Three items of electoral relevance to emerge amidst the New Year news and polling drought:
• Paul Sakkal of The Age reports Stephanie Hunt, corporate lawyer and former legal adviser to Julie Bishop and Marise Payne, will seek Liberal preselection for Goldstein, which Tim Wilson hopes to recover after losing to independent Zoe Daniel in 2022. Wilson remains the front-runner, in the estimation of a further report in The Age today.
• Lydia Lynch of The Australian reports Margie Nightingale, former teacher and policy adviser to Treasurer Cameron Dick, is the front-runner to succeed Annastacia Palaszczuk in her seat of Inala, the by-election for which is “tipped to be held in March”. Palaszczuk’s former deputy chief-of-staff, Jon Persley, had long been mentioned as her likely successor, but he has withdrawn from contention, saying the party’s gender quota rules played a “big factor” in the decision.
• Sue Bailey of the Sunday Tasmanian reports that veteran former Liberal Senator and conservative stalwart Eric Abetz will seek state preselection in the division of Franklin for an election due in June next year, assuming Jeremy Rockliff’s government is able to keep the show on the road that long.
Entropy:
Our local Labor candidate mentioned it in pretty much every speech that he made.
nathsays:
Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 9:51 pm
I’m glad people are talking about it. It’s the stupidest thing Dutton has said in a while. Hoping for more of it.
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That’s only because Prince Phillip is dead so he can’t suggest and extra knighthood for him and i suspect even Dutton isn’t dumb enough to suggest under a LNP Government we will Knight Prince Andrew. Though who knows, Dutton is pretty stupid.
There’s a chance (probably small) that after the next election the only Victorian seats held by the Coalition will be Mallee and Gippsland.
”Can I get a tax deduction from the next LNP government for flying the Australian flag?”
That’ll be a Liberal policy for the 2025 election.
Dutts wants us to head to Aldi for this!
https://www.aldi.com.au/special-buys/special-buys-wed-17-january/
Surely Quinoa is too woke for proper Aussie blokes?
I think it’s shocking that Freud’s great-great-daughter would engage in this sort of stuff, having access to his clinical notes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCiKCYUHDJ0
C@t: “ And, quite frankly, 25% IS a lot.”
Nowhere as much of a lot as 40% (the proportion of Labor voters intending to vote No, according to YouGov’s pre-Referendum poll).
The YouGov and Roy Morgan numbers were quantitatively quite different, but qualitatively similar: the probability of a Labor voter voting No was 1.6 (YouGov) to 1.8 (Roy Morgan) times more than the probability of a Greens voter voting No.
You throwaway comment “Ah, the company Dutton keeps” applies to Labor voters more so than to Greens voters.
nathsays:
Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:02 pm
There’s a chance (probably small) that after the next election the only Victorian seats held by the Coalition will be Mallee and Gippsland.
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I guess there is a small chance of Darren Chester becoming an Independent too. Which would lose them Gippsland. He does seem to get in trouble at times with the Nationals from up north in his party.
Oliver getting suspicious of the Kool Aid.
Entropy says:
I guess there is a small chance of Darren Chester becoming an Independent too. Which would lose them Gippsland. He does seem to get in trouble at times with the Nationals from up north in his party.
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That would be something. If Independents can get a slightly better result in Nicholls and Wannon that would be something too. Redistribution to come, but who knows. Victoria rejected an evangelical authoritarian Christian comprehensively. A proto fascist Queensland copper with the brains of a proto fascist Queensland copper should do even worse.
Mavissays:
Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:06 pm
I think it’s shocking that Freud’s great-great-daughter would engage in this sort of stuff, having access to his clinical notes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCiKCYUHDJ0
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Do you think we should have laws so people representing dead people can sue for defamation?. For instance the ancestors being able to sue for defamation of their great-great Grandma and for allowing public disclosure of her clinical notes with out permission from the deceased persons surviving ancestors?.
Quote: “De mortuis nil nisi bonum dicendum est”
Player One
Albanese did more damage to Indigenous Australian interests than anyone has done since the Frontier Wars.
That is one fucked-up comment.
