Miscellany: Groom by-election, Victoria poll, perceptions of US

A by-election looms in an uncompetitive seat; a poll shows Labor maintaining a lead in Victoria in spite of everything; and regard for the United States and its President falls still further.

First up, note the new-ish posts below on a YouGov poll for South Australia and Adrian Beaumont’s latest on the US race.

• A federal by-election looms for the seat of the Queensland Groom, centred on Toowoomba. This follows yesterday’s announcement by Liberal-aligned LNP member John McVeigh, the member since 2016 and previously state member for Toowoomba South from 2012,. that he will retire due to his wife’s illness. With Labor having polled 18.7% of the primary vote in the seat at the 2019 election, it seems a fairly safe bet that they will be sitting this one out. To the extent that the seat has been interesting it has been as a battleground between the Liberals and the Nationals, most recently when McVeigh’s predecessor, Ian Macfarlane, had his bid to defect from the former to the latter blocked by the Liberal National Party administration in 2015. John McVeigh’s father, Tom McVeigh, held the seat for the National/Country Party from 1972 to 1988 (it was known until 1984 as Darling Downs), but it passed to the Liberal control at the by-election following his retirement.

• Roy Morgan has an SMS poll of state voting intention in Victoria, and while the methodology may be dubious, it delivers a rebuke to the news media orthodoxy in crediting Daniel Andrews’ Labor government with a two-party lead of 51.5-48.5. The primary votes are Labor 37%, Coalition 38.5% and Greens 12.5%. The results at the 2018 election were Labor 42.9%, Coalition 35.2% and Greens 10.7%, with Labor winning the two-party vote 57.3-42.7. The poll was conducted Tuesday to Thursday from a sample of 1147.

• An international poll by the Pew Research Centre finds 94% of Australians believe their country has handled the pandemic well and 6% badly, whereas 85% think the United States has handled it badly and 14% well, while the respective numbers for China are 25% and 73%. Twenty-three per cent have confidence in Donald Trump to do the right think for world affairs, down from 35% last year, equaling a previous low recorded for George W. Bush in 2008. Only 33% of Australians have a favourable view of the United States, down from 50% last year, a change similar to that for all other nations surveyed.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  1. Good morning Dawn Patrollers

