What’s next

Not much to report, except that a star is born in Tasmania (maybe), and Northern Territory’s election is looming ever closer.

A new thread is wanted, but for all that’s happening in the world right now, there is not a lot of Australian electoral news for me to hang one on right now – there are no polls this week, and there is nothing to report on the preselection front. However:

• Following former newsreader Jo Palmer’s apparent success in gaining the Launceston region state upper house seat of Rosevears (corresponding with the western end of Bass) for the Liberals at Saturday’s elections, The Mercury reports “political watchers in Canberra are now tracking Ms Palmer’s campaign with interest, with some considering how they could lure their likely new star MP to Canberra”. Both of the elections on Saturday appear to have resulted in seats passing from independents to the major parties, with Palmer taking a vacant seat and Labor’s Bastian Seidel unseating Robert Armstrong in Huon at the southern edge of Hobart (part of the federal and state lower house division of Franklin). This would leave the chamber with five Labor members, three Liberals and seven independents – the first time in its history that the chamber has not had an independent majority.

• I have had too little to say about the Northern Territory election, which will be held in three Saturdays’ time. This will come to an end when I publish my comprehensive guide to the election, which I will hopefully do later today.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

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  2. Van Diemen ? How about a minister ? Just what has to happen in Victoria for a minister to be sacked (other than being recorded trash talking and being inconvenient?)

  3. Rh
    Yes, i thought as much. I suspect a certain professor of public health is about to take the fall for Ruby Princess – your thoughts?

  4. Lars Von Trier @ #2199 Saturday, August 8th, 2020 – 9:46 pm

    C@tmomma says:
    Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 9:22 pm
    _____________________
    C@t you do know Behrouz condemned KK as a hypocrite? Not a good choice of example

    He may well have done, I’m sure you wouldn’t say it if it weren’t true, however, one aspect of that comment may have been that he was bitter after all the years of incarceration and lashed out at an easy target. Without complete context I couldn’t draw a conclusion that wasn’t mere speculation. I do know that KK came along long after BB was incarcerated on Manus Island. So, why her?

  5. LVT,

    Well, I note Hazzard hasn’t been sacked so your point doesn’t really stand. I’d personally expect resignations for the kinds of things happening in the UK (fudging figures, stopping contact tracing, giving mixed messages, deliberately putting covid positive patients into aged care, botching home testing) or say in several US states where they’re pushing for health officials to falsify figures to make them look better.

  8. Victoria,

    You expect some level of hypocrisy – it’s par for the course in politics and political commentary (my favourite at present is conservatives objecting to “cancel culture”, as if they haven’t been running campaigns against people, public figures or not, who don’t subscribe to their particular orthodoxy since the beginning of time).

    It just confounds me how low quality some of it is (discovered Sophie Elsworth today… yikes).

  10. ‘Michael’ has adopted right wing views on a pretty consistent basis would say. So, I am not buying Nath’s “oh I just used it to troll Cankmomma” defense.

  11. Neoliberals have all but cancelled the New Deal. Conservatives have all but erased Australia as an egalitarian society. They have just about cancelled Public Services and farmed them out to the financial exploiters. And they have the hide to complain about ‘Cancel Culture’!?! It’s just their latest bogeyman slogan. Hypocritically covering for their own behaviour via distraction and ‘look over there at the Left!’.

  12. Bugler

    Sophie Elsworth had this to say t0day.
    Tells y0u everything you need to know.

    …

    Sophie Elsworth
    @sophieelsworth
    · 11h
    Mandatory masks in Melbourne were meant to be our stage 4. Face with medical mask

    They’ve been compulsory for more than two weeks now. Another 466 cases today.

    Shouldn’t the numbers be noticeably falling by now if they were the answer? Flushed faceFace with medical maskThinking face #COVID19Vic

  13. Victoria,

    There was one question at the press conference today asking whether something was undermining public trust in the health response and it struck me as being asked without the least bit of self-reflection or irony.

    But I think it’s also fair to say that there were people who overreacted to the perceived attacks on Andrews and made it personal against journalists be abusive which is always disappointing.

  15. Bugler

    I dont believe that people overreacted.
    This blogger posits it very well……….