Entropy:
Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:20 pm
I think you may’ve missed the point. These women are taking the piss. By the way, save for exceptional circumstances, you can’t defame the dead as they have no reputation to preserve.
Oliver Sutton @ #1507 Thursday, January 11th, 2024 – 10:09 pm
Who cares!?! I know that and I wish no Labor voter had voted No, but that wasn’t my point. I know the Labor Party aren’t perfect and neither are their voters BUT it’s The Greens that put themselves out there as the self righteous ones and I’m just saying that a No vote of 25% is way higher than was expected. So, I’m right. A lot of Greens voters also voted ‘No’ and they can therefore be put in the same box as Peter Dutton. You either voted ‘Yes’, or you voted ‘No’. As someone pointed out during the referendum. No is still No at the end of the day, no matter what reason you have for voting No.
You just need to get used to the idea, as I have with Labor, that your party, The Greens, and their voters, at least as far as the referendum was concerned, aren’t as pure as the driven snow. Own it. You’ll feel better in the morning for doing it.
FUBAR 6.2o&6.22pm
‘We shop at Coles mostly so it won’t bother us and I don’t get to make that decision. I do most of my shopping at Dan Murphy’s.’
“@LucyTurnbull_AO
Seriously enough with the call to boycott a leading Australian company because of what it freely decides to sell (or not). Stop the culture wars! Stop cancel culture! Please make it stop.”
‘It’s ok if it runs one way, but not the other. Got it.’
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I don’t do ‘cancel culture’ because it would seriously mess with the music I listen to and the movies I watch. I do, however, boycott Coles because the last time I was in there they still had rows of caged eggs. I think Woolworths have a no factory farming policy. I suffer from the ultimate example of cognitive dissonance. I really like animals but I also like eating them. My only solution is to hope they had some kind of reasonable life before ending up on my plate.
I also do most of my shopping at Dan Murphy’s. As far as I know, no animals are harmed in the production of their product.
Rainmansays:
Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:31 pm
I also do most of my shopping at Dan Murphy’s. As far as I know, no animals are harmed in the production of their product.
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Possibly the worm in the Tequila bottle. Though i’ve never heard anyone protesting over the treatment of a Tequila worm.
“WTAF is this about!?! I hope you’re being sarcastic. The Prime Minister is ‘not a real Australian’!?! Define ‘Real Australian”.”
Yes, I was being sarcastic. But I’m not putting it past the Liberal Party and their ilk in the near to medium term to go full on nativist and slander Albanese as not being a true Australian just like GOP operatives call “Borat Hussein Osama” a Muslim who wasn’t born in the US.
Cat at 9.18 am
You can watch the current International Court of Justice case at this link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2JQIJA_fSU
You might learn to be not so readily dismissive of seriously presented arguments.
nath @ Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 9:51 pm:
“I’m glad people are talking about it. It’s the stupidest thing Dutton has said in a while. Hoping for more of it.”
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Nath, this clanger by Dutton was so stupid on so many levels I still can’t entirely believe this is not somehow fake news. How does he think he will reassure Woolworths workers and shareholders he doesn’t really want them to be collateral damage from his King Kong chest-thumping and tree-chucking Kulcha War tantrum? Or hoodwink them into thinking no bad will come from it anyway? (I can just see some cooked in the head Dutton sheeple stalking Woolworths car parks, committing vandalism on shopfronts or assaults on hapless customers and workers.)
This is such a sure-fire vote loser I cannot think of any adviser actually suggesting this to any politician, let alone a major party leader. Someone Dutton clearly normally depends upon to rein in his obvious derangement must be on holidays right now. Team Dutton is a clown show of BoJo proportions if today is any guide. Let’s just hope, for the sake of Australian political sanity, it reaches the cliff edge quicker than the former UK PM did.
Shogunsays:
Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:28 pm
Player One
Albanese did more damage to Indigenous Australian interests than anyone has done since the Frontier Wars.
That is one fucked-up comment.
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What would you expect from one fucked up individual?
Proud Murri lad talking here too!