    According to David Crowe, the states will be encouraged to spend money as fast as possible to revive the economy in a federal budget plan to build on more than $54 billion in wage subsidies paid in just four months.
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    Sean Kelly accuses both Morrison and Albanese of cowardice when it comes to the subject of climate change.
    https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/cowardice-what-morrison-and-albanese-have-in-common-on-climate-20200918-p55wxu.html
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    Elizabeth Farrelly writes an open letter to John Barilaro with some good advice in it.
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    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/two-people-in-casey-cluster-in-hospital-as-visiting-breaches-revealed-20200918-p55x34.html
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    Peter van Onselen looks at how well equipped the Coalition is to move out of the effects of the pandemic.
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    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2020/09/19/confidential-document-reveals-healthcare-outbreaks/160043760010434
    Adele Ferguson outlines a fiery speech made under parliamentary privilege by Greens MP Davis Shoebridge in which he rattled off a list of controversial contracts and behaviours and named Vivek Bhatia when he was inaugural chief executive of icare from 2015 to January 2018. This saga gets worse and worse by the day.
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/link-drawn-into-icare-drama-as-new-ceo-takes-reins-20200918-p55x2i.html
    Michelle Grattan says that it’s a small church that sings the gas gospel and she points to the Coalition’s hypocrisy.
    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6931688/its-a-small-church-that-sings-the-gas-gospel/?cs=14350&utm_source=website&utm_medium=home&utm_campaign=latestnews
    Paul Kelly thinks that Morrison faces a litany of obstacles in implementing his new gas policy.
    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/coalition-steps-on-the-gas-ahead-of-a-covidrecovery-budget/news-story/155f35d69d636a3af19f66dfc1f00be8
    Laura Tingle writes that Scott Morrison and Angus Taylor have swooped in with plans that have managed to scare the power industry and the environmentalists at the same time. She says they have the wrong answer for an energy crisis that does not exist.
    https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/the-wrong-answer-for-an-energy-crisis-that-does-not-exist-20200918-p55wvx
    While the prime minister’s newly announced gas funding is politically useful – soothing the Coalition backbench and wedging Labor – it will imperil Australia’s climate targets, says Mike Seccombe.
    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2020/09/19/gas-plan-locks-decades-high-emissions-experts-warn/160043760010436
    Premier Steven Marshall’s handling of the COVID crisis has dramatically boosted his own political fortunes, as the Liberals wrestle back a dominant election-winning 53/47 poll lead om SA.
    https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/advertiseryougov-poll-premier-steven-marshall-surges-as-preferred-leader-libs-take-the-lead-as-sa-crushes-the-covid-curve/news-story/053060a0a1ce2c9c035bf375a75bfc8e
    Jennifer Duke writes that Assistant Minister for Superannuation Jane Hume says industry superannuation funds need to remember their role isn’t to create jobs or push the climate debate. Not a very nice lady, this one.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/not-your-job-superannuation-minister-says-super-funds-forget-their-role-20200918-p55wyd.html
    Meanwhile Macquarie Group’s CEO Shemara Wikramanayake says cash-strapped governments will need private capital to fund new public infrastructure essential to stimulate their COVID-hit economies.
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    Daniel Hurst reports that the Morrison government is coming under pressure to contain a blowout in processing times for citizenship applications, with the delays overshadowing the Coalition’s proposed revamp of the test to uphold Australian values.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/sep/18/unacceptable-blowout-in-wait-times-for-australian-citizenship-causing-distress
    New legislation affecting the roles of migration agents is a step backwards for industry professionals and will lower standards, writes Murray Hunter.
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/thousands-of-registered-migration-agents-to-lose-accreditation-with-new-legislation,14322
    Chip Le Grand explains how police have joined forces with Nicola Gobbo to savage the approach taken by the royal commission investigating the state’s worst legal scandal. They have accused the counsel assisting of a “flagrant breach of constitutional fairness”.
    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/police-gobbo-accuse-royal-commission-of-flagrant-breach-20200918-p55x4w.html
    Dana McCauley explains how a nationally consistent approach to contact tracing based on the success of NSW will be rolled out across Australia.
    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/national-contact-tracing-system-aims-to-prevent-future-covid-19-spread-20200918-p55x0t.html
    As more than 25,000 Australians wait for the chance to return home, at least one legal expert says the travel restrictions may breach the constitutional rights of citizens, explains Karen Middleton.
    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2020/09/19/australians-stranded-overseas/160043760010443
    “Since when did old people’s lives become worthless?”, asks Sue Green.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/since-when-did-old-people-s-lives-become-worth-less-20200918-p55wy5.html
    Josh Taylor reports on the inquiry hearing tha the infection-control issues at two Melbourne quarantine hotels that ultimately led to Victoria’s second wave of Covid-19 cases could have been foreseen with an “appropriate” focus on health.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/sep/18/melbourne-hotel-quarantine-failures-could-have-been-foreseen-inquiry-hears
    The editorial in The Age says that collective will is vital for Victoria’s long road back to revival.
    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/collective-will-is-vital-for-victoria-s-revival-20200918-p55ww1.html
