire gas demand forecast for Australia’s National Electricity Market (NEM) for the next 25 years.

    The report – Pipeline to Nowhere: APA Group’s dangerous bet on Beetaloo fracking – finds it would take Australia’s NEM a staggering 237 years to use the proposed Beetaloo fracked gas, making a mockery of claims by pipeline company, APA Group, that new gas fields like Beetaloo are needed to support Australia’s transition to net-zero by 2050.

    The research also finds that Australia has more than enough gas for domestic consumption and the vast majority of Beetaloo’s gas would be shipped overseas. Less than two years (21 months) of liquefied natural gas exports from just Queensland alone would cover all demand the Australian Energy Market Operator’s (AEMO) forecasts for Australian gas power generation in the NEM until 2050.

    Will van de Pol, Chief Executive Officer, Market Forces said:

    “Our analysis confirms that fracked gas from Beetaloo is not needed at all to power Australia and would lead to much higher electricity prices for consumers.

    “Over the past 10 years, despite east coast Australia more than doubling gas production, wholesale gas prices have more than quadrupled.”

    “APA must stop gaslighting investors and Australian consumers, and drop its costly plans to unleash dangerous fracking in the Northern Territory.”

  16. “ Socrates says:
    Thursday, July 3, 2025 at 8:40 am
    Morning all. Thanks for the International roundup HH.

    What a stark contrast between Australia, which has just raised super contributions, and UK, which is facing an unaffordable pension system and the need to raise retirement age beyond 70.

    Keating and Labor should be proud of the Super system, one of its greatest achievements. UK should copy it, if Starmer has the courage.”

    _____

    It takes decades to build up a national pool of savings to make a structural impact for the economy. It also takes years – decades even – for an individuals super account to provide enough money for a comfortable retirement income – even if one is focused on something akin to a ‘replacement income’ (ie. above the pension and approximating the income that someone was receiving in the last years before requirement) for the ‘golden years’ (ie. those years immediately after retirement when a person is most likely to want to spend a lot on activities like holidays or projects) before the down hill run.

    I don’t think the Starmer government has the time. i don’t think the post brexit, Reform enthralled, population has the patience to see some of ther disposable income diverted into such a long term project either. Especially since real income growth has stalled – and in fact gone backwards on account of the post covid inflation spike.

    Brexit Britain is circling the drain pipe, and Starmer is being scapegoated politically for his efforts at reality based policy. Britain deserves Farage. Just like America deserves Trump. We should just let them both go (but we wont because of the cultural cringe).

  17. Victoria’s Yoorrook Justice Commission a ‘blueprint’ for the rest of Australia, First Nations leaders say

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-03/yoorrook-truth-telling-commission-victoria-treaty/105486736

    “States and territories have taken varying approaches and are at different stages of truth-telling and treaty processes across the country.

    South Australia has established a legislated Voice to Parliament.

    New South Wales is expected to begin treaty conversations in the coming months.

    Last year Queensland’s Crisafulli government scrapped the state’s Truth-Telling and Healing Inquiry, and earlier this year the NT government did the same with its treaty process, which had been underway for seven years.

    Senator Lidia Thorpe said she hoped the outcomes of the Yoorrook commission would set a road map for other states to follow.

    “Those recommendations are not only a pathway to treaty, they’re a pathway to peace for Aboriginal people in this country, and ways the government can close the gap they continually talk about,” she said.

    “That’s why we need federal leadership in this space, so that there’s a mandate and a template for the rest of the states and territories to get on board. Don’t be left behind.”

  18. Andrew_Earlwood, Thursday, July 3, 2025 at 8:13 am:

    @Stoogey:

    Naturally the AFR and Redbridge’s resident Tory propagandist had to put their slant on it: Barry says the risk to Labor is that its election victory was “a mile wide but an inch deep.”

    If one simply considers the breath of Labor’s 94 seats that observation has a cursory attraction.

    However, the spine of Labor’s majority seems to be a mile deep, with many traditionally marginal seats now sitting on very large Labor margins.

    Spot on. The seat with the 75th highest Labor TPP post election is Chisholm on 5.70%; the 76th is Gilmore on 5.13%. Compare with the 76th and 75th highest government seats in: 2022 (0.95%, 0.92%); 2019 (1.3%, 0.6%); 2016 (0.63%, 0.63%); 2013 (3.00%, 2.99%). Labor’s absolute HofR majority is much more secure than any other government’s these past 5 elections.

  19. Bring on the SE Queensland Labor invasion! There are cracks in that wall but we have to, tear that wall down, Mr Albanese! 😀

  20. frednk @ #24 Thursday, July 3rd, 2025 – 8:56 am


    C@tmomma says:
    Thursday, July 3, 2025 at 7:46 am

    Kremlin Welcomes Halt in U.S. Arms Shipments to Ukraine: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/07/02/kremlin-welcomes-halt-in-us-arms-shipments-to-ukraine-a89648

    What a bloody indictment, in all senses of the word, of the Trump Administration.