Dr Doolittle,
You obviously haven’t studied closely the look of pure terror on the faces of the Israeli festival goers that were taken as hostages by Hamas, or watched as their friends were gunned down in cold blood and then tried to run away and hide from the same fate themselves. That’s what started it. And legal arguments brought by a country that is bought and paid for by Vladimir Putin doesn’t cut it with me, as a result.
Sure, loss of any life in this conflict is a crime, but don’t forget who started it when trying to apportion blame.
MelbourneMammothsays:
Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:38 pm
“WTAF is this about!?! I hope you’re being sarcastic. The Prime Minister is ‘not a real Australian’!?! Define ‘Real Australian”.”
Yes, I was being sarcastic. But I’m not putting it past the Liberal Party and their ilk in the near to medium term to go full on nativist and slander Albanese as not being a true Australian just like GOP operatives call “Borat Hussein Osama” a Muslim who wasn’t born in the US.
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Actually the other night the “Pied Piper” was going on about Albo being a beta male. As if that was some sort of put down. I suspect he believes being an alpha male is only thing to be. Personally i find a belief in the superiority of alpha maleness and toxic masculinity generally go hand in hand. Just like flying the Australia flag in your front yard and fascism seem closely associated.
Quote: “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross”
“ loss of any life in this conflict is a crime,”
Incorrect.
Entropy:
Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:40 pm
[‘Poor old Kimberly Kitching appears to be no legal way her reputation can be restored from the vicious lies told about her by Linda Reynolds.’]
Correct. Apart from the living, the only way you can sue in defamation is when you can catch a defamatory comment directed at the family or friends of the deceased. But if I were a lawyer, I’d demand $150K in trust. And even then, I’d suggest spending it more wisely – eg, in Bali.
B.S. Fairman says:
Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 6:59 pm
The whole Australia Day controversy could be solved by moving the date to the last Monday in January.
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It’s ironic that straylya day commemorates a day when there was no straylya. They should change the name to:
‘The day the English dumped their poor unfortunates and a shit load of Irish in the penal colony of New South Wales because they couldn’t dump them in America anymore after losing a war.’
Or, change the name to Federation Day and hold it on the 9th of May – the day the first parliament of the Commonwealth of Australia was opened.
And keep the flag thongs and never change our flag. It’s so divisive, it’s beautiful. It’s the sole reason we’re not a nation of fucking flag flyers. Fuck patriotism.
Entropy says:
Quote: “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross”
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and wearing a ginger hair-piece
IF we are discussing politicians doing damage I would suggest you start with Menzies of the Liberal Party committing Australia to the Vietnam War when our ally, the USA, had information dating years prior that a War in Vietnam could not be won
There is a movie, based on fact and featuring decisions to publish by the Washington Post
Then the Menzies administration introduced conscription, over 200 of those killed in Vietnam conscripts
As with the decision of the Menzies wannabe Howard to put Australians in the line of danger in Iraq based on a lie we do not see the media coverage of Menzies and Howard in regard these 2 decisions, the truth hidden
It is a pity Australian media is such an embarrassment to media per se, acting as influencers for the Liberal Party including by consistently giving headlines to attacks on Labor governments any reading of the articles identifying that those critical are Liberal Party politicians and/or organisations affiliated with the Liberal Party
This is akin to their deliberate television tactic of crossing to an interviewer nodding in agreement to an answer which used to be the norm
Puts adhering to an election promise to conduct a referendum, providing equal funds to both sides of the question put into context, hey?
Both sides of the question were equally funded by government
“You can watch the current International Court of Justice case at this link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2JQIJA_fSU”
Well that Court needs a few more judges!!!!!!!!!!!
C@tmommasays:
Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:51 pm
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You are really into moratorium breaking today. Nobody can actually properly respond to many of your assertions with out breaking it too. So stop baiting people to break the rules too.
Quote: “The rotten apple spoils his companions.”
Macarthur says:
Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:48 pm
nath @ Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 9:51 pm:
“I’m glad people are talking about it. It’s the stupidest thing Dutton has said in a while. Hoping for more of it.”
