Federal polls: Essential Research and Roy Morgan (open thread)

One bad and one good result for federal Labor, plus findings on the monarch and the monarchy.

After ticking in Labor’s favour a fortnight ago, the latest Essential Research poll ticks back with a four point drop to 28% (down a point on two polls ago), while the Coalition recovers the point it lost last time to hit 35%. The Greens are steady on 12%, One Nation is down one to 7%, and undecided component is up one to 6%. The pollster’s 2PP+ measure, which has shown a tight tussle for around a year now, has the Coalition up one to 48% and Labor down three to 46%. The poll also includes the monthly leadership ratings, which give Peter Dutton his best results to date, his approval up three to 45% and disapproval down three to 39%. Anthony Albanese is up two to 44% and up one on disapproval to 48%.

Further questions are inspired by the visit to Australia of King Charles III, including a finding of 50% approval and 26% disapproval of whatever it is that he does. A question on a republic finds a big drop in unsure since January, with support up three to 45% and opposition up four to 39%. A question on the rarely canvassed issue of federalism (at least, that’s how I would interpret it – the question didn’t actually mention the states) finds 61% considering the federal government has about the right amount of power, with 13% saying it should have more and 26% less. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Sunday from a sample of 1140.

The weekly Roy Morgan poll is quite a bit better for Labor, finding their primary vote up two to 32%, the Coalition down one to 36.5%, the Greens down half to 13.5% and One Nation down half to 5.5%. The respondent-allocated two-party measure has Labor leading 52-48, after a tied result last time, while the previous election preferences measure has it at 53-47, out from 51-49. The poll was conducted Monday to Sunday from a sample of 1687.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. The IMF says Aussie inflation will be 3.6% by the end of 2025 and growth will be 1.2% off the back of massive immigration.

    I wonder what those numbers mean politically?

  2. ‘Oakeshott Country says:
    Tuesday, October 22, 2024 at 9:31 pm

    BW
    That video you mention @ 9:12 comes from China Observer which has hundreds if not thousands of anti CCP videos.

    A 20 second internet search shows that China Observer is part of Vision Times a front for the Falun Gong’
    =====================

    Thanks, OC, useful to know. Those Falun Gong refugees never forget and never forgive.

    IMO, the main messages in the video are consistent with just about everything else that is publicly available:

    1. China has subsidized EVs, solar and batteries to the tune of $230 billion.
    2. There is massive over capacity in China.
    3. China is trying to export this massive over capacity at dumping rates.
    4. This has triggered a trade war with 100%+ tariffs in the EU and the US.
    5. Some degree of factory closures and the job losses is consistent with the general slowdown in China’s economy.
    6. The over capacity is part of the structural economic issue of potential or actual deflation.

    Incidentally,
    1. The various factory shots show a very, very high degree of automation. Just so impressive, IMO.
    2. Australia should be a net beneficiary as we should benefit from cheaper EVs, solar panels and batteries. EV prices are plummeting. A couple of years ago the cheapest EV in Australia was around $45,000. It is now $31,000. I imagine solar panel and battery prices have shown a somewhat similar trajectory.

  3. Morning all. BW the EV and battery question is curious. No doubt China is subsidising both. Yet the prices should have been lower by now anyway.

    EVs are not that expensive to build. There is an R&D cost to recover in the first models made. But once that is paid the price should drop.

    The biggest reason for the high price is the battery cost. Yet the price of lithium and other rare earth minerals has fallen dramatically.

    I find myself wondering why non-Chinese EV prices have not also fallen. Some western car makers have quietly backed off EV investment IMO.

  4. There are some European models that are cheap, but not domestically – huge mark ups on their northern hemisphere prices. Renault 5, Fiat 500e, VW ID4.
    They’re not cheap cars here, costing a good amount more than their Chinese counterparts (BYD, GWM ora, gm 4), but much worse in terms of build quality and standard inclusions. Legacy car makers aren’t taking the Chinese manufacturers (nor the aust market) seriously.

  5. Once again Fed labor has brought in too many people cannot get rid of them quickly due to appeals etc .

    This situation is going beyond the next election as housing starts are going backwards as well under failed fed labor government.Own goals all over the shop interest rates most likely up next year not down in Australia.

    Jobs being created going to imported labor as unemployment has been ticking up for a year.Per capita recession for almost two years.

