YouGov: 51-49 to Coalition (open thread)

The first poll to include Clive Palmer’s new vehicle as a response option records a six-point drop in the major party vote — though not on Palmer’s account.

YouGov’s second regular poll for the year (not counting last fortnight’s MRP poll) records substantial movement to minor parties and independents since the last such poll in mid-January, with Labor down four points to 28% and the Coalition is down two to 37%. Having almost nothing to do with this is the debut from Clive Palmer’s Trumpet of the Patriots, which we are told accounted for only 1% out of a total “others” share of 13%, up three points. The Greens are up two to 14% and One Nation is up one to 8%. The two-party preferred result, which now uses preference flows less favourable to Labor than those at the 2022 election, is unchanged at 51-49 in favour of the Coalition.

Despite the fall in their parties’ collective vote share, both leaders record improvements in their net approval ratings, with Anthony Albanese steady on 40% approval and down three on disapproval to 52%, and Peter Dutton up one to 44% and down three to 46%. Albanese’s lead as preferred prime minister is in from 44-40 to 42-40. The poll was conducted last Friday to Thursday from a sample of 1501. It is apparently the case that “YouGov will continue to publish weekly tracking polls leading up to the next election”.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. Look GE, even if we took what you said at face value (and I do not), Putin could end this conflict tomorrow by withdrawing. In fact, Ukraine would not be marching it’s young men to their pointless deaths, as you say, if he hadn’t invaded in the first place.

    And spare me the corruption nonsense. The president of the United States is Donald Trump FFS.

  2. 2019

    “Donald Trump has looked askance on Ukraine’s president ever since Trump was impeached for pressing him to find dirt on Joe Biden in 2019. Has the relationship now fully ruptured?”
    CNN

    “President Trump asked Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky to “look into” former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter, during a phone call in July.
    The call lasted about 30 minutes, according to a White House memorandum released Wednesday.
    “The conversation is reportedly a central part of the whistleblower complaint that spurred House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to support an impeachment inquiry against Trump.”
    CNBC

    Retribution!

  3. Entropy says:
    Sunday, March 2, 2025 at 11:22 pm
    Griffsays:
    Sunday, March 2, 2025 at 11:12 pm
    For what it is worth, Nadia88 is entitled to her opinion. We all are. It is important to recognise that opinions like Nadia’s are out there, and they are held by those that are politically engaged domestically, while having less interest in international affairs.

    And as a complete non sequitur, I just let the dog out for her nightly ablutions and she manages to step in cat scat. Why can’t cats be restricted from roaming off lead like dogs?
    ===================================================

    Even though most dog owners are responsible and do clean up, a few don’t. So i must say i’ve stepped in far more dogs doos than cats. As cats generally bury there’s.

    ________

    Leaving aside what cats do to wildlife, the thing is, it is my backyard.

  4. Golf Foxtrot Yankeesays:
    Sunday, March 2, 2025 at 11:23 pm
    Look GE, even if we took what you said at face value (and I do not), Putin could end this conflict tomorrow by withdrawing. In fact, Ukraine would not be marching it’s young men to their pointless deaths, as you say, if he hadn’t invaded in the first place.

    And spare me the corruption nonsense. The president of the United States is Donald Trump FFS.
    =================================================

    While Russia has President Putin and the oligarchy, at least the ones that didn’t accidentally step out of a fifth-floor window. Has there ever been a more corrupt world government in recent times?

  5. Everything in the Pandora papers related to the time before he became President, when he had no access to the resources of the state. A reasonable person would conclude that he had some creative business arrangements to manage the modest wealth he acquired through television production, which caused him a correspondingly modest amount of political embarrassment to the extent that he had sold himself as a cleanskin.

  6. davidwhsays:
    Sunday, March 2, 2025 at 11:25 pm
    Geoffrey surely you can find a forum more to you liking to post this conspiracy rubbish?
    =================================================

    He possibly wouldn’t need to even post it. He could be a guest speaker at CPAC.

    How do you tell a White House troll bot from a Kremlin troll bot? Only one wears a red cap. So put on a red cap, and they won’t know the difference at CPAC.

