Courtesy of The Australian, the first Newspoll in three weeks is consistent with the last in suggesting the coronavirus surge in approval for Scott Morrison in translating into only a modest dividend on voting intention, on which the two parties are now tied after the Coalition opened up a 51-49 lead last time. On the primary vote, the Coalition is down a point to 41%, Labor up two to 36%, the Greens down one to 12% and One Nation down one to 4%. Despite that, Scott Morrison has gained further on his huge approval rating boost in the last poll, up seven to 68% — a level not seen since Kevin Rudd reached 70% in late 2008 — while his disapproval rating is down seven to 28%. Anthony Albanese is respectively steady at 45% and down two to 34% (I assume — the report says 36%, but this would be unchanged on last time), and Morrison’s lead as preferred prime minister is now 56-28, out from 53-29. The poll was conducted Wednesday to Saturday from a sample of 1519.
poroti….preparing and exporting fisheries products….now completely gone…
shellbell
Once again, children do spread the virus to adults. You can hide behind “oh but its only a small number” but you miss the point that a small number is enough to re-seed outbreaks that are harder to trace precisely because they are children with milder/no symptoms.
Continually Insufferable
Thanks, export of food was something I would not have expected to suffer. Well not to that degree.
Continually Insufferable @ #498 Monday, April 27th, 2020 – 4:56 pm
Time to change careers? They say on average you have to do that 3 or 4 times in your working life. I never really believed that, thinking my professional qualifications would last my lifetime. I was wrong. I have now had significant career changes 4 times. The first 3 were because the industry I chose just died in Australia – twice due government incompetence, and once due to a global economic collapse (and government incompetence!). The last career change was by choice, because the industry I was in (largely on advice from others) turned out to be just too nasty to continue to work in.
I am now in the fortunate position that the current career will be my last, because even if it doesn’t recover, then I don’t really need to look for other work. I now work because I want to, not because I have to.
briefly,
Preposterous assertions with no proof except your own self-serving assumptions. You provide no empirical evidence nor links to prove your cock-eyed case and all you have instead is laughable trolling in order to assert your supremacy.
Lol.
Piss, or get off the pot, briefly. Definitively prove without a shadow of a doubt everything you have just asserted to be true and then I might believe you. Up until now when challenged all you have done is run away with your tail between your legs to go and lick your wounds, then pop back up again a month or so down the track making the exact same absurd assertions.
And some whacky tale about bats in a cave elsewhere in China won’t cut it either. I have already proven how that proves nothing.
Oh, and you forgot to include the recently uncovered cases of COVID-19 in California.
Hmm, I wonder what Qom, California and Lombardy have in common?
Now, if you’d like to actually read some carefully considered appraisals of the source of COVID-19, you could go here:
https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2020/03/26/genomic-research-points-to-natural-origin-of-covid-19/
Here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/wuhan-novel-coronavirus-background-information/wuhan-novel-coronavirus-epidemiology-virology-and-clinical-features
Or here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus_disease_2019
Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) is a novel severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus, first isolated from three people with pneumonia connected to the cluster of acute respiratory illness cases in Wuhan.[76]
76. “Outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2): increased transmission beyond China—fourth update” (PDF). European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control. 14 February 2020. Retrieved 8 March 2020.
All highly reputable sources and not one mention of Qom or Lombardy among them.
All this stuff about the app.
It’s simple. The LNP should have had parliament sitting. The UK has managed to have a virtual parliament. They have not exactly been a shining light on dealing with the virus. Why? Their emergency due to lost weeks required it.
The lack of trust has built over years and it’s no surprise some are exploiting that lack of trust. Germany has had the app for weeks but no problems. Why? Good privacy legislation brings trust with it.
Those outrageous extreme European’s having privacy as a right to be protected.
Chewer:
I think you’ll find that the restriction on information applies to information that identifies individuals personally, and that aggregates sufficient to estimate changes in the basic reproduction number within a postcode area are available. The aggregates avoid privacy issues by being formed from encrypted IDs (in the current app) or from client-generated keys (in the Apple-Google framework), neither of which contain visible information identifying the person (not that I particularly care about that as a breach of privacy)
To be clear, I think these aggregates should be available to inform government actions; if they are not it is yet another flaw in the App. This flaw results in harm in various ways as the government is denied good data on which to act.