    It was NOT the time or place on the first day of a second lock down to monopolise and tag team the Premier about an issue that was just not particularly imperative on that particular day.

    The Victorian lock down happened quickly. There was much confusion over who is an essential worker and can still go to work, who isn’t, what you are allowed to leave home for and many other issues, not all settled nor set in stone due the complicated nature of a lockdown and the speed at which it was applied.

    Every person and business is different, with different needs, concerns, anger and anxieties. What they all have in common though is that most HAVE information needs, concerns, anxieties you name it and only solid information can help to alleviate that uncertainty to some degree at least.

    You can’t expect journalists to anticipate every piece of information the public need to hear in a state of emergency as Victoria is experiencing, but you can sure as hell try to at least garner the top ten pieces of information off the Premier, Health staff etc., to inform the reading/viewing public.

  18. I don’t know why, but I can’t help but feel that this site has been administered a strong dose of Combatrim this evening.

  21. Combatrim?
    Quickly popping back in.
    Nothing has changed.
    The usual culprits are still around.
    My thoughts?
    Who cares.
    The Naths or whomever can put out their thoughts, and we can rebut them.
    Not hard!
    Stay strong everyone, whatever your cause may be.

  22. A new day dawns in a state unashamedly owned by LNP donors, the pubs, clubs and casinos in NSW.
    From the SMH

    Federal Deputy Chief Medical Officer Nick Coatsworth yesterday implored young people to “pull back” on socialising, saying pub crawls were not “the right thing to do” in a pandemic.

    The NSW government is under pressure from the pub lobby not to impose more restrictions. The Australian Hotels Association’s NSW director John Green said it was vital to “keep the economy ticking along” and hotels were already operating at a quarter of capacity with very low turnover.

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/no-appetite-to-cap-venue-visits-as-deputy-cmo-says-pub-crawls-must-end-20200807-p55jl2.html

    Cases of unknown origin are popping up across Sydney, even in the hallowed ground of Cherrybrook in the North West, but Brad refuses to recognise the hazard ( sorry, couldn’t resist).

    Mr Hazzard told The Sun-Herald NSW was doing “fairly well” and he wanted to “certainly move toward elimination” of COVID-19 in the state, but “the jury’s out” on whether that is possible.