    USA is not building enough submarines for itself. You still confident we will get a couple?

    Of course I am. Your perspective is naïve.

  21. The Age 02/07
    The Victorian Ombudsman recommended in 2022 that working with children checks should be expanded beyond a person’s criminal history to account for any other relevant information.

    Victoria has not yet implemented that change. Allan, who became preemier in late 2023, defended the delay.

    “I just say this. I’m the premier today, and I’m taking action today in recognising we do need to do more to strengthen the working with children check, not just in terms of the state’s action, and we are already doing that in terms of strengthening the worker screening checks that will be in place from next month,” Allan said.
    _____________________
    A lot of arse covering going on there. Sounds like she is blaming Andrews for the inaction.

  22. Happy NACCiversary. Celebrating two years of not very much

    https://michaelwest.com.au/happy-nacciversary-celebrating-two-years-of-not-very-much/

    “The National Anti-Corruption Commission celebrates its second anniversary this week. Has the much-heralded initiative of the first Albanese government lived up to its expectations? Kim Wingerei asks.

    As of June 30, the NACC reports that it received 2,260 referrals over the last 12 months, down from 3,190 the previous year. It currently has five matters before the courts, and 41 matters under investigation by itself or jointly with other agencies. To date, the NACC has secured less than 20 convictions from the 5,450 referrals of potentially corrupt conduct that it has received, or 0.3%.
    :::
    But there’s one thing money won’t be able to fix, and that’s the loss of confidence and sense of betrayal that many feel about the NACC and our political class, who created it. We can only hope that Chief Commissioner Brereton is acutely aware of his failures in dealing with Robodebt, as well as the multitude of other unanswered referrals to the NACC over the past two years.”

  23. Today is National Day of Protest Rights.

    Australian Democracy Network: https://australiandemocracy.org.au/

    “Protesting allows us to voice our opinions, influence decision-makers, and advocate for the issues we care about. In Australia, protest has been instrumental in driving significant social change – like securing the eight-hour workday, women’s suffrage, First Nations land rights, advancements in LGBTIQ+ rights, and the preservation of natural sites like the Franklin River.

    Protest is a way for any one of us to have our say and be active in political debate, no matter our bank balance or political connections. No political system can truly call itself a democracy without a robust right to protest.

    Our Work
    Our vision is an Australia where people’s right to protest is protected by law, respected by the judiciary and the police, and valued in our culture. To achieve this, we are working to:

    Support grassroots groups and community organisations pushing back against a wave of anti-protest legislation across the country.

    Elevate stories highlighting the importance of protest in a healthy democracy in order to shift the anti-protest public narrative advanced by corporations and anti-democracy vested interests.

    Change policing approaches by pushing back against intimidatory protest policing.

    Establish legislative protections for the right to protest on the Federal and State level so that communities can effectively exercise their right to protest and defend it against future attempts at restriction.”

  24. Lil’Green Pony is doing her level best to keep pumping the “Anti-Labor party” tyres. I liken this to going through stages of grieving. I almost feel sorry for her. Almost. But chapeau for her continuing to show up. I guess. It seems like it’s only her and Latika Bourke who have the heart to keep trying.

  25. @Omar:
    “Unfortunately Redbridge’s final marginal seat poll succumbed to the same problem as Roy Morgan, with the final poll in that series breaking the established trend and showing a sudden weakening for the ALP”

    E. G. they joined in the herding and put a thumb on the scale in what turned out to be the wrong direction. Sucks for them.

    @Taylormade – I personally am hoping there’s no knee-jerk reactions to this terrible case that simply make life harder for good childcare workers for no actual gain. I am completely comfortable with my younger child’s childcare because I know their procedures and layout, there’s just no way a pedo could have a kid out of sight alone to do anything. Whatever insufficiency or failure to follow the rules let the pedo (allegedly) abuse kids at the place or places he worked should be publicised so that other centres can learn from it but I haven’t yet seen any indication of a systemic problem like some are howling.

    Men already face a tough time working in childcare and primary school settings and one can easily see another round of male workers being driven out of these jobs to satisfy hot-take merchants in the media when we can’t afford to be losing staff and male representation from these jobs in the first place.

  26. Wrt subs and retirement plans, I think the USA defence establishment view Australia as their retirement plan A for subs and all the rest of their nuclear waste. I’m not sure if they have a plan B.

  27. “ Of course I am. Your perspective is naïve.”

    _____

    Please stop embarrassing yourself.

    The time for America to ‘procure’ (ie. order via authorisation of congress) enough Virginia class subs for the American president to certify that the transfer of the first sub in 2032 will not degrade the USN’s underwater warfare capabilities passed at the end of 2023.

    The hard deadline to actually start construction of that sub passed last year.

    The respective deadlines for the next – 2035 – transfer to occur in accordance with the enabling legislation will pass next year and 2027 respectively.

