Nothing succeeds like secession

A new poll finds a certain amount of support for Western Australia to go it alone, as the Federal Court finds facts in Clive Palmer’s constitutional challenge against the state’s border closures.

The West Australian has a poll today from Painted Dog Research showing 34% out of 837 respondents from the state favour secession for Western Australia. However, the utility of this finding is limited by the report’s failure to offer any insight as to how many of the other 66% were actively opposed and how many uncommitted, if indeed the latter was provided as an option. The poll also finds “close to three-quarters” think the federal government has put the needs of the eastern states ahead of Western Australia during the pandemic. I wouldn’t normally consider such a poll front page news, but it’s past time for a new general discussion thread, so here it is.

There is also the following:

• Since Tuesday’s post from Adrian Beaumont on the extraordinary finding of a Reid Research poll of voting intention in New Zealand, the other regular pollster in the country, Colmar Brunton, has produced a somewhat more modest result: Labour 53%, National 32%, Greens 5%, ACT New Zealand 4.8% and New Zealand First 2%. It also finds Jacinda Ardern with a 54-20 lead over the new National leader, Judith Collins, as preferred prime minister. There’s an interesting discussion on polling in the country, the record of which is apparently very good, on Radio New Zealand’s The Detail program.

• As noted in my popular dedicated post on the subject, elections will be held today for two seats in Tasmania’s Legislative Council. One of these at least, for the Launceston region seat of Rosevears, includes both Liberal and Labor candidates, and might be seen as some sort of barometer for the state’s new-ish Premier, Peter Gutwein, who has been recording exceptionally strong poll ratings amid the COVID-19 crisis. Live coverage of the count will, as ever, commence here at 6pm.

Author: William Bowe

William Bowe is a Perth-based election analyst and occasional teacher of political science. His blog, The Poll Bludger, has existed in one form or another since 2004, and is one of the most heavily trafficked websites on Australian politics.

1,961 comments on “Nothing succeeds like secession”

  1. Taylormade says:
    Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 7:07 pm

    I wonder if the unelected union officals who made the call on rejecting the 850 ADF personnel will be hauled before the quarantine inquiry. Why they were involved in the decision making process i have no idea.
    _____
    From what I understand the government initially wanted the Police to handle quarantine in Melbourne but the Police, or was it the Police Union or both? Strongly objected. This led the government down the security guard path.

    The inquiry also needs to look into this. I will be surprised if it does though. The terms of reference seem to be a little vague about looking into the origins of the decision. It seems like it could just focus on the actions of the security companies and government agencies AFTER the decision was made. Which won’t tell us the whole story.

  2. With respect to Bill’s comment on Cash, I think the comment humorous. It says a lot about Bill.

    And nath’s knee jerk reaction says a lot about nath.

    Interesting.

  3. Earlier discussion on just key stroking money into existence, if you are the currency issuer.

    I’m intrigued as to what happens in the balance sheet? Cash at bank just grows organically? And liabilities? Just ignore those pesky bond issuing requirements.

    And cash flow – we have revenue, various types of taxes and fees, and what is this line in the income statement? Currency increase – checks the footnotes – oh, we just created an extra $500b by typing it in.

    So I imagine from this that MMT involves tossing AAS in the bin.

  4. Its always intrigued me how many Labor hacks when you scratch under the surface are just unreconstructed neoclassicists.

    There is a clear disconnect between the rhetoric and the actual belief.

    Deficit fetishism is the love Labor dare not name!

  5. Lars Von Trier @ #285 Saturday, August 1st, 2020 – 7:52 pm

    Its always intrigued me how many Labor hacks when you scratch under the surface are just unreconstructed neoclassicists.

    There is a clear disconnect between the rhetoric and the actual belief.

    Deficit fetishism is the love Labor dare not name!

    It’s Pizza with word salad at your house tonight!


  6. Mexicanbeemer says:
    Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 5:30 pm

    Frednk
    The government has a number of tools for raising revenue and for influencing the economy which is why government should keep those tools available.

    Agreed, seems to be a great way to remove funds from the economy; something to do when it is overheated.

  7. Interesting Lars, that Noel does not mention the situation that Federal workers are not allowed to respond to a request to present to the NSW inquiry. The same for the SA inquiry on water rights. It shall be interesting to see if it shall be the same for this inquiry in Victoria.

    Is there a transparency index or does it just feed into the corruption index?

  8. Lars.
    Ruby Princess inquiry questioned its 1st witness 7 days after set up.
    For Victoria’s quarantine inquiry it will be 40 days after set up.
    Telling ! It says so much.


  9. Lars Von Trier says:
    Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 7:52 pm

    Its always intrigued me how many Labor hacks when you scratch under the surface are just unreconstructed neoclassicists.

    There is a clear disconnect between the rhetoric and the actual belief.

    Deficit fetishism is the love Labor dare not name!

    And tanking the economy seems to be a Liberal talking point, clearly as the Liberals doubled the deficit before corona they talk the talk but don’t walk the walk. Penny pinching the poor does not alter the current account balance much one way or the other.

    That is nothing however, in pushing for the economy to be opened up before the virus was completely under control and the borders sealed they have pissed 60 billion down the drain. We have nothing to show for that.

    The trouble with the Liberals is they really are bloody poor economic managers. Cent wise dollar foolish.