  23. Good morning Dawn Patrollers

    Crispin Hull outlines the self-evident problems that the pandemic has exposed and how we got there. He concludes this MUST READ contribution with, “In short, tumultuous events require self-examination and change. This crisis should not be wasted with a return to business as usual.”
    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6868181/balance-of-power-covid-19-must-be-a-catalyst-for-political-change/?cs=14258
    Australia will take a long time to recover from this recession. Don’t believe otherwise declares Greg Jericho.
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/commentisfree/2020/aug/09/australia-will-take-a-long-time-to-recover-from-this-recession-dont-believe-otherwise
    Michael Koziol (I haven/t seen him for a while writes that federal Deputy Chief Medical Officer Nick Coatsworth has begged young people in NSW to “pull back” on their socialising, saying bar-hopping was not “the right thing to do” in a pandemic.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/no-appetite-to-cap-venue-visits-as-deputy-cmo-says-pub-crawls-must-end-20200807-p55jl2.html
    And he tells us how NSW, caught in the middle, is reconsidering how to live with the virus.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/caught-in-the-middle-nsw-reconsiders-how-to-live-with-the-virus-20200804-p55ie3.html
    Now Frydenberg has ramped up the attack on Dan Andrews and hotel quarantine failures.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/treasurer-ramps-up-attack-on-victorian-hotel-quarantine-amid-social-inclusion-revelations-20200808-p55jvd.html
    Victoria’s second wave of COVID-19 will turn the corner and lower in the next week, the expert behind government modelling says, if Victorians ‘keep their foot on the accelerator’.
    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/right-direction-victoria-appears-past-peak-of-second-wave-experts-say-20200808-p55jvf.html
    Asher Wolf simply cannot believe the effort of DSS Secretary Kathryn Campbell at the recent Senate committee inquiry. He concludes with, “This kind of testimony before Parliament is a blight upon the Australian Public Service and ensures our democratic process remains nothing but bullshit theatre.”
    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6868054/public-service-pantomime-dss-secretarys-robodebt-denial-defies-belief/?cs=14350
    Critical infrastructure including roads, electricity and telecommunications will be fast-tracked across Sydney, reports Alexandra Smith.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/roads-water-and-electricity-sydney-builds-its-way-through-covid-19-crash-20200808-p55jv3.html
    According to Fergus Hunter and Eryk Bagshaw, federal MPs are pushing to ramp up parliamentary scrutiny of Chinese Communist Party influence at Australian universities as concerns grow about the sector’s reliance on revenue from Chinese students and research partnerships.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/go-for-the-whole-hog-mps-push-for-parliamentary-probe-of-ccp-influence-at-universities-20200807-p55jnk.html
    Jacqui Maley writes that a reprieve from political partisanship has been one of the few blessings of this horrible year as she bags Andrews. But it shouldn’t come at the expense of political accountability she says.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/accountability-in-a-pandemic-why-aren-t-more-people-mad-at-dan-andrews-20200807-p55jnn.html
    Paul Karp reports that Gladys Berejiklian has rebuffed calls to extend the Ruby Princess inquiry to hear from federal officials who have refused to appear, as Labor accuses Scott Morrison of breaching a promise of full cooperation.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/aug/09/ruby-princess-gladys-berejiklian-refuses-calls-to-extend-inquiry-to-hear-from-official-who-refused-to-appear
    Julie Szego talks about these dark days for Australia’s universities.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/these-are-dark-days-for-australia-s-universities-20200807-p55jir.html
    Beyond Blue is pushing for a system of mental health coaches to be rolled out nationally to address the nation’s unprecedented social crisis under the COVID-19 pandemic. Wendy Touhy describes the “low intensity” mental health support is being proposed to help up to 450,000 people identified by the Productivity Commission as those who could benefit from the treatment.
    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/push-for-coaches-to-help-relieve-mental-health-crisis-20200808-p55jv6.html
    And Celina Ribeiro tells us abut the effect the lockdowns are having on the mental health of children.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/08/the-grounds-been-ripped-from-under-them-mental-health-fears-for-the-children-of-the-pandemic
    An important freedom of information ruling from the information commissioner involving the CSIRO has set a new bar on when the public service can withhold documents detailing internal deliberations if they concern matters of public importance says Anne Davies.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/aug/09/new-foi-ruling-orders-disclosure-of-csiro-internal-documents-on-its-response-to-murray-darling-criticisms
    Patrick Hatch goes into a lot of detail about the examination of the probity of Crown Resorts.
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/it-would-be-unthinkable-crown-resorts-credibility-in-the-crosshairs-20200806-p55j7x.html
    Tony Abbott’s former seat of Warringah has become the epicentre of a stunning Liberal Party factional preselection battle says Michael Koziol. Quite a bit of funny business he reckons.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/completely-made-up-factional-tricks-in-liberal-preselection-battle-for-warringah-20200807-p55jo3.html
    A former US Republican political operative and senior policy adviser to the NSW Treasurer was part of a trade delegation to the US while he was on the payroll of icare, report Adele Ferguson and Lisa Visentin.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/perrottet-s-icare-staffer-joined-us-trade-trip-20200807-p55jp6.html
    Ethicist Dr Simon Longstaff examines the job Perrottet has done with iCare and the minister comes up quite short.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/a-superb-job-with-icare-no-minister-20200807-p55jku.html
    Peter FitzSimons heaps praise on to Jonathan Swan aver his epic interview with Trump.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/like-father-like-son-swans-ask-questions-we-all-want-answered-20200807-p55jnv.html
    The delays in elective surgeries due to the pandemic, while necessary, have been difficult to deal with for those suffering, writes Alyce Sala Tenna.
    https://independentaustralia.net/life/life-display/the-personal-impact-of-the-elective-surgery-backlog,14182
    Countries around the world are tentatively reopening their borders to tourists, raising questions about how we can journey overseas in the COVID-19 era, writes Cait Kelly.
    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2020/08/08/international-travel-coronavirus/
    Queensland churchgoers of all faiths overwhelmingly support the introduction of voluntary assisted dying laws, new research commissioned by euthanasia advocates shows. So why is the LNP so against it?
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/aug/08/most-queensland-churchgoers-say-they-support-voluntary-assisted-dying
    A tug-of-war over the legacy of Labor prime minister Bob Hawke is brewing as Australia’s election umpire prepares to name a federal electorate in his honour, writes Anthony Galloway.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/states-fight-it-out-for-seat-named-in-honour-of-bob-hawke-20200807-p55jn0.html
    Australia’s military spending now eclipses foreign aid by more than 10 to one. And the gap is set to grow says Matt Wade. His chart says it all.
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/guns-v-giving-the-trend-that-says-everything-about-our-priorities-20200807-p55jpg.html
    Pressure is building on Australia despite delay to international climate talks writes Mike Foley.
    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/pressure-builds-on-australia-despite-delay-to-international-climate-talks-20200807-p55jgu.html
    Matthew Knott explains the resurgence of “Never Trumpism” and the efforts of The Lincoln Group.
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/once-on-life-support-never-trump-republicans-enjoy-a-resurgence-20200807-p55jdt.html
    President Trump is confident of another win at the next election, but polls show it could be time for him to consider a career change, writes Dr Lee Duffield who wonders what will happen if he does lose.
    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/what-happens-if-donald-trump-gets-beaten-in-november,14183
    Yes!!! “Spitting Image” is making a return.
    https://thenewdaily.com.au/entertainment/2020/08/07/spitting-image-return/
    This guy Abbott has a lot to answer for – including his nomination for “Arsehole of the Week”.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/the-whole-thing-is-so-wrong-knox-and-manly-corso-caught-in-builder-s-collapse-20200808-p55jv2.html