    To date there is exactly ZERO evidence that the boatbuilding capacity of America’s two submarine construction yards is spooling up in time to meet those deadlines.

    In the meantime production is notionally stuck at 1.2 boats per year. Less than half what would be required to make Pillar 1 viable. In fact it is close to one third the output when one factors in the urgency of the Columbia Class SSBN program that these yards have to get up and running over the same time frame.

    If you are going to point the naïvity finger at other posters over OHFUCKUS, just remember that your hand has the other three fingers pointing right back at ya’.

  28. I thought you had given up, T D’merde.

    The good news is that Usman Khawaja is a lock for the home Ashes series.

  29. I am not sure what Andrews envisaged the endgame was going to be with Yoorook when he set it up. Maybe he always knew he would be gone by the time it reported and someone else could deal with it.

    The opportunity for truth telling was good.

    I think the outcome and the recommendations could have been predicted back in 2021 with pinpoint accuracy, though. As could the political reality that reparation payments and a First Nations assembly with actual power are political non starters. There are other recommendations that can be addressed, and perhaps a treaty process could be begun although frought with perilous peril as to whether any treaty could be agreed.

  30. Now now Arky, it is entirely possible that they hit a very weird sample, and rather than smoothing with their previous results, as seems to be the usual practice, they simply held their noses and said “to hell with that, the statisticians code means we are bound to publish this as we got it”. We should give them the benefit of the doubt.

    😆

  31. Arangesays:
    Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 11:09 pm
    Upnorthsays:
    Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 10:37 pm
    “Anyone remember what the last RedBridge poll was before the election????”

    53-47 to Labor.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2025_Australian_federal_election

    Dr Doolittlesays:
    Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 11:11 pm
    Upnorth at 10.37 pm

    Redbridge/Accent in late April had Lab + Lib both on 34%, Greens on 12% and Hanson exaggerated at 8%.

    TPP vote was 53/47 to Labor. So not as far out as some other pollsters.

    There were Redbridge marginal seat polls that showed a large shift toward Labor during the campaign.

    Pollsters should focus on Tasmania where there is an imminent election and a shortage of reliable polling.

    Leroysays:
    Wednesday, July 2, 2025 at 11:19 pm
    Upnorth – Kevin Bonham summarised the last Redbridge poll on 30 April…

    “Redbridge final national poll
    ALP 34 L-NP 34 Green 12 ON 8 others 12
    2PP 53-47 to ALP
    (My last-election estimate for these primaries as published is similar, 53.2)”

    They also had an ongoing 20 seat tracking poll poll that was closer to the mark, the last one implying 54.5% to ALP. https://bsky.app/profile/6newsau.bsky.social/post/3ln54elioge2z

    If you want to the read the new AFR article, try this.
    https://archive.is/xAg6I
    中华人民共和国
    Thanks troops from last thread. Massive storm in Bangkok last night. Electricity and Internet down for a few hours. Damned muggy with no aircon.

  32. We know that Republicans lied to their people that there are no Medicaid cuts when USHOR initially passed Big Ugly Bill, although that bill cut above $770 billions.
    Now Senate sent back that bill with about $1 trillion Medicaid cuts.
    But Trump Press Secretary said on June 30 that there are no Medicaid cuts. Not only her but many US Congress Republicans said in the last week that there are no Medicaid cuts.
    They think they can get away with that lie like Trump did.

    https://www.facebook.com/AmericanProgressAction/videos/must-watch-house-republicans-lied-about-cutting-our-medicaid-and-they-cant-get-a/701071822815374/

    I told meherbaba and I say it again
    There are no good Republicans anymore. There are only bad, ugly and evil Republicans (some are even saying fascist but that is another story)

  33. From HH’s links.

    “US Contractors Say Their Colleagues Are Firing Live Ammo as Palestinians Seek Food in Gaza:”

    Americans tell us that American civilian contractors are shooting at Palestinians ans reporting people to the Israelis who “look suspicious”.

    Why are we allied to that shit hole country?

  34. An interesting insight I just heard: the political right tends to favour nuclear and geothermal power, while opposing wind, solar, and battery technologies. Yet, it’s ironic, nuclear and geothermal pose a greater threat to carbon-based power than renewables do. That’s because they are firming technologies, meaning they provide constant, reliable energy, much like gas. Gas makes some sense as a firming solution to complement intermittent renewables, but it would be squeezed out by the wider adoption of nuclear or geothermal.

  35. Nuclear is a not a firming solution. Historically, we had to build hydro to firm inflexible nuclear power stations.


  36. Granny Annysays:
    Thursday, July 3, 2025 at 10:19 am
    From HH’s links.

    “US Contractors Say Their Colleagues Are Firing Live Ammo as Palestinians Seek Food in Gaza:”

    Americans tell us that American civilian contractors are shooting at Palestinians ans reporting people to the Israelis who “look suspicious”.

    Why are we allied to that shit hole country?

    Do you mean USA and/ or Israel?

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