Recent highlights, such as they are, from a distinctly uneventful New South Wales state election campaign:
• Too late to affect their placement on the ballot paper, the Coalition have disendorsed two candidates in no chance seats this week over past indiscretions on Twitter: 20-year-old Ash Barnham in Cessnock, who has been dropped by the Nationals over comments two years ago denigrating women, gays and Jews, and Liberal candidate Matthew Squires in Wyong, who among other things described homosexuality as a “perversion”.
• A report in the Daily Telegraph on Saturday, which I can’t find online, related a Climate 200 poll showing an effective dead heat between Liberal member Felicity Wilson and teal independent Helen Conway in North Shore, with the former leading 50.7-49.3 on two-candidate preferred. Wilson led 33.6% to 17.9% on the primary vote, with Labor on 16.6%, the Greens on 10.4% and 9.8% uncommitted. The poll had a sample of 600, with no field work dates identified in the report. Liberal sources quoted in The Australian today say the party is concerned about independents in North Shore, Wakehurst and Willoughby, but seemingly less so in Manly and Vaucluse.
• The Financial Review last week reported that Freshwater Strategy found Labor candidate Warren Kirby with a 54-46 lead over Liberal candidate Mohit Kumar in Riverstone, from primary votes of Labor 40%, Liberal 37%, Greens 7% and One Nation 7%. The accompanying report was distinctly light on further detail, but this appears to have been a supplement to the statewide poll published by the paper last week, which was conducted the Thursday to Saturday before last.
UPDATE: Adrian Beaumont’s latest piece in The Conversation draws attention to seat polls I had missed from Redbridge Group, showing Labor 54-46 ahead in Parramatta but the Liberals 51-49 ahead in Penrith (though the accompanying release acknowledges the Liberal vote is “a little under-reported” in the former).
Given the consistency of the opinion polls against him, Perrottet urgently needs a Scomonesque 2019 miracle, because the alternative will be a Scomonesque 2022 bashing!
I think Parramatta is a more likely gain for Labor than Penrith, at least based on the 2022 federal election results.
https://citynews.com.au/2023/nsw-polls-predict-labor-failing-short/?utm_source=mailpoet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=canberra-daily-today-s-news-today_7801
by Adrian Beaumont
paramatter may bi but penrith is different to the federal seat labor are putting resoursis and making a strong effort hear where as in the federal seat they basickly did not do much the candadate was un known a fire fighter from out of aria
With the usual caveat re relevance to the real world…
At Sportsbet, Labor has moved into 1.20, Coalition out to 5.00
But Labor minority has moved into 1.95, majority out to 3.00
citizen
Let it ride. Move that market.
Labor minority government has been my tip since day 1. Minns could certainly do a deal with the 3 Greens in the lower house likely to be elected, if Labor for example gets to 43 or 44 seats.
I will assume that to help out Perrottett, the Daily Telegraph and Channels 9 & 7 in the final week of the campaign will whip up the anti Labor/anti Minns machine.
On the other hand, here is a sign that the impact of the anti Labor media in Sydney might be waning. In today’s radio ratings survey for Sydney, 2GB, otherwise known as Radio Liberal, lost the No 1 spot to KissFM, and Ben Fordham lost his No 1 spot on breakfast radio to Kyle and Jackie O(who by the way are vocally supporting Chris Minns, and had him on their show last week playing electric guitar).
It is incredible how little public and media interest there is in the upcoming NSW election when compared to the recent VIC election. Some have said it is due to NSW politics “not being radical” enough. I put it down to the poor governance which has served NSW for quite some time involving both the major parties.
I’ll say I’ll be watching Election Night on Saturday next week, but I think the main reason why this election thread on PB is that there’s no real active provocateurs here like there was with the Victorian election that prompted people to comment.
The right wing cookers don’t seem to care as much about who wins between Perrotet and Minns as much as they were baying for the end of Dan Andrews, so, that results in this situation.
In my view, this election looks like it’s going to be how it usually is for post-WW2 NSW Labor oppositions winning government, winning narrowly, like in 1976 and 1995.
citizen says:
Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 4:04 pm
With the usual caveat re relevance to the real world…
At Sportsbet, Labor has moved into 1.20, Coalition out to 5.00
But Labor minority has moved into 1.95, majority out to 3.00
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Not that I’m a betting man, but I think that I will put some money on with SportsBet on both Labor and the Liberals winning next Saturday night.