  6. Australia has passed peak woke. So has the rest of the Western World.

    The polls reflect this.

    Much as the Left hate to admit, the world is not one of nancy-boys and Valkyrie-like throw-men-around women.

  7. Soc and Banquo

    Thanks.

    The collapse in lithium feedstock and in battery prices in China is mainly a 2024 phenomenon so may not have fed its way into vehicle prices yet.

    Soc. I think it was panic stations when they realized that China had stolen a march and that practically the entire western manufacturing industry was worthless, that production chains could not be economically modified to switch to EVs, that they did not have the IP (Tesla excepted) and that many of the companies had monster debts and also lacked the capital heft for the retooling. The tariffs are, presumably, to buy time.

    I notice that Toyota has just announced hydrogen tank swap technology so they haven’t given up on that.

    https://www.drive.com.au/news/toyota-reveals-game-changing-hydrogen-tank-swap-techology/

    I notice that Tesla has been forced into some hefty price cuts.

    One issue with buying a Chinese EV is that there is going to be some significant rationalization and the risk is being left holding a stranded asset.

    I don’t know how the Australian vehicle emissions standards will ‘manage’ our market but assume they will have a cumulative impact in speeding up the transition from ICE to EV.

  8. The haters will love the 28%, go ballistic and have a field day.
    The sunset media mobs and the (not our) ABC are achieving fantastic results with their servings of “takeaway” media burgers, freshly “cooked”, “grab ya fries ” and following up with “soothing, over sweetened sundaes” ensuring the “pour” know what side their burger rolls are “buttered on”.

    Some “know it all” will remind us all today that the Australian voters aren’t stupid.
    Australia “deserves” Dutton as a treat!

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  10. I don’t find the 4% drop in Labor support reported by Essential to be credible. What would have caused it? Not that business with Albo’s new home, nor any other recent developments.

    The sample size was 1,140, which would bring a margin of error of about 3%. Labor’s 32% a fortnight ago might have been too high, this week’s 28% might be too low. Or maybe it’s been about 30% all along.

  11. ”I don’t know how the Australian vehicle emissions standards will ‘manage’ our market but assume they will have a cumulative impact in speeding up the transition from ICE to EV.”

    There seems to be a lot of uncertainty with EV’s in Australia at the moment. I think I’ll keep my 11 year old Holden going for another few years before deciding whether to make the switch.

  12. There are some private English attempts at compensation for slavery particularly Heirs of Slavery
    https://www.heirsofslavery.org/our-purpose
    One of their leaders is Laura Trevelyan who has donated £100k to Grenada, which her family used to own.

    Trevelyan is the 3x great granddaughter of Sir Charles Trevelyan who is blamed by most Irish for the effects of the great famine.
    She was a BBC journalist who was sent to Northern Ireland during the negotiations for Good Friday and, knowing nothing of her forebear, was shocked at the reaction of republicans when she introduced herself. Martin McGuinness was particularly enraged by her appointment, which he saw as a deliberate British government insult rather than a lack of cultural awareness by the BBC. Lately Trevelyan has offered to give compensation to the Irish government but she has been ignored.

  13. Blog Intro.
    Further questions are inspired by the visit to Australia of King Charles III, including a finding of 50% approval and 26% disapproval of whatever it is that he does.
    _____________________
    He provides stability William.

  14. I bought a new Chinese EV this year because its what I can afford, while still being an EV.
    The stranded asset issue isn’t a concern for me, because I’m not interested in upgrading. I was more concerned about holding on to an ICE for 10 years with fuel prices going crazy.
    It probably would’ve made more sense to buy a second hand model given how cheap some of those can be had for, but it’s my first new car and I like it 🙂

  15. Thanks, BK.

    ‘Opposition energy spokesman Ted O’Brien says the sheer upfront cost of nuclear energy requires taxpayers to build and own the seven nuclear power plants the Coalition is pledging, as he committed to release an economic case for the policy by the end of the year. Phil Coorey writes that Ted O’Brien said the business case would go beyond initial costings and the year-end promise would allow adequate time for scrutiny before the election, due by mid-May.
    https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/coalition-pledges-nuclear-details-before-christmas-20241022-
    ================
    Bloody socialists.