What has happened is:
– they started with a flawed App that doesn’t work and does breach privacy to the extent of upsetting many people in the Liberal party and its fellow travellers (though it didn’t concern me)
– they have worked to reduce the privacy breaches but this has seemingly had the side-effect of further reducing the already poor quality of the data produced
It is possible that they know the aggregate data is bad and won’t try to use it, but there’s not much evidence they have any understanding that the data quality is the real problem (as opposed to “privacy”, which is mainly an internal problem within the Liberal and Country Parties)
Honestly, labelling someone a ‘Sinophobe’ simply because they correctly identified the origin of COVID-19 is laughable.
Sir Henry Parkes @ #412 Monday, April 27th, 2020 – 3:12 pm
Try not to be thick Henry.
And a sense of humour.
Mundo see the future.
You don’t.
Australia’s 3 longest serving Prime ministers (in order), not long now.
Morrison
Menzies
Howard.
Has a ring to it dontcha think
Peg
I fear this is another thread that COVID-19 is just accelerating. Before COVID-19 I was at my GP and they asked me what I though about the possibility of electromagnetic fields causing illness or brain damage.
Well, it is a big question – walk in from of a ships radar pumping out a lot of 13 cm radiation, and you can find all of you fried (or more correctly the water molecules within you will absorb the radiation and go to higher energy levels, vibrating faster and more energetically and generating heat). Which of course is how microwave ovens work. (n.b. I have still not had a satisfactory answer to who was the accidental human guinea pig who nobly tested this by getting burns by being too close to radar in WWII).
So, I gave a qualified answer, but when I heard more, I realised that some local patients had infected each other with the belief that 5G was controlling their brains, from a local transmission tower. Of course they were not even coherent enough to explain the actual conspiracy theory to the good doctor, but I had heard it by then and was able to help.
I guess at that stage I decided that spreading the rumour to protect K-band radioastronomy by preventing 5G uptake was a bad idea.
The first time I heard the theory I fell around laughing, but these things to take on a life of their own.
Another good example of this, but dating back to around 2010, is the South Pole Telescope (SPT). It was measuring the cosmic microwave background (CMB), looking for evidence of galaxy formation in the early universe. Unfortunately, you could not google to find the SPT website, to check the science they were doing, because someone had put out the rumour that the SPT was tracking a planet called “Nemesis” that was going to crash into the Earth in the near future. NASA was keeping it quiet to stop global panic.
So, web searches for SPT led to this conspiracy theory. I just tried a quick search “South Pole Telescope CMB” and did not get anything untoward, so I guess the herd have moved on.
Cud Chewer @ #502 Monday, April 27th, 2020 – 5:02 pm
And perhaps it’s only been a small number because every time there’s been an outbreak detected in a school the school has immediately been shut?
Not understanding what people calling for immediate mass school reopenings expect to happen. Kids aren’t immune, and they’re not exempt from infecting others. If the virus gets into a school, the school environment will help it spread. To the kids, to the teachers, and to whomever the kids go home to after school ends for the day.
Kind of like “free plague rat, anyone?”, and then a lot of people inexplicably go “yes, one for me please!”.
poroti @ #503 Monday, April 27th, 2020 – 3:04 pm
Here in Indonesia imported foods are becoming scarce.
Australian beef is out and many fruits and veggies are becoming rare and much more expensive.
I found some onions yesterday at $10/kg, which is a lot more than they were. The girl held the bag out very tentatively after weighing them, like she expected me to refuse them. They were the first I’d seen in weeks, so I took them none the less. 🙂
CC
Not hiding just linking the careful and considered opinions of experts in the area whose views you will plainly never accept, no matter what.
a r
Not to mention the fact that the Guardian article that shellbell linked to uncritically adopts the message from the NSW report. Despite the fact that the NSW report was based on data that was taken during a period where there were almost no kids actually at school.
“Not hiding just linking the careful and considered opinions of experts in the area whose views you will plainly never accept, no matter what.”
You mean like the expert opinion of the Victorian CHO?
https://twitter.com/VictorianCHO/status/1250297818939453445
“This is because having around a million children and their parents in closer contact with each other, teachers and other support staff has the potential to increase cases of coronavirus not just in schools but across the community. “
This graph, once popular here, is looking a bit tired.
https://coronavirusgraphs.com/?c=h&y=log&t=line&f=0&ct=5&co=
CC
[Despite the fact that the NSW report was based on data that was taken during a period where there were almost no kids actually at school.]
