With the last open thread threatening to fall off the bottom page amid a thicket of Queensland and US-specific posts, here’s a refresher. Newspoll is having an off-week to avoid Queensland election static, although Essential Research should be along with its fortnightly attitudinal results tomorrow. All I have to relate other than that is:
• There has apparently been progress in the establishing of an Australian Polling Council, potentially meaning a new age of full disclosure by pollsters of their weights and breakdowns. Its members are YouGov, Essential Research, Ipsos, uComms, JWS Research, Lonergan Research and Telereach.
• The Australia Institute has published a report on attitudes to climate change that I’m a little too busy for right now, but you can find it here.
• Kos Samaras of RedBridge Group discusses polling conducted in September showing 57% of Melburnians think the state Liberal opposition has not “played a constructive role during this pandemic.
A reminder here for those saying the Greens are Little Libs.
Adam Bandt’s Press Club Speech was about how detrimental the neo liberal privatisation of public services has been.
There have been many Labor leaders prosecuting exactly the same agenda.
You all need to embrace reality not your fantasy.
“I knew I shouldn’t have eaten the LV-426 burger last night.”
Oh FGS!
Firefox @ #84 Monday, November 2nd, 2020 – 10:05 am
I must admit I find it difficult to understand why the Labor partisans here are so unhinged at the moment. They just won an impressive victory in Queensland, and the Green vote fell (albeit not much).
Ok, the Greens won two seats, one of which was off Labor, but honestly – you’d think the Greens were baby eaters the way the Labor hacks here are carrying on at the moment. Far worse even than usual.
Can anyone explain it?
Kronomex
Trump plays the clown to disguise the sinister piece of shit he really is.
One dangerous sadistic excuse for a human being. He knows how many more people are going to die in next few months from COVID in the USA.
I would argue it is a feature not a bug for the likes of this disgusting creature.
Lizzie
Dr Morris is making a joke regarding the conduct of the newscorpse stable.
It is impossible to take any of them seriously. They are cheerleading Trump all the way, whist expecting us to be disgusted with the efforts of the vic govt.
They are beyond redemption.
I occasionally switch over momentarily to sky news and fox channel to see what they are reporting. It is truly a parallel universe.
The Part I will never understand is how many people are so brainwashed by what they have to say. It is terribly disturbing to say the least.
Another reminder of why calling the Greens Bourgeoisie with no care for workers is BS.
They want to raise taxes to pay for government services. They believe in the common good.
That’s not the professed follow Reagan and Thatcher outlook of the LNP.
So you guys can stop your BS that the Greens are for getting the right into power.
Player One says:
Monday, November 2, 2020 at 10:22 am
Firefox @ #84 Monday, November 2nd, 2020 – 10:05 am
The only unhinged are greens who are determined to wipe out Labor Party
That’s why they are bashing of the unseating of Jackie.
It’s quite simple, I think. Track and trace can only succeed when there are quite low levels of community infections. To get to that place from rampant infection rates and caseload, lockdowns and other blanket preventive action must be taken in advance.
Good luck UK and US.
I note that in Albo’s ‘wide ranging interview’ he gives his reasons for not naming specific amounts for new newstart, etc., most of which seem logical.
However, his defence of daytime SkyTV as having “good journos” might be questionable.
I am a little nervous about the US election. I am expecting a landslide to the dems and them taking the senate and retaining the house. Anything less will be a nightmare for us all,
Socrates, you are right to point out that Labor hoovered up quite a few of the One Nation crumbs as a result of their continued lurch to the right. Not sure that’s really something to be proud of, though.
Apart from the huge support we gained in our two seats, there are now quite a number of other seats that weren’t close before the election but are now on the verge of going Green.
Take Cooper for example:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/qld/2020/guide/coop/
Just look at the decline in support for the parties of the establishment and the huge surge in the Greens’ primary. 10%!! That’s a truly massive swing!!
Lizzie
Sky daytime is still okay. It is the Late afternoon and evening when it gets putrid,
Victoria
For me, whoever “wins” there will be riots. Nervous doesn’t cut it.
Ashby claims that ON’s vote crashed in Queensland as a result of a lack of media exposure. That’s not true: Hanson’s a regular guest on Sky News After Dark. And weren’t they shocked to find their favoured candidate – Frecklington – get a shellacking on Saturday, poor windbag Murray going into a deep depression, coming to the sad realisation that Sky and the Murdoch tabloids failed miserably to get their candidate up. What’s more, they’ll become even more depressed on Wednesday when their pin-up boy is trumped by uncle Joe Biden.
Lizzie
Trump is the leader of a cult. They are brainwashed buffoons. It is a real worry.
guytaur says:
Monday, November 2, 2020 at 10:30 am
Another reminder of why calling the Greens Bourgeoisie with no care for workers.
They want to raise taxes to pay for government services. They believe in the common good.
That’s not the professed follow Reagan and Thatcher outlook of the LNP.
So you guys can stop your BS that the Greens are for getting the right into power.
Get used to it, g. Grow philosophical about it. The Greens are Labor-phobic. They have always been thus and now they have the joy of representing electorates packed with Labor-phobic voters. They chose this long ago and now they have fulfilled their dreams.