  7. Partisan Hacksays:
    Sunday, March 2, 2025 at 10:11 pm
    “It’s quite clear that Russia cannot defeat Ukraine. Once the Europeans decide to fully arm and otherwise assist Ukraine, they will certainly prevail against Putin. Russian aggression represents an existential threat to peace in Europe. The Europeans have a great deal at stake here while the US has nothing but its prestige and honour at stake. These mean nothing to Trump, who is Putin’s puppet. Trump, the coward, the bully, the charlatan, has brought disgrace upon the office to which he has been elected. The Europeans can complete his shame by helping Ukraine defeat Russia.”
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    I agree. I have been thinking lately that Putin has been very keen to force a peace treaty on Ukraine via Trump for somebody who is sure they will win. Why doesn’t he just push on to certain victory? Because he can’t.

    Ukraine has received weapons as aid but has suffered from stupid restrictions on their use and vacillating EU governments especially Germany. Economically the combined force of the EU is far stronger than Russia. If they unite and get serious they will easily out produce Russia.

  8. Socratessays:
    Sunday, March 2, 2025 at 11:45 pm
    Partisan Hacksays:
    Sunday, March 2, 2025 at 10:11 pm
    “It’s quite clear that Russia cannot defeat Ukraine. Once the Europeans decide to fully arm and otherwise assist Ukraine, they will certainly prevail against Putin. Russian aggression represents an existential threat to peace in Europe. The Europeans have a great deal at stake here while the US has nothing but its prestige and honour at stake. These mean nothing to Trump, who is Putin’s puppet. Trump, the coward, the bully, the charlatan, has brought disgrace upon the office to which he has been elected. The Europeans can complete his shame by helping Ukraine defeat Russia.”
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    I agree. I have been thinking lately that Putin has been very keen to force a peace treaty on Ukraine via Trump for somebody who is sure they will win. Why doesn’t he just push on to certain victory? Because he can’t.

    Ukraine has received weapons as aid but has suffered from stupid restrictions on their use and vacillating EU governments especially Germany. Economically the combined force of the EU is far stronger than Russia. If they unite and get serious they will easily out produce Russia.
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    They don’t even need to produce super expensive weapons either. If Ukraine had about ten times more drones than they produce now. They could inflict some serious damage on the Russians. So if a couple of big European factories were dedicated to Ukraine drone production. It would be a enormous help and possibly cost only a few billion to set up.

    Technically speaking too, a drone operator could operate a drone while sitting in a living room in Poland.

  9. Partisan Hack at 10.11 pm, nadia88 at 10.17 pm and Entropy at 10.35 pm

    PH: Read these sentences from a serious Washington Post report in July 2023 on Gen Milley:

    ‘Milley spoke at the Economic Club of New York in November 2022 just as Ukrainian troops were completing the expulsion of Russian forces from the southern city of Kherson. Kyiv had stunned the world by repelling Moscow’s initial invasion — forcing Russia back to roughly the lines of control in place today — and the top U.S. general made news by floating a negotiated settlement to the war.

    He compared the situation in Ukraine to World War I. Around Christmas of 1914, Milley said, “you’ve got a war that is not winnable anymore, militarily.” Yet European leaders decided they had no choice but to push for total victory. One million deaths became 20 million by the war’s end.’

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/07/26/ukraine-counteroffensive-negotiations-milley-biden/

    Europe has provided 40% of military aid to Ukraine so far. They, particularly Germany, will step up with more but this will create economic problems in Germany, which is not at all “in upheaval” (N88) but rather about to see another Grand Coalition in more difficult times, led by an abrasive figure (Merz) who doesn’t value women at the top and isn’t very popular.

    Note that Milley’s conclusion that Ukraine can’t win militarily is over 2 years old, and in the meantime Russia has repulsed Ukrainian counter-offensives and made fairly minor advances.

    What does “defeat Russia” mean in the current context of Putin’s war? It means only one thing, a fanciful belief that Gen Milley (the most senior Pentagon officer) was misguided.

    Nadia, you need to understand Zelenskyy’s context before speculating about his options. He lost his best option (Ukrainian neutrality in exchange for a major Russian withdrawal to territory controlled on 23 Feb 2022) in April 2022 when he believed B. Johnson, who then was in a much worse political situation than Starmer is, apart from his total lack of any integrity. Johnson told Zelenskyy “you just fight”, based on the deluded belief that Ukraine would win the war by Xmas 2022.