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Nath, this clanger by Dutton was so stupid on so many levels I still can’t entirely believe this is not somehow fake news. How does he think he will reassure Woolworths workers and shareholders he doesn’t really want them to be collateral damage from his King Kong chest-thumping and tree-chucking Kulcha War tantrum? Or hoodwink them into thinking no bad will come from it anyway? (I can just see some cooked in the head Dutton sheeple stalking Woolworths car parks, committing vandalism on shopfronts or assaults on hapless customers and workers.)
This is such a sure-fire vote loser I cannot think of any adviser actually suggesting this to any politician, let alone a major party leader. Someone Dutton clearly normally depends upon to rein in his obvious derangement must be on holidays right now. Team Dutton is a clown show of BoJo proportions if today is any guide. Let’s just hope, for the sake of Australian political sanity, it reaches the cliff edge quicker than the former UK PM did.
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Perhaps I am giving Dutton more credit looking for a rational motive as I doubt the is would have been an off-the cuff brain fart – It makes you wonder what the internal polls/focus groups are saying to the LNP. Is the leakage to the ON/UAP cookers getting that bad they need to go harder, go further right to sore up the LNP base a bit more? It is consistent with the mutterings coming out post election about needing to go ‘further right’.
Entropy says:
Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:02 pm
Dutton is so stupid he oversaw a massive turnaround in the Referendum vote from an almost certain Yes to a resounding No. And, while I believe the ALP will get a second term because that’s what Australia does, he has the Opposition well in the hunt. But he’s stupid, apparently.
“Dutton is so stupid he oversaw a massive turnaround in the Referendum vote from an almost certain Yes to a resounding No. And, while I believe the ALP will get a second term because that’s what Australia does, he has the Opposition well in the hunt. But he’s stupid, apparently.”
I don’t think so, while encouraging and fostering racism and stupidity with lies and distortions is not necessarily a sign of intelligence, I don’t think he is stupid I think he is one of the most despicable politicians this country has ever had, evil rather than stupid.
Done it before and will do it again!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrLTe1_9zso
Cheers!!
Here we go again says:
Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 11:08 pm
There was no direct Federal Government funding for either side of the Referendum.
Defeating a referendum: Something that’s notoriously difficult to do in Australia. As seen by how rarely it happens.
“ fostering racism and stupidity with lies and distortions” such as…..????
Evil? How?
Just because you disagree with someone politically doesn’t make them evil. Unless you are discussing the Tamil Tigers, Hamas or Pol Pot or similar use of the term is ridiculous hyperbole.
FUBARsays:
Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 11:17 pm
Entropy says:
Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:02 pm
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WWP gave a very good answer. Doubt i could give a better one so i want try to.
Wat
What were the polling numbers for the Yes Vote like when Albo won the election?
Perhaps you should go back and review the comments on this blog.
“Just because you disagree with someone politically”
It isn’t about disagreeing with him politically at all, they didn’t make an alternative political case, they didn’t argue that indigenous Australians didn’t deserve to be recognised in the constitution, that would have been pretty low, almost certainly racist, but an honest political disagreement. But they didn’t do that, they lied, over and over again.
Lying to deprive an indigenous population of mere recognition in the constitution is despicable and evil. Normalising the evil of the far right doesn’t seem to be working anywhere, I’m not some meek centrist that effectively fosters the flames of fascism, I’m going to call evil when I see it. I may not always be right, but on this one there isn’t a lot of doubt.
Rainman says:
Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 11:06 pm
Why would 9 May, which reinforces the fact that the invasion was successful, make the opponents of Australia Day on 26 Jan any happier?
Hey guys! Let’s celebrate the date that legally confirmed that we whipped your arses!!! Great idea. Pretty sure they’ll still have rallies demanding to burn the place down.
Let’s have a BBQ in the fucking rain and a Public Holiday just after the one for 25 April. Genius.
WeWantPaul says:
Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 11:33 pm
There was no lying by the LNP.
It wasn’t for “mere recognition” – claiming it was is a lie.
“Let’s have a BBQ in the fucking rain and a Public Holiday just after the one for 25 April. Genius.”
If all you far right wing ‘patriots’ want is a public holiday just call it Invasion Day and enjoy it on Jan 26. Then when decent caring Australians find a day to try and improve and unify our country and you could be real patriots that day, and stay at home and keep your mouths shut, leave it to the real patriots who love the whole country for a day.