Reference please
C@tmomma says:
Monday, April 27, 2020 at 5:09 pm
briefly,
Preposterous assertions
I posted the link twice. It is a reputable academic study. Go and find it. You ranted more than once. You ventilate your prejudice. You have no credibility whatsoever, least of all with me. I am in no sense whatsoever answerable to such an obnoxious bludger as you.
This study – linked by you – does nothing to validate your ranting:
https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2020/03/26/genomic-research-points-to-natural-origin-of-covid-19/
From the next link you supplied:
3. Transmission
The source of the outbreak has yet to be determined. Preliminary investigations in China in January 2020 identified environmental samples positive for SARS-CoV-2 in Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan City, however, some laboratory-confirmed patients did not report visiting this market. A zoonotic source to the outbreak has not been identified yet, but investigations are ongoing.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/wuhan-novel-coronavirus-background-information/wuhan-novel-coronavirus-epidemiology-virology-and-clinical-features
This is SARS-like virus. There is an excellent account of the discovery of bat-to-human transmission occurring in 2015. The sample group was found in a remote part of China but is possibly linked to Wuhan. At the very least this is interesting.
But never mind. Continue to post links that undermine your claims. You’re Trumpy. Get used to it.
Barney in Tanjung Bunga
Wow !!! $10 a kilo . That would be ‘caviar’ prices in Indonesia. You must like onions 🙂
[Under NSW guidelines people can only leave the house for work, essential shopping, exercise, medical appointments and compassionate visits.]
If a store is open lawfully for trade in your area, how can this guideline as to essential shopping operate?
poroti @ #519 Monday, April 27th, 2020 – 3:24 pm
How much are they in Oz?
$3/kilo.
I am trying to take a photo of a document on my mobile camera that I can then email as proof of an account closure, so it has to be clear. I’m not skilled at this and having difficulty in getting a clear bright image. Can anyone give me some (simple) hints?
ar
You woz robbed 🙂
.
Coles Brown Onions PrepackedColes Brown Onions Prepacked 1kg
$ 1 .50
$1.50
1kg Unit Price$1.50 per 1Kg
https://shop.coles.com.au/a/fremantle/product/onions-brown-prepacked-4803991p
I’ve just received a response on the girl who missed out on a position – she apparently moved to Queensland and was successfully employed there. No further details given.
Lizzie
Use an external camera or buy a new phone 🙂
More seriously there should be a focus function on the camera app. That’s as far as I have got.
guytaur
Thanks a bunch. 😆
Hardly surprising, unfortunately.
Why do Governments have so many problems trying to work with the internet?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-27/sa-online-learning-learnlink-drops-out-on-first-day-of-term-two/12189476
Barney
https://www.askspoke.com/blog/it/reasons-for-it-project-failure/
Back in the 90s (when I last was involved in a major software project) it was accepted that about half of all major software projects failed to some extent. Things have picked up, a bit.
lizzie
use the focus. take a photo of the whole thing then take multiple photos of the document in sections for higher resolution. Keep in mind where the lens is on the phone when positioning your shots to avoid distortions.
You may be surprised how readable the overall photo turns out. If your eyes are like mine what you see on the screen looks crud but once you have taken the photo and zoom in it actually looks OK (assuming you have a phone with a good camera).
Simon Katich
Thanks. I’ve been having problems getting the whole A4 into the photo. I also get my own shadow on the flippin thing, which I’m sure the smart people don’t!
Further to tweet posted by lizzie:
Ch 10 news and PvO with “exclusive” revelation that Angus Taylor refused to answer NSW police questions and told police to send questions to his lawyer. This was despite him claiming he would fully cooperate.
This info was gleaned from police answers to a NSW parliamentary inquiry.
Sounds like what a mobster would do in the movies.
C@tmomma says:
Monday, April 27, 2020 at 5:12 pm
Honestly, labelling someone a ‘Sinophobe’ simply because they correctly identified the origin of COVID-19 is laughable.
1. You haven’t identified anything. You ranted about wet markets. Nothing is proven in that respect. Nothing. Consider – if wet markets were a likely vector for zoonotic disease transmission we’d likely see a lot more of it. There are hundreds of thousands – even millions- of wet markets. They are used by a billion people hundreds of times every year. There are problems with the handling and slaughter of animals in China. But this does not mean they are a sure and certain vector in this instance, no matter how much you might rave about it.
2. Your Sinophobia is to be found in your ranting about China…ranting in which you depict Chinese as dirty, untrustworthy, greedy, deceptive, diseased and – earlier today – as impliedly using a virus to further their geopolitical ambitions. This is so plainly prejudiced it barely calls for an explanation.