  16. ‘Banquo911 says:
    Wednesday, October 23, 2024 at 8:00 am

    I bought a new Chinese EV this year because its what I can afford, while still being an EV.
    The stranded asset issue isn’t a concern for me, because I’m not interested in upgrading. I was more concerned about holding on to an ICE for 10 years with fuel prices going crazy.
    It probably would’ve made more sense to buy a second hand model given how cheap some of those can be had for, but it’s my first new car and I like it ‘
    =====================
    Nice. We are in the teetering phase, made easy because we have basically transitioned to mass transit.

  17. ‘goll says:
    Wednesday, October 23, 2024 at 7:46 am

    Boerwar
    Remember the “wise sages” saying “Datsuns will never catch on” and “you’d never get me in a Toyota Bluebird” !’
    ==============
    Haha. We loved our Datto!

  18. I’d say staying shtum is pretty on brand for Dutton. Doesn’t seem like Price’s comments to SMH on abortion have captured wider media attention yet, didn’t make it in to Crikey’s Worm, or Guardian’s Morning Mail. Google News search for Jacinta Price just turns up the original SMH article.

  19. pied pipersays:
    Wednesday, October 23, 2024 at 7:34 am
    “Once again Fed labor has brought in too many people cannot get rid of them quickly due to appeals etc .”

    I believe the people on country around what is now called Sydney Harbour in 1788 had the same dilemma

  20. The now disgraced fed labor gov are bringing in so many people it takes ten minutes to read the above article on immigration etc to try and understand how they are failing in reducing numbers.In Fact the labor government is backtracking on sending students home the article says and has and still is blowing out the figures.

    There’s your inflation folks and lies instead of action from labor means interest rates and rents are going nowhere but up under the federal labor government.2.3 million on some sort of visa in Australia at the moment.

    No wonder a massive amount of Aussies think Australia is going in the wrong direction.

  21. From Kevin Bonham:
    “Federal 2PP Aggregated Polling Estimate
    50.3-49.7 to ALP
    Last update 23 October (Essential)
    This is a “what I say the polls say now”, not a prediction.
    Click here for methods summary.”

  22. I have a Chinese EV. It was expensive. But there are many positives:
    – It was under the luxury car tax limit, which is much higher for an EV, which means that…
    – there is no FBT on a novated lease. The saving here is substantial.
    – No running costs, it charges off the home solar
    – No servicing costs for the first five years. And servicing is only every 2 years anyway. And they basically just need to top up the brake fluid and check the brake pads.

    All up it’s a cheaper proposition than any other car I’ve owned, even though it notionally cost twice as much. Best of all, it’s a Volvo and regardless of who owns them this week and where they are made, the fit and finish is excellent as are the safety features. It also goes like the clappers, acceleration in these things has to be experienced to be believed.

    Most importantly, not a penny goes to that prick Elon Musk.

    If someone is in the market for a car and in a position where they can acquire an EV through a novated lease I would encourage them to do the numbers.

  23. ‘Thomas says:
    Wednesday, October 23, 2024 at 8:54 am

    Boerwar says:
    Wednesday, October 23, 2024 at 8:04 am

    Lucy will let Charlie kick the football this time, I promise.’
    ==================
    haha

  24. ” Doesn’t seem like Price’s comments to SMH on abortion have captured wider media attention yet, didn’t make it in to Crikey’s Worm, or Guardian’s Morning Mail. Google News search for Jacinta Price just turns up the original SMH article.”

    I guess if it isn’t critical of Labor or Israel Crikey and the Guardian aren’t interested these days.

  25. ‘autocrat says:
    Wednesday, October 23, 2024 at 8:55 am
    …’
    ================
    Novated lease? Yep. Two rellies did this. Yuge advantage. (Middle class welfare, but, hey!)

    A mate of mine got a Volvo new but has since sold it. He lost his nerve in it going serious outback bush bashing. (He did buy the spare wheel).

  26. pied piper says:
    Wednesday, October 23, 2024 at 7:34 am
    Once again Fed labor has brought in too many people cannot get rid of them quickly due to appeals etc .

    Not a fan of due process, I see.

  27. Murdoch media and the LNP are getting into an absolute frenzy over what Lidia Thorpe said.

    Meanwhile Murdoch media in the US (Fox News) is doing all it can to support a convicted criminal and conman wanting to be the most powerful person in the world.

  28. People come here as students then lie and appeal even though their visa has expired. kick them out or put them in detention.

    Mind you they are damaging labor the most.