WeWantPaul at 11.09 pm
There are usually 15 judges on the International Court of Justice, plus, in a case such as this, one ad hoc judge for each of the two parties. Note that one of the 15 judges is an Australian, Professor Hilary Charlesworth.
For biographies see: https://www.icj-cij.org/current-members
Sometimes 15 judges might not be quite enough, if one of the judges dies during a case. In the 1996 advisory opinion about nuclear weapons, that occurred, and the remaining 14 judges split 7-all in a very complicated result, determined by the casting vote of the President of the Court.
Russia has usually had a judge on the Court, likewise the US, UK, France and China, and often Japan, but in the voting last November the Russian judge did not get re-elected, whereas Charlesworth did. That was one consequence of Putin’s war.
See: https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/11/1143417
‘“All that South Africa has to do to win a provisional measures order is convince the court that its charge of genocide is ‘plausible,’” said William Schabas, a former chairman of a U.N. commission of inquiry into Israel’s military operations in the Gaza Strip in 2014, who is a professor of international law at Middlesex University London.
South Africa, Professor Schabas said, had so far only set out “a skeleton of its case,” and it would be months before it gathers all of its evidence. “Only then can we really assess the full strength of the South African case,” he said.
The court’s decisions are typically binding, though it has few means of enforcing them. In 2004, the court issued a nonbinding opinion that Israel’s construction of its security barrier inside the territory of the occupied West Bank was illegal and that it should be dismantled. Twenty years later, the system of walls and fences is still standing.’
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/10/world/middleeast/israel-genocide-case-south-africa-icj.html
Schabas is the author of a standard text on the International Criminal Court, a different body created in 2002. It has jurisdiction over Gaza and could try both Hamas and Israeli perpetrators of war crimes.
WeWantPaul says:
Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 11:41 pm
We are not the ones who call it Invasion Day. They coined the term themselves.
FUBARsays:
Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 11:17 pm
Entropy says:
Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:02 pm
Dutton is so stupid he oversaw a massive turnaround in the Referendum vote from an almost certain Yes to a resounding No. And, while I believe the ALP will get a second term because that’s what Australia does, he has the Opposition well in the hunt. But he’s stupid, apparently.
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I think Dutton got a political win from it but long term he has further alienated the Teal seats from the Liberal party. I don’t think the Liberals can win government without these seats back in the fold. Of course the Teal seats voted strongly for the Voice.
Howard managed to hold them, but it seems they have had enough of conservatism. It seems Dutton thinks he can win without them.
I suspect that he has traded the wealthy teal seats for 3-5% swings in safe Labor seats like Lalor and Calwell.
“It wasn’t for “mere recognition” – claiming it was is a lie.”
Perhaps you could elaborate, beside recognition and granting a voice, ie mere recognition that came without even granting a hearing, what wonderful bounties beyond mere recognition are you suggesting I missed?
Or are you arguing they should perhaps have been recognised, but not given any voice at all, kind of half recognised so long as they stayed silent and on the other side of an ever widening gap? That would be pretty consistent with your posts, but I’m not sure it establishes anything of substance beyond mere recognition.
“There are usually 15 judges on the International Court of Justice, plus, in a case such as this, one ad hoc judge for each of the two parties. Note that one of the 15 judges is an Australian, Professor Hilary Charlesworth.”
My apologies Dr Doolittle it was an irreverent jest after I watched the camera pan from one side to the other, in light of the fact that the moratorium doesn’t really allow for discussion of the heartbreaking content of the matter.
FUBAR
‘Let’s have a BBQ in the fucking rain and a Public Holiday just after the one for 25 April. Genius.’
Can I come? I’ll bring my umbrella and some lamb chops (I’m really sorry cute little lambs but you are delicious). I’ll wear my ‘I’m with Genius’ t-shirt and we can take a selfie.
Dr Doolittle
I knew the late Kevin Parker. He was friends with my parents.
I’d be willing to brave the rain in order to celebrate my country. I guess some people are just fair weather patriots… 😛