    With imports restricted as international borders closed, the coronavirus pandemic exposed Australia’s inability to manufacture what it needs, prompting an urgent debate about how the country can improve its economic security, writes Margaret Simons.
    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/economy/2020/09/19/moves-build-economic-security/160043760010447
    Bruce Newton tells us that the PM has been rated a dismal failure by electric vehicle advocates.
    https://thenewdaily.com.au/life/auto/2020/09/18/scott-morrison-electric-cars/
    Julia Baird writes about an insidious form of domestic abuse – controlling behaviour.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/the-most-dangerous-form-of-domestic-abuse-is-not-a-crime-in-nsw-but-momentum-is-building-for-change-20200918-p55wxr.html
    Tom Switzer reckons the good times with China are over and we should get used to it.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/the-good-times-with-china-are-over-get-used-to-it-20200917-p55wqs.html
    A series of streets and laneways in Sydney’s CBD will be closed to traffic while main streets will have roadside parking spaces converted into al fresco dining spots under a plan to save the city’s hospitality industry.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/streets-laneways-and-parking-spots-city-s-plan-to-turn-venues-inside-out-20200918-p55wxv.html
    Newswire service Australian Associated Press has been handed a $5 million lifeline, as the federal government says its existence is vital for maintaining regional news and media diversity.
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/government-hands-aap-5-million-lifeline-20200918-p55wyy.html
    The SMH editorial does not hold back in saying that Angus Taylor’s gas plan deepens policy uncertainty.
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/angus-taylor-s-gas-plan-deepens-policy-uncertainty-20200918-p55x3l.html
    Amanda Meade looks at this week’s article by Chris Uhlmann that created quite some ire.
    https://www.theguardian.com/media/commentisfree/2020/sep/18/chris-uhlmanns-damnation-of-daniel-andrews-delayed-at-the-age
    Kate McClymont tells us that yesterday the court heard that the Obeid family was working overtime on a secret deal to have associates purchase two neighbouring properties in the Bylong Valley before it was made public that the area had been selected for the creation of a coalmining tenement.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/obeid-family-lawyer-details-secret-deal-to-secure-farms-20200918-p55x07.html
    Unless and until a safe, effective and long-lasting vaccine is developed, manufactured, distributed and given to a very large proportion of the population, our society and economy are going to remain restricted and diminished, writes Shaun Carney.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/six-months-in-we-owe-it-to-ourselves-to-face-some-challenging-truths-20200918-p55wyt.html
    The COVID-19 pandemic has shown that something as microscopic as a virus is enough to weaken our strongest city technology, writes Dr Peter Fisher.
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/battle-of-scales-our-cbds-are-no-match-for-a-micrometre-invader,14323
    Madonna King says that eating disorders are a sinister health challenge we need to talk about.
    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2020/09/18/madonna-king-eating-disorders-are-a-sinister-health-challenge-we-need-to-talk-about/
    A delightful contribution from Jacqui Taffel who wonders why people can’t bring themselves to say that somebody had died but use euphemisms instead.
    https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/life-and-relationships/please-no-more-euphemisms-my-mother-died-20200820-p55nmn.html
    Latika Bourke reports that Amal Clooney has quit as a special envoy for the United Kingdom on media freedom over the British government’s threat to renege on the Brexit deal it signed with the European Union less than 12 months ago.
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/amal-clooney-quits-uk-envoy-role-over-lamentable-international-law-breach-20200919-p55x61.html
    Boris Johnson has just said that it was inevitable that the country would see a second wave of coronavirus and that while he did not want a second national lockdown, the government may need to introduce new restrictions.
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/england-mulls-new-national-lockdown-as-european-covid-19-cases-soar-20200919-p55x65.html
    The Bank of England has taken another step towards negative rates amid rising COVID infections and a looming unemployment crisis.
    https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/the-uk-moves-closer-to-negative-interest-rates-20200918-p55wta.html
    Radical Republicans rammed the Trump tax law through Congress without a single hearing or Democratic vote. And the results, which you won’t see in major news organisations, are in. The rich made out like bandits and the rest got three-fifths of bugger all, writes David Cay Johnston.
    https://www.michaelwest.com.au/ugly-numbers-of-trumps-tax-cuts-serve-a-warning-for-scott-morrison/
    On the current balance of probabilities, Joe Biden will win the November 3 US presidential election. We need to address the implications of this for Australia’s foreign relations, writes John McCarthy.
    https://www.afr.com/world/north-america/why-joe-biden-will-need-australia-20200918-p55wvu
    Julie Szego has an entertaining contribution about the US presidential election in which she says, “The playing field is not level. To win, Biden must outsmart an opponent whose weapon is bone-headedness.”
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/trump-s-attacks-on-biden-s-competency-lead-into-strange-territory-20200918-p55wx4.html
    In an extract from his new book Rage, award-winning journalist Bob Woodward lights a fuse beneath the US president.
    https://www.afr.com/world/north-america/the-wrong-man-for-the-job-why-trump-is-political-dynamite-20200917-p55wjo
    Trump says he plans to establish a commission to promote “patriotic education” in the United States, taking issue with efforts to highlight the country’s history of slavery and racism. I didn’t think it would be possible to make them more insular and ignorant!
    https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/trump-promotes-patriotic-education-in-appeal-to-conservative-base-20200918-p55x3m.html
    Emma Brockes wonders if Trump is, finally, managing to repel even his own supporters.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/18/trump-supporters-pandemic-wildfires-wind