  10. Taylormade says:
    Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 8:09 pm

    Lars.
    Ruby Princess inquiry questioned its 1st witness 7 days after set up.
    For Victoria’s quarantine inquiry it will be 40 days after set up.
    Telling ! It says so much.

    And Morrison has not allowed federal officials to appear, that tells you even more.

  11. Lars Von Trier @ #310 Saturday, August 1st, 2020 – 7:52 pm

    Its always intrigued me how many Labor hacks when you scratch under the surface are just unreconstructed neoclassicists.

    There is a clear disconnect between the rhetoric and the actual belief.

    Deficit fetishism is the love Labor dare not name!

    What do you even mean!?!

    Actually, don’t answer, you’re just trying to be provocative with half-baked memes.

  12. Lars Von Trier @ #320 Saturday, August 1st, 2020 – 8:14 pm

    Hi C@t how are you tonight?

    In a much better place than you it seems. Do you need to carry on with all the sort of stuff you have been, we know it’s just a bundle of goods that are no longer fashionable and just a tad tawdry to look at. You’re capable of much more thoughtful contributions.

  13. C@tmomma says:
    Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 8:29 pm
    Lars Von Trier @ #322 Saturday, August 1st, 2020 – 8:24 pm

    Thanks C@t. I am an eternal optimist – better days are ahead.
    I know that the world is placing undue burdens upon us all right now but I learned from you that I can be better than lashing out in all directions. Now I am loving life. Thank you.
    ______________________________________________________
    Good for you C@t, that’s a really nice post.


  14. Taylormade says:
    Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 8:25 pm

    Frednk
    Thank christ you dont work in Andrews spin dept. They are going to need something a hundred times better than that.

    Taylormade do you really think Morrison is going to able to avoid his responsibilities. To much smarmy behavior trying to undo the efforts of the premiers in my view. We already have Tim Smith deleting tweets, sad the internet has a long memory hay.

  15. Remember when GBerejikilian made the announcement together with the Hotels Assocation rep a few weeks ago about further restrictions in pubs and clubs.
    Turns out that the advice of the CHO was that they actually be shut down all together, but as the state NSW govt has the ear of the hotel lobby, that advice was overridden.

  16. C@tmomma @ #683 Saturday, August 1st, 2020 – 6:02 pm

    Zerlo @ #265 Saturday, August 1st, 2020 – 5:43 pm

    MeidasTouch.com
    @MeidasTouch
    Level 1:
    Oh my god. The comments on Trump’s Facebook ads are devasating. None of his supporters can afford to donate to him because they lost their jobs in the Trump Depression.
    4:42 PM · Aug 1, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

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    That photo of Trump reminds me of those people in America who used to drink a solution containing Mercury was it? and over the years they ended up with skin that had a metallic glow to it.

    Silver – usually “colloidal”. It’s called argyria .

  17. Cat

    On the tech companies

    Are they too powerful?

    Absolutely

    It’s why we need good antitrust law. It’s why it good the government is legislating competitive money out of the tech sector companies in Australia.

    Hopefully the competition legislation to combat monopolies wins. The EU has been in the forefront of this battle.

    We have to recognise Google and Amazon are utilities. Just like with gas electricity etc we need more competition as a basic starting place.

    I think those Congressional hearings boosted Elisabeth Warrens role in the future Biden cabinet. Maybe not VP but she will be there.

  18. Shellbell,

    If they were involved in what is being investigated (as Border Force obviosly were) it would definitely be helpful that that did.

  19. Catprog, Woolworth/Coles are subject to new entrants into the market. Aldi is the most noticeable, and Cosco is another.

    I believe Kaufmanns have been looking at entering, but I am not too sure where they are at.

  20. Shellbell
    “Is it usual practice or even precedented for commonwealth employees to appear before state inquiries?”
    If they are truth dodging Morrison “on water matters” sycophants they should be hauled before the highest court in the land.
    You’re not trying to protect the snivelers are you?

  21. Emerson Poll (rated A- by 538) has Biden with a shrinking 4 point lead 50-46.

    I wonder why Biden has delayed announcing his Veep pick by 1 week. Presumably there doing more polling on the pick.

  22. Walker SC and Beasley SC wanted federal public servants and documents for the SA water inquiry and as, I recall it, Peluzzo said that was against precedent or WTTE. High Court proceedings were commenced.

    In Ruby they accepted a written statement and submissions from the Cth which at the time of receipt Walker SC hinted they would not readily accept as to their persuasiveness.

  23. Shellbell,

    Not sure I understand what you mean. I see little point in either duplicating enquiries at the federal and state level, and indeed doing such would waste time in a rapidly moving situation.

    As the article you linked to before mentioned there is no level of Government that has handled things perfectly and the quicker you can isolate a problem and respond to it the better.

  24. Lars Von Trier @ #343 Saturday, August 1st, 2020 – 9:45 pm

    Emerson Poll (rated A- by 538) has Biden with a shrinking 4 point lead 50-46.

    I wonder why Biden has delayed announcing his Veep pick by 1 week. Presumably there doing more polling on the pick.

    Not really. The Democratic Convention is August 17 and Biden said he would announce a week to 10 days before that.

  25. BeTh – Well it was rated A- by fivethirtyeight – and Mason Dixon has been around for ever.

    But if opinion pieces make you feel better – be my guest.

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