With SportsBet’s record of paying out $5,000,000 wrongly and prematurely to those who bet on Labor winning the 2019 federal election, I know that I’ll get paid out whoever wins but there’s also the chance SportsBet may payout prematurely on either party like last time.
Now, that’s what I call hedging a bet.
ABC News in Sydney at 7PM tonight, their only interest in the state election was Gladys campaigning in Penrith with Stuart Ayres, in comparison on the commercial channels, blanket coverage of Chris Minns being mobbed by school kids in Parramatta.
Meanwhile on the 7.30 program, the ABC again trying to run the line that cashless gaming cards will decide the outcome of the NSW election – yeah, really?
Evan says:
Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 9:37 pm
ABC News in Sydney at 7PM tonight, their only interest in the state election was Gladys campaigning in Penrith with Stuart Ayres, in comparison on the commercial channels, blanket coverage of Chris Minns being mobbed by school kids in Parramatta.
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I suppose when Stuart Ayres complained to the police about Gladys sabotaging his chances of keeping his seat of Penrith, they told him that because she hasn’t broken any laws “YET” there is nothing they can do to stop her.
No doubt if ICAC had already handed down its findings, they may have been able to help Ayres out.
Evan says:
Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 9:37 pm
ABC News in Sydney at 7PM tonight, their only interest in the state election was Gladys campaigning in Penrith with Stuart Ayres, in comparison on the commercial channels, blanket coverage of Chris Minns being mobbed by school kids in Parramatta.
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No doubt all those school kids are Labor voters of the future.
I’ve always said that they should lower the voting age to 10.
Bob @ 2.11pm
Thanks.
Are you coming to the footy on sunday, with Ben & I?
Ben made a great comment after the Richmond / Carlton match, last night, “88 000 Victorians can all go home – cranky and disappointed. A perfect night.”
Evan says:
Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 9:37 pm
ABC News in Sydney at 7PM tonight, their only interest in the state election was Gladys campaigning in Penrith with Stuart Ayres, in comparison on the commercial channels, blanket coverage of Chris Minns being mobbed by school kids in Parramatta.
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No doubt the ABC presenters could barely contain their delight at seeing Gladys back campaigning. One of the eduring legacies of Scott Morrison has been his success in turning ABC News into a Liberal Party propaganda unit. I don’t know how he did it but a solid effort on his part.
Sure am Macca RB.
Look forward to seeing you both there.
Why aren’t Labor talking about the M5 East. A free road that the libs put a (high) toll on to make the other tunnel viable, which was then sold off anyways. Dom’s always banging on about lowering the cost of living, and there is a clear example to counter the argument. It’s such an simple and highly visible talking point to make.
The minimum number of seats needed for Labor to have a 50% chance of forming government would be 42 seats (47 with Greens+Greenwich+Piper), yeah?
Can’t see how it would work with 41 or 40?
Is that math correct?
this is serninly the least inspiring nsw election both leaders seem to be campaigning with little pation no where near as interesting as victorian election desbite the fact Andrews was all ways prodicted to winn how ever i am suprised the liberals have not realy gonenegative on minns bringing up clements and histhe donattion maybi they realisehardly any body would remember clementsor the donation the only effort was one nation but now that asfour is off the ticket mihayliouk has no real use for latham and will not help him pick up a second seat
i prodict latham will probaly winn his own seat back the fact that he is running shows that just like hanson the party apeel hear is solely based off latham and with out him running they would have no chancewinning any upper house seats this election but the strange thing is how little atention has been given to one nation and the greens that have hardly made the news during this election
MelbourneMammoth @ #68 Friday, March 17th, 2023 – 9:05 am
Greenwich may be the king maker – he is not a definite in the Labor column. Which means more likely 43 seats to be sure
For sure but I cannot see Greenwich making a deal with SFF and other right-wing indies to prop up a Coalition minority. 42 seats would be enough in my view for Labor to have a 50%+ chance of forming government. 41 seats would be enough to have a nontrivial chance with McGirr (Wagga)?
Evan says:
Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 9:38 pm
Meanwhile on the 7.30 program, the ABC again trying to run the line that cashless gaming cards will decide the outcome of the NSW election – yeah, really?