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  2. The Lincoln Project@ProjectLincoln

    American Civil War. 5 yrs.
    655,000 deaths.
    449/day

    World War II. 5 yrs.
    405,000 deaths.
    297/day

    World War I. 2 yrs.
    117,000 deaths.
    200/day

    Korean War. 4 yrs.
    37,000 deaths.
    30/day

    Covid-19. 195 days.
    195,000 deaths
    ~1000/day

    Trump: a surrendered War Time president.

  3. Thanks BK.

    This reminds me of the Ramsey, Western Civilisation degree.

    Trump says he plans to establish a commission to promote “patriotic education” in the United States, taking issue with efforts to highlight the country’s history of slavery and racism. I didn’t think it would be possible to make them more insular and ignorant!
    https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/trump-promotes-patriotic-education-in-appeal-to-conservative-base-20200918-p55x3m.html

  4. How will or will this influence Chinese voters in the US?

    The Trump administration said it is banning China’s TikTok and WeChat from mobile app stores beginning late Sunday in an unprecedented move that further unravels the United States’s quickly deteriorating relationship with China.

    The White House will take additional action to curb WeChat’s use beginning Sunday and will give TikTok until Nov. 12 before further limitations kick in.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/09/18/tiktok-wechat-ban-trump/

  5. Freaking hell the Morrison government is corrupt down to its bootlaces:

    At a press conference today, Labor leader Anthony Albanese said it had been “seven years of lots of announcements but far less delivery. Lots of photo-ops but no follow-up … This is a government that is characterised by spin and marketing rather than substance and a vision for the nation.” He then ripped into the government over the ABC’s revelation that the Sydney campus of New York University, with annual revenue of more than $16 billion, has received JobKeeper payments, even though Australian public universities were deliberately excluded from the scheme and job losses in the sector are now approaching 11,000. “This is rolled-gold hypocrisy,” Albanese said. The PM was not asked about that this afternoon.

    https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/paddy-manning/2020/18/2020/1600408228/covid-waffle

    The condemnation of Morrison by Albanese probably won’t be enough to satisfy mundo or south though. 😐

  6. Confessions @ #5 Saturday, September 19th, 2020 – 6:59 am

    How will or will this influence Chinese voters in the US?

    The Trump administration said it is banning China’s TikTok and WeChat from mobile app stores beginning late Sunday in an unprecedented move that further unravels the United States’s quickly deteriorating relationship with China.

    The White House will take additional action to curb WeChat’s use beginning Sunday and will give TikTok until Nov. 12 before further limitations kick in.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/09/18/tiktok-wechat-ban-trump/

    He’s a racist and a race-baiter.

  7. C@t:

    I was wondering whether politicians were using WeChat to connect with Chinese voters? I recall Rudd was on WeChat when he was in office.

  8. C@tmommasays: Saturday, September 19, 2020 at 7:15 am

    Confessions @ #5 Saturday, September 19th, 2020 – 6:59 am

    How will or will this influence Chinese voters in the US?

    He’s a racist and a race-baiter.

    **************************************************************

  9. Murphy with a very salient point for some commentators here.

    To be clear: the only person talking about the moral dimensions of emissions was the prime minister, because that language suits his framing. Granted, some environmentalists (and Kevin Rudd) have made it easier for the Coalition since the Abbott era to polarise the country on this issue by characterising climate change action in the language of religion rather than science – “great moral challenges” and all that. People need to understand if they keep doing that they are eroding their own fact-case and setting back the cause of climate action – but let’s not digress.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/sep/19/morrison-says-youre-either-for-gas-or-against-it-of-course-its-not-as-simple-as-that

  10. Confessions @ #8 Saturday, September 19th, 2020 – 7:29 am

    Emails from a former top Trump health official and his science adviser show how the two refused to accept Centers for Disease Control and Prevention science and sought to silence the agency.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/18/us/politics/trump-cdc-coronavirus.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

    Didn’t something similar happen here with the Morrison govt and CSIRO?

    Abbott started it and then a story in the last week said that CSIRO scientists have been silenced and cannot talk about Climate Change.

  11. Jennifer Rubin, after the Trump Town Hall and before the Debates:

    Imagine how much worse it will be for Trump when he has a prepared opponent willing to deliver a tongue-lashing for such silly lies and excuses. Biden could ask when we can finally expect Trump’s magic health-care plan and demand he bring it to the next debate. Biden could laugh and roll his eyes when Trump blames him for not assuming the duties of president (“C’mon, man — you are president, not me!”). We saw in Trump’s devastating interview with Axios’s Jonathan Swan that Trump short-circuits whenever confronted with a new piece of information outside his limited frame of reference. When he tosses up another word salad, Biden surely can say, “You just talked for a minute and said nothing. Answer the question.” There might be less fact-checking, but the Biden team can put out a split-screen version of the debate with a rolling fact check. More important, the Biden team stands to receive a bountiful gift of soundbites for its next round of ads.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/09/16/trump-shouldnt-have-brought-up-mental-acuity-his-disastrous-town-hall/

  12. Former AFL star Gary Ablett Snr has posted a rambling 27 minute conspiracy-laden video talking about how COVID-19 was created by the Illuminati to crash the global economy.