    It is probable that Zaluzhnyi, Ukrainian Chief of General Staff in April 2022, agreed with Zelenskyy in gambling on perpetual Western support, rather than on a separate peace deal with Putin mediated by Erdogan. While Zaluzhnyi is touted as Zelenskyy’s main challenger if an election is held, there are likely to be other contenders in Ukraine. Anyway, the idea that the US should determine who rules Ukraine is a big part of the problem, not the solution.

    Specifically, it was the US-supported government installed after Yanukovych fled that lost Crimea in late Feb 2014 and decided then not to fight for it. Details are in this article:

    https://sci-hub.se/10.1080/10758216.2021.1901595 (Adam Lenton, ‘why Didn’t Ukraine Fight for Crimea? Evidence from Declassified National Security and Defense Council Proceedings’, Problems of Post-Communism, 69(2)). Some excerpts from the US-appointed PM Yatsenyuk:

    ‘Yatsenyuk put the matter more bluntly, arguing that no states were prepared to help Ukraine, and that in the event of “a military conflict with Russia in the center of Europe [. . .] we’ll
    have to manage on our own”.’ (p 3)

    ‘… most of the permanent members [of the Ukrainian National Security Council] had made it clear that they were unwilling to risk escalation with Russia; Yatsenyuk most explicitly stressed that “implementing martial law is a formal declaration of war against Russia” (RNBO, 27 [minutes]). In the end, a seven point plan was voted for that focused on preparing for combat readiness, defense plans, and engagement with Ukraine’s foreign partners’. (p 4)

    It was the hawkish US diplomat Victoria Nuland who in effect chose Yatsenyuk as the new Ukrainian PM, while telling the US Ambassador in Kyiv that the EU can “fuck off” and be quiet.

    For a picture of that bumbling diplomat and her undiplomatic, totally arrogant view, see:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

    “Europe is now running around trying to set up committees.”

    No. It’s worse. They are running around trying to tell Zelenskyy to apologise publicly to Trump for having the audacity to tell him the truth. Europe still cannot stand up for itself proudly.

    Partly for personal reasons, the Trump-Zelenskyy relationship is ruined beyond repair.

    The conclusion is not that Trump gets to pick a new Ukrainian leader. That is not possible. Fairly soon no credible Ukrainian politician would want to be seen as associating with Trump.

    The conclusion is that Trump is now very unlikely to end Putin’s war within the 6 months deadline that he announced after taking office, because he can’t be a mediator.

    The Europeans cannot facilitate an end to Putin’s war, though they may enable Ukraine to survive for the rest of this year without losing much more territory. Germany will be stretched, not so much militarily but because reluctance to continue the war will grow.

    If you want to understand the background, including about Germany, read the plenary speech by a German economist, Wolfgang Streeck, given at a conference in Poland last June:

    https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s12115-024-01005-4.pdf

    In the end Erdogan may reappear as the most likely mediator of an end to Putin’s war. The first time he tried (in March-April 2022) it ended in tragedy, because Zelenskyy rejected the potential deal. Erdogan has many faults, but if given another go he may not facilitate a farce.

  10. Entropy

    Yes but it isn’t just drones. The combined EU air forces, excluding the USAF, could easily destroy the Russian air force, which is both smaller and less advanced.

    Same with air defense missiles, artillery and AFVs. So far Ukraine has gotten small amounts of old kit. If they got new weaponry Russian advantages would dissappear fast.

    I disagree with Dr Doolittle’s comments about economic limitations. All EU nations’ defence spending is still well below cold war levels. Whereas Russia is at the limit its economy can sustain. With more realistic financial arrangements in the EU this imbalance could be transformed. E.g.
    https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/norway-rethinks-e1-7-trillion-sovereign-fund-to-boost-support-for-ukraine/

  11. I sort of in a way, kinda, understand Trump’s backing of Putin, he mentioned Putin backing him throughout the Russian collusion lies at the White House press conference so he is obviously still very raw about that and there is also the Hunter Biden stuff which I do not fully understand…so living in Trump world I see it, as f&%$ed up as the reasoning is, but why is the Republican party so pro-Putin. He truly is the bad guy even if you sift through it all and see the West allowing Ukraine to get too close to NATO membership and give that some credence. Russia/Putin invaded another country and their history/relationship with the West since WW2 has been at its best bad and its worst on the brink of nuclear war.