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I saw 7.30 last night. 2 things stuck in my craw…
1) The intro to the state election piece mentioned Labor losing in 2011 + ‘corruption scandals’ – but no mention of ICAC investigating 15 Coalition MPs since!!!
2) Tim Costello used to stick to commenting on policy. This time he singled out Labor. Into the dustbin, Tim!
Labor certainly needs 42 seats at a minimum to pull off a minority government arrangement, with 3 Greens MPs(or 4, if another one was elected in Tweed for example), Greenwich, Greg Piper, maybe a new Teal independent(if they took Pittwater or North Shore off the Liberals).
Funnily enough all the betting markets currently have Labor favourite to win 42 seats.
>Given the consistency of the opinion polls against him, Perrottet urgently needs a Scomonesque 2019 miracle, because the alternative will be a Scomonesque 2022 bashing!
Problem is that its looking dangerously like that. Like 2019, the polls are telling us there is a swing on, but nobody can point to (enough) seats likely to change hands. Which is sadly remarkable given this government’s record.
Greenwich would be betraying his constituents and his old mate Clover Moore if he switched to backing the LNP & far-right parties to let Perrotet hold power. Only 30% of the primary vote in 2019 went to the Liberals, the rest went to the left wing parties or Greenwich running as an independent progressive.
Greg Piper might not be as outwardly progressive but the 2 Candidate count ended up being 72% to him and 27% Labor in 2nd place. If he switched to supporting the Coalition he would also be rewarding the same Party who screwed him out of his job as Mayor of Lake Macquarie from the Get Clover bill.
Who knows, maybe having a minority Government will help Labor’s ongoing rebrand into being measured and capable of negotiating and discussing with independents and minor parties while the LNP just throw more imported american junk culture war nonsense via the murdoch rags.
i think piper would be more likely to back labor then Grenwich he is triying to use the pockies ishue as an excuse to keepperottit in power as he is close to matt kean costellow is going hard backing the liberals desbite them lining up with clubs nsw hard attacking gilliard same in tasmania but then again tims brother is peter costellow and the new paper the herald running hard that the party that gave us a second casinois owned by nine chaired buy peter
the publick does not seem interested in the costellow pockies distraction labor should stick more to health and education both leaders are not inspiring much interest
Costellow does not seem to care about the new casino or the liberals increasing the number of pocker machines over 12 years this is just a culture war to attack western sydney as aparently most problim gamblers live in labor strong holds like banks town and fairfield
How sad that I will never know what the “brutal truth” is because this SMH article is paywalled!!
Bob is correct.. Greenwich could do lots of things and maybe get away with them but to support a liberal nat govt on issues of confidence and supply would be a step too far… he would lose his seat to a green or Labor or a left independent of some sort
I have it on good authority that Dr Joe McGirr will be returned in Wagga Wagga.
Lols.
The Nats and Libs are both standing.
Gonna stand outside Romano’s on Saturday night and watch them flog the bejesus out of each other.
Scores settled etc.
Silly people.
PS Thanks Daryl and Gladys xxoo
Interesting that Libs and Nats are both standing in Wagga Wagga.
What are the preference flows like between the two parties with OPV. Wouldn’t surprise me if the Greens to Labor preference flows were stronger than preferences between the two Coalition parties. The relatively low preference flows from Nats to Libs in the Vic state seat of Bass cost them that seat.
Pre-poll opens tomorrow.
I will be voting 1 Labor in the lower house (no preferences) and 1 Legalise Cannabis, 2 Labor in the upper house.
Good luck to all candidates with a progressive vision for NSW.
Hopefully Legalise Cannabis wins a seat at the expense of the Greens. I have no idea who the Greens candidates even are, they have run a terrible campaign. They are a much diminished force without de facto leader David Shoebridge.
The Legalise Cannabis Party lead candidate is ex-Green MP Jeremy Buckingham who also has a great track record on environmental issues. The Greens have not legalised cannabis and have done little other than complain from the sidelines in regard to environment. Vote 1 Legalise Cannabis.
S. Simpson says:
Friday, March 17, 2023 at 5:54 pm
Pre-poll opens tomorrow.
I will be voting 1 Labor in the lower house (no preferences) and 1 Legalise Cannabis, 2 Labor in the upper house.
Good luck to all candidates with a progressive vision for NSW.