Those devils, the LNP, will marshal more votes for the Greens as a way of undermining Labor. They want the Greens. They can have them as far as I’m concerned.
Kevin Rudd was asked some questions by the Daily ToiletPaper, here are his answers…
‘Here are the questions Murdoch put to my office last night, and the answers that were sent back.
The idea that US Ambassador Max Baucus needed Hunter Biden (or anyone else) to obtain “access” to me is absurd— Max and I have known each other since well before he started that job.
‘One example. The Greens have wanted more public housing than Labor.’
As long as it’s nowhere close to where they actually live.
Brings down the property prices, you know.
I wonder if, in the coming weeks and more likely months, the SAD crew will do relentless bagging of Boris Johnson in the UK for causing the UK economy to go into a tailspin?
Briefly
No matter how many times you repeat your fantasies is just that fantasy.
You may hate it but the Greens are factually a left wing progressive party.
They are no “front” or fifth column for the LNP.
They are just a progressive party in their own right.
I think we need a thread titled “things other than Labor/Green wars”.
About Rudy Giuliani. Who lies down on a bed to tuck their shirt in!?!
Guytaur now admitting an alliance with LNP, we have made progress.
LNP “are progressives”…. but Labor are not ? Labor just faction right wing?
Zerlo
You fantasise about what I said.
All in denial of the fact Labor is whining.
Jacinda Ardern has made the whining crystal clear.
With a clear landslide majority she is having Greens Ministers in her government.
The contrast with Australian Labor is stark.
Guytaur she won because of decisive action during pandemic and NZ local economy.
She also won because there is no Murdoch in NZ.
The contrast between NZ Greens and Australian Greens is even starker.
Zerlo
Read my post again. The contrast with Australian Labor is stark and reveals the whining for what it is.
With an indecent history like he has, who converted Trump to a pretence of Christianity? 😆
Sky News is just a far right vaudeville with a bunch of side show alley clowns ranting and raving and getting their rocks off with bizarre anti Labor diatribes. It can’t be good for one’s health to be behaving this way day in day out. Is this the sort of undignified lowbrow three stooges style nonsense Murdoch appreciates?Many former Newscorp journalists have nothing but contempt for their former employers. I can’t understand why Albanese doesn’t take a harder line. From up here in Q. it seems they are a disgusting bunch but maybe in the small media pond of Sydney everybody knows everybody else and albo thinks they are not so bad. I’ve also heard Murdoch has cut off Trump in the US, Murdoch thinks he can’t win. It seems some of Trump’s greatest sycophants at Fox News are softening the coverage on Biden to keep the oldmate happy.
Guytaur Australian Labor is not in power. You can not compare the two.
If they were they would see similar victory in ACT, NZ, Qld.
Liberal Party who you got preference from in South Brisbane are in power and are like Trump
You sided with someone who are evil
https://www.government.nl/topics/senior-public-sector-pay/top-public-and-semi-public-sector-incomes
… after the GFC, I think, the government of Holland implemented remuneration caps for the public and semi-public sectors, let’s see if $houty (or Albo) will in New Holland.
On Brexit, I can’t help but feel that most of the UK still think of Brexit in terms of vaudevillian entertainment.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/01/uk-will-not-import-chlorinated-chicken-from-us-ministers-brexit
And “Yes Minister” continues to be prophetic.
So guytaur is trying to wash the blue blood of the Liberals/LNP off his hands like Lady Macbeth? 😆
Zerlo
Labor won a majority in the Queensland election. They too could show leadership by having a Green Minister just like Ardern and ACT Labor.
It won’t happen. Labor is too scared of the LNP and Murdoch.
Guytaur nobody cares about that. It’s petty politics during a International crises one that effects not just health but jobs.
But you siding with LNP gives you what sort of special treatment by getting their preferences?
Will they get a LNP Minister in a Green Government.
Just to be provocative, if we accept that NZ Labor did not need to form a governing coalition with a minor party, but did so anyway, would it not make sense for Labor in Qld to reach out to KAP, rather than The Greens?
Zerlo
You are the one siding with the LNP and Murdoch.
You said it yourself.
New Zealand does not have a Murdoch press. That’s an admission you are scared of Murdoch.
This isn’t the first time Greens giving LNP a leg up over Labor and certainly won’t be the last.
Why should greens have someone represented in a Labor Government after the way they treated Labor?
guytaur says:
Monday, November 2, 2020 at 11:06 am
You are the one siding with the LNP and Murdoch
LNP and Greens taking seats from Labor – Labor didn’t take seats from Greens.
Another lie by Green donkeys.
Oh Labor not afraid, Keven Rudd has biggest petitions to do something about that very issue.
Unlike Green donkeys who continue to spat on labor trying to bully them into a Coalition.
Bye Zerlo
Your fantasy world must be entertaining
lizzie @ #142 Monday, November 2nd, 2020 – 11:07 am
Yep.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11/01/us/trump-biden-election#trumps-supporters-block-traffic-on-major-roadways-in-new-york-and-new-jersey
Yes run away from argument that you started….
Greens like it when they dish it out to others but don’t accept criticism when they know they are WRONG.
So they run away under the bed of LNP.