    Cartoon Corner

    David Rowe

    Mark Knight

    Reg Lynch

    Matt Davidson

    Peter Broelman

    Jim Pavlidis

    Matt Golding

    From the US





  24. NSW inspectors are rigorously enforcing rules in pubs and clubs, handing out fines to the recalcitrant (which they no doubt take seriously, and pay out of the till).

    NSW authorities have vowed to clamp down on social distancing breaches, and today announced they had handed out $5,000 fines to a pair of Sydney hotels.

    Liquor and Gaming NSW said its inspectors visited the Unity Hall Hotel in Balmain and The Eastern Hotel in Bondi Junction on Wednesday and found several breaches.

    The agency’s director of compliance, Dimitri Argeres, said inspectors found Unity Hall had an out-of-date safety plan, failed to detail the time of entry of patrons, and did not digitise those records within 24 hours.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-08/nsw-health-record-nine-coronavirus-cases/12536908

    Bbbut, well, Vic Hotel quarantine breaches, …..
    …….DAN!

    (And many thanks, BK. Your Dawn Patrol links are always appreciated)
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/treasurer-ramps-up-attack-on-victorian-hotel-quarantine-amid-social-inclusion-revelations-20200808-p55jvd.html

  26. Just had to post this.

    @maureenchuck1
    ·
    21h
    Why is it that @StephenKing always attracts these Dunning Kruger dickheads who don’t have the wit to get the joke?

  27. The NSW government is under pressure from the pub lobby not to impose more restrictions. The Australian Hotels Association’s NSW director John Green said it was vital to “keep the economy ticking along” and hotels were already operating at a quarter of capacity with very low turnover.

    I bet that name, John Green, turns up in a Liberal Party seat in parliament eventually.

    And don’t you just love the way he brackets ‘the economy’ around clubs and pubs but doesn’t seem to care much about the rest of it?

    He doesn’t seem to care much about the virus continuing to ‘tick along’ either, as that’s what his selfish attitude will enable.

    And I can confirm that crowding of our local hotel is going on. I had to go into the main bar from the restaurant the other day to report someone who had parked me in. Zero social distancing. Packed with the Tradie set watching the rugby league on the big screen TV. Just as well there were no inspectors around.

  28. Morning all and thanks BK. Depressing reading from Greg Jericho, although it’d be good to see state by state recovery efforts.

    And WTF with NSW learning to live with coronavirus? Has the state given up because it’s all too hard? It seems that there are at least some residents who understand the importance of avoiding public places and keeping themselves at home as much as they can, but I sense unless NSW locks down again it will find itself going the way of Victoria.