You’re Trumpy. Get used to it.
Continually Insufferable
The evidence points to a wet market as the likely source. The Chinese even say that is a possibility.
Former top public servant: I won’t download the coronavirus app
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/former-top-public-servant-i-won-t-download-the-coronavirus-app-20200427-p54nn9.html
ABC Afternoon News had an IT bod (sorry don’t know his name) who said not enough was known about the App to be confident yet, considering what had happened with previous government programs.
So they’ve balanced their coverage!
Shellbell
This is one of the ambiguities in NSW law that drives me crazy. I do not want to break the law, and I am careful with social distancing, but there is always the “When the Police stop me and I say I am going to Victoria’s Basement (kitchen supplies outlet near me) or Bunnings, (across the road from each other)” what do I say to convince them that my trip is essential?
OH laughs and says that we will not get pulled over, but I am not sure – it has happened to people I know, who have got off with a good talking too and a caution rather than a 2K fine. But, they have had their details taken, and are told that if they are found on an unnecessary trip again, that the fine will be automatic.
So why are the shops that NSW Police deem unnecessary open? Some clarity would really help.
That being said, I expect an easing of restrictions from around the 11th May. This will be permanent, unless 2 weeks later the exponential infection rate starts again – which unfortunately is possible.
But with the “Hammer and the Dance” strategy, it is time to start planning the “Dance”.
The “Hammer” is more successful that I could possibly have hoped.
Also the best of luck to your Yr 11 and 12 kids. As if Yr 12 is not stressful enough, CIVID-19 lobs in!!
On the S.A Learn/Link crash.
When the Bavarian Education Board, or whatever it is called there, closed schools in early March, it provided an IT platform for schools to use to upload lessons. It lasted less than 24 hours before it was hacked. Some students apparently decided they needed very little more in the way of IT lessons.
D&M I never liked the term “dance”.
It was predicated on the idea that you’d inevitably end up with some degree of infection. The best way to avoid another exponential growth is to avoid the “dance” entirely and have zero infections.
Far less stress that way. And far less danger.
“The “Hammer” is more successful that I could possibly have hoped.”
It wasn’t that surprising to me given that we had already seen what physically separating people from each other did in China.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/26/nudge-theory-is-a-poor-substitute-for-science-in-matters-of-life-or-death-coronavirus
citizen @ #534 Monday, April 27th, 2020 – 5:51 pm
Wait ’till Labor gets wind of this.
Taylor is toast!
Toast I tells ya!
I haven’t seen this but it bears out some peoples’ worries.
guytaur
If my memory serves me correctly, that theory that implementing a lockdown too soon may lead to people not conforming as tightly was used by Scomo and his sycophantic CMO at least once.
What actually happened is we delayed going into lockdown for weeks after it should have occurred. Had we gone earlier, we’d now be in the situation of Vietnam with zero cases and the ability to lift the lockdown sooner. The earlier it happens, the fewer cases, the shorter the lockdown – all else being equal.
I also detected a sense of “lets put this off because we might avoid lockdown entirely” in both Scomo and the CMO. That enraged me. And I was so happy the state Premiers finally took control.
I am also reading that some people want to download COVID-App, or are encouraging their elderly relatives to do so, because they think it will protect them from catching the virus.
There is obviously a desperate need to hold back on the sales pitch and provide more facts.
About “The App”……..I have doubts it will make much difference whether one has it or not. In itself, it seems to add nothing much to armoury of actions available to quell CV-19.
On the other hand, I don’t think, because of its voluntary nature, fears of the App being able to kind of expose us to evil forces are justified.
What worries me is the almost religious fervour the supporters/opponents of the App seem to be attacking one another here on PB and elsewhere.
A panacea it ‘aint but neither is it an attack from the dark motives of Big Brother….
Who will give a stuff a month or two from now?
“And ABC News is reporting a government claim that at 10 million downloads will be the trigger for *lifting* social restrictions. ”
Precisely what I was pointing to. The app being set up as a smokescreen and an excuse. Whilst avoiding doing things that might actually make things safer.
I assume it was the Labor members of the NSW parliamentary inquiry who got this information into the public domain by giving PvO his “exclusive”.
Tricot
The greatest danger with the app lies in it being used as a convenient excuse for Scomo to insist on lifting restrictions, pretending that the app itself makes us all safe. It also acts as a smokescreen, preventing journalists from asking questions about the things that actually matter – amplified testing, mask wearing etc.