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As Mr Burns would say “EXCELLENT SIMPSON “!
Legalise Cannabis to smoke?
Legalise Cannabis to grow?
Legalise Cannabis to sell?
Legalise Cannabis to import?
Legalise Cannabis to export?
Aren’t these things already happening with impunity.
OK , maybe with the exception of massive farming.
I’ve never smoked it but does anyone really have a problem with its supply?
Anyone who wants it can get it very, very easily.
One reason I’m not in favour of it, is that my next door neighbours from a few years ago, who were big uses of Cannabis, usually on a Friday night after work , knocked on my front door and accused me of throwing rice (white rice) over the fence to feed their dog. They told me in no uncertain terms that the dog was on a special diet and could not eat white rice.
When I said I don’t know what the f**k he and his partner were talking about with their slurred speech and glassy eyes, they said they had checked with all the adjoining neighbours and none of them used white rice, so as I was the last neighbour they confronted, it must be me who is doing it.
After I explained I never threw rice of any colour over the fence, he simply said”just don’t do it again”.
At this stage my wife overhearing the conversation stormed out and told them to f**k off and never speak to us again or we will call the police.
Funny story telling it now, but quite frightening at the time.
Wait, pre-poll voting in NSW is only one week? Why is this? As a Victorian voter I’m used to there being 2-3 weeks of pre-poll voting in both state and federal elections.
In regard the Victorian election and media coverage, Costello (and his brother) are Victorians and are active in the Victorian Division of the Liberal Party
Costello leads one of the many factions – noting control is with the Bible Group
Hence Costello’s usage of 9 Entertainment to return the home of Menzies to Liberal Party rule
In NSW, Costello has no skin in the game apart from supporting the Liberal Party
NSW is not his back yard
In regard the ABC, along with many other NGA’s there needs to be a Board clean out with cross representations on those Boards (including the RBA)
With the Board clean outs, independence will return
The Federal Government is returning the PS as frank and fearless – and relied on for that frank and fearless advice
98.6says:
Friday, March 17, 2023 at 7:27 pm
S. Simpson says:
Friday, March 17, 2023 at 5:54 pm
Pre-poll opens tomorrow.
I will be voting 1 Labor in the lower house (no preferences) and 1 Legalise Cannabis, 2 Labor in the upper house.
Good luck to all candidates with a progressive vision for NSW.
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As Mr Burns would say “EXCELLENT SIMPSON “!
Legalise Cannabis to smoke?
Legalise Cannabis to grow?
Legalise Cannabis to sell?
Legalise Cannabis to import?
Legalise Cannabis to export?
Aren’t these things already happening with impunity.
OK , maybe with the exception of massive farming.
I’ve never smoked it but does anyone really have a problem with its supply?
Anyone who wants it can get it very, very easily.
One reason I’m not in favour of it, is that my next door neighbours from a few years ago, who were big uses of Cannabis, usually on a Friday night after work , knocked on my front door and accused me of throwing rice (white rice) over the fence to feed their dog. They told me in no uncertain terms that the dog was on a special diet and could not eat white rice.
When I said I don’t know what the f**k he and his partner were talking about with their slurred speech and glassy eyes, they said they had checked with all the adjoining neighbours and none of them used white rice, so as I was the last neighbour they confronted, it must be me who is doing it.
After I explained I never threw rice of any colour over the fence, he simply said”just don’t do it again”.
At this stage my wife overhearing the conversation stormed out and told them to f**k off and never speak to us again or we will call the police.
Funny story telling it now, but quite frightening at the time.
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Legalise Cannabis to smoke? Yes
Legalise Cannabis to grow? Yes
Legalise Cannabis to sell? Yes
Legalise Cannabis to import? Yes
Legalise Cannabis to export? Yes
Cannabis is already legal for medical use but it is too expensive for many on lower incomes. Allowing (limited) home grow would help these people. In regard to your neighbours you can be almost certain there were other drugs in the mix, probably meth.
Adam:
Ben Raue has an interesting article on the difference in preference flows between Labor and the Greens. There’s some flaky results (like Cabramatta being a notionally Lib seat on a Lib/Grn 2cp), but the main relevance here is Lismore. If there’s a small swing away from the Nats but the Greens jump Labor into second, the Nats can actually win that seat, as they get more Labor prefs than Green ones. If that happens, and Labor end up one seat short of govt, the flame war on here will be a sight to see.