    What is it that a large contingent of Republicans don’t get or what at least is their reasoning behind support of the pro-Putin/Russian expansion? There has got to be a big chunk of McCain-type Republicans that are incensed by this.

  12. You can’t talk about this war intelligently if you don’t know the timeline of what happened prior to 2022.

    As this is not a receptive forum for unfamiliar historical facts, I will not waste my time, but Jeffrey Sachs does it here thoroughly and succinctly, for anyone here willing to invest a modest amount of time to educate themselves:

    https://scheerpost.com/2024/11/23/jeffrey-sachs-explains-the-russia-ukraine-war/amp/

    The war could have been ended at any point, even before it started, by NATO permanently rejecting Ukrainian membership. NATO is the only reason the war began, and keeping Ukraine out of NATO the only way that the war can end. That’s why Ukraine’s participation in peace talks is redundant. It’s between NATO (which means the US) and Russia.

    Now finally that is what is happening, so finally the war is ending.

    The possibility of peace breaking out is the most horrifying spectre to the liberal warmongers of NATO, who need to live vicariously through the van men roaming the streets of Ukraine snatching up any remaining adult males they can find, with only nuclear terrorism left to rely on when none remain.

  13. Socratessays:
    Sunday, March 2, 2025 at 11:57 pm
    Entropy

    Yes but it isn’t just drones. The combined EU air forces, excluding the USAF, could easily destroy the Russian air force, which is both smaller and less advanced.

    Same with air defense missiles, artillery and AFVs. So far Ukraine has gotten small amounts of old kit. If they got new weaponry Russian advantages would dissappear fast.

    I disagree with Dr Doolittle’s comments about economic limitations. All EU nations’ defence spending is still well below cold war levels. Whereas Russia is at the limit its economy can sustain. With more realistic financial arrangements in the EU this imbalance could be transformed. E.g.
    https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/norway-rethinks-e1-7-trillion-sovereign-fund-to-boost-support-for-ukraine/
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    I agree, i always thought that NATO (European ones at least). Should of told Russia they will shoot down any missiles coming within 100 km of their borders. Once a couple of stray ones over shot. That way the skies of Western Ukraine would be protected and allow Ukraine to concentrate anti-missile defences further east.

    I suggested drones as they are thing most easily made in bulk quickly and European guidance systems are far superior to what Russian can get on the black market. Also you don’t know whose operating them. So it would be easiest way for European military to help without risk. Russia did use Iranian drone operators for sometime too.

  14. Lorenzo Lamperti of La Stampa (courtesy of World Crunch and translator Roy Greenburgh) discusses the reverberations of the tacky shoe salesman’s Ukraine “diplomacy” with China and America’s Asian allies.

    What is happening in Ukraine is in fact an ideal warning flag that Xi Jinping can wave toward his Asian neighbors of how unreliable the United States has become. The message, implicit or explicit, is rather clear: “They will arm you but then abandon you, as they did with Afghanistan first and now with Ukraine.”

    Among the first targets of such a message is no doubt Taiwan, which observes with dismay the treatment reserved for Zelensky, and what it means for its own sovereignty as Beijing turns up the rhetoric on “reunification.”

    But it’s also bad news for South Korea, Japan and the Philippines, which in recent years had become enormously close to Washington and are now skeptical about American commitment and stability. So much so that many predict a strengthening of the voices of those, between Seoul and Tokyo, who are calling for the development of their own nuclear arsenal, or the creation of a sort of Asian NATO to reduce dependence on U.S. assistance.

    China can only smile. The theory of a new U.S. thaw with Moscow to isolate Beijing seems more like a fantasy than anything else. In the early 1970s, Henry Kissinger and Richard Nixon exploited the divisions already in place between Beijing and Moscow, and were even involved in clashes along the Soviet-Chinese border.

  15. “The possibility of peace breaking out is the most horrifying spectre to the liberal warmongers of NATO, who need to live vicariously through the van men roaming the streets of Ukraine snatching up any remaining adult males they can find, with only nuclear terrorism left to rely on when none remain.”