    I know this was discussed briefly last night, but I often think that there are few sportspeople with more than two brain cells to rub together, even before the head knocks. Look at the number of footy players who have broken Corvid rules and expect to be forgiven if they say, “oops, sorry!”.

  13. The question is, why carry the dead wood at all? The establishment would have been far better off picking Harris as the actual nominee instead. She’s not perfect but at least she isn’t responsible for up to two and a half million deaths.

  14. Barney:

    That’s why I always use the phrase ‘scientific reality of global warming’. I don’t really care for language about moral challenges or whatever and never have.

  15. lizzie @ #17 Saturday, September 19th, 2020 – 5:58 am

    Former AFL star Gary Ablett Snr has posted a rambling 27 minute conspiracy-laden video talking about how COVID-19 was created by the Illuminati to crash the global economy.

    I know this was discussed briefly last night, but I often think that there are few sportspeople with more than two brain cells to rub together, even before the head knocks. Look at the number of footy players who have broken Corvid rules and expect to be forgiven if they say, “oops, sorry!”.

    Yep, and many of them have focused on their chosen sport from a very young age often to the detriment of their education.

    I have a close friend who played Aussie Rules at the highest level and have met many other players, few of whom I’d have much time for in any other environment.

  16. ‘Granted, some environmentalists (and Kevin Rudd) have made it easier for the Coalition since the Abbott era to polarise the country on this issue by characterising climate change action in the language of religion rather than science – “great moral challenges” and all that…’

    Sorry, what?

    The implication here seems to be that morals are only things what exist inside religions; that something can’t be both supported by the science and ethical; that ethics and science are separate and should not be combined.

    I’m also not sure how it connects to her apparent argument. I think she’s saying that using ‘religious’ language ‘allowed’ Abbott et al to make it a religious issue, or at least an emotive one.

    Abbott was going to do that anyway.

    What really made it easier for the Coalition was the lack of opposition from the media to their ideas about climate change.

    I’m still blown away when I watch the BBC news bulletins, where the stories unequivocally state that climate change is the cause of the bushfires in California and Russia. The Australian media would be throwing to Jim Murphy who runs an obscure blog cast for ‘balance’ on that one.

    I’ve seen BBC interviewers basically shut someone down when they try and argue climate change isn’t a thing.

    If the ABC did that to an interviewee, there’d be Senate investigations into their denial of free speech, the interviewer would mysteriously disappear from the airwaves, and the msm would be leading the charge.

  17. Barney

    It says a lot about Australian values (‘ave another beer, Scotty, and here’s a free ticket to the footy) that great efforts have been made to ensure that sports continue, while other entertainers have suffered.

  18. zoomster @ #22 Saturday, September 19th, 2020 – 6:15 am

    ‘Granted, some environmentalists (and Kevin Rudd) have made it easier for the Coalition since the Abbott era to polarise the country on this issue by characterising climate change action in the language of religion rather than science – “great moral challenges” and all that…’

    Sorry, what?

    The implication here seems to be that morals are only things what exist inside religions; that something can’t be both supported by the science and ethical; that ethics and science are separate and should not be combined.

    No, I don’t believe she’s saying that, it’s more that when you start parcelling it in that way the debate moves away from the actual science and those opposed have a much easier time dealing with it because they can ignore the science.

  19. Barney

    Take your word for it, but the religious language was being used by the Right, particularly on environmental matters, long before Rudd came along (and indeed, long before climate change became mainstream).

    Of course, what’s been happening is the differation game. If both sides of politics are guided by the experts/science, then the differences between them become wafer thin – it’s just different ways of doing the same thing.

    So if you want people to vote for you rather than the other guy, you have to find another point of difference.

    In the Right’s case, this has meant a gradual move away from listening to the experts.

    For some sections of the media, who have seen ‘balance’ and ‘finding an angle’ as more important that reporting facts, this was actually encouraged instead of called out.