As for Wagga, I’m surprised both Libs and Nats are standing. It just means McGirr will start way out in front on primaries, and under OPV pretty much ensures he’ll win.
S. Simpson: you realise there’s reasons why Buckingham became an ex-Green, right?
Minority govt speculation: I don’t understand why people think Gareth Ward would win Kiama as an independent, given what he’s been charged with, but if he does and there’s no majority for Lib+Nat or ALP+Green, the other independents could just keep a crippled Lib minority govt hanging until the inevitable Kiama by-election. If Labor win that (with a big swing compared to 2019), that’d give them more of an excuse to back Labor, a bit like the Frankston East by-election that kicked off the Bracks Labor govt in Vic.
S. Simpson replies.
Cannabis is already legal for medical use but it is too expensive for many on lower incomes. Allowing (limited) home grow would help these people. In regard to your neighbours you can be almost certain there were other drugs in the mix, probably meth.
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I’m sure you are right.
Ms 98.6 and I thought they must partake in other RECREATIONAL drugs, such as meth, as well.
When you don’t take drugs of any sort, you can possibly understand our fear that night.
Anyway they moved out after about a year later.
We now have nicer neighbours but they still have a Friday night drink along with friends and talk loud and play shit music, but we can tolerate that as they have young kids and usually fold up early.
No drugs that I can see through my binoculars. (Just Kidding)
Or our security camera . (Just kidding again)
Some punters on Sportsbet (who may know something or nothing) have continued to back Labor.
Labor 1.15, Coalition 6.00
Canberra TV (i.e. NSW regional TV) is showing plenty of Shooters ads and Labor ads featuring Minns. There seems to be a generic Nationals ad plus a very similar candidate specific ad (Nicole Overall for Monaro in our case who promises “to give 100 percent”). Perhaps every Nationals candidate has the same ad and they say the same thing?
Dave from Waggasays:
Friday, March 17, 2023 at 4:59 pm
I have it on good authority that Dr Joe McGirr will be returned in Wagga Wagga.
Lols.
The Nats and Libs are both standing.
Gonna stand outside Romano’s on Saturday night and watch them flog the bejesus out of each other.
Scores settled etc.
Silly people.
PS Thanks Daryl and Gladys xxoo
Adamsays:
Friday, March 17, 2023 at 5:26 pm
Interesting that Libs and Nats are both standing in Wagga Wagga.
What are the preference flows like between the two parties with OPV. Wouldn’t surprise me if the Greens to Labor preference flows were stronger than preferences between the two Coalition parties. The relatively low preference flows from Nats to Libs in the Vic state seat of Bass cost them that seat.
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Dave will be the Riverine club not Romano’s…myself I’d pull up a chair if it was outside the Union!
Adam, It is hard to tell in these parts. Long time since they squared off on a ballot paper. Thanks to Daryl holding the seat then the Libs being too embarrassed to run until this election (and even then getting a candidate at the last minute).
My main interest is if the demographic changes that are gathering momentum will start to turn votes (like similar regional areas have done across the country) towards progressive parties or if nice uncle Joe is still the safe haven for those who are blessed with perfect weather and don’t look closely at the state of their living circumstances compared to other electorates that get looked after better by their representatives.
If there is no opinion polling out over the weekend or on monday
Likely means the lib/nats combined primary vote is well under 40%, confirms NSW lib/nats will not be able to form any kind of government, there will be a change of government next saturday
Howdy bludgers:
It seems we’ve all been reading from the book of sportsbet over the last few days since they reinstated a NSW election market with odds for every seat no less!.
The more I look at them, the more i’m doubting any real live fluctuations based on the bets as they come in.
For instance, in Badgery’s creek Garion Thain, the 20 something son of former Penrith Mayor John has suddenly come in at 4/1 from well over 10-15/1. I hope he wins but historically its been a double digit safe Lib hold for many cycles. Its well known Davies not liked by many local rank and file Libs however that has never caused her election pains.
I’ve had a look at a few other seats and I can see a bit of a pattern in many low profile seats of SB giving the major party challenger unrealistically short odds in seats that are held by the opposing party in safe/very safe margins. I say SB is trying to entice more wagers being placed in more seats.