    More Kremlin bot disinformation. The vans were in the Donbas and it was FSB snatching people and sending them to front line with Chechen blocking troops behind them. As Russia has no respect for life, ethics or morality. It is the most corrupt oligarchy on earth.

    There is no nuclear threat from Ukraine. As the lying Russians signed the Budapest Memorandum only to break it. As they have zero integrity.

  16. “Accuse your enemy of what you do yourself”. A tactic live and well in the SVR.

    “Pro-Russia separatist forces have stepped up the forced conscription of men – including Ukrainian passport holders – in occupied areas of the Donbas region, amid mounting evidence of the scale of losses on the Russian side.

    According to credible evidence from the region, forced conscription – already a feature of the Russian-backed separatists’ rule before the Kremlin’s invasion on 24 February – appeared to have picked up again in June, with checkpoints and patrols, some reportedly involving Chechen fighters allied to the Kremlin, on the lookout for men to recruit.

    In one video filmed in late June, a woman in Makeevka, in the Donbas region, documented her efforts to prevent officials from the war commissariat from dragging her husband into a car to take him to the conscription office.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/20/pro-russian-separatists-step-up-forced-conscription-as-losses-mount

    https://kyivindependent.com/deepening-problems-grip-occupied-ukraine-spur-resistance-against-russia/

    Good night and “Slava Ukraini”

  17. Ok GE. So your view is that Putin had the right to invade Ukraine because NATO didn’t give a permanent rejection to the idea that Ukraine would not become a member of the alliance? Do you not think NATO had a reasonable position by not making a permanent decision on this, given Russia invaded and took Crimea in 2014? Not to mention Putin’s behaviour toward other former Republics of the USSR?
    Your expression of real politik regarding Ukraine’s non inclusion to peace talks is cynical at best, a gross expression of imperialism at worst. How, and why should Ukraine sign any kind of deal with the US without guarantees to security?

    I feel like I have wasted enough time on this. You seem to be quite happy for a sovereign nation to be invaded and have its destiny determined by others, and you do not seem to be open to an alternative view.

  18. nadia88:
    “Given Trump/Zelensky/Ukraine has swamped this site the past few days, I’ll give my read on things, although I generally don’t comment on foreign stuff. I def prefer my Oz Polling!
    Anyway, here goes (my opinion)…

    I think Trump has lined himself up for a win-win either way.
    He & Vance obviously had some sort of proposal they put to Zelensky, whereby the U.S. would set up mines to mine minerals in Ukraine, and Zelensky would be “propped” up as some sort of puppet leader. Trump believes the presence of U.S. mining operations in the Ukraine may/will be a deterrent to Putin.
    Zelensky, OTOH, wants his former borders restored. ie: the 1991 borders.
    Trump’s not going to entertain this as Crimea would be a tough peninsula to retake. Would require troops on the ground, and more. I think even Merkel may have muttered that Crimea is gone for good.

    So it sounds like Pres Zelensky has two options…
    1. Let Trump come in and mine wherever he wants (trade-off being he remains Ukrainian president but forgoes a significant part of his territory), or
    2. Trump pulls the plug on funding – let’s Putin march into the rest of Ukraine – and then cuts a deal with Putin (ie: a return favour) about mining on former Ukrainian territory when the dust has settled.
    Looks like Trump has lined up a win win. The public spat in the WH was probably to send a message to Europe that “we don’t like Zelensky any more”. Lindsay Graham pretty much said the rest out loud with “we can’t deal with Zelensky”.

    Europe is now running around trying to set up committees.
    Put yourself in Zelensky’s shoes.
    • Starmer’s popularity is falling off a cliff.
    • Macron is now onto his 3rd PM since he called snap elections mid last year,
    • Germany is in upheaval,
    • Hungary is hostile, &
    • Italy & Spain are not major players

    … and just in case Europe wavers and continues to support Zelensky, we now have Elon Musk coming out and threatening that the U.S. should withdraw from N.A.T.O. This is a classic “floating the balloon” tactic. I’m sure it’s coming straight from the White House.
    I’d say Pres Zelenskyy’s days are numbered.
    His PM is Denys Shmyhal, but I reckon General Valerii Zaluzhnyi might get the gig. Currently the Ambassador in the U.K.