  29. ‘fess,
    It’s not that it’s too hard for NSW, what it is is that the NSW State Coalition government is well and truly in the pocket of the AHA. The former head of the AHA in NSW is our Police Minister!

  30. Crispin Hull sure does get it bang to rights:

    Publicly owned enterprises set standards against which private corporations are judged. This is why business advocate cuts to, or even the abolition of, the ABC. Without the ABC, commercial broadcasters would not even have to pretend to run half-way decent news services.

    The mission of media organisations should be to provide fearless news of consequence. Without the ABC showing by example, commercial broadcasters, instead of speaking truth to power will speak lies to the powerless.

  31. Also with this analysis:

    So what went wrong? It happened in several stages. In the first, governments withdrew from many areas and allowed the private sector (especially corporations) in. Governments trusted corporations to deliver efficiency and value through privatisation and out-sourcing.

    The trust was utterly misplaced. The misplaced trust came in the form of deregulation and self-regulation.

    If a corporation has the choice of doing the right or the wrong thing, it will always choose whatever makes the most profit.

    With labour-market deregulation corporations stripped away job security, sick pay and holiday leave, replacing them with contracts.

    The next stage came when consumers of what hitherto had been public services and public utilities or well-regulated businesses were one way or another cheated by the corporations so they blamed “the system” – government and institutions as well as corporations.

    The process was completed when corporations cemented their position by infusing themselves into the political process through donations to political parties; behind-the-scenes lobbying; and self-serving misleading advertising directly to voters.

    The promise in the 1990s was greater economic efficiency which would benefit all. We now know that the benefits were not shared.

  32. C@t:

    Yes it’s a damning reflection on the closeness of the thrall in which the NSW govt is to the clubs, pubs and pokies industries.

  33. This is an excellent analysis of Melbourne’s pandemic susceptibilities, comparing rates of social disadvantage and active covid rates.

    Thanks Lizzie. That Age article shows clearly why Morrison will not, under any circumstances, make paid pandemic leave workable .
    Companies like Spotless would hate it.
    Do we need further proof that we live in a fascist country?
    ( fascism, by definition, involves dominance of corporate interests over those of society)

  34. Maude Lynne

    And Industry won’t change.

    The Australian Industry Group’s Innes Willox says it’s a “myth” that insecure work is rising, adding that many people are happy to work in casual or part-time jobs as the flexibility suits them.

    And it’s true that by some measures of insecure work it is relatively stable, though the extent of that remains hotly disputed by unions and employer groups. But it has stabilised at a much higher level than in the past.

    In 1984, casual work made up about 15 per cent of the workforce in Australia. Now there are 650,000 Victorians who work without paid leave, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics, a slightly lower proportion of the workforce than Australia as a whole, where 24.3 per cent are without paid leave. Australia has among the highest levels of non-full time work in the OECD.

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/a-city-divided-covid-19-finds-a-weakness-in-melbourne-s-social-fault-lines-20200807-p55ji2.html

  35. From Wisconsin, a key state in this year’s election. We’ve all see this kind of thing before.

    Two weeks ago, as The Post reported, local Democrats began placing dozens of campaign signs for Joe Biden around the county — a visual show of support in a region where the rural highways are dotted with Trump flags and signs even as many residents remain deeply divided over the president. The Post story, which included photos of Democrats planting Biden yard signs in the village of Stockholm, was widely circulated by local residents on social media, according to Bruce Johnson, the local Democratic Party co-chair.

    On Saturday morning, Johnson awoke to word that almost all of the new campaign signs he and other Democrats had placed in the county had been stolen. “We’ll replace them of course, but that’s the state of the campaign in our pivot county,” Johnson said.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2020/08/08/trump-biden-live-updates/?hpid=hp_politics1-8-12_electionluf%3Aprime-time%2Fpromo#link-Y5GU35TGDZH4RPDIISG4JMQLNU

  36. Confessions @ #2232 Sunday, August 9th, 2020 – 7:44 am

    C@t:

    Yes it’s a damning reflection on the closeness of the thrall in which the NSW govt is to the clubs, pubs and pokies industries.