They also have Ayres as the rank outsider at $3.25 compared to Mckewon (ALP) $1.30. Many are unaware that she came close in 2019 during peak Gladys mania and Minister for Sports who was somehow able to ride off the coattails of the Panthers onfield winning ways. He suffered a 5% swing against him and a margin now of barely 1000 votes. While I think Labor are just ahead there its certainly not 1.30 certainly. The ghost of Husar still haunts Labor in Penrith and then following was the bungled 2022 Lindsay campaign that had Labor HQ giving up on the seat before writs were issued.
Away from cooked bettings odds, I was supirsed to see Gladys turn out in Penrith to publicly campaign for Ayres with Marise in tow. Was it a factional f you to the Perrott or a panicky reaction to concerning internal Lib tracking numbers?
The kiddies super hail mary for me had all the hallmarks of a very concerned government in its dying days of a long tenure. In many ways comparable to the Morrison super for home deposit scheme- imagine if he had won, the next few years would see tens of thousands of young workers have a major part of their super go up in smoke as they had all purchased at the same time to create more of a bubble that would soon burst in a sea of defaults and foreclosures.
With inflation running rampant globally and rolling interest rate hikes Perrott displays that tone deaf LNP dna of announcing a co-contribute scheme for the children of the wealthy who have no issues about finding hundreds a quarter per child to put away meanwhile the battlers are just struggling to pay bills and put food on the table. Sky News amazingly panned it in a rare break from their otherwise 24/7/ LNP fake news network.
I think he was counting on a favourable reception to his kiddies super rubbish but instead was provided with hastily generated survey numbers that screamed leadballon. Thus his surprise pivot to the North shore/beaches blue wall in what was no doubt a frustrating defensive maneuver forced upon the premier by the boffins when he’d rather had been out west or up and down the coast to sure up his teetering marginals.
The lack of a strong and uniform ‘its time factor’ combined with OPV are making it hard to make a confident prediction in relation to majority or minority that will be formed. If a Minns majority was firmly on the cards you’d expect to see or feel big movements towards them in seats like Tweed, Balmain, Upper Hunter etc and they all still appear relative 50/50 toss ups.
I think Minns has adapted well to the endless campaign pressers and hasn’ t been tripped up. I think he could have benefited greatly if he had got out and about a couple of months earlier. He looks more and more competent and across the briefs with each day and I think News ltd have given up on trying to trip him up or try and get nasty with him personally. He needs to go for the killer blow in the last week and forget his cordial rapport with the Premier. He has taken the high road on his policy of long term, structural reform of utilities and infrastructure- hopefully the electorate will acknowledge this and see past one off $200 vouchers.
The LNP in my book have all but given up on majority and will instead dedicate next week to seat by seat smear campaigns on Labor candidates in the deluded hope of doing enough to fragment the Labor gains to give them clout in minority negotiations with the cross bench.
The good old days of the cranky, right leaning maquarie st upper and lower cross benches will be relegated to the history books- save for Latham and maybe a new colleague in the council. I think the Nats will be forgiven and displace the shooters, CDP etc. I can see a left leaning pro climate , animal rights and cannabis legalisation broad collective ruling the upper house. IF teal inds also get up in the lower house Perrott won’t be in any position to secure minority- even if they get more seats than labor in the assembly.
So for me, I’m thinking a very slim Labor lower house majority or a Labor minority backed to the hilt by a progressive cross bench.
for added drama i can see a few suprises on the night:
South Coast and Kiama Labor gains,
The collapse of the North shore blue wall
The loss of Willougby to an ind
Labor to lose one of the south west pokie belt seats to an ind
Drummoyne to go down to the wire with a retro swing to Labor.
Also, you’ll see the coordinated smear campaign final week LNP offensive kicked off last night targeting Labor’s Karen McKweon in Penrith over some beat up regarding how she voted on a few issues on the council.
This is a high stakes gamble for the LNP who will no doubt return serve with added fire. Think the NY trades role, Jean Claude and the branch stacking, The Ward saga, ICAC, the great public utility sell off, a debt ridden treasury etc etc. Should be good watching from now on in
FWIW Mackerras is predicting a Labor minority. 43 seats
MelbourneMammothsays:
Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 8:29 am
FWIW Mackerras is predicting a Labor minority. 43 seats
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Mackerras predicted that Victorian Labor would would win 47 seats. They ended up with 56.