  29. And looking at BludgerTrack 2025, https://www.pollbludger.net/fed2025/bludgertrack/index.htm, it seems to have 2.PP as 49.8% gov and 50.2% opp.
    Since the election the gov is down 2.3% and the opp up 2.3%.
    Greens and centrist/ blue Libs lite 43.5%, Libferals/ Nats and PHON 45.6% of the PV … here’s to the crossbenchers!
    PPM is the PM/ ‘… Albo’ (though supposedly that skews to the incumbent). I can’t imagine voting for the LOTO/ ‘Reichspotato’ anymore than TDJT.
    Net sat better for LOTO???

  30. Arkysays:
    Wednesday, October 23, 2024 at 9:01 am
    ________________________
    GA doesn’t have much in the way of auspol going up this last week, mostly royals and Thorpe. A very one eyed review of the Greens’ work in the QLD election, but otherwise its GA big upping the feds for their social media committee, and criticism for LNP housing. Crikey has a big USA election focus atm, otherwise its the home page is mostly coalition and big business critical, with a couple of exceptions (NACC, Plibersek, right to protest/strike).
    I said Dutton had a glass jaw yesterday, but I think if you can’t handle any criticism of ‘your team’ while they are running the bloody well country, you’re probably giving him a run for his money.

  31. I have a Chinese EV (MG4)…sold both the Hilux and the Corolla hybrid, so own outright…just finished our first year and all up, $500 paid in charging (both home and public) —-> 3.3cents/km.
    Still a year away from my first free service, drives like a dream (beautifully balanced, quiet and oodles of power.
    I remember an old uncle who wouldn’t come outside to see my new Datto (1977) owing to his wartime experiences, which was understandable. What would he say to the ‘Real Aussies’ and their Toyota 4WD ‘icons’ these days?

  32. pied piper, whilst that’s a great Liberal party talking point, it isn’t the case.

    I know 2 people who work in the student visa world and the due process is incredibly tight, particularly since the Liberals got kicked out. Most organizations have to achieve evidence level 2 (majority of universities) or evidence level 3 (everyone else) for their students to get in the country.

    Literally no education provider wants to be EL3 as it kills their intake and they put a LOT of effort into ensuring their international students dont skip out on study.

    https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/what-we-do/education-program/what-we-do/evidence-levels

  33. Pretty soon after the last fed election I thought we were probably looking at the last ever majority Commonwealth government. That is looking increasingly likely as the centre fails to hold.

    Over the past two and a half years the Overton window has shifted to the right and has also stretched dramatically, with extreme far right and extreme far left extreme parties now further apart than ever before.

  34. C@tmomma says:
    Wednesday, October 23, 2024 at 5:39 am
    We should be like Singapore!?! And all live in apartments, except for the wealthiest few? Yeah nah.

    ————

    We are completely different to Singapore land wise, we’re not a city state limited to 700 sq km of land as you should probably realise and acknowledge.

    Australia is kind of set up though as a federation of 5 separate city states which places unnecessarily tight competition for housing/land/jobs in the largest cities.

    Whitlam was the last PM with a plan to decentralise population, he wanted Albury-Wodonga to become a major inland city – it’s a shame plans like this were never followed through on. And it seems completely beyond the capacity of the visionless governments of current times to even conceive let alone develop.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albury-Wodonga_Development_Corporation

  35. ‘Dog’s Brunch says:
    Wednesday, October 23, 2024 at 9:21 am

    I have a Chinese EV (MG4)…sold both the Hilux and the Corolla hybrid, so own outright…just finished our first year and all up, $500 paid in charging (both home and public) —-> 3.3cents/km.
    Still a year away from my first free service, drives like a dream (beautifully balanced, quiet and oodles of power.
    I remember an old uncle who wouldn’t come outside to see my new Datto (1977) owing to his wartime experiences, which was understandable. What would he say to the ‘Real Aussies’ and their Toyota 4WD ‘icons’ these days?’
    ================
    Sounds great. Dad was on the Burma Railroad so I have some sympathy for your Uncle. What sort of EV do you have if you don’t mind saying.

  36. ‘mj says:
    Wednesday, October 23, 2024 at 9:26 am

    C@tmomma says:
    Wednesday, October 23, 2024 at 5:39 am
    We should be like Singapore!?! And all live in apartments, except for the wealthiest few? Yeah nah.