    And here’s the head of the AHA in NSW giving his expert medical opinion and riding instructions to the NSW Coalition government:

    Mr Green said it would be difficult to enforce a limit on venue visits and argued the current caseload in NSW appeared to be manageable without a need for more restrictions.

  38. Karma! This was one of the first people pardoned by Trump after he was charged with contempt of court. People like him have no business being in positions of authority.

    Former Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio, known nationally for his militant stance on illegal immigration, lost in a Republican primary to reclaim the Maricopa County law enforcement office.

    The election was Tuesday, but the results weren’t finalized until Saturday morning.

    The loss is Arpaio’s third since 2016, when he failed to win reelection, in part due to an aggressive grass-roots campaign against him by Latino activists. In 2018, he ran unsuccessfully in a GOP primary for Senate.

    Arpaio, a devout Trump ally, was responsible for enforcing the most far-reaching anti-illegal immigration law in the country, which allowed police to ask people for their immigration papers even in a routine traffic stop, which led to the racial profiling of Latinos.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2020/08/08/trump-biden-live-updates/?hpid=hp_politics1-8-12_electionluf%3Aprime-time%2Fpromo#link-Y5GU35TGDZH4RPDIISG4JMQLNU

  39. C@t,
    The only word missing from Crispin Hull’s analysis is ‘fascism’
    We need the label to give us an easy way to rally the people to stand against allowing corporate interests to rule us .
    Trump has already recognised he must try and link anti- fascism (Antifa) with Terrorism.
    We need to seize back control of the word before Morrison does the same.

  40. C@t:

    Thankfully WA’s successful coronavirus response has meant we haven’t heard from our hotels representative Bradley Whoeverheis in forever. In fact I can’t even remember seeing him during the height of the lockdown back in April.

  41. The Australian government has generously donated $2 million to Lebanon. Meanwhile they’ve spent over $80 million locking up a family on Christmas Island.
    Very Scott Morrison.

  42. “I know for a fact that briefing from senior figures in the govt is encouraging journalists to criticize Premier Andrews…” – Malcolm Farr

    But the criticism wasn’t strong enough and many Victorians defended Andrews, so Morrison sent Josh out to stoke the fire.

  43. Some may consider those of the pub crawl fraternity as simply of the “boofhead” variety.

    Not so, these youthful folk having a go are obviously cosmologists pursued by the black dog of despair and as such would greatly benefit from anxiety coaching.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/04/books/review/the-end-of-everything-katie-mack.html

    THE END OF EVERYTHING
    (Astrophysically Speaking)
    By Katie Mack

    Not to give anything away, but “in about five billion years, the sun will swell to its red giant phase, engulf the orbit of Mercury and perhaps Venus, and leave the Earth a charred, lifeless, magma-covered rock.”

    So there you have it, dear friends and neighbours. The end is nigh, seek ye etc …..

    Albert Einstein’s famous thought experiments involved riding on a beam of light ..

    While there, Einstein tried to picture what it would be like to travel so fast that you caught up with a light beam. If he rode alongside it, he later wrote, “I should observe such a beam of light as an electromagnetic field at rest.” In other words, the wave would seem stationary.Nov 1, 2015

    Therefore exceeding the speed of light would simply require turning on your high powered flashlight et voila.

  46. Thanks for that, ‘fess. 🙂

    I’m just listening to the latest ‘New Abnormal’. Wow! Florida’s state Republican government!

  47. Stealing signs in the US is not only trespass and petty theft but a denial of a Constitutional right (1st amendment) as per SCOTUS in the 1990’s (a red state tried to force a lady to take down an anti war sign).

    Theft happens by both Dems and Republicans. Rather hypocritical of the Law’n’order and Constitutional rights chest beating trumpistas tho.

    In Trump counties it will be interesting to see what local sheriffs do.

  48. They’re not very bright, are they. And these are “senior Liberals”?

    @MsRebeccaRobins
    · 20h
    Senior Liberals writing up Questions for MSM to throw at Dan Andrews. They slipped up – the questions have appeared on MP’s accounts on Twitter before being asked by the MSM and asked word for word

  49. C@t:

    DeSantis is a Trumpist ideologue so it’s no wonder the state’s coronavirus response has featured attempts at covering up the truth!

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