    Anyway, my one and only thoughts on international affairs as an amateur, so back onto the Oz polls.”
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    nadia88, I’d rank your amateur take ahead of most of what passes for geopolitical analysis in the comments section of this site. Though I don’t entirely agree with it, your view comes across as reasonable and well thought out. The arrogance of some of the responses to it is astounding.

    I believe that John Mearsheimer is right when he says that the collective West has lead Ukraine up the primrose path. Since the mid 2000’s, we’ve done everything we can to encourage the Ukrainians to use themselves as a battering ram to weaken Russia. The resulting regime change and civil war created a situation on their doorstep that the Russians couldn’t ignore. Neither would we, nor the United States were the situation reversed.

    Ukraine never had a chance to defeat Russia on the battlefield without direct war between NATO and Russia, which would lead to nuclear escalation very quickly. The arms which have been sent have only succeeded to getting hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians killed, while also draining Western stocks and putting the weakness of its military industrial capacity on full display. I remember people in 2022 saying that Russia would never stand a chance because Western GDP is so much bigger. GDP means nothing when it’s locked up in the financial sector and can’t be turned into guns and bullets because of decades of neoliberal economics and de-industrialisation. The measures taken against Russia only succeeded in delaying the inevitable. In early 2022, Russia and Ukraine almost had a deal worked out which would have put a stop to the conflict. Pressure from the West (especially the US and UK) as well as from Ukraine’s ultra nationalists encouraged (or forced) Zelenskyy to pull out from the negotiations. I’m quite sure this is going to go down as one of the greatest geopolitical blunders of the 21st century.

    Trump appears to me to recognise the hopelessness of the situation, and wants to put an end to the sunk cost fallacy. The mineral “deal” is an attempt to recoup some of US’ investment. Beyond callousness, it’s a stupid move. It’s a terrible look and will likely not result in any “return on investment”. He needs to recnognise that the US was one of the main instigators of this mess and take the L as gracefully as possible.

  19. Dr Doolittle says:
    Sunday, March 2, 2025 at 11:55 pm

    Things have changed. Trump has scrapped NATO in all but name. The US is now pro-Russian and is overtly hostile to the EU. Whether they like it or not, the Europeans will have to respond for the sake of their own safety and sovereignty.

    Trump has annulled the postwar order. We will all have to adapt.

    The US should be regarded as a hostile power led by incompetent criminals.

  20. A new week and we can all put the unfortunate eastern Europe conflict away for a while as the conflict seems no closer to a conclusion.
    The election of the Trump presidency has if anything further complicated this diabolically unstable situation
    On the domestic scene, have Labor readied themselves to highlight some more LNP indiscretions heading toward an unannounced election campaign and date.
    The advertising time slots have been sold out and already activated by some interests with a noticeable tendency for some independents attempting to “butter both side of their daily bread” and some seemingly wanting to consume the whole loaf.
    Most political issues are increasingly played out by a now convoluted media environment attempting to be significant with a bevy of “fortune tellers” working in the media looking “starry eyed” at their own prospects of success.
    The voting public remain detached and vulnerable to the influences of the varied interests and their ability to market these interests.
    Australians generally remain relatively “well-off”, with a notable mention to some sections within the community.
    The “renters” with low incomes and lowly paid employment, little superannuation and divided family life remain the most obvious “strugglers”.
    Australia has been well governed by Labor for three years and history is less flattering to the previous nine years of LNP governments with the tendency to divide.
    It’s very difficult to govern in a community that is divided by house prices, rent increases, income disparity, changing technology, racism and a sense of entitlement.
    The world we currently occupy will be considerably changed in as little as five years.
    The pace of change rising exponentially with the technology revolution, is as awesome and indescribable as the matters being discovered in a universe being discovered by the Webb telescope and Hubble.
    I have but one vote! (in a safe seat)

  21. Hmmm
    https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1895752927991792126

    Some people are being shanghai’d. That link has 50 vids. See if you can work out which side they are on.

    Been plenty more over the last 2 years. Early on the wives and mothers managed to beat up the recruiters and free quite a few. Not so many now, as they travel in bigger numbers.

    Pretty clear to me that Ukrainian women are tough. But believe what you want to believe

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