    After all, if your job is ‘let’s take this expert and make them look foolish because that’s a better story’ then you don’t object when you see politicians using the same tactic.

  20. lizzie @ #25 Saturday, September 19th, 2020 – 6:22 am

    Barney

    It says a lot about Australian values (‘ave another beer, Scotty, and here’s a free ticket to the footy) that great efforts have been made to ensure that sports continue, while other entertainers have suffered.

    I love my sport and I believe sport does hold an important place in Australian culture, but just because you have an ability to play a sport better than the average person, it doesn’t mean you are automatically a wonderful human being.

  21. Joan Evatt @Boeufblogginon
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    The categories excluded from Jobkeeper were so carefully chosen. It was one of the most mean-spirited and cynical exercises by a Govt to exclude the maximum number of workers and employees from any kind of Govt assistance during a disaster.

  22. “It says a lot about Australian values (‘ave another beer, Scotty, and here’s a free ticket to the footy) that great efforts have been made to ensure that sports continue, while other entertainers have suffered.”

    ***

    If it’s ok to have socially distanced crowds at the footy then why isn’t it ok to have socially distanced peaceful protests?

  23. zoomster @ #28 Saturday, September 19th, 2020 – 6:40 am

    Barney

    Take your word for it, but the religious language was being used by the Right, particularly on environmental matters, long before Rudd came along (and indeed, long before climate change became mainstream).

    Of course, what’s been happening is the differation game. If both sides of politics are guided by the experts/science, then the differences between them become wafer thin – it’s just different ways of doing the same thing.

    So if you want people to vote for you rather than the other guy, you have to find another point of difference.

    In the Right’s case, this has meant a gradual move away from listening to the experts.

    For some sections of the media, who have seen ‘balance’ and ‘finding an angle’ as more important that reporting facts, this was actually encouraged instead of called out.

    After all, if your job is ‘let’s take this expert and make them look foolish because that’s a better story’ then you don’t object when you see politicians using the same tactic.

    Yep, but it’s not a chicken or egg argument.

    Murphy talks about the politics behind the Libs position and raises some of your points.

    Rudd hurt himself with the “great moral challenge of out time,” comment when he stepped back from it.

    People were left wondering if it really was that serious and important.

  24. ‘Rudd hurt himself with the “great moral challenge of out time,” comment when he stepped back from it.’

    No argument from me there!!

  25. Well good news in a way.
    Well the 7:45 am News was still broadcast this morning. I tried to confirm the story it was gone yesterday afternoon, but could find no information either way. I suspect it will go at Christmas when they make changes.

  26. Victoria making good steady progress.

    ABC Melbourne
    @abcmelbourne
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    3m
    #BREAKING: Victoria has recorded 21 new cases of coronavirus and a further seven deaths overnight.

    Metropolitan Melbourne’s 14 day case average is now 39.3.

  27. Victoria records 21 new coronavirus cases, seven more deaths

    Victoria has recorded 21 new coronavirus cases as anti-lockdown protesters threaten to stage weekend rallies “like nothing you’ve ever seen before”.

    The average daily case number for metropolitan Melbourne has dropped to 39.3, meaning the city is on track to a scheduled easing of restrictions.

    Metropolitan Melbourne must reach an average daily case rate of between 30 and 50 cases over the preceding fortnight to trigger an easing of lockdown measures from September 28.

    The daily average in regional Victoria is 1.9.

    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/victoria-records-21-new-coronavirus-cases-seven-more-deaths/news-story/b34aa82090cb40e5c251945db4aee2cc

  28. 1 of 4
    This Aqua satellite image taken Friday, Sept. 18, 2020 and provided by NASA, shows subtropical storm Alpha in the eastern North Atlantic Ocean near Portugal’s coast. The Atlantic’s record-breaking “crazy” hurricane season got a bizarre European remake Friday as forecasters ran out of traditional names and trotted out the Greek alphabet for subtropical storm Alpha. And it was misplaced geographically, bearing down on Portugal.

    The Atlantic’s record-breaking “crazy” hurricane season got a bizarre European remake Friday as forecasters ran out of traditional names and trotted out the Greek alphabet for subtropical storm Alpha. And the geographically misplaced storm promptly sloshed ashore in Portugal.

    But wait there’s more. The busy Atlantic is beta testing the Greek alphabet as Beta formed late Friday afternoon.