    ————

    We are completely different to Singapore land wise, we’re not a city state limited to 700 sq km of land as you should probably realise and acknowledge.

    Australia is kind of set up though as a federation of 5 separate city states which places unnecessarily tight competition for housing/land/jobs in the largest cities.

    Whitlam was the last PM with a plan to decentralise population, he wanted Albury-Wodonga to become a major inland city – it’s a shame plans like this were never followed through on. And it seems completely beyond the capacity of the visionless governments of current times to even conceive let alone develop.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albury-Wodonga_Development_Corporation
    =================
    Do you think that the Greens plan to destroy a slew of rural and regional industries is going to encourage people out of the cities and into the bush? Seriously?

  37. Lars Von Triersays:
    Wednesday, October 23, 2024 at 6:45 am
    The IMF says Aussie inflation will be 3.6% by the end of 2025 and growth will be 1.2% off the back of massive immigration.

    I wonder what those numbers mean politically?
    _______________________________
    Peter Hannam has poured some cold water on inflation hawking in GA live blog;

    Recall that headline consumer price inflation has been artificially lowered lately by energy and housing rebates.

    Now some of those won’t be repeated – eg Queensland’s $1000 per household handout on 1 July – but it remains highly likely that a federal government seeking reelection is going to offer some sort of rebates for next year (and the opposition will probably seek to match or exceed them).

    The RBA, of course, can’t anticipate what those rebates will be so they don’t include any. Hey presto, headline CPI rises next year.

    The central bank, of course, pays more attention to underlying inflation. On current forecasts, the trimmed mean measure will ease from 3.5% at year’s end to 2.9% by December 2025.

    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    Use of the word ‘artificially’ by Hannam is a weird choice. CPI is lower because of government policy, nothing artificial about it. He could have said temporarily, and that would be fine, but artificial is incorrect.

  38. Marina Hyde really has a way with words:

    However many years we are through the looking-glass now, I still boggle at the utter WTF-ery of Trump and Musk being able to present themselves as rank outsiders oppressed by the elites. “One of the challenges we’re having is, how do we get the public to know about this petition because the legacy media won’t report on it,” whined Musk at the weekend, in comments promptly reported by the legacy media. Also: you own a media platform, shithead – please don’t try to “my struggle” this one.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/22/elon-musk-million-dollars-donald-trump-elected

  39. ”pied piper, whilst that’s a great Liberal party talking point, it isn’t the case.”

    Liberal talking points don’t have to be “the case”. They just have to push the right buttons in their target audience. Any relationship to objective reality, logic or past positions held is immaterial. For example, the Coalition has always ran a high immigration policy.

    That being said, I don’t know why Mr Piper repeatedly parrots Liberal talking points here. Obviously not to convert the Labor and Green supporters. Maybe he wants to see if and how the “elites” and “woke” among posters here react. Competitor research maybe.

  40. Interesting article by Gittins in the Herald today. We’ve seen an interesting dynamic play out over the last couple of years. On one hand, the Reserve Bank has been ratcheting up interest rates, and by all accounts the economy is slowing to a standstill. But on the other hand, employment growth remains strong, and the unemployment rate is still close to a record low. So what’s going on? In a word: demographics. Traditionally, a slowing economy would mean increasing unemployment, but with Australia’s population ageing fast, there simply aren’t enough workers to fill all of the jobs we have and need, and there won’t be for the foreseeable future. This is why we’ve tried to import workers to fill the gaps, but this has created infrastructure problems (as there are not enough workers to build the houses for these immigrants to live in), as well as social tensions. In any event, just about every other wealthy-ish country is facing the same pressures, and therefore chasing the same migrants. The rest of this decade stands to be a good time for workers, but it won’t be without its challenges.

    The politics of all this is delicate. Clearly there is an anti-immigrant vibe out there in parts of the country (something that the likes of Dutton, and Trump in the US, are eager to exploit), but at the same time, we will need these same immigrants to fill the increasing number of job vacancies. This is particularly the case in labour intensive industries like health, education, hospitality, and infrastructure building. But it’s also the case that our increasingly ageing populations are turning against incumbent governments in response to virulent anti-immigration campaigns from insurgents. No easy answers to all of this of course, but it’s a new reality we need to get used to.

    https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/get-this-into-your-head-we-are-now-short-of-workers-not-jobs-20241022-p5kkak.html

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