    This is only the second time National Hurricane Center forecasters have had to pull out the Greek alphabet for names, with the last time being 2005. Tropical Storm Wilfred, the last of traditional names, officially formed little more than an hour before Alpha, prompting the hurricane center to tweet “get out the Greek alphabet.”

    And they quickly had to use it again, when a tropical depression in the western Gulf of Mexico became Tropical Storm Beta. That’s three storms forming in about six hours.

    “It’s crazy,” said University of Miami hurricane researcher Brian McNoldy. “This is just off the charts., We’ve made a joke of breaking records.”

    Wilfred, Alpha and Beta set records for earliest 21st, 22nd and 23rd named Atlantic storms, beating 2005 by a few weeks.

    Alpha is odd in another way. It’s misplaced into an area where storms don’t generally brew. That’s so unusual that Alpha barely shows up on the hurricane center’s real time storm tracking map, which is focused on the Americas. Only the “Al” of its Greek name shows and it was expected to dissipate in less than a day.

    But Alpha fits with the rest of this season in another way. About half of the storms this busy hurricane season have only lasted a few days and have been quite weak, McNoldy said. Vicky for example popped up quickly and soon dissipated without much notice. And with 22 storms only two of them — Laura and Teddy, which is still swirling — reached major hurricane status, which is also kind of unusual, McNoldy said.

  29. Morning all. Thanks BK. I can but agree with the news assessments: Australia is once again the Lucky Country, in that it is a place with fortunate circumstances, led by mediocre (male) leaders. That applies to the Liberal and Labor leadership this week. The latter and their supporters understandably wish to turn attention to the many other areas of government corruption. BUt I think Mike Seccombe sums it up well.

    “Says Bandt: “Joel Fitzgibbon is not some rogue backbencher. He is Albanese’s hand-picked Resources spokesman. And he is saying that this [Liddell plan] was in fact Labor’s idea to begin with and Scott Morrison should have got on with it quicker.

    “If Anthony Albanese tries to walk both sides of the fence on gas he will potentially suffer the same fate that Bill Shorten did for trying to do the same with Adani.”

    He further notes that fossil-fuel interests have given more than $9.3 million to the major parties during the past eight years, and that donations from gas interests were almost evenly split.

    “This is an object lesson in the power of big corporations over politicians,” he says.

    Bandt’s analysis may be self-serving – the Greens benefit if Labor is riven over climate – but it is also right.”
    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2020/09/19/gas-plan-locks-decades-high-emissions-experts-warn/160043760010436

  30. The other tragedy about Scomo’s gas policy-lie and Albo’s meek acceptance of it is that feasible and affordable solutions to climate change do now exist, if we had a political leadership willing to grasp them. Micro EV city cars are now being offered for sale in China ($7000AUS!!) and France ($11,000 AUS). Either could hit the road in Australia for under $20K, or even be manufactured here. But no, we will build gas pipelines and oil tanks instead.

    China – Wuling Mini EV – 50,000 sold in the first month.
    https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/07/20200725-wuling.html

    France – Citroen Ami – on sale for 6000 Euro ($11,000 AUS)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSDE_d6IUVA

  31. Looking at US polls hopefully Biden will win, show leadership on climate change, and our class of ethically-challenged political donkeys will follow in their shadow as always.

    Have a good day all.

  32. Morning all

    Lots of reading today. Thanks BK!!

    Meanwhile I’ve seen some of the rant by Gary ablett senior on YouTube.
    He was a great footballer. But as a human being he hasnt been right for decades.
    From recollection he became a born again Christian.
    Some may recall the time he left a young girl to overdose and die whilst they took drugs
    together.

    I dont care how good he was at football, he is one bitter and twisted person.

  33. RBG dead.

    The Republican ‘project’ is now complete. 6 conservative judges on the Supreme Court will block every progressive legislative reform for the next 30 years.

    Tell me again, why the 2016 presidential election was a ‘same-same’ race that really didn’t matter? In truth, it was the defining example of the evil faux left combining with the alternative right to put an end to the enlightenment.

  34. After his Gas announcement during the week. Will Scomo be promoting the government’s technology investment in CD Rom or their Arts package purchasing film?

  35. have a great day, Socrates. btw, the topic today is more about “great moral challenge labelling”, less about “gas”. oh, and k. murphy has been promoted from “greenite” to “sage”, something to do with her saying what some denizens here like to hear. -cheers, a.v.

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